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Post by The16thMan on Aug 4, 2019 4:47:57 GMT
Kerry got a foothold in the game in the second half when they introduced Shane Enright & Jack Sherwood to toughen things up. It could be an idea to start them the next day when the early battle is going on. Bring in the lighter “skillful” players on 45/50 mins when the game might have softened and opened up. Yes they did well but we need to play attacking to start with against Tyrone. If we build up a bit if a lead Micky Harte will force his team to open up a bit which they are not used to doing. If we sit back and play defensive from the off and are slow with our build up than it will be playing right into Tyrones hands and they can get at us with their counterattack. Kerry need to have their scorers on the pitch so we can get scores under pressure because the likes of Barry, Sherwood & Tommy Walsh can't seem to hit a donkeys ar*e with a banjo going on todays viewing.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 4, 2019 6:38:58 GMT
Any frustrations with the game come from the false expectation of an easy win. Meath put it up to Donegal and Mayo and did likewise to us. They were playing at home with nothing to lose. They will be a difficult proposition in next year’s League. And we still won by 8 points without David Clifford. There has been a pattern to this year’s Championship games: we up our game against the better teams and struggle a bit against the weaker ones but still win. Whatever silliness is going on in Omagh this afternoon, if I were either manager I’d want to avoid Kerry like the plague and play to win
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 4, 2019 6:39:48 GMT
All Ireland's are not won easy but why make it harder? Does the loser tomorrow of Tyrone versus Dublin actually win? The runner up in this game gets an extra night off and arguably an easier semi-final. I think finishing second in that group is a big advantage. This is why all games in both groups should have been played off this evening. While opinions differ on here, I'm absolutely convinced Kerry will be meeting Dublin in a semi-final and it's what Jim Gavin will strategically plan for now. There's no way Jim Gavin will think that playing Mayo next Saturday evening is an easier route into an All Ireland final than playing this Kerry team at this stage of their development. No one in Dublin or elsewhere will care if a Dublin team lose a fixture to Tyrone tomorrow but ultimately end up winning 5 All Ireland's in a row. The smart play for Dublin is to make sure you end up playing this Kerry team in a semi-final and avoid Mayo at the moment and Jim Gavin is smart. Think about it for a second, I know Dublin can up their game at a moments notice but looking back at Galway last year, knowing a semi final place was secured, they didn't play Monaghan with half the intensity of the first two games and lost. They weren't able to up it a week later, and as I mentioned Dublin are a different unit in comparison to Galway and the circumstances are completely different for the opposition (Monaghan needing to win last year). I'd say Jim would want to keep that winning mentality, and the fringe players might want to show Jim that they're capable as well. No, seriously, you should think about it. Why risk it from a Dublin or Tyrone perspective? I’m not interested in I told you so and I’ve been calling this for a while and to me it’s pretty obvious. We'll all be wise after the event. Since the mirage of Donegal was exposed last night it’s even more obvious!! Now I’m no military strategist (Jim Gavin is) or anywhere near as smart when it comes to football as Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte but don’t tell me that playing Mayo next Saturday evening in Croke Park is an easier ticket than playing a young and still callow Kerry team in Croke Park. The smart play here today is to avoid Mayo if possible right now and take on Kerry. To me this scenario coming about has been obvious since the powers that be decided to break up the final round of fixtures over 2 days. We’re facing a farcical situation today and in the case of Jim Gavin his well able to put ego aside if it means winning an All Ireland. If Jim can see two heavyweights in Tyrone and Mayo go at each other he’ll be more than happy, as this means seeing one more genuine contender drop out. Jim Gavin and Dublin are far from spooked by Kerry at this stage and there’s no doubt the sheer madness of Mayo would spook them more right now. Moreover, why would Jim Gavin allow the possibility of this young Kerry team potentially get further experience of a big confidence boosting win in a Croke Park semi-final against other opposition? A big victory in Croke Park could light the torch paper for this young largely in-experienced and developing at this level Kerry team - why would Dublin allow this to happen? It would be far more difficult to beat Kerry in a final for Dublin than in a semi-final where Kerry hasn’t experienced winning in Croke Park for some time. All in all, Jim knows well the smart play here is lose a skirmish but win a WAR! Of course, Mickey Harte knows it too! We might see some own goals in Omagh at this stage!
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Post by jackiel on Aug 4, 2019 7:18:52 GMT
Great to see such a strong Kerry crowd, the Meath supporters who sauntered in late were not happy to find the stand full.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 4, 2019 8:00:03 GMT
Great to see such a strong Kerry crowd, the Meath supporters who sauntered in late were not happy to find the stand full. The stand seemed to be packed with Kerry supporters. An odd occurrence was the half time pitch invasion. Is this a Meath tradition? I thought it would delay the start of the second half but there was a very orderly withdrawal.
