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Post by moth on Sept 29, 2023 7:49:56 GMT
FOOTBALL ALL-STAR NOMINATIONS 2023
Goalkeepers – Shane Ryan (Kerry), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
Defenders – Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White (all Kerry); Michael Fitzsimons, Lee Gannon, Brian Howard (all Dublin); Gareth McKinless, Conor McCluskey, Eoin McEvoy (all Derry); Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone); Brendan McCole (Donegal); Conor McCarthy, Karl O’Connell (both Monaghan); Seán Kelly (Galway); Aidan Forker (Armagh); Brian Stack (Roscommon); Rory Maguire (Cork).
Midfielders – Brian Fenton, James McCarthy (both Dublin); Conor Glass, Brendan Rogers (both Derry); Diarmuid O’Connor (Kerry); Diarmuid O’Connor (Mayo).
Forwards – David Clifford, Seán O’Shea, Paudie Clifford (all Kerry); Cormac Costello, Con O’Callaghan, Colm Basquel, Paul Mannion (all Dublin); Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy (both Derry); Conor McManus (Monaghan); Darragh Canavan (Tyrone); Andrew Murnin (Armagh); Ronan O’Toole (Westmeath); Damien Comer (Galway); Jordan Flynn (Mayo); Ben McCormack (Kildare); Oisín Gallen (Donegal); Enda Smith (Roscommon).
Player Of The Year – Brian Fenton (Dublin), David Clifford (Kerry), Brendan Rogers (Derry).
Young Player Of The Year – Eoin McEvoy (Derry), Conor Carroll (Roscommon), Ethan Doherty (Derry)
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Post by homerj on Sept 29, 2023 8:15:27 GMT
we will get the token 4, that the losing finalists get.
2 backs, 2 forwards, though wouldnt be surprised to get 3 forwards
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 29, 2023 9:16:32 GMT
I would have given the POTY nomination to Shane McGuigan and would also have given him the prize.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 29, 2023 9:27:28 GMT
I have little time for the all stars and token gestures. the all stars have long been a farce.. I'll watch/read the first line, if Ryan gets an all star, and not being biased, his display against Mayo in Killarney as well as game changing saves and score vs Derry have him above Cluxton in my opinion, if Ryan gets the deserved gong well the selection committee have the heads screwed on, if the cuckoo gets it... well then the merits in my opinion are meaningless thereafter.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2023 13:22:49 GMT
Dublin will get 6 ; Fitzsimons, Gannon, Howard, Fenton, Mannion, Basquel.
Kerry: 4 - Ryan, Morley, Clifford’s X 2.
Derry: 3 - McCloskey, Rodgers & McGuigan
Galway : Kelly
Armagh: Murnin
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Post by orangerhyme on Sept 29, 2023 15:40:48 GMT
Dublin will get 6 ; Fitzsimons, Gannon, Howard, Fenton, Mannion, Basquel. Kerry: 4 - Ryan, Morley, Clifford’s X 2. Derry: 3 - McCloskey, Rodgers & McGuigan Galway : Kelly Armagh: Murnin Maybe Foley instead of Morley. The two Clifford's are shoe ins. Ryan strong chance also. |
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Post by homerj on Sept 29, 2023 16:38:18 GMT
Sean O Shea will get one. think Tom will too along with the 2 cliffords
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Post by dc84 on Sept 29, 2023 20:56:44 GMT
Dublin will get 6 ; Fitzsimons, Gannon, Howard, Fenton, Mannion, Basquel. Kerry: 4 - Ryan, Morley, Clifford’s X 2. Derry: 3 - McCloskey, Rodgers & McGuigan Galway : Kelly Armagh: Murnin I'd say cluxton would be in with a shout Mccarthy also |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2023 21:28:29 GMT
Dublin will get 6 ; Fitzsimons, Gannon, Howard, Fenton, Mannion, Basquel. Kerry: 4 - Ryan, Morley, Clifford’s X 2. Derry: 3 - McCloskey, Rodgers & McGuigan Galway : Kelly Armagh: Murnin I'd say cluxton would be in with a shout Mccarthy also Cluxton could very well get No 1, no doubt; McCarthy is nominated as a midfielder where he is opposed by Fenton & Rogers who are nailed on All Stars as they are 2 of the 3 nominees for POTY - can McCarthy then be included as a defender? Maybe! 🤔 |
