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Post by Moderator on Nov 23, 2022 21:30:34 GMT
Mr O'Sullivan also warned delegates and the Kerry players again of the dangers of social media. Referring to erroneous and slanderous claims made in the wake of this year's All-Ireland victory, he said: “During the team celebrations, harmless photos and videos were taken but certain remarks were made on social media regarding drugs. Behind those remarks were faceless people on fake accounts,” Mr O’Sullivan claimed.
“Daniel O’Connell, a Castleisland solicitor who has a degree in social media, will police the social media channels on our behalf and it is our intention to take action against anyone who attempts to bring our good name down,” he warned.
I'm taking this to also include action against Mods/Control who do not deal with any poster with posts that "bring our good name down".
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 23, 2022 21:31:55 GMT
There is this odd obsession in Dublin with any success that Kerry have. Attempts are consistently made to diminish it, the sarcastic nonsense around calling Clifford the boy wonder, the crap about Shane Walsh being motm in the final or the best in the country, the attempts to create a scandal when there was none there. For the record, I believe some Kerry people have tried to diminish Dublin's achievements over the past decade. The reasons for Dublin’s success over the past decade should not be ignored either. You can label that as looking to diminish their success but it is right that questions were asked.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 23, 2022 21:35:24 GMT
Mr O'Sullivan also warned delegates and the Kerry players again of the dangers of social media. Referring to erroneous and slanderous claims made in the wake of this year's All-Ireland victory, he said: “During the team celebrations, harmless photos and videos were taken but certain remarks were made on social media regarding drugs. Behind those remarks were faceless people on fake accounts,” Mr O’Sullivan claimed.
“Daniel O’Connell, a Castleisland solicitor who has a degree in social media, will police the social media channels on our behalf and it is our intention to take action against anyone who attempts to bring our good name down,” he warned.
I'm taking this to also include action against Mods/Control who do not deal with any poster with posts that "bring our good name down".
John Delaney was particularly good at silencing the media.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 23, 2022 21:39:16 GMT
What are the problems with the main pitch at Currans? How much will this cost to fix
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 23, 2022 21:42:13 GMT
Mr O'Sullivan also warned delegates and the Kerry players again of the dangers of social media. Referring to erroneous and slanderous claims made in the wake of this year's All-Ireland victory, he said: “During the team celebrations, harmless photos and videos were taken but certain remarks were made on social media regarding drugs. Behind those remarks were faceless people on fake accounts,” Mr O’Sullivan claimed.
“Daniel O’Connell, a Castleisland solicitor who has a degree in social media, will police the social media channels on our behalf and it is our intention to take action against anyone who attempts to bring our good name down,” he warned. I'm taking this to also include action against Mods/Control who do not deal with any poster with posts that "bring our good name down". Bringing someone’s good name down is not a legal term that is enforceable. There is slander and there is disagreeing with someone. The former is an issue, the latter not. To be honest, I think the county board would need to be clear on this as his use of words insinuates some kind of pravda style control of opinion
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 23, 2022 22:24:56 GMT
What are the problems with the main pitch at Currans? How much will this cost to fix My understanding is that there were many issues regarding the finalisation of CoE : 1. No agronomist appointed to oversee maintenance/upkeep of pitches 2. Drainage issues in the development 3. Issues with the installation of the correct ducting for ESB cabling - understand that the rectification of this caused additional damage to the pitches. Not sure if anyone knows the costs of fixing.
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Post by peanuts on Nov 23, 2022 22:41:26 GMT
Spend €72 million on a venue that is used to capacity by the GAA once every two years at best seems daft in the extreme. I suspect it would be far cheaper to build a new stadium in Currans which is the location the GAA deemed most appropriate for the centre of excellence to be built. Surely the same logic would apply to the stadium. Land values in Killarney are such that the sale of Fitzgerald stadium might finance the cost of a new Currans stadium. What worried me most was the suggestion that a re-developed Fitzgerald stadium would be a multi purpose venue which automatically means it would not be available for GAA matches. We could see Munster finals returning to Austin Stacks Park if there is a clash of dates. If Killarney wants an outdoor multipurpose venue then off they go and build it (if suitable for GAA it can be rented for the rare occasion a large capacity venue is required) but the GAA's first duty is to the membership of the county at large and not to the town of Killarney. A stadium in Currans makes less sense than spending €72m on Killarney. Not that I agree with that either.
