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Post by backothehill on Jun 1, 2019 20:09:40 GMT
Come on you lot, give us some reports.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 1, 2019 20:43:29 GMT
Had to rely on Kerry radio coverage , Ambrose very critical of referee decisions. Maybe some of you who were there can clarify if he was as poor as was made out. Paul Murphy and Peter Crowley seemed to be big losses. Losing David Moran added to our woes. Great to hear that Jameso was flying it. Midfield continues to be a serious issue and other opposition will punish that deficit. A win is a win and maybe it's a good thing that it wasn't a facile victory.
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Post by parishexile on Jun 1, 2019 20:56:24 GMT
Bit of a strange game with black cards, injuries and lengthy injury time. Goalkeeper and backs did fine, foley,tos,morley and sher wood the pick. gavin crowley stuck to brennan but found him bit too strong. David Moran deserved black card,Spillane battled away broke a lot of ball, half forward line good, o brien taken off as was on yellow needs to be more careful,o se is very brave he stands up when required,o Connor ok, o donoughe took goal well but struggled with shooting I thought, clifford showed well set up goal, geaney s a mystery .... m griffin and g white pick of subs. Seemed to pick up injuries to tos o donoughe and o se maybe concussion. Tough game job done move on. getting to semi final will be difficult but these young lads are good stick with them and maybe bring in more. ... lads from 14 need to look at themselves.
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Post by piggott on Jun 1, 2019 21:09:02 GMT
Jameso was buzzing first half. Worrying to see him hobble off. Hamstring? David Moran could have done with game. They seem to have lost concentration second half. Gavin White came on and looked good. Foley better than I have seen him. Tadhg Morley sound. Wonder why they took off Sherwood must be injured. Good that Cork won well. Looking forward to MF.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 1, 2019 21:24:34 GMT
From the Irish Examiner:
Kerry fail to impress in laboured win over Clare, By Stephen Barry
Clare 0-12 - 1-15 Kerry
Kerry made hard work of seeing off Clare in heavy conditions to book a Munster final spot against Cork in three weeks’ time.
The Cusack Park hosts’ resistance appeared broken by a run of 1-6 before the break, with James O’Donoghue’s bullet goal seemingly clinching the tie, but Clare never threw in the towel despite trailing by as many as 11 points after the resumption.
They ended six behind without getting any closer to a 13-man Kerry, who had Mark Griffin sent-off after two bookings and Tommy Walsh black carded after all their subs were used. They had been outscored 0-9 to 0-6 in the second period, with Clare scoring eight of the last ten points.
The Kerry performance certainly left plenty of room for improvement, with three early goal chances squandered and long scoreless stretches during a laboured second-half showing that saw them amass only five points in front of 5,037 spectators foregoing the draw of the Champions League final. It did give Keane a chance to run his bench, but they didn’t rescue the situation. James O’Donoghue being withdrawn after seeming to feel a slight hamstring twinge and Sean O’Shea walking off after a clash of heads with Kevin Hartnett, who was worryingly stretchered off only after a significant stoppage, gave both managers some reason for concern.
Colm Collins endured a sixth Championship defeat to Kerry in his sixth year as manager, although his side emerged with pride from their late revival.
Kerry started seven debutants against Clare last year at Fitzgerald Stadium, a 0-32 to 0-10 demolition job. This year there were another four, with Robert Wharton making it five from the bench.
The win looked safe by the interval, though, with Kerry finally taking the air out of Clare’s tyres with a scoring streak of 1-6 to a point in a 14-minute spell to make it 1-9 to 0-3 at the break.
They had found themselves only 0-3 to 0-1 ahead after 23 minutes, and David Moran black carded by then too (a decision which took many by surprise), but they could’ve had three goals inside the first quarter. Conall Ó hAiniféin made a diving block to stop a Stephen O’Brien shot, taken after he had been knocked to the ground, from finding the bottom corner. Then, Sean O’Shea and Paul Geaney hit either post in quick succession, with O’Shea’s chance particularly glaring after his dummy forced third-choice goalie Stephen Ryan out of position.
Points from David Moran, Geaney, and David Clifford were Kerry’s only return from that period but they kicked on with three frees to weaken Clare’s resolve.
