Height of goalposts in Croke Park

[Mickmack]

[Mickmack]

Is there any reason why the goalsposts in Croke park couldnt be as high as the Rugby ones?
There are too many debateable calls by the umpires especially at the Canal End at present.

[pony]

is there that much in the diff?

doesn't look like there is to me

[A.N. Other]

"On the 10th October 2007 the NSAI launched Irelands' first Safety Standards relating to Goalposts in Croke Park. The new standards are IS 356:2007 relating the functional and Safety Requirements - Test methods for Portable and Fixed Goalposts. IS 357:2007 Code of practice on the procurement, installation, maintenance, inspection and storage."

According to the website the made the goals in the Gaelic grounds in Limerick!

[Owenabue]

Mickmack, they are in a different place, so perhaps the difference in size isn't as big as it appears. As in the rugby ones are closer, therefore they look taller. The heights for goalposts if my memory serves me right should be on gaa.ie, somewhere with the rules for lining the pitch. I'll try find it later.

[A.N. Other]

Size : 6.5m Wide, 2.5m High to Crossbar


Overall Height : 10.67m Over Ground, 1m Under Ground

[Owenabue]

Carlow man, you actually don't need to insult Cork to get accepted here....

[MrRasherstoyou]

I find this very inspiring, it should get a lot of posts

[kapstad]

The real problem with the whole posts thing is that the umpires have not got enough space behind the goal to retreat sufficiently to the the best view and hence sometimes mistakes are made.

[pony]

3rd umpire maybe?

Behind the goals?

[pony]

by the way, great topic!

[Todd Unctious]

owenabue said:

Mickmack, they are in a different place, so perhaps the difference in size isn't as big as it appears. As in the rugby ones are closer, therefore they look taller. The heights for goalposts if my memory serves me right should be on gaa.ie, somewhere with the rules for lining the pitch. I'll try find it later.

its called the error of parrallax in scientific terms

[Owenabue]

Thanks for that euro. You learn something new every day. Although Mickmack, you are still right, think they are about 14m.

[Attacking Wing Back]

Right you are euronews. Still tho there is no room for the umpires to get around the goals at all in the canal end.

[Mickmack]

there isnt enough room behind the goal at the canal end for umpires to have a proper view...

[animal]

Best thread ever!!!

[Jacko]

The name of this thread should be changed from 'Height of goalposts in Croke park' to
'Big umpires/additional umpires/Carlow man tryin to fit in/ Canal stand too small/ technical jargon of allsorts/ etc.'

On a more serious note Mickmack, how did you come up with this one??

[Hoffster]

euronews said:

owenabue said:

Mickmack, they are in a different place, so perhaps the difference in size isn't as big as it appears. As in the rugby ones are closer, therefore they look taller. The heights for goalposts if my memory serves me right should be on gaa.ie, somewhere with the rules for lining the pitch. I'll try find it later.

its called the error of parrallax in scientific terms

Hmmm..Well..Where did you learn that i wonder?? Mallets?

[Mickmack]

must a team lose an All Ireland to a wrong call by an umpire at the Canal End before this issue is looked at?

I was behind that goal for the hurling quarter finals between Limerick and Clare and Cork and Waterford and a few point attempts went over the post....... the umpire couldnt pssoble see from his vantage point whether it was a point or not. He couldnt go back far enough to see it because of the seating etc.


Can anyone explain why the rugby crowd feel such high posts are required and the GAA doesnt. Surely it is of paramount importance to ensure that wides are not counted as scores and vice versa.

[kapstad]

you are spot on Mickmack and maybe the only solution is to have a 3rd umpire in the Canal end and Hill 16 for any controversial calls. This third umpire would have a birds eye vantage point, would be miked up to comunicate with the other officials and would possibly be only called on once or twice during a game to clarify any difficult decisions. Also raising the height of the posts would assist and the posts being a different colour to the football would help also.

[Mickmack]

its not such a problem at the other end as the umpires can move well back. Anyway, glad someone agrees.

[A.N. Other]

mickmacmuppet said:

What are the height of the posts anyway....any thoughts on this lads?

Size : 6.5m Wide, 2.5m High to Crossbar


Overall Height : 10.67m Over Ground, 1m Under Ground

[Mickmack]

Kerry got two points last night that were flagged wide.

When the minimun height of goal posts were being decided on, the football was a lot heavier than today as was the sliother.

In todays game the ball can be kicked farther and higher. The same issue arises in hurling.

Imagine if yeasterdays game was the 2008 all ireland final and Kerry lost by a point!

[kot]

With the growing number of incidents like these in the last decade and all the talk we hear about progress how about video evidence for a disputed situation like this. Within 20 seconds of a score we can see it from every angle on RTE. The decision could be put beyond doubt before the keeper lines up his kickout. Especially when in Croke Park where there is a massive screen that shows the bloody thing!!!!

[Mickmack]

if the goal posts in all grounds were 5 or 6 feet heigher.................. the problem would be solved............. by and large

[kot]

It wouldn't really. Umpire still has to look a good 30 feet up in the air and a ball that is say kicked by a right footer on his bad side and creeps inside it is still very difficult to judge for either umpire on the spot. It's not just balls going over the bar by 10 feet that are getting flagged over. That famous game in Carlow the ball was well under the maximum height of the bar but the wrong decision was made.

[austinstacksabu]

mickmack said:

if the goal posts in all grounds were 5 or 6 feet heigher.................. the problem would be solved............. by and large

How? If the umpires at the Canal End can't see the top of the posts at the moment, what hope do they have if they're another 6ft higher?

[Owenabue]

I could be dreaming (the pressure of the strike & college finally getting to me) but is it in soccer they are trying to introduce some electronic thing so they will know if the ball crosses the line? Couldn't the same be done for football in hurling? Surely the technology is there to do something.

[kot]

owenabue said:

I could be dreaming (the pressure of the strike & college finally getting to me) but is it in soccer they are trying to introduce some electronic thing so they will know if the ball crosses the line? Couldn't the same be done for football in hurling? Surely the technology is there to do something.

Well you would think so. For Croker anyway, for God's sake the incident is replayed in that big screen before the keeper has the ball kicked out. You can hear the crowd groan if it was the wrong decision. If I was a ref and I turned and saw that I would use my common sense and reverse my original ruling even if it wasn't commonplace yet!

[Mickmack]

one of the monaghan points at the canal end was a few feet wide