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Post by john4 on Sept 29, 2023 21:47:32 GMT
I'd say cluxton would be in with a shout Mccarthy also Cluxton could very well get No 1, no doubt; McCarthy is nominated as a midfielder where he is opposed by Fenton & Rogers who are nailed on All Stars as they are 2 of the 3 nominees for POTY - can McCarthy then be included as a defender? Maybe! 🤔 It's universally accepted that McCarthy should have been sent off in this year's final. That undertone might work against him. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 30, 2023 9:38:27 GMT
Cluxton could very well get No 1, no doubt; McCarthy is nominated as a midfielder where he is opposed by Fenton & Rogers who are nailed on All Stars as they are 2 of the 3 nominees for POTY - can McCarthy then be included as a defender? Maybe! 🤔 It's universally accepted that McCarthy should have been sent off in this year's final. That undertone might work against him. Possibly but in reality McCarthy was not even Dublin’s best player this year - he had a good 2nd half vs Mayo, a good last quarter vs Monaghan & an average final. Regarding the All Stars, Graham O’Sullivan’s omission from the nominees is baffling. |
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 30, 2023 9:54:52 GMT
It's universally accepted that McCarthy should have been sent off in this year's final. That undertone might work against him. Possibly but in reality McCarthy was not even Dublin’s best player this year - he had a good 2nd half vs Mayo, a good last quarter vs Monaghan & an average final. Regarding the All Stars, Graham O’Sullivan’s omission from the nominees is baffling. Felt graham wasn’t as good as he was in 2022 |
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 30, 2023 9:59:02 GMT
I feel Brendan Rodger’s should win player of the year for pure consistency and domination across the championship… albeit he kicked some scores when we had our black card, he was brilliant for Derry all year.
I also genuinely don’t think David Clifford should get an all star.. I think like many he’s the greatest we’ve ever seen but this year he only performed against Derry if we’re being honest… he had a quite enough, subdued championship by his own standards. Sean o shea equally not great this year.
Paudie is nailed on. Jason foley I would say along with Shane Ryan although Cluxton may impact that too..Maybe Morley but probably will give it to McKinless from Derry.
Could very well only see 2 or 3.. DC will probably get it due to his reputation but probably doesn’t deserve one this year. Just my opinion.
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 30, 2023 11:59:26 GMT
David is an All Star and he was brilliant again 2023! Look at his scoring stats alone! www.finalwhistle.ie/gaelic/player/david-clifford/David and Paudie's performances against Clare given the circumstances was truly heroic and David again provided some of the most memorable moments of the entire year in 2023. To even suggest David Clifford is not an All Star in 2023 is not only insulting to the man but just goes to show ignorance. Just my opinion! |
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Post by veteran on Sept 30, 2023 12:01:36 GMT
The last time I posted here was in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final when I felt duty bound to defend David Clifford against an interloper who questioned his credentials. Coincidentally, I feel compelled to return now to once again defend David against a critical comment, albeit more respectfully articulated this time. David Clifford is not worthy of a 2023 All-Star? Other worldly displays against Clare, Cork, Mayo , Derry . Magical moments against Tyrone , Dublin. All this achieved while being double marked, thereby theoretically allowing other Kerry players to thrive. No All-Star for those achievements? Not sure what that this young man can do to please all. I suppose that is what “reputation” will do for you.