A debut point from Diarmuid O’Connor was Kerry’s first score from play in 19 minutes when it arrived on the half-hour, but Clifford added another before James O’Donoghue rocketed a goal to the net in the 34th minute. That came from good work by Clifford, but finished superbly when many more would’ve settled for a point. Clifford almost added another goal before the break, but Cian O’Dea got a goal-saving block.
Clare’s struggle for scores continued on from the Waterford game, in which they scored 0-9, but no-score after the 38th minute. Eoin Cleary and David Tubridy kicked fine late scores - over an hour of action after that last point from play.
The second-half looked a formality, despite plenty of Kerry toil and errors, until Clare narrowed within that nine-point deficit late on.
Highlights for Kerry were a debut score from Adrian Spillane and a Micheál Burns point from play, but there were many more lowlights as Clare dominated the middle third, isolating the Kerry attack. When Cleary, Jamie Malone, and Tubridy, with a fine long point, kicked three in a row for Clare, they were back to 1-14 to 0-9 behind.
Then, Mark Griffin got sent-off for a second yellow card and Malone kicked a score from the resulting play. The gap was seven.
The long stoppage for Hartnett’s head injury took the sting out of the game.
Malone restarted things with a third point, Clare’s fifth in a row, although Jason Foley responded for Kerry in the 87th minute - their first since an O’Shea free in the 56th minute.
Cleary scored his fifth point but then missed a costly close-in free that would’ve closed the gap to five. When Tubridy’s low ‘65 was flicked wide, James Molloy concluded the game after 21 minutes of added time.
Scorers for Clare: E Cleary (0-5, 3 frees); D Tubridy (1 free); J Malone (0-3 each), C O’Connor (0-1).
Scorers for Kerry: S O’Shea (0-5 frees); J O’Donoghue (1-1); D Clifford (0-3, 1 free); D Moran, P Geaney, D O’Connor, A Spillane, M Burns, J Foley (0-1 each).
CLARE: S Ryan; K Hartnett, C Brennan, G Kelly; S Collins, A Fitzgerald, C Ó hAiniféin; C O’Connor, S O’Donoghue; E Cleary, G Brennan, J Malone; C O’Dea, D Tubridy, D Bohannon. Subs: G Cooney for Bohannon (40), D Ryan for Ó hAiniféin (BC, 42), K Malone for O’Donoghue (49), E Collins for S Collins (53), C Murray for C Brennan (61), A Sweeney for Hartnett (70+10).
KERRY: S Ryan; J Foley, T Morley, T O’Sullivan; S Enright, J Sherwood, G Crowley; D Moran, A Spillane; D O’Connor, S O’Shea, S O’Brien; D Clifford, P Geaney, J O’Donoghue. Subs: M Griffin for Moran (BC, 18), G White for Sherwood (ht), M Burns for O’Brien (45), R Wharton for Crowley (49), T Walsh for O’Donoghue (53 inj), J Lyne for O’Shea (70+2 inj). Red card: M Griffin (66). Unreplaced black card: T Walsh (70+16).
Referee: J Molloy (Galway).
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Post by homerj on Jun 1, 2019 21:38:54 GMT
the bad collision happened with 3 minutes to go. the game resumed on 46 minutes. can anybody tell me how the ref managed to add another 11 minutes?
bizzare.
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Post by homerj on Jun 1, 2019 21:43:50 GMT
is 21 minutes of injury time, the longest in championship history?
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Post by fitz on Jun 1, 2019 22:14:22 GMT
The point was well made by MickMack in an earlier post regarding finishing with 15 players on the pitch. Needlessly losing Moran, Griffin and big Tommy is definitely the losing of a tight game. Discipline needs to improve.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 1, 2019 22:21:54 GMT
Just landed home now. Drove to Dublin via Galway road to avoid any ambushes.
Ref was extremely peculiar throughout. Clare were very defensive in first half and had nothing up front. They threw off the shackles in th second half.
James O had his head pushed into the turf when he was on the ground and went off after when he kicked a bad wide. Just seemed to walk off himself from.what I saw. Must have been hurt.
