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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 4, 2019 20:28:09 GMT
Gavin White or Gavin Crowley and Paul Geaney or James O’Donoghue will be the big selection calls. Moran and Barry will be our starters at midfield but what options have we on the bench? It is obvious Mark Griffin is not good enough, he gives away way too much ball and is poor in the air. Adrian Spillane is an ok option to have on the bench and I would also have Gavin O’Brien on the bench. Apparently he has been struggling in training but I think he would still be a good option on the bench covering midfield and half forward. We do not have too much on the bench in either of these areas.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 4, 2019 20:41:00 GMT
Its not really practical in the modern game to say to a forward player just let your man go and we will take care of it. Not unless you play an all out blanket defence. Eventually the opposition will get an overload and a spare man. As for moving Sean O'Shea because of how he is refereed, i don't think thats realistic to be honest. Would it be a starting midfield of Moran and O'Shea or Barry and O'Shea?
O'Shea is not slouch by any means but, him and Moran together as a combination is too slow. Him and Barry together would be horsed out of it. Not unless Barry develops a mean streak. Or what happens if one of Moran or Barry get injured and we end up with a O'Shea and Mark Griffin combo closing out the game. Neither of which have much senior inter county game time at the midfield under their belt.
I think ideally we would have have a driving midfielder that would invite tackles and draw defenders in to release space for SOS. This should be Jack Barry but his progress has stalled, long term will be DOC
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 20:59:41 GMT
Massive void in midfield with none of the minor midfielders from the first few minor wins coming through. I cant remember seeing Kerry so lacking in midfield before. Not a shore-able void in my opinion and it will cost the team massively over the next few seasons.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2019 21:21:02 GMT
I disagree that the full forward line have to track back after marauding corner backs.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2019 21:45:55 GMT
I disagree that the full forward line have to track back after marauding corner backs. Did you see Paul Mannions goal saving interception in last years final? I agree with you in an ideal would but we need all our players working their backsides off when we dont have the ball.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 21:55:33 GMT
I disagree that the full forward line have to track back after marauding corner backs. Did you see Paul Mannions goal saving interception in last years final? I agree with you in an ideal would but we need all our players working their backsides off when we dont have the ball. How much tracking back does Dean Rock do & BB before him?, both specialist scorers..............
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Post by taggert on Jun 4, 2019 21:56:16 GMT
I disagree that the full forward line have to track back after marauding corner backs. I disagree strongly. The workrate, tackling and ground covering required today, as exhibited by Mayo and Dublin at the business end of the Championship, does not lend itself to guys taking a breather or hoping the system will look after their man/marker. Even the free takers in every team, who were afforded such restful luxuries once upon a time - such as Dean Rock and Cillian O'Connor - put in a shift up and down the pitch, plughing the gaps to prevent overloads and offloads.
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Post by taggert on Jun 4, 2019 21:58:23 GMT
Did you see Paul Mannions goal saving interception in last years final? I agree with you in an ideal would but we need all our players working their backsides off when we dont have the ball. How much tracking back does Dean Rock do & BB before him?, both specialist scorers.............. BB has been well and truly phased out for a fitter, faster player with higher workrate.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 21:59:37 GMT
How much tracking back does Dean Rock do & BB before him?, both specialist scorers.............. BB has been well and truly phased out for a fitter, faster player with higher workrate. Age & injury.............Rock doesn't track back..................
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 4, 2019 22:04:00 GMT
Gooch didn't do us much good in his own half back line.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 22:06:07 GMT
A corner back must be in clover when a corner forward follows him down the length of the field.
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Post by taggert on Jun 4, 2019 22:06:10 GMT
BB has been well and truly phased out for a fitter, faster player with higher workrate. Age & imjury.............Rock doesn't track back.................. I beg to differ on Rock KG. I go to Dublin games as I live up here and he does - even watch him after he kicks a score. He holds his man, follows him, blocks runs, forms part of the Dublin screen and works tirelessly usually culminating in fresh legs coming on for him towards the end of games. No Dublin player is afforded the not tracking back privilege - it does not happen.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 22:09:29 GMT
Age & imjury.............Rock doesn't track back.................. I beg to differ on Rock KG. I go to Dublin games as I live up here and he does - even watch him after he kicks a score. He holds his man, follows him, blocks runs, forms part of the Dublin screen and works tirelessly usually culminating in fresh legs coming on for him towards the end of games. No Dublin player is afforded the not tracking back privilege - it does not happen. Ok I'll take a closer look taggart. He never struck me as putting in the same heavy yardage Mannion does. He looked fairly fresh kicking the winning free in 2017?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 4, 2019 22:24:11 GMT
That's the conundrum facing management. Can such a system be implemented that allows someone like PG or DC remain up the pitch without affecting our defensive solidity? Or do you gamble and say as long as we get enough ball in the middle we can outscore the opposition by leaving PG and DC up the pitch. Do you trust our current midfield to win that amount of ball?
