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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 7, 2020 21:37:29 GMT
It’s difficult to see this game going ahead in 10 days time with the Covid figures being reported from Monaghan - similar story for the Donegal fixture given the high incidence of figures in the North West. I think the GAA may be faced with cancelling the inter county scene given that club fixtures have been suspended - seems pointless in attempting to continue with the ever increasing case numbers. Don’t see how the numbers in the county affect the game when it’s behind closed doors. The Inter County scene will and should go ahead. We’re this far, they can’t call it off now. Being behind closed doors it won’t have any negative impact or maybe very minimal impact on the cases and the mood of the country needs it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 8, 2020 9:23:44 GMT
Mood is sombre up North like elsewhere and being a few weeks into it doesn't make it any easier.
Every GAA man I speak with, and that could be anywhere in the world, is adamant that we won't have an AI championship but I suppose while there's life there's hope. It's a case of a chain only being as strong as the weakest link and all you need is for one thing to go wrong and the pack of cards falls.
Even if there is a vaccine in a few months it still wouldn't make a difference I'd say so it's just a question of toughening it out and hopefully with the help of God we will see action in the spring.
Ballydonoghue just lost one of it's finest in Dan O'Flaherty, father of Liam who claimed his Celtic Cross in 1997 with a top class performance. Dan and his wife Mary travelled to games on the supporters club bus down the years and apart from the joy of meeting a fellow parishioner, he was a great man to read a situation, be it form, action on the field of play or indeed the wider issue of how the ship was sailing. I often wondered if his sense of judgement was down to the farmer in him, and he wouldn't hesitate to call it in his own trademark matter of fact and practical way - that few sentences after the match wrapped it up as he'd give an understudy plenty to think about. A gentleman and a Kerry football supporter - what more can I say? Condolences to Mary, Liam and the extended clan, RIP Dan, we will miss the auld bit of wisdom.
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 8, 2020 12:02:08 GMT
I’d am hoping the Gaa will look at the league and championship and make a call that won’t be popular and protect our players and families.
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Post by interested on Oct 8, 2020 12:11:25 GMT
I’d am hoping the Gaa will look at the league and championship and make a call that won’t be popular and protect our players and families. Agreed. Doesn't make much sense starting something that might not finish
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Post by glengael on Oct 8, 2020 18:14:17 GMT
I’d am hoping the Gaa will look at the league and championship and make a call that won’t be popular and protect our players and families. Yes it seems completely daft to say it's somehow magically ok for at least 30 men to travel an 8 hour round trip to play a contact team sport for over an hour and then travel home straight away without even a shower and then go to work/school/college the following morning and there's no increased risk?
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Post by ataboy on Oct 9, 2020 12:00:22 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Oct 9, 2020 12:06:56 GMT
This game is being streamed in Ireland on GAA Go for a fiver.
And will be free in the hospitals and nursing homes.
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Post by jackiel on Oct 9, 2020 14:29:55 GMT
Good to hear that Peter Crowley is returning , he brings a bit of an edge to the play.
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Post by southward on Oct 9, 2020 21:53:42 GMT
Jack Barry ruled out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 22:02:56 GMT
For the season or just this game?
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Post by southward on Oct 9, 2020 22:50:05 GMT
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Post by southward on Oct 9, 2020 23:28:05 GMT
I’d am hoping the Gaa will look at the league and championship and make a call that won’t be popular and protect our players and families. Yes it seems completely daft to say it's somehow magically ok for at least 30 men to travel an 8 hour round trip to play a contact team sport for over an hour and then travel home straight away without even a shower and then go to work/school/college the following morning and there's no increased risk? No way fellas can be let make that journey back without a shower at least; this is madness. Book a hotel for the showers if need be.