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Post by homerj on Nov 23, 2022 23:40:53 GMT
What are the problems with the main pitch at Currans? How much will this cost to fix where are these rumours coming from? ive asked somebody close to the team and he said no problems there at all. surely a £5m project, doesnt have issues with drainage, the pitch etc? if so, what did the 5m get spent on?
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Post by mg72 on Nov 23, 2022 23:52:19 GMT
What are the problems with the main pitch at Currans? How much will this cost to fix where are these rumours coming from? ive asked somebody close to the team and he said no problems there at all. surely a £5m project, doesnt have issues with drainage, the pitch etc? if so, what did the 5m get spent on? I was told by a prominent member of the CB that the drains were giving trouble on the main pitch. On investigation, it was found that almost all of the drainage system had collapsed. The drainage on the pitch below the main pitch, which is used by the U-20's is also giving trouble. Work is due to commence on this pitch when the main pitch is back in action.
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Post by john4 on Nov 24, 2022 1:07:31 GMT
where are these rumours coming from? ive asked somebody close to the team and he said no problems there at all. surely a £5m project, doesnt have issues with drainage, the pitch etc? if so, what did the 5m get spent on? I was told by a prominent member of the CB that the drains were giving trouble on the main pitch. On investigation, it was found that almost all of the drainage system had collapsed. The drainage on the pitch below the main pitch, which is used by the U-20's is also giving trouble. Work is due to commence on this pitch when the main pitch is back in action. I heard that the problem relates to worm casts which createna coating on the pitch surface which stops surface water for making it's way down. Don't know if this is 100% fact but what I heard. www.pitchcare.com/news-media/the-culture-of-worms.html"These include the creation of muddy conditions brought about by casts being smeared on the playing surface. This can cause smothering of fine grasses as well as sealing of the surface to ultimately reduce surface drainage. In particular, worm casting can have a very significant impact on newly installed slit drains that can soon become capped over and ineffective if worm casting is not controlled"
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Post by mg72 on Nov 24, 2022 7:46:13 GMT
I was told by a prominent member of the CB that the drains were giving trouble on the main pitch. On investigation, it was found that almost all of the drainage system had collapsed. The drainage on the pitch below the main pitch, which is used by the U-20's is also giving trouble. Work is due to commence on this pitch when the main pitch is back in action. I heard that the problem relates to worm casts which createna coating on the pitch surface which stops surface water for making it's way down. Don't know if this is 100% fact but what I heard. www.pitchcare.com/news-media/the-culture-of-worms.html"These include the creation of muddy conditions brought about by casts being smeared on the playing surface. This can cause smothering of fine grasses as well as sealing of the surface to ultimately reduce surface drainage. In particular, worm casting can have a very significant impact on newly installed slit drains that can soon become capped over and ineffective if worm casting is not controlled" Very interesting. I never heard of this before. The humble worm is costing the CB a whole lotta money!
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 24, 2022 10:18:27 GMT
If the pitch is out of action for a year, it sounds like a big issue
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Post by homerj on Nov 24, 2022 10:23:46 GMT
where are these rumours coming from? ive asked somebody close to the team and he said no problems there at all. surely a £5m project, doesnt have issues with drainage, the pitch etc? if so, what did the 5m get spent on? I was told by a prominent member of the CB that the drains were giving trouble on the main pitch. On investigation, it was found that almost all of the drainage system had collapsed. The drainage on the pitch below the main pitch, which is used by the U-20's is also giving trouble. Work is due to commence on this pitch when the main pitch is back in action. so surely this is on the contractor to fix it and wont cost money to do so?
