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Post by southward on Jan 25, 2020 19:13:42 GMT
A martian watching the build-up on RTE would think that Dublin were playing themselves. Barely a mention of Kerry at all.
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Post by southward on Jan 25, 2020 19:16:00 GMT
Jesus, those Kerry jersies are sh*te. Think I nearly prefer the Star Trek ones.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 25, 2020 20:16:41 GMT
In trouble at midfield - Fenton lording it - no obvious replacements to come in.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 25, 2020 21:28:50 GMT
Could have won, should have won.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 25, 2020 21:30:51 GMT
Draw fair enough result but kerry will be more disappointed. Dublin opened us up at the backs hitting post twice and our midfield very disappointing. Kerry got flight up today but still looked sluggish.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 25, 2020 21:37:50 GMT
Could have won, should have won. Slghtly disappointing but I suppose overall we were not too bad. Kickouts still causing us bother. Lucky not to have leaked 2 goals. Forwards were v. good. Defence a bit shaky. Dubs got 2 v soft frees.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 25, 2020 21:51:44 GMT
Still a lot of questions surrounding us and our bottle in general.
Tommy was poor, I don’t think he’s at this level any more Clifford is just a beautiful, beautiful footballer- he’s just a joy to watch. Kearney did very well when he came on and my usual soft spot for geaney is coming out as I thought he was excellent as usual.
Mush did a lot right too and hopefully he can keep it up this season as he’s a serious option for us
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Post by peanuts on Jan 25, 2020 22:01:48 GMT
Still a lot of questions surrounding us and our bottle in general. Tommy was poor, I don’t think he’s at this level any more Clifford is just a beautiful, beautiful footballer- he’s just a joy to watch. Kearney did very well when he came on and my usual soft spot for geaney is coming out as I thought he was excellent as usual. Mush did a lot right too and hopefully he can keep it up this season as he’s a serious option for us I thought Geaney was poor in the first half but a bit better in the second half. Disappointed with Shane’s kick outs at the end. I thought he was too slow. Good fight displayed though by all the team and a point was deserved.
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Post by southward on Jan 25, 2020 22:04:05 GMT
Very disjointed second half display with little going on up front. Did we score from play at all after Murphy's two points?
Dublin got some handy frees tonight though and the black-carding of O'Sullivan was scandalous - looked like 2 lads running for the ball and if anything the Dublin player collided with O'Sullivan, who was favourite to get there in any case.
BTW, did O'Sullivan come back on at all?; I didn't see him afterwards. If he didn't, he would have been binned for about 17 minutes.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 25, 2020 22:15:55 GMT
Very disjointed second half display with little going on up front. Did we score from play at all after Murphy's two points? Dublin got some handy frees tonight though and the black-carding of O'Sullivan was scandalous - looked like 2 lads running for the ball and if anything the Dublin player collided with O'Sullivan, who was favourite to get there in any case. BTW, did O'Sullivan come back on at all?; I didn't see him afterwards. If he didn't, he would have been binned for about 17 minutes. I think he did but not acknowledged by Marty, nor was Dara Moynihan coming on.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 25, 2020 22:18:32 GMT
I didnt think the referee was great to be fair. Near the end Gavin C was showing for the kickout on a few occasions but Shane didnt give it...preferring to kick it 50/50 out around the middle. One was even kicked straight to a Dub.
James MC Carthy seemed to foul with impunity.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 25, 2020 22:19:15 GMT
Very disjointed second half display with little going on up front. Did we score from play at all after Murphy's two points? Dublin got some handy frees tonight though and the black-carding of O'Sullivan was scandalous - looked like 2 lads running for the ball and if anything the Dublin player collided with O'Sullivan, who was favourite to get there in any case. BTW, did O'Sullivan come back on at all?; I didn't see him afterwards. If he didn't, he would have been binned for about 17 minutes. I think he did but not acknowledged by Marty, nor was Dara Moynihan coming on. He did come back on
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 25, 2020 22:25:42 GMT
I didnt think the referee was great to be fair. Near the end Gavin C was showing for the kickout on a few occasions but Shane didnt give it...preferring to kick it 50/50 out around the middle. One was even kicked straight to a Dub. James MC Carthy seemed to foul with impunity. Agree on the ref - thought a lot of frees to Dublin were given because a guy went to ground - black card cost us the game - 3 up & in charge, a man down changed the course of the game - Graham was harshly penalised but it should be a lesson for the future.
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Post by john4 on Jan 25, 2020 22:36:21 GMT
We're as good as Dublin anywhere on the field in terms of the physical demands of the game, but we're still behind them in terms of football intelligence or cuteness or whatever you'd like to call it. They're smarter when the test comes.
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Post by Hicser on Jan 25, 2020 22:40:33 GMT
All in all, this was just shadow boxing but important in that we are keeping pace with Dublin. It’s a pity this was not game 4 or 5 when fellas are fitter, I thought both teams were beginning to blow a bit near the end.