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 10, 2020 7:29:26 GMT
It will be very irresponsible of the Kerry County Board to allow the senior panel travel into Monaghan this weekend coming. We all love our sport BUT! the players are being put at a very high risk entering Ulster and sport needs to be put on hold. These players and management deserve to be protected against this lethal virus and not bring it back to their family’s. What are people thinking?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 10, 2020 10:55:09 GMT
It will be very irresponsible of the Kerry County Board to allow the senior panel travel into Monaghan this weekend coming. We all love our sport BUT! the players are being put at a very high risk entering Ulster and sport needs to be put on hold. These players and management deserve to be protected against this lethal virus and not bring it back to their family’s. What are people thinking? I'd be the cautious type and living in Donegal I am not so sure that playing up here is any different to anywhere else as though the incidence is higher in the 6 counties, one of which isn't Monaghan, there is no contact as it is behind closed doors. Listening to Peter Keane on TV last night I'd say he knows what he is doing and won't be taking any chances. The issue I see at the moment is that anything to do with Corvid has the media in a frenzy as they know people will tune in as we are less busy and of course it affects everyone personally so we will keep checking up - the media know this and play on it. Take last weekend, ok Holohan was talking of Level 5 but Government went for 3, and both parties were fine about it, but hells bells, the media can't shut up about it, even the normally respected ones. NPHET are different to the Government, that is why we have them, and in fairness both have served us well enough in what is a crazy situation. Even the opposition appeared to be in wider agreement with the government despite the media picking 'he said, she said' holes in things all week. All people need to do is to be a bit sensible yet the medias erode the credibility of those who are advising us and have out best interests at heart, and I think that is the case across the political spectrum, with the exception of a bit of point scoring when the m media invite it. Anyone who knows me on here knows I have no issue in exposing nonsense, and in this case the media are culpable as some people by nature will be influenced and may not heed warnings and adhere to best practice guidelines - next thing a poor auld vulnerable soul gets infected! Now I don't want to be going on but here's a bit of useful info - a while back I was looking for a particular book that wasn't in a book shop and didn't someone mention the library, I was under the impression that they were a gonner, what with The Internet, etc, and I hadn't been in one for decades. Not alone did I literally walk in and get the book but didn't I discover that they have more good books than most bookshops - they get copies of most new releases and the standard is so high. In a rare endeavour I subsequently came by a book that costs €70 so not many would be buying that, well neither would I as I didn't have to, it was in the library. Books are shared between libraries so the range is vast and librarians are always so helpful anyway - here I was a fella who did a bit of writing and had written off the library, fool was I, but no more! Nostos, a big whopper by Moyvane man John Moriarty, kept me sane this past while - hadn't I just borrowed it the day before the lock down. What's more my relations are mentioned in it and nobody has even heard of this man in North Kerry. Yerra all good writers down there are condemned, only jobbing gabbers are heard of, poster boys who like the sound of their own voices, vices more like it! It was Micheál O Muireartaigh who drew my attention to Moriarty, no relation, and I am so grateful to him, the book may also have been pricey but there it was on the shelf. And Micheál also has John as the best North Kerry writer, still no relation! Ah, where would we be without him, blessed we are, though not related, well not yet anyway. Stay safe everyone!
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Post by ataboy on Oct 10, 2020 14:15:10 GMT
Yes it seems completely daft to say it's somehow magically ok for at least 30 men to travel an 8 hour round trip to play a contact team sport for over an hour and then travel home straight away without even a shower and then go to work/school/college the following morning and there's no increased risk? No way fellas can be let make that journey back without a shower at least; this is madness. Book a hotel for the showers if need be. Almost certain for inter county games, teams have the use of dressing rooms. Even doesn't seem right that you could have the possibility of players driving up individually on the Friday, is it worth all that. Think games should have been moved to neutral venues to avoid overnight stays also.
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 10, 2020 17:43:54 GMT
Just to correct ballythefireside Monaghan has actually the highest incident rate in the whole of Ireland at 270.40 per hundred thousand. That is well above all other counties, but people love their sport and the consequences to the players don’t matter as long as those people get their fill.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Oct 10, 2020 19:45:44 GMT
I'd imagine any half-aware hotel will be very wary about allowing a few busloads, or several dozen cars, from Donegal to book at their facility while on their way to Tralee for the upcoming league game.
Kerry mightn't have the same problem booking hotels, but players should be concerned about where they will be asked to report to...going to a Monaghan town hotel in the county with the highest rate in the country will raise valid objections from players, let alone their wives or loved ones.
Even being in that county might be objectionable in these times.
I can see a few hamstring or groin issues appearing suddenly before away games.
Or full retirements by senior members of some county panels.
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Post by john4 on Oct 10, 2020 21:36:26 GMT
Is there any data compiled and available for the number of covid cases reported directly as a result of participating in a football or hurling match.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 10, 2020 23:46:18 GMT
To be honest I'm glad I'm not a player as with current cases spiralling out of control I would refuse to travel halfway around the country to play a game that doesn't necessarily have to be played. I love the GAA, and I really, really miss the games, but I wonder what would happen if one of the players would get covid while in Monaghan, or gives it to his grandmother when he gets back. Club games are off, why force inter county games to go ahead?
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Post by KY50 on Oct 11, 2020 7:42:18 GMT
Totally Agree Seoirse, very risky considering the significant upsurge in cases. The National League should be deferred for now under we get this under control, there is a bigger picture here as you have clearly pointed out.