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Post by keane on Nov 24, 2022 10:31:16 GMT
Killarney is better capable to host big events such as major festivals, concerts every year. the gaa/lottery probably would give £20m. government the same. business of Killarney a contribution. long term loan paid off by renting it out every year. its a yes from me. Killarney is incapable of hosting a decent homecoming for an All Ireland winning team in July as the place is too mobbed to give up a carpark for a couple of hours. How many major festivals per year do you think the town can comfortably accommodate in addition to what is already scheduled which has it bursting at the seams? You can't get through the place at any time of the day as it is destroyed with cars. Local politicians are crying about being incapable of supporting the tourism industry due to lack of accommodation as it already stands. The rental market for locals is ruined for years by homeowners putting residential housing on AirBnb (in contravention of planning) to take advantage of the hotels' inability to cope with number of visitors. What has changed since the town last failed to maintain a major festival in the stadium? How many weekends in the summer in Killarney don't already have a major event on the schedule? Are we going to put on festivals from April - September so the place won't be available for matches (and pitches ruined) or will we put them on outside of the GAA season? How many people will we get to a festival in Fitzgerald's stadium in October or November? We all laughed when Cork GAA told us they were going to pay for PUC with festivals and concerts (rightly). What lunatic promoter is going to try and take a major act to Killarney when Cork is an hour away with better access, bigger population, more accommodation, better facilities and larger capacity? Festivals and concerts are thrown around every time someone tries to push through a completely unnecessary waste of money vanity project like this. It's a deeply, deeply unserious response to even the basic arguments against this monumental (literally) waste of money.
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Post by keane on Nov 24, 2022 10:50:55 GMT
I also find it annoying to see supporters of this on twitter (who seem unsurprisingly few and far between) telling everyone who raises concerns about the scale of this project that they are in favour of Fitzgerald's Stadium being left to deteriorate.
This is either a deliberately dishonest characterization of the opposite viewpoint, or else €72M is the cost of maintaining the stadium in it's current form. I think we all know which of those two it is, but if it's the latter I'd like to know the cost of renovations to go along with the €72M cost of the maintenance.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 24, 2022 10:56:44 GMT
Or else they are being to told to be more progressive in their thinking.
This is like when politicians would talk about bringing the Olympics to Ireland
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Post by glengael on Nov 24, 2022 12:39:27 GMT
Keane sums it up accurately.
Fitzgerald Stadium needs some renovation work, no-one is disagreeing with that. But it doesn't need crazy money spent on creating another PUC.
While they're at it, the PTB might think about putting in a modest museum to display the history of the site and of the GAA in Killarney. How many other venues, still is use, have hosted an All-Ireland senior hurling Final outside of Dublin & Thurles? There's a wealth of local knowledge and history to be put on display and open on match days and longer hours during the summer. It would add to what's on offer. Also, it's mad that there's not one visual representation at all of the rich GAA heritage of the town and its environs, no mural, no display Board, no statue, no road named for anyone.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 24, 2022 20:11:59 GMT
I also find it annoying to see supporters of this on twitter (who seem unsurprisingly few and far between) telling everyone who raises concerns about the scale of this project that they are in favour of Fitzgerald's Stadium being left to deteriorate. This is either a deliberately dishonest characterization of the opposite viewpoint, or else €72M is the cost of maintaining the stadium in it's current form. I think we all know which of those two it is, but if it's the latter I'd like to know the cost of renovations to go along with the €72M cost of the maintenance. Fitzgerald Stadium needs a new stand. Everyone agrees on that. They will need to purchase or have a long lease on the land behind the terrace to allow for proper access to this area. They will also need to provide additional toilet facilities for the terrace. Terrace itself doesn't need major surgery. They will need to upgrade the scoreboard end - although if you look to some soccer stadia in Europe, they have relatively cheap temporary stands that have a lifespan of about 15-20 years that could be an option got a few thousand family seats. These are all back of a cigarette box options instead of a demolish and rebuild. I assume any report commissioned will have a number of proposals and costings for same. If the stadium is to be an option for events such as concerts it will need floodlights which will be troublesome from a planning point of view. So plenty to ponder and an interesting report to read in January.