We were poor in second half. Sherwood was playing well and I was surprised to see him go off. Must have had a niggle.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 1, 2019 22:23:27 GMT
On the subject of Big Tommy, at one stage he looked as if be could hardly run after a ball.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 1, 2019 22:41:18 GMT
Just landed home now. Drove to Dublin via Galway road to avoid any ambushes. Ref was extremely peculiar throughout. Clare were very defensive in first half and had nothing up front. They threw off the shackles in th second half. James O had his head pushed into the turf when he was on the ground and went off after when he kicked a bad wide. Just seemed to walk off himself from.what I saw. Must have been hurt. We were poor in second half. Sherwood was playing well and I was surprised to see him go off. Must have had a niggle. Jameso kicked a bad wide off his right & signalled immediately to the bench that he needed to come off. We were so poor in the 2nd half - disjointed, poor decision making, lost our shape. The substitutions were baffling - Rob Wharton, Jonathan Lyne - no Brian O’Beaglaoi/ Graham O’Sullivan. Our defence in the 2nd half read : Foley, Morley & White Enright, Wharton , O’Sullivan with Adrian Spillane & Mark Griffin in midfield. Our forwards really misfired especially in the 2nd half - 6 points, 3 from Free’s plus Burns, Spillane & Foley - dreadful stuff.
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Post by john4 on Jun 1, 2019 23:13:58 GMT
Having witnessed that, if we win the allireland this year 'twlill make the ambush at Kilmichael look like child's play. Clare gave it everything they got to their credit, they fought to the bitter end to the point where they hadn't the energy to put over handy enough chances towards the end. If this game proves anything it's that the league and the championship are unrelated in terms of intensity. Massive, massive improvement needed in almost every aspect of our game. Hope the Clare player that was stretchered off makes a full and speedy recovery, looked like a nasty collision.
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Post by homerj on Jun 2, 2019 8:09:17 GMT
i think its better to play like that and be tested that winning by 22 and 18 points and sailing into super 8s untested like last year.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 2, 2019 10:17:12 GMT
i think its better to play like that and be tested that winning by 22 and 18 points and sailing into super 8s untested like last year. I would agree to a certain point but in the second half we were very poor; outscored by 0-9 to 0-06, Clare kicked a few bad wides, lobbed a few into Ryan's hands and struck an upright - we offered nothing in attack - David Clifford took a heavy knock when kicking a wide in the first half and seemed to jolt his right knee, not sure if he was ok to continue, seemed restricted somewhat; Jameso went off having played well but by and large Paul Geaney was anonymous all through - seemed to drift away from the edge of the square a lot but never really got into the game - same could be said for the half forwards with the exception of Diarmuid O'Connor who played really well and was industrious all through - neither Sean nor Stephen seemed to get to the pace of the game which is a worry. Our troubles in the second half stemmed from the middle eight with little input from our half forward line and a poor midfield - David Moran was a loss and we badly need Jack Barry/Diarmuid O'Connor in this sector - Mark Griffin is not a midfielder and sadly neither is Adrian Spillane - Spillane, for me, lacks the physical edge and is too easily brushed off the ball - he has no presence under a dropping ball and its hard to see him continue in the team. Our half back line with the exception of Tom O'Sullivan ( when moved there in the 2nd half) played second fiddle with none of Shane Enright, Gavin Crowley, Jack Sherwood or Rob Wharton standing out - we badly need Paul Murphy and Gavin White to perform here along with Tom O'Sull. The full back line was rarely troubled given Clare's defensive set up; Shane Ryan did ok but his kick outs will need to be improved on. Overall, a curates egg type of performance with none of the fringe players offering much and it is hoped that our absentees from last night - Paul Murphy, Jack Barry, Dara Moynihan are fit to face Cork.
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Post by glengael on Jun 2, 2019 10:24:58 GMT
Thanks for the reports. It sounds like a game of 2 halves then. What did Moran do to merit the Black card? You'd expect better from our most senior player.
Where has Geaney's form gone? He has seemed out of tune for a long while now.
It does sound like we need all the injured parties possible back for the 22nd. And quickly find our scoring boots collectively.
