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Post by kerrygold on Aug 3, 2019 20:31:59 GMT
Home advantage is King right down to junior club football.
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 3, 2019 20:32:08 GMT
All Ireland's are not won easy but why make it harder? Does the loser tomorrow of Tyrone versus Dublin actually win? The runner up in this game gets an extra night off and arguably an easier semi-final. I think finishing second in that group is a big advantage. This is why all games in both groups should have been played off this evening. While opinions differ on here, I'm absolutely convinced Kerry will be meeting Dublin in a semi-final and it's what Jim Gavin will strategically plan for now. There's no way Jim Gavin will think that playing Mayo next Saturday evening is an easier route into an All Ireland final than playing this Kerry team at this stage of their development. No one in Dublin or elsewhere will care if a Dublin team lose a fixture to Tyrone tomorrow but ultimately end up winning 5 All Ireland's in a row. The smart play for Dublin is to make sure you end up playing this Kerry team in a semi-final and avoid Mayo at the moment and Jim Gavin is smart. Think about it for a second, I know Dublin can up their game at a moments notice but looking back at Galway last year, knowing a semi final place was secured, they didn't play Monaghan with half the intensity of the first two games and lost. They weren't able to up it a week later, and as I mentioned Dublin are a different unit in comparison to Galway and the circumstances are completely different for the opposition (Monaghan needing to win last year). I'd say Jim would want to keep that winning mentality, and the fringe players might want to show Jim that they're capable as well.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 3, 2019 20:39:48 GMT
Mayo v Dublin in Castlebar next weekend would be box office as would Dublin in Killarney be........
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 3, 2019 20:46:50 GMT
Dublin will call Tyrone's bluff and give their B team an almighty hammering.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 3, 2019 20:56:30 GMT
All Ireland's are not won easy but why make it harder? Does the loser tomorrow of Tyrone versus Dublin actually win? The runner up in this game gets an extra night off and arguably an easier semi-final. I think finishing second in that group is a big advantage. This is why all games in both groups should have been played off this evening. While opinions differ on here, I'm absolutely convinced Kerry will be meeting Dublin in a semi-final and it's what Jim Gavin will strategically plan for now. There's no way Jim Gavin will think that playing Mayo next Saturday evening is an easier route into an All Ireland final than playing this Kerry team at this stage of their development. No one in Dublin or elsewhere will care if a Dublin team lose a fixture to Tyrone tomorrow but ultimately end up winning 5 All Ireland's in a row. The smart play for Dublin is to make sure you end up playing this Kerry team in a semi-final and avoid Mayo at the moment and Jim Gavin is smart. Well going by your assumption Tyrone would rather play Kerry aswell so will both teams try and lose ? After just watching the Mayo vs Donegal game back this evening, I'm doubling down on my assessment and yes absolutely Tyrone would prefer to play this developing Kerry team than this battled hardened seasoned Mayo outfit. Tomorrow's match is taking on farcical proportions and the flaw in the system was not playing off all the final group games together. It’s absolutely farcical to be honest!
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Post by southward on Aug 3, 2019 21:05:35 GMT
Poorish enough by Kerry and we won't talk about the ref, but we got there in the end. For all the talk about Donegal, they're out of the championship losing by 4 points to mayo. Topped a tough group on paper..bring on Tyrone Indeed. But as 8-point away wins to top a Super 8 group go, that was pretty unsatisfactory.
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Post by fenit67 on Aug 3, 2019 21:22:58 GMT
Tyrone v Dublin is a rehearsal for the final. Kerry just do not have the necessary dirt for this level of football. Dublin do not receive special treatment but they push the boundaries, and legality, which is why rules are changed and referees adapt to different teams. The All-Blacks and to a lesser extent the Springboks are examples of teams who will always question the status quo and subsequently the methods available to them for winning. Kerry challenge nothing these days. The back-line has been a worry for many years but has anything been done to remedy that problem? I would say no. Opposition players know that they can waltz unmolested into the house. What should be happening is that as soon as they set foot over the 70 life should become distinctly uncomfortable. However this no longer happens as the herd is gathered on the 50 waiting for someone in the attack to make a mistake; oh woe is me and the state of football. Hand out a few lessons to the attackers and they will be less inclined to stray too far from home and they will mind their manners. Stop being polite and less of this half-arsed grabbing of jerseys that passes for a tackle and do it properly? A free or a yellow card may be given away but the memory of the incident will have a lasting impact. You don't score many points from the 70.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 3, 2019 21:23:33 GMT
I thought the Micheál Burns substitution was very harsh and in TV pictures he did not look happy and understandably so. Young Dara Moynihan made no discernable difference either so it's a hard one to understand. Maybe someone who attended could enlighten?