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Post by clarinman on Nov 24, 2022 21:09:20 GMT
I also find it annoying to see supporters of this on twitter (who seem unsurprisingly few and far between) telling everyone who raises concerns about the scale of this project that they are in favour of Fitzgerald's Stadium being left to deteriorate. This is either a deliberately dishonest characterization of the opposite viewpoint, or else €72M is the cost of maintaining the stadium in it's current form. I think we all know which of those two it is, but if it's the latter I'd like to know the cost of renovations to go along with the €72M cost of the maintenance. Fitzgerald Stadium needs a new stand. Everyone agrees on that. They will need to purchase or have a long lease on the land behind the terrace to allow for proper access to this area. They will also need to provide additional toilet facilities for the terrace. Terrace itself doesn't need major surgery. They will need to upgrade the scoreboard end - although if you look to some soccer stadia in Europe, they have relatively cheap temporary stands that have a lifespan of about 15-20 years that could be an option got a few thousand family seats. These are all back of a cigarette box options instead of a demolish and rebuild. I assume any report commissioned will have a number of proposals and costings for same. If the stadium is to be an option for events such as concerts it will need floodlights which will be troublesome from a planning point of view. So plenty to ponder and an interesting report to read in January. Agreed on the bad need for improving toilet facilities on the st Finians terrace. These are a joke on big match days. It would be nice to build a new stand but I can't see how they can purchase the land of private householders behind the stand. There is only a narrow laneway between the wall at the back of the stand and the back gardens of Dalton's avenue. Hard to see what they can do with the st Brendan's end as there are bungalows directly behind the wall and any development would block their light. It's hard to see the logic in this plan. Given the rarity of big days at the stadium, surely it makes more sense to just spend a couple of million upgrading things like toilets.
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 24, 2022 21:33:25 GMT
Interesting debate on the stadium .while I enjoy games in Tralee especially national league games under lights nothing beats the atmosphere of a big game in Killarney.Granted Munster finals v cork with big crowds are a thing of the past but remember the Brillant atmosphere when Mayo came to town a few years ago and maybe under the new format Killarney will get a few bigger games annually . I think we all agree the stadium needs an urgent upgrade remember if Scotland had voted differently Killarney would have been hosting word cup games next September the third biggest sporting event in the world after the World Cup and olympics .. who is to say that iteland might bid again and only a few weeks ago a big rugby game went to cork . One of the reasons Killarney is more attractive as a concert venue than cork is thegreater number of hotels and guest houses in the town.The 72 million figure is prob thrown out to see what government backing and sports capital grants are available old saying ask enough and presumably the project would be scaled back if the proper financial government backing is not available .I agree with previous posters that the stadium project should be financially ring fenced and should NOT in any way impact the county teams and clubs financially ps we have plenty of greenfield sites down south if they want land
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Post by thehermit on Nov 24, 2022 21:39:13 GMT
For the record, I believe some Kerry people have tried to diminish Dublin's achievements over the past decade. The reasons for Dublin’s success over the past decade should not be ignored either. You can label that as looking to diminish their success but it is right that questions were asked. Damn straight, for example - as we're on the topic of Killarney - would the Dubs have their six in a row if they were forced to come down there playing semi-finals at any stage against the Kingdom, no chance
Back to the topic at hand, 72 mill? Madness, would love to see the breakdown for coming to that estimate. What are they going to do make it an all-seater with a retractable roof and pitch???
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 24, 2022 21:39:41 GMT
If Killarney town council wants a municipal events centre then let them build it. The Kerry county board can lease it if it ever needs a stadium of that size
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Post by ballhopper34 on Nov 24, 2022 21:51:30 GMT
The indoor dome in Connaught cost 3 mill- we could build 24 of them tor the 72 mill. Imagine even having 5/6 and allowing all our clubs go train on a decent pitch all year round One in each District Board area would be a dream come true. Since club football will now be from Aug/Sept till January it makes even more sense.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 24, 2022 23:07:49 GMT
Someone few posts back mentioned the Kerry Gaa Museum, did the county board ever nail down a location - at one stage both Tralee and Killarney towns were fighting over it.