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2019 8:04:37 GMT
Lots of speculation that Tyrone's B-team ploy is a case of not wanting to show their hand to Jim Gavin as they expect to see the Dubs again in the final. I really don't uderstand what that expectation is based on.
Not saying they're a bad side but when was the last time Tyrone beat a really top team? They were somewhat accidental finalists last year and had a mediocre league in 2019. I wouldn't be afraid of them at all.
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Post by dart on Aug 4, 2019 8:10:36 GMT
Tyrone seem to have a notion that they have Kerrys number. They didn't in 2012 or 2015, or this spring even. Well I have a notion we'd be well able for them.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 4, 2019 8:16:49 GMT
I was switching between both games today and the Castle Bar game had about 10 times more atmosphere . Mayo brought the war and the Chaos Their attack needs work too much ball kicked away wastefully will not frighten anyone unless they fix this in a hurry . Donegal s sharpshooters had an off day Very hard to get excited about Kerry today but Meath have proved a handful for all comers this season for 60 min and same here today We are probably better than we looked but I agree Tyrone would rather meet Kerry no doubt I think Dublin will be happier playing Mayo Kerry spook Dublin I think it’s going to be a Kerry Dublin Final Hard to find the highlight positives today but some of our kicking was class Moran I’n particular What happened Gavin Crowley ? Jonathan Lyne continues to play well i didn’t like to see the heavy strapping on his knee Michael Burns in hindsight may be a better option than Moynihan who has not found his mojo yet this campaign . Burns being upset going off is a good sign for me a lot worse if he jogged off with a smile on his face. He must have not followed some instruction or other IMO but we need him to carry against Tyrone . Sherwood brought some “ dul chun cinn “ again when he came on Killian Spillane looks good Jack Barry looks refreshed might play an impact role if he can be reprogrammed to attack more Without Clifford we didn’t look as impressive but good to be able to function without him too Gavin Crowley took a blow to the head going for a ball about 5 mins before half time - I was surprised he took his place for the 2nd half as he must have been dazed - would worry about his availability for next week. I am not sure what Burns brings to the party - his scoring rate is poor & at times, he looks lost - nobody has tied down that wing forward position although Gavin White looks the best option that have been tested - maybe we could use Sherwood in the same role?
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Post by himself on Aug 4, 2019 8:21:41 GMT
I don't think Mickey Harte, or Jim Gavin for that matter, are over-thinking the game today. They have both already qualified, neither wants to show their hand in a meaningless game. I say 'meaningless' in that I don't think either will particularly fancy or fear Kerry or Mayo. They simply want to get game-time into players who mostly start on the bench and see their mettle when heat comes on, while avoiding injuries and taking the opportunity to rest some of the bigger guns. It's exactly what I would be doing in their place. It's probably disappointing for supporters who are forking over decent money for this game, but that's a problem with this appalling money-spinner of a format, not the managers.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 4, 2019 8:26:59 GMT
I’m not sure Tyrone think they have our number but at the end of the day what is the upside to fielding their full team today and going hell for leather? They are already safely through and it’s much of a muchness who they play in the semi. Mayo / Kerry are probably around the same level. I know we beat them well a few weeks ago but we were probably fortunate to play them when we did given their injuries and schedule.
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Post by pillar on Aug 4, 2019 9:42:16 GMT
Think the year is going well and according to plan.It took a bit longer than usual but the management are getting a tune out of Killian Spillane.Considering how good he was at minor it would have been the eight mystery of the world had he not made some impact.David Moran now has 3 options as partner,Spillane,Sherwood and Barry.Our full back and No.6 spots seem to be cemented. Everyone has got an opportunity to show their wares and we head into an All Ireland semi final looking forward to it.Considering some of Autumn Winter 2018/2019 opinions and some of the more recent ones (Sean Cavanaghs) theres been progress and the future does look bright.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2019 9:43:25 GMT
Kerry lost a lot of their own kickouts in the first half.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2019 9:48:45 GMT
The article i posted up last week about black cards said that White and SOB are two cards away from missing a game.... so i expect both can play in the semi final....but they would miss the final if Kerry are in it and they get another card of any colour. I am not sure though. I think it would have made sense to not play them v Meath. Meath have many fine players and gave Donegal, Mayo and Kerry plenty of it for 50 minutes. Mayo are through on four points after losing the first game. Home advantage is huge. Anyone who says otherwise is either a fool or is being disengenuous. Only the likes of John Horan would claim otherwise.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Aug 4, 2019 9:54:23 GMT
Dublin will win today cause there not bothered who they play next week. Talks of them fearing mayo . You must be joking me!!! As for kerry last nyt, not bad winning by 8 points and not playing well. Could be a big kick in them for next week!!
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Post by buck02 on Aug 4, 2019 10:13:46 GMT
Perfect preparation for next weekend. Play adequately, win pulling up and don't give much away.