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Post by goonised on Oct 11, 2020 8:35:33 GMT
To be honest I'm glad I'm not a player as with current cases spiralling out of control I would refuse to travel halfway around the country to play a game that doesn't necessarily have to be played. I love the GAA, and I really, really miss the games, but I wonder what would happen if one of the players would get covid while in Monaghan, or gives it to his grandmother when he gets back. Club games are off, why force inter county games to go ahead? Can games be played in level 5?
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Post by john4 on Oct 11, 2020 8:55:42 GMT
To be honest I'm glad I'm not a player as with current cases spiralling out of control I would refuse to travel halfway around the country to play a game that doesn't necessarily have to be played. I love the GAA, and I really, really miss the games, but I wonder what would happen if one of the players would get covid while in Monaghan, or gives it to his grandmother when he gets back. Club games are off, why force inter county games to go ahead? Can games be played in level 5? Inter-county matches cannot be played if the country goes to level 5
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 11, 2020 10:51:02 GMT
Is there any data showing Covid is transmitted during football and hurling games? No, not that I aware of but there is also no data to show COVID-19 was transmitted while children study or play in schools or people eating in a restaurant/bar but yet it is transmitted. If a droplet is close contact with us we have a high chance of getting Covid and it doesn’t matter weather it was during a match, traveling to the match, eating after the match or any of the other things that happen coming up to and after a match.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 11, 2020 10:57:37 GMT
The question for me is: do we want to risk players contracting a deadly virus just so we can have our entertainment? It might indeed not happen during the match, during training, but travelling 4 hours up to Monaghan surely to have to stop somewhere, they'd need a hotel, they'd need food, and so on. The instances where they could get infected on such a long trip, and basically a weekend away, are plenty, and it's not just about players getting it. They might also carry the virus back to their loved ones. By now it looks like we need someone to die before people take it seriously and that is totally unacceptable to me. Unless games can be done in a safe manner they should not go ahead.
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 11, 2020 11:13:17 GMT
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Post by southward on Oct 11, 2020 11:47:38 GMT
The question for me is: do we want to risk players contracting a deadly virus just so we can have our entertainment?It might indeed not happen during the match, during training, but travelling 4 hours up to Monaghan surely to have to stop somewhere, they'd need a hotel, they'd need food, and so on. The instances where they could get infected on such a long trip, and basically a weekend away, are plenty, and it's not just about players getting it. They might also carry the virus back to their loved ones. By now it looks like we need someone to die before people take it seriously and that is totally unacceptable to me. Unless games can be done in a safe manner they should not go ahead. Well it won't be up to us but in any case the players aren't going to risk anything just for our benefit. They'll play if they want to and for themselves.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 11, 2020 14:00:48 GMT
Another sad day in Ballydonogue with the passing of our Anne O'Mahony, wife of Moss who served as a County Board official some years back, she also had 5 sons including Martin who led Ballydonoghue for over a decade. She was a good one, the woman behind the good man, behind 6 men in this case - a lot of work goes unnoticed in the GAA and nowhere more so than by wives/partners and families - washing gear, etc, giving us a lift when we are down, listening to our nonsense and nodding in agreement might be the hardest part of all. They keep the home fires burning while we go and enjoy ourselves. RIP Anne and thanks for your contribution to making Ballydonoghue and Kerry GAA what they are, what we have - nothing could have happened without you and your likes and Sligo did us a big favour here.
I speak if I may on behalf of the forum in extending that to all such families and individuals in these sad times. On reflection it certainly gives a new and more proper meaning to the GAA being termed as 'a community sport' - I for one admit to only considering that in the context of meeting up at matches, and yes, how sport helps youngsters stay on track in life. Partners and families of volunteers and supporters alike need to be acknowledged for the tremendous work done behind the scenes and anyone who knew Anne would know why one is inspired to say that today.