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 25, 2022 0:47:12 GMT
As for the stand in the stadium, yes it needs rebuilding. At the very least, new seating.. Take out the old stand, there would be plenty of space for a new stand as the current stand isn't too steep but it does go far back. Build a steeper stand and you could easily get something similar to what they have in Pearse Stadium in Salthill...7 sections, green seating with gold section in each with the letters C,I,A,R,R,A,I... Would be a lot better than the current seating that changes colour at the lower rows when damp on the t.v... Having numbers on the back of seats instead of trying to look under peoples arses to see if your in the right number seat.
Terrace at scoreboard end needs to be finished, it is disgraceful that those seats were knocked but then nothing else were done since.
Toilets need massive improvement, no toilets from Finians corner all the way along until Lewis Road. Something needs to be also done to the current toilets, they are outdated and the toilets in the Torc Terrace corner don't even have a roof.
Last but not least, flood lights. Yes I agree that night League games should mostly stay in Tralee. We should have the option of lights for future events such as possible concerts or maybe the odd Championship game that could be played under lights.
Even if all these were achieved it wouldn't come anywhere near the €72m the bag outlined but it would give a county like Kerry, the fine arena such a successful county deserve. The stand would be my number 1 priority, I can't imagine season ticket holders from other counties look forward to coming down to sit in the current stand.
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 25, 2022 1:18:59 GMT
Agree new stand new terracing new toilets general upgrade corporate area for functions and events similar to Croke park would a figure of 25 to 30 million be more realistic and with a contribution of 20 million from the government Kerry would have a modern stadium that we could all be proud of and self financing with a concert or two each year and would be capable of hosting a word cup rugby pool game if iteland was to host this major sporting event in the future ..what about an American colleges football game ? Maybe compromise rules game huge event in Killarney in the 80s Mark o connor and co ? Before we knock the idea we should tease it out and IF the figures are realistic and the government backing is substantial then it might be feasible .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 25, 2022 5:34:41 GMT
I think the stadium is grand the way it is.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 5:59:36 GMT
Agree new stand new terracing new toilets general upgrade corporate area for functions and events similar to Croke park would a figure of 25 to 30 million be more realistic and with a contribution of 20 million from the government Kerry would have a modern stadium that we could all be proud of and self financing with a concert or two each year and would be capable of hosting a word cup rugby pool game if iteland was to host this major sporting event in the future ..what about an American colleges football game ? Maybe compromise rules game huge event in Killarney in the 80s Mark o connor and co ? Before we knock the idea we should tease it out and IF the figures are realistic and the government backing is substantial then it might be feasible . We could bring an nfl game, the baseball World Series and crufts too.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 25, 2022 8:19:16 GMT
The IRB (the rugby one not the Fenian one) made it explicitly clear after the vote for the 2023 rugby WC that they have no interest in hosting their competition in such a small country as Ireland. They don't even want to host it in NZ again because of the same issue so you can forget rugby ever being in Killarney.
Fitzgerald is not so bad as some are making out, yeah it could do with an upgrade but it's a damn finer ground than 80% of the others I've seen on my travels up and done the country.
A bit of refurbishing is all it needs not a total money pit rebuild.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 8:24:57 GMT
The IRB (the rugby one not the Fenian one) made it explicitly clear after the vote for the 2023 rugby WC that they have no interest in hosting their competition in such a small country as Ireland. They don't even want to host it in NZ again because of the same issue so you can forget rugby ever being in Killarney. Fitzgerald is not so bad as some are making out, yeah it could do with an upgrade but it's a damn finer ground than 80% of the others I've seen on my travels up and done the country. A bit of refurbishing is all it needs not a total money pit rebuild. But it needs to be done up as it’s in with a chance of hosting the nba finals, miss world & the Winter Olympics
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