Only blot in the copybook were the black cards but I expect an appeal on the O Brien one. It was only slightly less ridiculous than the black card the Meath fella got straight after. A case could be made that Whites was not a pull down too when you look at it in slow motion.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2019 10:17:33 GMT
Dublin to win today as they are the better team.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2019 10:19:13 GMT
Dublin will win today cause there not bothered who they play next week. Talks of them fearing mayo . You must be joking me!!! As for kerry last nyt, not bad winning by 8 points and not playing well. Could be a big kick in them for next week!! Mayo will give Dublin plenty of it next weekend.
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Post by homerj on Aug 4, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
Kerry lost a lot of their own kickouts in the first half. i counted 1-2 at least that came from that....i think we lost 4 in the first half. problem however was, there was no movement at all, compared to donegal game. when we went long (apart from the goal), we tended to do much better and also, when we forced meath to go long, we tended to do very well. very poor marking in their half from their kick outs at times. wont get away with that against Tyrone, Dublin or Mayo. navan a nice town for a game and a good kerry crowd there. ref was absolutely brutal again. and speaking of the meath goal, your man took about 7-8 steps before scoring it. countless other incidents where he got it horribly wrong.
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Post by tpo on Aug 4, 2019 10:43:19 GMT
Kerry played against a strong breeze in 1st half, being 1 up a HT the game was over as a contest.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 4, 2019 10:47:55 GMT
Dublin will win today cause there not bothered who they play next week. Talks of them fearing mayo . You must be joking me!!! As for kerry last nyt, not bad winning by 8 points and not playing well. Could be a big kick in them for next week!! Mayo will give Dublin plenty of it next weekend. They will until the 60th minute when their older legs and lack of depth will be exposed. Their chance is gone. How I hope I am wrong but I just don’t see it.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 4, 2019 10:49:45 GMT
I don't know how many times I have posted about Kerry's kick out strategy. For God's sake settle on a plan. We were all at sea with kick outs yesterday evening. Even though we won a fair share of them our display was not good enough and certainly would contribute to our Not beating Dublin. Watch a video of Dublin kiickouts. I know I'll be blasted for saying that but it needs to be said How long have we been watching Cuxton and what have we learned ?
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Post by oldschool on Aug 4, 2019 10:55:00 GMT
Well done Kerry supporters. Great to see support for the team. A good crowd of Kerry people in Navan yesterday evening.
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Post by homerj on Aug 4, 2019 10:55:58 GMT
I don't know how many times I have posted about Kerry's kick out strategy. For God's sake settle on a plan. We were all at sea with kick outs yesterday evening. Even though we won a fair share of them our display was not good enough and certainly would contribute to our Not beating Dublin. Watch a video of Dublin kiickouts. I know I'll be blasted for saying that but it needs to be said How long have we been watching Cuxton and what have we learned ? with moran in form, we should be isolating him and going long more in my opinion. but again, a world of a difference between yesterday and donegal game. i think that was down to strategy not many kerry lads played well yesterday.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 4, 2019 11:10:45 GMT
What is the story with Clifford any updates?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2019 11:17:03 GMT
I don't know how many times I have posted about Kerry's kick out strategy. For God's sake settle on a plan. We were all at sea with kick outs yesterday evening. Even though we won a fair share of them our display was not good enough and certainly would contribute to our Not beating Dublin. Watch a video of Dublin kiickouts. I know I'll be blasted for saying that but it needs to be said How long have we been watching Cuxton and what have we learned ? Cluxtons pre eminence was acknowledged on here long long before you joined in 2015.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 4, 2019 11:20:45 GMT
Clare, Cork and Meath gave Kerry plenty of it in midfield although all three have fine players in that sector it must be said.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Aug 4, 2019 11:23:47 GMT
Lads, Stephen o Brien and Gavin white!? Are they out for the semi final due to black cards or are they one away from been suspended ?
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Post by homerj on Aug 4, 2019 11:26:33 GMT
who got MOM on tv, i assume it was SOS?
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Post by taibhse on Aug 4, 2019 11:33:52 GMT
Jason Foley fell while in possession of the ball and attempted to fist away the ball on the ground. He was promptly penalised by the referee.
Am I correct in thinking that he was wrongly judged to have fouled the ball? It is my understanding that under the GAA rules, anyone who falls or is knocked to the ground is allowed to play the ball on the ground - as long as it is one strike. I think that this rule still exists and is constantly ignored by referees.
(ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
I have no memory of this rule being repealed or replaced and I don’t think it has.
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Post by diego on Aug 4, 2019 12:00:15 GMT
Jason Foley fell while in possession of the ball and attempted to fist away the ball on the ground. He was promptly penalised by the referee. Am I correct in thinking that he was wrongly judged to have fouled the ball? It is my understanding that under the GAA rules, anyone who falls or is knocked to the ground is allowed to play the ball on the ground - as long as it is one strike. Jason was on the ground with both hands on the ball when it just about touched the grass. So it was just a standard 'off the ground' call I think.
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