Positives for Kerry: I thought JOD looked very sharp, please please have one injury free year. Captaincy didn’t seem to bother Clifford and he got some amount of attention! There were some great points scored . Negatives: Midfield was weak. This is where are most vulnerable, we are still heavily dependent on Moran & Barry. Our management of the last 10 minutes was weak notwithstanding the black card. Lesson not learned from Al finals yet!
Positives for Dublin: Fenton was immense, again he seemed to be totally unmarked. They looked physically stronger than Kerry even during the minor dust ups, they weren’t the team stepping back. Their new lads looked very good. Negatives: Small is a liability and I’m guessing will see at least one red card this year. I don’t think there is much left in Philly. There discipline wasn’t great. I’d say Gavin would have been disappointed with that!
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Post by peanuts on Jan 25, 2020 22:56:03 GMT
I wouldn’t be overly worried about the midfield. We were missing 3 of our 4 main midfielders from last year and lost the fourth after 10 minutes. Spillane had been shaping up well against Fenton too I thought.
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Post by ky20 on Jan 25, 2020 23:02:14 GMT
I didnt think the referee was great to be fair. Near the end Gavin C was showing for the kickout on a few occasions but Shane didnt give it...preferring to kick it 50/50 out around the middle. One was even kicked straight to a Dub. James MC Carthy seemed to foul with impunity. Was up at the game. Totally agree. At least 2 kickouts near the end we had a man free and Goalie panicked. He was going short all along. Cracking game to start the league though!
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jan 25, 2020 23:19:47 GMT
All in all, this was just shadow boxing but important in that we are keeping pace with Dublin. It’s a pity this was not game 4 or 5 when fellas are fitter, I thought both teams were beginning to blow a bit near the end. Positives for Kerry: I thought JOD looked very sharp, please please have one injury free year. Captaincy didn’t seem to bother Clifford and he got some amount of attention! There were some great points scored . Negatives: Midfield was weak. This is where are most vulnerable, we are still heavily dependent on Moran & Barry. Our management of the last 10 minutes was weak notwithstanding the black card. Lesson not learned from Al finals yet! Positives for Dublin: Fenton was immense, again he seemed to be totally unmarked. They looked physically stronger than Kerry even during the minor dust ups, they weren’t the team stepping back. Their new lads looked very good. Negatives: Small is a liability and I’m guessing will see at least one red card this year. I don’t think there is much left in Philly. There discipline wasn’t great. I’d say Gavin would have been disappointed with that! I thought Kearney completely negated Fenton in the second half, looks very promising. Fenton has it all his own way in the first half. The black card on O’Sullivan was not the right call, free out if anything. Anyway, good start and something to build on.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 25, 2020 23:47:06 GMT
Remenicent of the AI drawn game. Poor decision making when Dublin put on the squeeze. How Geaney and Tommy Walsh stayed on is beyond me and I'm disappointed in Geaneys leadership in the recent games with Dublin. Great to see JOD back and firing. But tonight was the Fenton and Clifford show.
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Post by exiled on Jan 26, 2020 0:09:29 GMT
A draw seemed a fair result to me. Midfield was the reason why we didn't win and missing physicality in defence. We need to get Clifford on the ball more. Stephen O'Brien seems a shadow of last year.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 26, 2020 0:15:57 GMT
I was very disappointed with our tackling. What has Buckley been doing. Please dont ever position Paul Geaney out around the middle of the field. He can't tackle and gives away frees all the time.
Noticed quite a bit of slipping by our backs in first half when getting turned especially in Cusack/Canal corner
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 26, 2020 0:27:11 GMT
Not a bad result for Kerry. These games show what players are like without a summer of intense traing / tactics. For the second league in a row Dublin have failed to win. The difference in August is manufactured in June/July.
I have never had any doubts about David as captain. His body language and everything about him screams captain. Tony Adams took over as captain of Arsenal at 21. It brings its tests. The final free by David was a test. He delivered. Also when Byrne blocked his shot early on David needed to make a point. It took about 5 minutes.