As far as footballer of the year is concerned , no other player has amassed a body of work in 2023 that compares to David. Of course , anything can happen when issues are decided in a studio or via ballot box. That is why the All-Ireland medal is the preeminent award because it is won on grass. Still, if other awards are to retain credibility they must be doled out on merit and seen to be so distributed. Otherwise they they become meaningless.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 30, 2023 13:04:44 GMT
The last time I posted here was in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final when I felt duty bound to defend David Clifford against an interloper who questioned his credentials. Coincidentally, I feel compelled to return now to once again defend David against a critical comment, albeit more respectfully articulated this time. David Clifford is not worthy of a 2023 All-Star? Other worldly displays against Clare, Cork, Mayo , Derry . Magical moments against Tyrone , Dublin. All this achieved while being double marked, thereby theoretically allowing other Kerry players to thrive. No All-Star for those achievements? Not sure what that this young man can do to please all. I suppose that is what “reputation” will do for you. As far as footballer of the year is concerned , no other player has amassed a body of work in 2023 that compares to David. Of course , anything can happen when issues are decided in a studio or via ballot box. That is why the All-Ireland medal is the preeminent award because it is won on grass. Still, if other awards are to retain credibility they must be doled out on merit and seen to be so distributed. Otherwise they they become meaningless. I suppose it’s all opinions. I love David , the best I’ve ever seen. I think when you articulated it the way you have veteran, I'm more likely agreeing with you. The reality is your point holds much more value given the lack of country class inside forwards there is at the moment. Mannion is a great player but only played well for Dublin this year in the final. Basquel had one good match. Poor in the semi and taken off against us. Shane mcguigan is the only other one that comes to mind. Years gone by you had prime Conor McManus , Michael Murphy, Geaney, o Donoghue, brogans, Cillian o Connor and so on and on I just feel all star awards should be about consistency in performance.. I would argue geaney could be felt hard done by, was brilliant against mayo, put great shifts in the the next few games albeit didn’t score much and then had good final. I think deep down David knows himself, given a recent interview he did I think with the examiner , you could see he wasn’t too pleased with his AI performance due to the standard he set but in the tone of the rest of his commentary he will hope to go well again next year and get to that 2022 level of performance… he has had a tough year. I’m sure he’ll come again and lead us to glory many more times. |
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 30, 2023 13:07:25 GMT
David is an All Star and he was brilliant again 2023! Look at his scoring stats alone! www.finalwhistle.ie/gaelic/player/david-clifford/David and Paudie's performances against Clare given the circumstances was truly heroic and David again provided some of the most memorable moments of the entire year in 2023. To even suggest David Clifford is not an All Star in 2023 is not only insulting to the man but just goes to show ignorance. Just my opinion! Sorry but I wasn’t insulting, just giving my opinion. I think David is our best ever.. it doesn’t mean he is immune to commentary. I think if you ask many Kerry fans the question ‘did David Clifford have his best season or final for Kerry in 2023 since he’s been in the panel since 2018 and I think many would say no. I think 2019, and 2022 have been his best. That’s my main point really. |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 1, 2023 2:59:05 GMT
The last time I posted here was in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final when I felt duty bound to defend David Clifford against an interloper who questioned his credentials. Coincidentally, I feel compelled to return now to once again defend David against a critical comment, albeit more respectfully articulated this time. David Clifford is not worthy of a 2023 All-Star? Other worldly displays against Clare, Cork, Mayo , Derry . Magical moments against Tyrone , Dublin. All this achieved while being double marked, thereby theoretically allowing other Kerry players to thrive. No All-Star for those achievements? Not sure what that this young man can do to please all. I suppose that is what “reputation” will do for you. As far as footballer of the year is concerned , no other player has amassed a body of work in 2023 that compares to David. Of course , anything can happen when issues are decided in a studio or via ballot box. That is why the All-Ireland medal is the preeminent award because it is won on grass. Still, if other awards are to retain credibility they must be doled out on merit and seen to be so distributed. Otherwise they they become meaningless. Veteran there is a general acceptance of freedom of expression. Unfortunately, there is no requirement for the person to be knowledgeable on the subject they are talking about. |
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Post by glengael on Nov 9, 2023 12:09:36 GMT
Have the Allstars been on yet?