Or do you do what EF tried to do and string a rake of players across our 45 and hope to get the ball up the pitch to the 2 inside men quick enough?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2019 7:28:51 GMT
I disagree that the full forward line have to track back after marauding corner backs. I disagree strongly. The workrate, tackling and ground covering required today, as exhibited by Mayo and Dublin at the business end of the Championship, does not lend itself to guys taking a breather or hoping the system will look after their man/marker. Even the free takers in every team, who were afforded such restful luxuries once upon a time - such as Dean Rock and Cillian O'Connor - put in a shift up and down the pitch, plughing the gaps to prevent overloads and offloads. Two out of three ain't bad.
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Post by taggert on Jun 5, 2019 7:43:24 GMT
I disagree strongly. The workrate, tackling and ground covering required today, as exhibited by Mayo and Dublin at the business end of the Championship, does not lend itself to guys taking a breather or hoping the system will look after their man/marker. Even the free takers in every team, who were afforded such restful luxuries once upon a time - such as Dean Rock and Cillian O'Connor - put in a shift up and down the pitch, plughing the gaps to prevent overloads and offloads. Two out of three ain't bad.I take your point. But looking at PG for example, I'm not sure he has been hitting the mark on any of those 3 for quite some time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 8:55:04 GMT
David Moran is 31 or thereabouts.Has had 2 cruciate injuries. Unlikely to have the full 70 mins in his legs. I think this is where we miss Maher to be honest. If he was fully fit it would be great to split the 70 mins between him and Moran. Jack Barry hasn't kicked on at all and at the moment only seems to play well in a spoiling role when he is given a job to mark someone like Fenton. Diarmuid O'Connor is some prospect but, still is very young and very light. If Kerry are in a 1 point game with a Galway or Donegal in the super 8's with 10 mins left in Croke Park is it really Mark Griffin you want to turn to to bring us home of Moran is spent? He's too jittery when in possession and gives it away too easily. Maybe this can be worked on I don't know. I don't agree with moving Sean O'Shea out there. While he might get more space there he is further back from goal. And we are creating another problem for ourselves in CHF. Who plays at 11? JOD isn't a centre forward. While he is a good passer etc and can do a job at club level you need someone that can win the breaks as well which Sean O'Shea is well able. He did well enough at corner forward the last day so if he is fit play him there. Whisper it quietly but, is Paul Geaney in danger of being dropped? Apart from last year against Cork he had a poor campaign and was taken off in Clones if I remember correct. Will Peter Keane go with a 2 man full forward line and look for an extra man in the middle third to buttress midfield and supply the 'bullets' as veteran put it for the snipers inside. My starting 15 for the MF assuming all are fit, ( And Gavin O'Brien) is still out of favour is: Ryan Tom O'Sullivan Morley Jason Foley Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O'Connor Sean O'Shea Dara Moynihan David Clifford Stephen O'Brien James O'Donoghue Diarmuid O'Connor to help out the middle and SOB to drop out to the half forward line as needed. Ya this looks to be the best we have at the moment. A Spillane seemed to be doing well, but it all fell apart in the second half and he cant be blamed for that, it was a team / Mgt issue. Thought he did well overall. If Griffin and Lyne are still appearing off the bench we have no hope of AI. Hopefully the the game closers would be P Geaney, G Crowley, T Walsh, A Spillane, possibly G O Sullivan or Enright, who are sizeable and fairly experienced now at this level bar O'Sullivan.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 5, 2019 9:40:35 GMT
Do people really want to see Clifford and Geaney chasing their men in to the defence? The opposition would love that and will be taking them on a tour of the field at every opportunity. I don’t think either of those two (assuming that is the two inside forwards) should retreat past the opposition 40. If their men go then every now and again we will get a turnover and they will be completely unmarked. I doubt even the most daring teams will do it all game.