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Post by rollingstone on Oct 11, 2020 14:17:29 GMT
The question for me is: do we want to risk players contracting a deadly virus just so we can have our entertainment? It might indeed not happen during the match, during training, but travelling 4 hours up to Monaghan surely to have to stop somewhere, they'd need a hotel, they'd need food, and so on. The instances where they could get infected on such a long trip, and basically a weekend away, are plenty, and it's not just about players getting it. They might also carry the virus back to their loved ones. By now it looks like we need someone to die before people take it seriously and that is totally unacceptable to me. Unless games can be done in a safe manner they should not go ahead. Here we go again, completely losing the run of ourselves based on Holohan, RTE and the print media doomsday merchants. There is a very big distinction between cases and deaths related to COVID-19 – does anyone remember flatten the curve back in spring? In case we’ve all forgotten, they were talking about the DEATH curve not the CASE curve. Some seriously short memories around. We’ve now been reduced to actually discussing whether or not the Kerry team can get a shower anywhere for an away trip for a match in Monaghan. It’s like I’m living in a parallel universe. This was my prediction on the effect on the GAA for the rest of 2020 on another thread back in July 2020. I am no brain surgeon but you didn’t need a crystal ball to where things were headed, even back then: "My predictions (OPINION) for the rest of the year and 2021, which I believe will impact on the GAA and wider society generally are broadly: restrictions will continue and the enjoyment of living life as you ordinarily would will be removed until a vaccine is deemed “ready” sometime in 2021. I anticipate that there will be further moving of the goal posts by the government which will result in disruption to the autumn intercounty schedule; the government and compliant media will hype a second wave as we move from summer into autumn and then winter, this can only logically result in more impact on the GAA; matches will be postponed on the basis of suspected and/or confirmed cases in the playing population even though no one under 45 has died and practically all (except for the odd exception as noted by one poster) recover without issue; numbers will increase again as they inevitably do for ALL illnesses in the darker/colder months but we will all forget that this was ever the case; there will potentially be more lockdowns as the winter approaches and even Christmas may be effected; in the new year when a vaccine is “ready”, people will be queuing up for it around the corner, not because they particularly want to take it, but because they can no longer take the life we are being forced into living. Maybe then we will be allowed to get back on with our lives with some semblance of normality. Until then I fear that the club and county scene will be erratic and subject to all manner of interruptions and restrictions. I hope I am proved very wrong." Unfortunately I have been proved exactly right. Whilst cases have indeed increased, deaths have barely flickered and remain where they were in June 2020, these charts taken straight from Google itself illustrate this CASES v DEATHS. You can see that cases have been rising since July 2020 so the argument that there is a lag between an increase in cases and deaths just doesn't hold any water, if deaths correlated anywhere close to cases our morgues and funerals would be flooded by now but that is simply not the case. Using the "logic" we hear out of NPHET and Holohan day after day, we should be seeing anywhere between 30-50 deaths per day which is plainly not the case. How long has Holohan been saying "I'm deeply concerned how things are going, at this rate deaths will be up..." blah blah blah. It's boring. We’ve had to cut our club season short now, kids very disappointed as they were loving training all the way up to the seniors. It’s so frustrating. I can only imagine what it must be like for those in the tourism, entertainment and hospitality sectors. Dig beneath the headlines and do some research for yourself and you might be surprised at what you find. Whilst the print media across the water have been asking very hard questions of Johnson in the last month or so and are now tearing into him whereas here, the RTE/print media lapdogs are toeing the party line as usual. Even when the government quite rightly rejected NPHET’s crazy recommendation to jump to L5 the Indo etc. were saying it was dangerous to ignore NPHET’s advice. None of these measures have worked so far, how in God’s name is more lockdown going to help things? They have us so worked up we’re practically begging to be locked down again. Why is Ireland such an outlier on this when its numbers are some of the best in Europe in comparison? A month ago our death rate was the best in Europe and little has changed since, confirmed in the Irish Times here. Our club teams should be playing out the remainder of their seasons in this fine weather we’ve been having but instead it’s over. When will it return I wonder? Don’t hold breath…
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Post by mossie on Oct 11, 2020 15:18:47 GMT
inter county, management or playing doesnt sound like much fun anymore
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Post by veteran on Oct 11, 2020 16:10:56 GMT
Great post Rollingstone. As usual, based on fact rather then hysteria.
A few days ago even the Covid 19 Envoy for WHO came out and queried the wisdom of lockdowns. He suggested that the the greatest impact of lockdowns was the making of poor people poorer. Could have told him that several months ago.
As far as I know this PCR test, which is returning all these positive cases, was meant to be a diagnostic rather than a screening test. That was per the inventor of this test. Sadly he is now dead. Some weeks ago the New York Times reported that up to 85% of these “positive” results could be false positives. Consider that. Have our medical scientists ever been queried on the validity of all these “positive” tests?
In this so called enlightened age, three doctors who queried the accepted narrative have been censored. I wish it was our supine media who asked the inconvenient questions. If It was so, perhaps some normality would prevail including the restoration of our sporting fixtures , so important for the mental well being of our citizens. It appears they are happy to act as a mouthpiece for the medical scientists, content to report, day after day, the meaningless number of “cases”. Well , I suppose the boys and girls in the media , and the boys and girls in the medical fraternity need not worry being impoverished as a result of lockdowns etc.
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