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Post by playitfair on Nov 9, 2023 20:50:35 GMT
I have little time for the all stars and token gestures. the all stars have long been a farce.. I'll watch/read the first line, if Ryan gets an all star, and not being biased, his display against Mayo in Killarney as well as game changing saves and score vs Derry have him above Cluxton in my opinion, if Ryan gets the deserved gong well the selection committee have the heads screwed on, if the cuckoo gets it... well then the merits in my opinion are meaningless thereafter. I believe that Shane Ryan is a great goalie. However I thought Cluxton was magical in the all-ireland final. His kick-outs were so accurate and well-timed, even as an ardent Kerry fan I couldn't but applaud him. For me he is the reason Dublin won the all-ireland and therefore deserving of an all-star. Hats off to him. |
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 9, 2023 21:01:24 GMT
I have little time for the all stars and token gestures. the all stars have long been a farce.. I'll watch/read the first line, if Ryan gets an all star, and not being biased, his display against Mayo in Killarney as well as game changing saves and score vs Derry have him above Cluxton in my opinion, if Ryan gets the deserved gong well the selection committee have the heads screwed on, if the cuckoo gets it... well then the merits in my opinion are meaningless thereafter. I believe that Shane Ryan is a great goalie. However I thought Cluxton was magical in the all-ireland final. His kick-outs were so accurate and well-timed, even as an ardent Kerry fan I couldn't but applaud him. For me he is the reason Dublin won the all-ireland and therefore deserving of an all-star. Hats off to him. Brian Howard was totally free for the majority of those kickouts and to be honest a good club goalie would have picked him out. The Kerry kickout defence was fairly appalling and a big factor in the defeat. To me Shane Ryan was head and shoulders the best keeper this year but because of the “narrative” and heroic return Cluxton could well get it. |
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Post by glengael on Nov 16, 2023 15:53:24 GMT
7 All Stars for Limerick. I wonder does that set the precedent for the football selection?
Interesting venue for tomorrow night's awards. Is it the first time a GAA event has been held there?
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Post by Premier on Nov 17, 2023 16:46:23 GMT
What’s the best guess for the team this evening. Haven’t thought about it since the week after the all Ireland. I think it might be
Cluxton
McKluskey
Fitzsimons
Tom
Howard
J. McCarthy
C. McCarthy
Fenton
Rodgers
Smith
Paudie
Mannion
McGuigan
Clifford
Basquel
POTY:Clifford
YPOTY: Doherty
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 17, 2023 17:36:03 GMT
What’s the best guess for the team this evening. Haven’t thought about it since the week after the all Ireland. I think it might be Cluxton McKluskey Fitzsimons Tom Howard J. McCarthy C. McCarthy Fenton Rodgers Smith Paudie Mannion McGuigan Clifford Basquel POTY:Clifford YPOTY: Doherty No way Smith gets in, Seanie I’d expect to get one. I don’t think Howard gets one either, Morley could get in there. That would mean 6 Dublin, 5 Kerry, 3 Derry and 1 Monaghan which would be a fair split as I don’t think a lot of Dublin players had an ‘All Star year’. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 17, 2023 18:49:47 GMT
Can't see Seanie getting one. Ryan deserves one but may lose out to clucko. It will be one from either Tom or Foley with Fitzsimmons taking a full back spot. Also mckinless will have to get in and the young Derry lad. Monaghan will get one so prob leaves Lee Gannon or another dub up against white.
James Mac and Rogers will get mf.
2 Cliffords and mcguigan will get one. Costello might be in with a shout over the dubs winning. One of the canavans as well might get one. And prob a Roscommon lad that did well in the round robin so that they give one to Connaught.
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Post by john4 on Nov 17, 2023 19:00:36 GMT
What's striking to me is how individually average most of the Dublin players are yet as a team they're really tough to break down.
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Post by glengael on Nov 17, 2023 20:26:17 GMT
Feel sorry for Shane Ryan. Surprised at Seanie O'Shea getting one. Fenton most likely POTY.
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 17, 2023 20:54:58 GMT
The 2023 Footballer of the Year is Kerry's David Clifford.
Delighted for David and his family in what has been a tough year for him personally. He was still the outstanding player on view this season and most definitely a worthy footballer of the year.
PS: Congratulations to all players who won all stars this year and especially our 4 Kerrymen.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 17, 2023 21:05:08 GMT
It's an honour and a privilege to have a man let alone a player like David Clifford in Kerry.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 17, 2023 21:25:52 GMT
Great to see Smith win one. Long overdue for Roscommon.
Also quite entertaining to see Dubs going into melt down over Fenton not winning POTY.
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