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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 20, 2019 6:55:57 GMT
Its becoming increasingly apparent that unless you step straight from minor into our senior panel that there is a drop off in performance. Our under 20/21's have underperformed relative to their equivalent minors for prob 2 decades now.
I believe this is because if you dont make the aforementioned immediate step up then your level of training and S&C work that you are getting at your club is sub-standard.
Most clubs cant afford to bring in a high level of coach and I think that it might be time for the county board to start looking at employing regionalised S&C & skills coaches for clubs to share.
It would take a bit of buy in from clubs as you might be sharing one across 7/8 clubs in, for example, North Kerry but I think it's essential to help us compete.
Dublin have been very mediocre at minor level, bar 1/2 teams, over the last 2 decades but they keep on getting players through and I would put this down to the professional coaching that the players are receiving in their clubs post minor level. Their under 20/21's nearly always outperform their minor equivalent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
A lot of the guys starring at minor level are too small or not athletic enough. S&C can help but we need to focus on the right type of players also.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 20, 2019 8:12:20 GMT
A lot of the guys starring at minor level are too small or not athletic enough. S&C can help but we need to focus on the right type of players also. Granted, but if additional S&C + skills coaching can help then we should be doing it! |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2019 8:46:30 GMT
Dont most of them go away to college in Limerick or Cork.
Is that a factor
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 20, 2019 8:51:59 GMT
Dont most of them go away to college in Limerick or Cork. Is that a factor It is for sure but we need to improve the standard of coaching at our clubs, no matter what. The CB should be driving this |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 22, 2019 10:08:50 GMT
Another manifestation of this problem is the lack of interest from the County board to the U21 grade at club level - this competition is run off in a manner that suggests its a pain in the Ass to the county board when in fact it is an important lifeline in the transitioning of minors to seniors for most clubs. Competition is squuezed into the calendar with little regard for the needs of the players themselves and the club variant of the competition has not even been contested in the last 2-3 years.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 22, 2019 11:50:50 GMT
This was on the agenda as far back as 04/05 when Pat Flanagan was with the seniors - I recall it being suggested to the county board that they should introduce such a routine but that it be in a supervised fashion - there was no appetite then but no excuses now with Jason McGahon permanently employed & Centre of Excellence up & running.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 22, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
In his article today EF says that Bryan Cullen is key to Dublin transitioning minors to seniors quickly in a fully developed state. These are my words but thats the gist of it.
He was taken from Leinster so it didnt come cheaply.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 23, 2019 7:10:09 GMT
Kerry didn't do too badly with DC, SOS & D'OC either!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 23, 2019 7:27:22 GMT
Kerry didn't do too badly with DC, SOS & D'OC either! But it’s not the lads goin straight into the senior panel that are the issue. It’s the other guys who aren’t reaching their potential when they get to 20-25. We’ll only get a Clifford once every 20 or so years |
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Post by homerj on Jul 23, 2019 9:46:17 GMT
In his article today EF says that Bryan Cullen is key to Dublin transitioning minors to seniors quickly in a fully developed state. These are my words but thats the gist of it. He was taken from Leinster so it didnt come cheaply. EF decided to hang on to lads who were clearly not up to it as opposed to bringing in these lads 2 years ago. it meant weve thrown 14/15 of them into senior football in the space of 15 months as opposed to doing it over 36 months. and it much easier to develop 1 or 2 each year than doing it the current way |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2019 12:08:49 GMT
Kerry didn't do too badly with DC, SOS & D'OC either! But it’s not the lads goin straight into the senior panel that are the issue. It’s the other guys who aren’t reaching their potential when they get to 20-25. We’ll only get a Clifford once every 20 or so years There is a small-ish group training collectively once a week with a view to getting them ready for next year. Includes some of the winning Junior team. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 23, 2019 15:50:03 GMT
But it’s not the lads goin straight into the senior panel that are the issue. It’s the other guys who aren’t reaching their potential when they get to 20-25. We’ll only get a Clifford once every 20 or so years There is a small-ish group training collectively once a week with a view to getting them ready for next year. Includes some of the winning Junior team. Aye but what I’m suggesting would reach a much larger group |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2019 20:48:52 GMT
There is a small-ish group training collectively once a week with a view to getting them ready for next year. Includes some of the winning Junior team. Aye but what I’m suggesting would reach a much larger group Yeah and it is a great suggestion. Giving clubs access to S&C expertise would help bridge the gap that is there. GDAs already have their hands full helping clubs and generally their focus is on the juvenile section of clubs. Your suggestion might also cut out a lot of these 'fly by nights' charging €100 a session and not really caring what medium term gain to players or a club is. It's all short termism. Be involved with a club who do well, get headhunted by another club will to give you €20 extra a session. This in turn would make clubs more self sufficient when they need to improve their facilities, acquire additional grounds and the likes. |
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