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Post by homerj on Jun 2, 2019 10:43:34 GMT
ya if you look at it -
murphy, barry both missing, moynihan too. white on the bench after injury. moran black card JOD off. clifford injured. SOS injured. finished with 13. delay of 10+ mins then
hugely distributed night overall.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 2, 2019 11:07:01 GMT
Thanks for the reports. It sounds like a game of 2 halves then. What did Moran do to merit the Black card? You'd expect better from our most senior player. Where has Geaney's form gone? He has seemed out of tune for a long while now. It does sound like we need all the injured parties possible back for the 22nd. And quickly find our scoring boots collectively. Moran stretched for a ball & tripped an opponent - ref had little choice but to issue a black. I think Geaney is suffering from our system of playing 2 inside - he was being asked to track & tackle - don’t think it suits him. Paul is most dangerous inside, possibly @ 13, not full forward.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 12:36:44 GMT
Thanks for the reports. It sounds like a game of 2 halves then. What did Moran do to merit the Black card? You'd expect better from our most senior player. Where has Geaney's form gone? He has seemed out of tune for a long while now. It does sound like we need all the injured parties possible back for the 22nd. And quickly find our scoring boots collectively. Moran stretched for a ball & tripped an opponent - ref had little choice but to issue a black. I think Geaney is suffering from our system of playing 2 inside - he was being asked to track & tackle - don’t think it suits him. Paul is most dangerous inside, possibly @ 13, not full forward. I always thought Paul's game lost major traction when not playing at fullforward for kerry? I hate to see great forwards having to track back, hard to know if Kerry can develop a game plan that leaves the three snippers inside mostly, JOD, PG & DC. Kerry are going to have major problems finding four midfield players in the medium term. Diarmuid O'Connor is going to become top class at midfield I think.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 12:44:47 GMT
i think its better to play like that and be tested that winning by 22 and 18 points and sailing into super 8s untested like last year. I would agree to a certain point but in the second half we were very poor; outscored by 0-9 to 0-06, Clare kicked a few bad wides, lobbed a few into Ryan's hands and struck an upright - we offered nothing in attack - David Clifford took a heavy knock when kicking a wide in the first half and seemed to jolt his right knee, not sure if he was ok to continue, seemed restricted somewhat; Jameso went off having played well but by and large Paul Geaney was anonymous all through - seemed to drift away from the edge of the square a lot but never really got into the game - same could be said for the half forwards with the exception of Diarmuid O'Connor who played really well and was industrious all through - neither Sean nor Stephen seemed to get to the pace of the game which is a worry. Our troubles in the second half stemmed from the middle eight with little input from our half forward line and a poor midfield - David Moran was a loss and we badly need Jack Barry/Diarmuid O'Connor in this sector - Mark Griffin is not a midfielder and sadly neither is Adrian Spillane - Spillane, for me, lacks the physical edge and is too easily brushed off the ball - he has no presence under a dropping ball and its hard to see him continue in the team. Our half back line with the exception of Tom O'Sullivan ( when moved there in the 2nd half) played second fiddle with none of Shane Enright, Gavin Crowley, Jack Sherwood or Rob Wharton standing out - we badly need Paul Murphy and Gavin White to perform here along with Tom O'Sull. The full back line was rarely troubled given Clare's defensive set up; Shane Ryan did ok but his kick outs will need to be improved on. Overall, a curates egg type of performance with none of the fringe players offering much and it is hoped that our absentees from last night - Paul Murphy, Jack Barry, Dara Moynihan are fit to face Cork. Good post, pretty much sums the night and the performance. I think yesterday bore all the hall marks of a team cobbled together after a long break for a first round NFL game with little done. While the April window is great for the appearance of the Kerry club fixtures schedule the jury is out as to what it contributes to the development of Kerry team. You certainly wouldn't get away with it if required to play to play two top end games in June to remain in the championship. I thought Jack Sherwood did OK and looks like a player that could developed well into a sweeping role for Kerry if, they went down that route.............