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Post by southward on Aug 3, 2019 21:32:07 GMT
I thought the Micheál Burns substitution was very harsh and in TV pictures he did not look happy and understandably so. Young Dara Moynihan made no discernable difference either so it's a hard one to understand. Maybe someone who attended could enlighten? Agree. Unless he was injured, I can't understand that call.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 3, 2019 21:34:12 GMT
I thought the Micheál Burns substitution was very harsh and in TV pictures he did not look happy and understandably so. Young Dara Moyniihan made no discernable difference either so it's a hard one to understand. Maybe someone who attended could enlighten? I thought exactly the same thing, I didn’t think he was doing all that badly & by his reaction he didn’t think so either. IMO a full Dublin team would take us by +5 pts, if they played Meath this evening they’d have won by 15 pts. Kerry could be anything on a given day but Dublin are good everyday &!id love to say otherwise but I think we’re miles off the pace. Thank god that seanie o Shea & David Clifford came along in the past few years or we’d be watching on television next weekend.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 3, 2019 21:34:27 GMT
I thought the Micheál Burns substitution was very harsh and in TV pictures he did not look happy and understandably so. Young Dara Moynihan made no discernable difference either so it's a hard one to understand. Maybe someone who attended could enlighten? I thought Burns was poor & found it hard to get up to the pace of the game - was surprised at the timing of the substitution but it would have been made @ h/t anyway. Moynihan contributed little though.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 3, 2019 21:44:11 GMT
I have been disappointed by Moynihan this year.
Tommy Walsh is not the answer. Caught one lovely ball. Offers little else.
I am not inspired by Shane Ryan.
Paul Murphy is not having his greatest year.
On a positive note, we ground out a decent win against a team that were hard to break down. 2.18 is a good total in any game.
We missed Clifford and his return will be vital.
Sean O Shea is a superstar.
I thought I was going to be drenched this evening but thankfully the rain moved away.
Looking forward to next weekend
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 3, 2019 21:47:24 GMT
Is James O Donoghue injured again
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 3, 2019 21:49:48 GMT
Is James O Donoghue injured again Yes - ongoing hamstring trouble.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 3, 2019 21:55:43 GMT
I thought the Micheál Burns substitution was very harsh and in TV pictures he did not look happy and understandably so. Young Dara Moynihan made no discernable difference either so it's a hard one to understand. Maybe someone who attended could enlighten? Really he was anonymous.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 3, 2019 21:59:35 GMT
I have been disappointed by Moynihan this year. Tommy Walsh is not the answer. Caught one lovely ball. Offers little else. I am not inspired by Shane Ryan. Paul Murphy is not having his greatest year. On a positive note, we ground out a decent win against a team that were hard to break down. 2.18 is a good total in any game. We missed Clifford and his return will be vital. Sean O Shea is a superstar. I thought I was going to be drenched this evening but thankfully the rain moved away. Looking forward to next weekend Tommy won every ball he had played to him. His finishing needs improving but you are harsh on him.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 3, 2019 21:59:57 GMT
Think this was the ideal preparation irrespective of next weekends opposition.
Away game, one foot in the semi , needed to get the job done.
Tough physical battle, a struggle for 45 minutes but ground it out at the finish.
A few observations:
* Switching Foley & Morley didn’t work & hard to understand why it was done
* Shane Enright is still needed in defence
* Need more from our half forward line - Burns/Moynihan both struggled tonight - maybe we could restore Jack Barry to midfield & deploy Adrian Spillane to 10/12
* Seán O’Shea is All Star material at the moment.
Management will be happy enough - no David Clifford, 2-18 on the board , still work to be done.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 3, 2019 22:01:29 GMT
Most underwhelming 8 point win ive seen ... Kerry are not far away and im mighty impressed with the management. Making calls early and not being affraid. Kerry are coming, maybe not this year but we are close.
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Post by giveandgo on Aug 3, 2019 22:04:59 GMT
Whats the story with Kevin mccarthy? Is he injured or off the panel?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 22:11:32 GMT
Burns did not really impact the game and neither did Moynihan
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Post by gbbuei on Aug 3, 2019 22:20:57 GMT
I thought Moynihan was excellent in the League. Exactly the kind busy all action wing forward you’d need and chipped in with a couple of scores. Bit of attitude about him too.
He has been very disappointing all Summer though.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 3, 2019 22:27:01 GMT
I thought Moynihan was excellent in the League. Exactly the kind busy all action wing forward you’d need and chipped in with a couple of scores. Bit of attitude about him too. He has been very disappointing all Summer though. He had a broken bone in his foot in the league final & only lasted the first half - think he has been struggling for fitness since then.