For all the talk of mannion and rock chasing back yes they do it at times but not all game, I’m sure dontfoul or one of the other stat guys will have looked at this. If all of your forwards are chasing back your shape is gone and you can’t work scores yourself. If we are clinging on to a lead then yes guys have to muck in but for me we should leave minimum 2 up top and a link man between them and the ball for when we get turnovers. Once the opposition get caught out a few times they won’t be long keeping their defenders in place.
Surely 10-11 outfield players back is enough to defend with the right system? At the very least you can force the opposition in to a low percentage attempt. We have some of the best forwards in the game and need to back them rather than have them playing as defenders. It may take some time to get our system right where we are defending well enough to make this work.
If we are not winning well against Cork (now a Div 3 side) then it’s hard to have much hope for the rest of the year. The amount of niggly injuries we are picking up has to be a worry though. We don’t have the depth to be carrying 4-5 first choice players injured, getting our best midfield fit in time for july is particularly critical. I wonder are the injuries down to the workload involved in trying to peak in July?
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 5, 2019 16:37:03 GMT
Do people really want to see Clifford and Geaney chasing their men in to the defence? The opposition would love that and will be taking them on a tour of the field at every opportunity. I don’t think either of those two (assuming that is the two inside forwards) should retreat past the opposition 40. If their men go then every now and again we will get a turnover and they will be completely unmarked. I doubt even the most daring teams will do it all game. For all the talk of mannion and rock chasing back yes they do it at times but not all game, I’m sure dontfoul or one of the other stat guys will have looked at this. If all of your forwards are chasing back your shape is gone and you can’t work scores yourself. If we are clinging on to a lead then yes guys have to muck in but for me we should leave minimum 2 up top and a link man between them and the ball for when we get turnovers. Once the opposition get caught out a few times they won’t be long keeping their defenders in place. Surely 10-11 outfield players back is enough to defend with the right system? At the very least you can force the opposition in to a low percentage attempt. We have some of the best forwards in the game and need to back them rather than have them playing as defenders. It may take some time to get our system right where we are defending well enough to make this work. If we are not winning well against Cork (now a Div 3 side) then it’s hard to have much hope for the rest of the year. The amount of niggly injuries we are picking up has to be a worry though. We don’t have the depth to be carrying 4-5 first choice players injured, getting our best midfield fit in time for july is particularly critical. I wonder are the injuries down to the workload involved in trying to peak in July? This article gives an insight into what the Kerry forwards were doing against Mayo in terms of defensive work. www.balls.ie/gaa/kerry-defensive-system-408462
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 5, 2019 20:31:18 GMT
Do people really want to see Clifford and Geaney chasing their men in to the defence? The opposition would love that and will be taking them on a tour of the field at every opportunity. I don’t think either of those two (assuming that is the two inside forwards) should retreat past the opposition 40. If their men go then every now and again we will get a turnover and they will be completely unmarked. I doubt even the most daring teams will do it all game. For all the talk of mannion and rock chasing back yes they do it at times but not all game, I’m sure dontfoul or one of the other stat guys will have looked at this. If all of your forwards are chasing back your shape is gone and you can’t work scores yourself. If we are clinging on to a lead then yes guys have to muck in but for me we should leave minimum 2 up top and a link man between them and the ball for when we get turnovers. Once the opposition get caught out a few times they won’t be long keeping their defenders in place. Surely 10-11 outfield players back is enough to defend with the right system? At the very least you can force the opposition in to a low percentage attempt. We have some of the best forwards in the game and need to back them rather than have them playing as defenders. It may take some time to get our system right where we are defending well enough to make this work. If we are not winning well against Cork (now a Div 3 side) then it’s hard to have much hope for the rest of the year. The amount of niggly injuries we are picking up has to be a worry though. We don’t have the depth to be carrying 4-5 first choice players injured, getting our best midfield fit in time for july is particularly critical. I wonder are the injuries down to the workload involved in trying to peak in July? This article gives an insight into what the Kerry forwards were doing against Mayo in terms of defensive work. www.balls.ie/gaa/kerry-defensive-system-408462Yes that was happening in front of me that day and I think that’s the template going forward, you simply cannot have a talent like David Clifford chasing defenders all over the place. He can kick a score from anywhere around the D and that is where he is needed. Geaney’s form is alarming, he surely still had it but needs to kick on now against cork. Great to see JOD flying but watching him limp off has become an unfortunately familiar sight at this stage. I think Saturday showed us how vital David Moran is to Kerry. We fell apart when he departed, he must be one of the most under appreciated players we’ve had, there are continuing calls from some fans to drop him etc. If we can get himself, Jack Barry and one of O’Sullivan or Spillane operating around the middle and get Murphy back in that half back line we will look a much better unit I think. Depth is an issue though. As some have already alluded to it is disappointing that none of our midfielders from the minor teams are involved, surely Rob Se from an Gaeltacht or young Barry Sullivan from Dingle are at least as good as Griffin to cover midfield? Does anybody know who else is on the extended panel?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 5, 2019 21:00:41 GMT
Didnt see the article from Balls before. If that is the system then fair enough. Who are going to be the 2 men that are our designated scorers? I presume is Clifford and one from Geaney / JOD / Tommy Walsh
Who plays the link man role McCarthy had in the league final now McCarthy has been jettisoned from the panel? Obviously management want someone with the pace to get up to the attack once passing off the ball. I don;t think Stephen O'Brien is not suited to it as he doesn't play with his head up and first instinct is to carry the ball not pass. Sean O'Shea management want to play that bit deeper I think.