Liam Kearney impressed. James was flying. We do need to find a bit of steel in defence.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jan 26, 2020 0:54:08 GMT
To be fair to both teams this was a great game of football considering the date it was played. Thought we could have pinched it but a draw was a good result, our lack of options cost us around the middle as fenton was doing what he wanted for long periods of the game, must say I love watching him as he is a class act. This is the first exchange of this decade and I’m positive about the future. Kerry will win championships this decade imo Ciarraí Abú
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Post by Fado on Jan 26, 2020 1:37:27 GMT
Fenton was having a field day, who wait until half time to stick the finger in the wall.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 26, 2020 1:38:29 GMT
We have to be happy with this evening really That black card now has a bite to it hopefully it will tidy up the game very badly. Needed. The scamp started to appear again tonight I’ll give three examples 1 john Small has started to dive now and had 4 good dives in second half culminating in sending off of Graham he beat Small to the ball in a very good challenge result he gets sent off !! Can’t understand how he meekly walked off ? After being so badly wronged anyway they need to have it rescinded 2. Seemingly Mc Carthy was in enforcer mood again today and got a good few slaps in today off and on the ball 3 . Philly Mc Mahons right hook to Paul Geaneys face Was late and intentional a red card 100%
Plenty positives for Dublin too especially the Byrnes lad our own Byrne Michael was immense when he came in really made a huge difference Brian Fenton has the freedom of Croke Park but in fairness his shooting was excellent Our old habit of giving away soft freed raised its ugly head so many times here again Shane’s foul late on we all know was not a foul But he should have gave the ref no chance to blow gotta read the ref too and tidy up the tackle Shooting seems to have improved from last year but a ways to go yet Really looking forward to this years football after today
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 26, 2020 1:44:28 GMT
I think a big issue with Kerry that hasn't really been addressed is the lack of physicality in the half back line. Gavin Crowley has improved a lot of the past 12 months and is an excellent ball player however I don't believe he will ever be the presence we need here. We don't seem to have any back capable of matching the power and pace of the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny when the game is at critical stages. For what it is worth I would like to see Jack Barry being tried in at the center back position during the league, he played here under age with Kerry and certainly has the mobility and strength. I understand midfield is a concern also however I believe with Diarmuid O'Connor a year older and Liam Kearney showing a lot of promise tonight that this area will be ok come championship. It is the no.6 position that I just don't see an obvious answer currently and I think we will suffer big time come championship if we don't address during the league.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 26, 2020 4:53:23 GMT
I was very disappointed with our tackling. What has Buckley been doing. Please dont ever position Paul Geaney out around the middle of the field. He can't tackle and gives away frees all the time. Noticed quite a bit of slipping by our backs in first half when getting turned especially in Cusack/Canal corner Buckley has been out of the country since October & apparently not due back until early next month - hopefully his coaching wil have a bearing come the summer.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jan 26, 2020 8:04:21 GMT
I thought this was a great game to start the season.
I would not subscribe to the view that Kerry will be disappointed. We showed great spirit throughout and especially in that last attack.
Make no mistake Dublin were fully determined to win the game - and fielded a very strong team.
We were unlucky with the injuries to BoB and Spillane.
I thought we were also unlucky with reffing decisions. A lot of borderline decisions went to Dublin and of course some blatant incorrect ones.
Whilst I thought the ref did ok it’s such a difficult job these days that one team can often be significantly impacted by ref decisions - this I believe happened to us last night. I think it’s because Dublin players are good at playing for the free and we are not. Unfortunately we will.need to start learning or else make sure we are 5 or 6 points up on teams (especially Dublin) going into last quarter.
I only watched on telly and took some rough notes below:-
1st point for Dublin was not a free
Adrian Spillane down injured for 2 mins when dub got second point
Another soft free for dub 3rd point
Dublin penalty was very harsh
Soft frees for Dublin whose men stay down as if they have been bludgeoned with a hammer - mcmenamon , Philly
Soft yellow given to o’brien
2nd half - Dublin get 45 as ball went wide off P Andrews - it should have been a kick out
Another soft free against G O’Sullivan on McHugh - D Rock point in front of goal
Kerry 3 balls dropped into goalie hands by 45th min
Shane Enright charging through inside the D advantage being played but ref called it back ? SOS pointed from angle but could have been a goal of play was let go on.
Stephen O’Brien easily dispossessed off kick out needlessly
Dublin get a free for gods knows what straight in front of goal to score another easy point
Tommy Walsh barely got a kick - Replaced by M Burns who looked well up for it.
Philly Mc already on yellow hits S O’Shea straight in the face - free given but nothing else?
G O’Sullivan did not look like a black card?
70th minute Shane kicks out a howler when plenty options on out wide - ended with Kilkenny getting equalising point !
S O’Shea poor shot selection - wide from 50 metres
76m - ref gives free to Dublin (Kilkenny running through) straight in front of goal - winning score . very dubious free!
Cynical fouling by Dublin to stop kerry getting equaliser at the death.
Clifford nails the free - not easy and pressure kick with S O’Shea off..Dubs doing usual stuff trying to put Clifford off as he waited a long time to take the pressure free.
Other observations
Kerry players slipping
Pass back to goalie after kick out should be banned
4 steps again not being reffed - whats new .
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Post by greenandgold on Jan 26, 2020 8:26:18 GMT
Was at the game and thought the ref did a poor job- he was much too prominent and unpredictable- think he contributed hugely to the frustration esp in last few mins- and the he decided to play for the draw. What did SoS do to get sent off? He is a fine player- not as skillful as Clifford but imo, at least as valuable- maybe more. As stated earlier our midfield was weak and definitely we need to get smarter/cuter on game management- dublin have that mastered in some clever and some awful ways but they are being rewarded for it ,not punished so we have to address that. First or a few meeting this year i think and not a bad start to 2020 at all
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Post by dc84 on Jan 26, 2020 8:58:09 GMT
Overall a good run out we should have won really. We did very well in mf in 2nd half thought kearney and o brien looked good like the cut of grsham sullivan aswell black card a bit harsh.
That ref was horrendous for both teams.i said it when gavin left ill discipline could be their achilles heel and i think we got a glimsp yesterday. The setup of front was a bit odd geaney isnt a centre forward in my book we had tommy JoD clifford and geaney 4 inside men SOS pkaying mf takes a lot from our game. Jod had a super first half he looked strong
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