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 12:47:28 GMT
i think its better to play like that and be tested that winning by 22 and 18 points and sailing into super 8s untested like last year. Kerry just did enough to get through this game. Nothing more or nothing less.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 2, 2019 13:59:38 GMT
Moran's black card "offence" happened in front of where I was standing and I did not see a "black card offence" - another poster mentioned he tripped a clare player as he reached for a ball. I dont think this description merits a black - black is for deliberate tripping. Moments before the incident Moran was being held in a two armed hug by a Clare player, preventing him from getting to the ball. Overall I thought the referee had a poor performance with bad decisions both ways but predominantly against Kerry. The Clare #13 who was the "victim" for our second black card was playing sweeper all night and was in the face of Kerry players from the first whistle - after running into Walsh he lay polaxed on the ground until the black card was issued, he then Lazarus like jumped up and played on. On the game itself, we had a decent first half and should have been further ahead at half time - Clare regularly had 14 behind the ball and we hit both uprights, had a clear penalty denied and still won the half by 9. Second half was a different story and a lack of leadership combined with what I can only believe is thinking the game was over and won meant our performance dropped off alarmingly. Some good lessons learned by the team and management - the hope is that they learn from the lessons and take appropriate action.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2019 15:33:21 GMT
Moran stretched for a ball & tripped an opponent - ref had little choice but to issue a black. I think Geaney is suffering from our system of playing 2 inside - he was being asked to track & tackle - don’t think it suits him. Paul is most dangerous inside, possibly @ 13, not full forward. I always thought Paul's game lost major traction when not playing at fullforward for kerry? I hate to see great forwards having to track back, hard to know if Kerry can develop a game plan that leaves the three snippers inside mostly, JOD, PG & DC. Kerry are going to have major problems finding four midfield players in the medium term. Diarmuid O'Connor is going to become top class at midfield I think. maybe PGeaneys was minding himself for the Comortas na Gaeltachta today
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 15:54:10 GMT
Hardly likely to get clearance to play in that.
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Post by taggert on Jun 2, 2019 16:10:16 GMT
I always thought Paul's game lost major traction when not playing at fullforward for kerry? I hate to see great forwards having to track back, hard to know if Kerry can develop a game plan that leaves the three snippers inside mostly, JOD, PG & DC. Kerry are going to have major problems finding four midfield players in the medium term. Diarmuid O'Connor is going to become top class at midfield I think. maybe PGeaneys was minding himself for the Comortas na Gaeltachta today No doubting the ability of JOD or PG to kick scores but big question marks over both with regards to their stomach for the battle and their legs against the best defences (fittest, fastest, angriest and dirtiest). The truth is that the last 2 seasons would suggest that their best form is behind them both and I dont see both starting together at the business end of the year.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2019 16:32:22 GMT
Hardly likely to get clearance to play in that. It could be his last chance of competitive action before the super 8
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 2, 2019 17:21:47 GMT
Disappointed enough by our performance last night to be honest. Pity it can't be watched back as I presume it will get about 5 mins on the Sunday game. We seemed to lack a certain cohesion. Our backs while not greatly troubled just seem uneasy and totally unbalanced. I cant out my finger on it.
Watching last night I dont know whats going on with JOD and PG. JOD seems to have lost a yard of pace or the belief in his ability to take a man on the outside. Geaney has been poor for a while now. Apart from the turkey shoot in PUC last year his 'slump' is hitting 2 years. Tommy Walsh looked very heavy legged or just off the pace. Maybe it wasnt as obvious on the soft ground during the league.
Spillane is not midfielder, i dont know if he is up to this level. Thought DOC played well. Moran looked good while he was one. We have a distinct lack of depth in the panel i believe. We were missing Jack Barry from midfield due to injury but, we cant be expecting Moran to finish a game if he starts. Is Mark Griffin really the next best man to come in and steer a ship for home.
Cork put up a good score and with Kerrigan, Collins, Connolly, and Hurley knocking around they should give our defence a good rattle. With ian mcguire and ruari deane as well around the middle 8 they could it could be a good test
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 17:32:03 GMT
Hardly likely to get clearance to play in that. It could be his last chance of competitive action before the super 8 Ya.........
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 2, 2019 17:49:01 GMT
If PG doesnt play v An Gaeltacht it is a big price to have to pay to be a county man. This is a fantastic community based competition. I would be down about it if i were in his shoes given that its being held back west.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 2, 2019 17:57:56 GMT
Nothing new here for being a county man, happening all the time.
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Post by diego on Jun 2, 2019 19:34:01 GMT
Nothing new here for being a county man, happening all the time. Pól Ó Cuinn interviewed before the game, said they were not too happy their county players Brian and Tomás were told they could only play 30 minutes at most.
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