Is someone like Dara Moynihan or Michael Burns able for it? Mikey Geaney has shown he can do it at club level but, never really at kerry level? If we didnt have a need for him in the backs Paul Murphy could do the job
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 5, 2019 23:04:37 GMT
Didnt see the article from Balls before. If that is the system then fair enough. Who are going to be the 2 men that are our designated scorers? I presume is Clifford and one from Geaney / JOD / Tommy Walsh Who plays the link man role McCarthy had in the league final now McCarthy has been jettisoned from the panel? Obviously management want someone with the pace to get up to the attack once passing off the ball. I don;t think Stephen O'Brien is not suited to it as he doesn't play with his head up and first instinct is to carry the ball not pass. Sean O'Shea management want to play that bit deeper I think. Is someone like Dara Moynihan or Michael Burns able for it? Mikey Geaney has shown he can do it at club level but, never really at kerry level? If we didnt have a need for him in the backs Paul Murphy could do the job On Saturday it was Geaney in that withdrawn role but it’s not his natural game at all, perhaps he might grow in to it. JOD has played that role before at times and it doesn’t suit him either imo. Sean O’Shea or David Clifford could easily play the link role but are needed elsewhere. Nobody else jumping out at me from the current panel. Kevin McCarthy was ideal for that job and it’s a pity he is out of the equation, he had or has massive potential imo. Jack savage looked really good when he came in a few years back and is a player that would suit that job too but he never kicked on for whatever reason, I believe he is away in the US this summer, seemed to be out of favour anyway.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 6, 2019 9:12:04 GMT
'I try not to take too much notice of it' - Kerry star Clifford on ignoring the hype and his side's prospects Donnchadh Boyle
At various points in David Clifford's career, there were chances to perhaps take another path.
At underage level, he was a keen soccer player with Killarney Celtic. And just as he was coming to national prominence with a string of brilliant performances for underage Kerry and school teams, he was persistently linked with a move Down Under to the AFL, like many of Kerry's best and brightest have been over the past few years.
Talent like his is always going to open doors and bring big opportunities. But in Clifford's mind, at least, Kerry, Killarney and Croke Park were always his preferred destinations.
"I played a lot of soccer yeah, with Killarney Celtic, we'd a few great years, played a load of soccer. To be honest, it was great," he says.
"(Kerry) would have been (the big aim) I suppose. I played some Kennedy Cup as well, and everybody in the Kennedy Cup thought they were going to be signed (professionally).
"Actually there was a player with us, Rian O'Sullivan (who) went to Brighton, and he was unbelievable. But after that settled down, we saw the reality, and Kerry was the focus."
He insists, too, that the links to Australia were baseless, describing the near constant speculation as "just talk", despite an official AFL Twitter account championing his talents.
"I'd say a lot of it was just talk, word just kind of got around then, I don't know where from. But there was nothing at all to be honest.
"I was very focused, once Éamonn (Ftizmaurice) gave me the call, to break into the (Kerry) team. I didn't want to be... Not that it was a distraction, because I didn't even let it become that. I didn't want it to get in the way."
Kerry came knocking as soon as he was available. It's hard to remember a minor footballer carrying greater expectation ahead of a senior championship campaign than Clifford did going into 2018. The previous year, as captain of the Kerry minors, he hit 8-41 in the championship, including 4-4 in the final against Derry.