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Post by southward on Aug 3, 2019 22:30:24 GMT
I have been disappointed by Moynihan this year. Tommy Walsh is not the answer. Caught one lovely ball. Offers little else. I am not inspired by Shane Ryan. Paul Murphy is not having his greatest year. On a positive note, we ground out a decent win against a team that were hard to break down. 2.18 is a good total in any game. We missed Clifford and his return will be vital. Sean O Shea is a superstar. I thought I was going to be drenched this evening but thankfully the rain moved away. Looking forward to next weekend Tommy won every ball he had played to him. His finishing needs improving but you are harsh on him. Thought he did well this evening but, since coming back from Oz, he seems totally unable to kick a football. One effort at the end tonight was particularly lamentable, dropping short from around 10 yards out. Hard to imagine this is the same player who kicked those monster points in the 09 final.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 3, 2019 22:47:21 GMT
Tremendous achievement to top the group unbeaten. Well done to the players and everyone associated with the team.
It wasn’t a great game this evening but it was all about the result and they got the job done. David Cliffords health is surely the biggest concern ahead of next weekend, I know Peter Keane player it down on Sky but if he is not right for next weekend it makes the task a lot more difficult.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 3, 2019 22:58:30 GMT
Tommy won every ball he had played to him. His finishing needs improving but you are harsh on him. Thought he did well this evening but, since coming back from Oz, he seems totally unable to kick a football. One effort at the end tonight was particularly lamentable, dropping short from around 10 yards out. Hard to imagine this is the same player who kicked those monster points in the 09 final. He was ruined physically by AFL injury. He is immobile. I respect that he has stuck with it for the last couple of years but he is not the answer to any number of questions. If he didnt leave after 2009 he could have been a legend of the game but he is not the same player who left. On a slight tangent, what ever happened to his younger brother who looked to be an even better player at minor
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Post by southward on Aug 3, 2019 23:06:55 GMT
Thought he did well this evening but, since coming back from Oz, he seems totally unable to kick a football. One effort at the end tonight was particularly lamentable, dropping short from around 10 yards out. Hard to imagine this is the same player who kicked those monster points in the 09 final. He was ruined physically by AFL injury. He is immobile. I respect that he has stuck with it for the last couple of years but he is not the answer to any number of questions. If he didnt leave after 2009 he could have been a legend of the game but he is not the same player who left. On a slight tangent, what ever happened to his younger brother who looked to be an even better player at minorBarry John Walsh was the star turn up to U21. I remember watching himself and BJK shooting the lights out as Kerry destroyed a fancied Cork team in the 2010 U21 MF in Tralee. He played league for the seniors shortly afterwards. Went to America then and that was that. Don't think he really had the committment levels for a senior IC career
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 3, 2019 23:13:27 GMT
It was a pity. I remember him destroying Cork in a minor Final.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 4, 2019 0:06:55 GMT
Kerry were flat in the first half but regrouped in the 2nd just conceding 4 points. That is impressive, while the overall feeling is underwhelming it’s still to be expected from a young team. The Dubs would have won out by 10-14 points against this Meath team who were playing at home. From now on though they have to kick the lights out, no holding back against Tyrone. I hear Tyrone are making 15 changes. That’s a pity and a flaw with the system. They are going to give up the game to get an extra days rest, that is shameful but then I suppose, puke football and all that.., I’m not sure anyone can say who is harder Kerry or Mayo in Croke Park but I’d prefer to avoid Kerry really. The other thing is you can upset your own team when you start to play silly games. Players prefer to play, playing a B team is not good for morale and any discontent can affect the A team, hopefully it will play in to Kerry’s hands,
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 4, 2019 0:24:27 GMT
I was switching between both games today and the Castle Bar game had about 10 times more atmosphere . Mayo brought the war and the Chaos Their attack needs work too much ball kicked away wastefully will not frighten anyone unless they fix this in a hurry . Donegal s sharpshooters had an off day
Very hard to get excited about Kerry today but Meath have proved a handful for all comers this season for 60 min and same here today We are probably better than we looked but I agree Tyrone would rather meet Kerry no doubt I think Dublin will be happier playing Mayo Kerry spook Dublin I think it’s going to be a Kerry Dublin Final
Hard to find the highlight positives today but some of our kicking was class Moran I’n particular What happened Gavin Crowley ? Jonathan Lyne continues to play well i didn’t like to see the heavy strapping on his knee Michael Burns in hindsight may be a better option than Moynihan who has not found his mojo yet this campaign . Burns being upset going off is a good sign for me a lot worse if he jogged off with a smile on his face. He must have not followed some instruction or other IMO but we need him to carry against Tyrone . Sherwood brought some “ dul chun cinn “ again when he came on Killian Spillane looks good Jack Barry looks refreshed might play an impact role if he can be reprogrammed to attack more Without Clifford we didn’t look as impressive but good to be able to function without him too
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Post by backothehill on Aug 4, 2019 4:34:18 GMT
Kerry got a foothold in the game in the second half when they introduced Shane Enright & Jack Sherwood to toughen things up. It could be an idea to start them the next day when the early battle is going on. Bring in the lighter “skillful” players on 45/50 mins when the game might have softened and opened up.
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