Along with Seán O'Shea, he was fast tracked past the Kerry U-20s and straight into the senior team.
Somehow, he managed to live up to the promise, hitting 4-14 from 23 shots on goal across three games in the 'Super 8s' alone, which helped him earn an All-Star in his first season with Kerry.
A shoulder injury saw him make a delayed start to this campaign, but there has been no sign of second-season syndrome so far this year.
However, that's not to say he doesn't feel pressure before big games.
"You would a small bit, I suppose it's only natural to be nervous. It's just trying to keep a lid on the nerves.
"As people say, if you have no nerves, it's probably a bad sign. But when the first ball is thrown in, you kind of settle. When you get on that first ball, it's kind of all good from there."
And he insists that he tries not to pay attention to the expectations that have been placed on him.
"I just tried not to take too much notice of it, what talk was going on, just keep the head down, get a place on the team, that was my focus. I don't think anything else that was going on outside was important to me.
"I suppose last year was a great experience," reflects Clifford at the launch of Avonmore's blueberry flavour protein milk.
"Just the grounding is kind of over, I know what to expect. It's about trying to perform consistently now."
The winter brought its challenges and a shoulder injury required intervention that saw him miss the early part of the season. But as one door closed, a window opened and Clifford used the down-time to add some bulk to an already considerable frame.
"The big thing was the physicality of it and needing to be nice and strong and compact to be able to take the hits, that was the main thing. The physicality and still trying to bring your own attributes to the game, while taking hits, but keep your same traits that have got you this far in football, not going away from that too far.
"I had a bit of a prolonged preseason that I wouldn't have had otherwise so it probably helped me if anything, I got to do a bit of extra everything really, extra thinking even."
Kerry got off to a winning start in the championship and head to Páirc Uí Chaoimh for a Munster final clash with fierce rivals Cork. However, he insists they have plenty to work on despite a fairly comfortable win over Clare last Saturday night.
"We probably got a small bit sloppy, which you can't do because you need to push on and be ruthless. There's plenty of room for improvement, which mightn't be an overly bad thing."
Irish Independent
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 6, 2019 13:33:10 GMT
Kerry wont really challenge Dublin or an in the mood Mayo till:
they get 50% or 55% possession from all kickouts.....
they stop losing possession like MG and TW did in the second half of the league final
they stop finishing big games with less players on the pitch than the opposition.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 9, 2019 9:19:52 GMT
There are so many question marks over this Kerry team and I don't envy our management in trying to answer them. If you think we only have problems in our midfield and backs, well think again.
I wonder if those minds that were already made up and closed 3-4 years ago about Conor Cox now wonder if Conor would be a viable option these days for our full forward line? Personally, I always thought Cox had tremendous potential for inter-county and was a scoring machine, the primary function of any forward.
Our leader in the full forward line and our Mr dependable right now, is David Clifford. In only his second season, and at just aged 20, this is remarkable. The talent of James O'Donoghue is unquestionable, an absolutely brilliant forward that one picks everyday when fit. However, can we depend on James given his susceptibility to injury breakdown to last an entire game let alone a Championship campaign? Clearly the evidence is we cannot. Paul Geaney was poor last year in the Super 8s’ and is no leader and how could he be when the man has enough to do to just sort out his own game. He’s clearly been hampered too by back injuries which required operations and in truth his probably lucky to be playing at all. I suspect his days in a Kerry jersey after this season are numbered.
It’s been a long-winded point but the point I’m trying to make is we need another Mr dependable in that full forward line with David Clifford. How ironic it is that Conor Cox formerly of the Kerry parish has been Roscommon’s Mr dependable in league and Championship this season because he’d be in my full forward line with David Clifford. James O’D would be the other forward if fit? Paul Geaney would be an off the bench man for me at best these days but I’m not sure management can continue to be as patient with Paul after this season. It seems to me the weight of the full forward line and our Mr dependable for this season in that full forward line will primarily be David Clifford while we hope others don’t breakdown or indeed hope one other just show up. Kerry are walking a tight rope.
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Post by mystic86 on Jun 9, 2019 23:49:32 GMT
Nothing on the season ticket website yet for this, when do they normally become available on there to use the bring a friend option etc.?
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Post by theumpire on Jun 10, 2019 0:27:29 GMT
There are so many question marks over this Kerry team and I don't envy our management in trying to answer them. If you think we only have problems in our midfield and backs, well think again. I wonder if those minds that were already made up and closed 3-4 years ago about Conor Cox now wonder if Conor would be a viable option these days for our full forward line? Personally, I always thought Cox had tremendous potential for inter-county and was a scoring machine, the primary function of any forward. Our leader in the full forward line and our Mr dependable right now, is David Clifford. In only his second season, and at just aged 20, this is remarkable. The talent of James O'Donoghue is unquestionable, an absolutely brilliant forward that one picks everyday when fit. However, can we depend on James given his susceptibility to injury breakdown to last an entire game let alone a Championship campaign? Clearly the evidence is we cannot. Paul Geaney was poor last year in the Super 8s’ and is no leader and how could he be when the man has enough to do to just sort out his own game. He’s clearly been hampered too by back injuries which required operations and in truth his probably lucky to be playing at all. I suspect his days in a Kerry jersey after this season are numbered. It’s been a long-winded point but the point I’m trying to make is we need another Mr dependable in that full forward line with David Clifford. How ironic it is that Conor Cox formerly of the Kerry parish has been Roscommon’s Mr dependable in league and Championship this season because he’d be in my full forward line with David Clifford. James O’D would be the other forward if fit? Paul Geaney would be an off the bench man for me at best these days but I’m not sure management can continue to be as patient with Paul after this season. It seems to me the weight of the full forward line and our Mr dependable for this season in that full forward line will primarily be David Clifford while we hope others don’t breakdown or indeed hope one other just show up. Kerry are walking a tight rope. This rewriting of Conor Cox being overlooked has gone over the top, well done and fair deuce to the guy he is doing well with Roscommon and am happy to see it, but he wasn't even playing well for listowel last year not to mind to start for Kerry and I saw him on a couple of occasions for them. Guy looked nowhere fit. The fact is there is about 10 inside forwards in Kerry that are or were on coxs level over the last number of years.
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Post by glengael on Jun 10, 2019 8:53:40 GMT
Kerry wont really challenge Dublin or an in the mood Mayo till: they get 50% or 55% possession from all kickouts..... they stop losing possession like MG and TW did in the second half of the league final they stop finishing big games with less players on the pitch than the opposition. Very succinct summary and covers a lot of our problems.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 10, 2019 11:10:11 GMT
This rewriting of Conor Cox being overlooked has gone over the top, well done and fair deuce to the guy he is doing well with Roscommon and am happy to see it, but he wasn't even playing well for listowel last year not to mind to start for Kerry and I saw him on a couple of occasions for them. Guy looked nowhere fit. The fact is there is about 10 inside forwards in Kerry that are or were on coxs level over the last number of years. Ten you say? All ready to show up and rock at senior inter-county level should James O’Donoghue be injured or Paul Geaney isn’t able to return to form. Maybe you’re right and this season will show a lot about the quality we have available. I do hope in the next couple of years Peter Keane will be in a position like Jim Gavin with inside forwards like Cormac Costello and Paul Mannion who he can bascially set his watch to show up and perform - no excuses. For all their undoubted class and talent, I do wonder where an injury prone James O’D and an inconsistent Paul Geaney be in Jim Gavin’s pecking order of forwards should they be under his watch? Like you suggest maybe we have so many luxuries for our inside line we don't need to worry about it. Regardless, hopefully both James and Paul are going to be available to Kerry for the rest of this Championship and performing at there best along with young Clifford in that vital inside line.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 10, 2019 15:51:39 GMT
I agree some what about the rewriting of Conor Cox abilities once he moved to Roscommon. I don't ever remember a massive clamor or out cry that he wasn't getting games for Kerry. He was around the league panel on and off for a few years between 14-17. He is a shoot on sight player and can take on too much at times. That's fine in Roscommon when I suppose he is the main man. You can't have that attitude in Kerry where you will have Clifford, Geaney, JOD and others.
Peter Keane wants to play with 2 inside forwards. These lads have to be able to take the percentage scores as well as bring others into play consistently. Geaney, Clifford and JOD when on form are all better at this. Hence why BJK was dropped.
Not to say Cox couldn't be a panel member that could do a job wit injuries and suspensions etc. For all we know he could have had a conversation with Keane wh said he couldn't guarantee he would make the panel where as he would be a definite starter for Ros. Everyone says we are 1/2/3 years away from an All Ireland so at least if he went to Ros he would get games.
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