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Post by dc84 on Aug 21, 2019 8:01:54 GMT
Padraic Maher is some piece of kit at 6. Granite & marble all rolled into one. The hurling field is competitive with multiple counties good enough to win it. Big challenge to retain the championship. Maher is the leader. Savage competitor. Built like a tank too. It seems that Richie Hogan wasnt wearing a proper helmet. Cathal Barrett caught him when trying to flick the ball away. If Richie had the proper faceguard he wouldnt have been cut at all on the nose. You could say that about all three mahers in fairness and 4 when Bonner comes back next year
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 21, 2019 8:51:02 GMT
Maher is the leader. Savage competitor. Built like a tank too. It seems that Richie Hogan wasnt wearing a proper helmet. Cathal Barrett caught him when trying to flick the ball away. If Richie had the proper faceguard he wouldnt have been cut at all on the nose. You could say that about all three mahers in fairness and 4 when Bonner comes back next year Are they all related?
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Post by dc84 on Aug 21, 2019 9:08:38 GMT
You could say that about all three mahers in fairness and 4 when Bonner comes back next year Are they all related? No padraig and Ronan are brothers, mahers seem to be to tipp hurling what o Sullivan are to kerry football!
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 21, 2019 10:54:57 GMT
Quote from Ritchie Hogan on his red card
"I stayed away from it earlier on - but I was going in for a shoulder on Cathal Barrett, he stepped inside and my momentum took me through.
"In my opinion, there was absolutely no way it was a sending-off.
"It was clear as day to anyone at the match, what I was trying to do.
His shoulder is miles from Barrats and his elbow clearly tries to bridge the gap - I think most agree he was trying to reply to the earlier incident. They just can't come to grips with the rules being applied. He was probably unfortunate to catch him the way he did but his intent was to get him back for the earlier challenge.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 21, 2019 12:01:16 GMT
Quote from Ritchie Hogan on his red card "I stayed away from it earlier on - but I was going in for a shoulder on Cathal Barrett, he stepped inside and my momentum took me through. "In my opinion, there was absolutely no way it was a sending-off. "It was clear as day to anyone at the match, what I was trying to do. His shoulder is miles from Barrats and his elbow clearly tries to bridge the gap - I think most agree he was trying to reply to the earlier incident. They just can't come to grips with the rules being applied. He was probably unfortunate to catch him the way he did but his intent was to get him back for the earlier challenge. Your elbow does rise in a shoulder. Still believe the ref got it right though.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 21, 2019 13:19:00 GMT
No padraig and Ronan are brothers, mahers seem to be to tipp hurling what o Sullivan are to kerry football! Cheers dc84. Bonner Maher is another gem. Great to see Tipp winning three in a decade.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2019 13:29:02 GMT
The Galway hurling manager has resigned.
This time last year two lads from the same club in Tipp were going for the Tipp job and some players wanted one and more wanted the other.
Then Sheedy signalled that he was interested and the county board moved at speed to appoint him.
Will he stay on now though?.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2019 8:56:34 GMT
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Jackie Tyrrell: Hogan’s red card didn’t cost Kilkenny the All-Ireland Cats’ long-ball tactics in the second half literally played into Tipperary’s hands
Jackie Tyrrell Follow about 3 hours ago
As people, as hurling people and sports people, it’s amazing how easily we get distracted at times. Instead of talking about the bigger themes, we get bogged down in incidents and talking points. A lot of the time, we move on before giving things their due. Everything is about the next outrage or the next flashpoint. We definitely lose something along the way.
Everybody in Ireland knows what the main talking point out of last Sunday’s final was. Richie Hogan was sent off in the 33rd minute and the game changed drastically around the same time. Add one to the other and even people who were only half-watching the game knew what the narrative was straight away. So Richie has had five days of being the most famous man in the country.
Look at all the airtime and column inches that have been devoted to it since 4.03pm last Sunday.
All the nuance and shades of grey in the game disappeared as soon as James Owens gave him the line. The upshot of it all is that people have spent the week talking about the wrong thing. The sending off didn’t decide the All-Ireland final. Tipperary decided the All-Ireland final.
The momentum had shifted before the red card happened Go back and watch the 10 minutes before the red card. Paudie Maher and Séamus Kennedy switched flanks and just that one little switch did so much to click Tipperary into the gear they wanted. Kilkenny had made the better start but six of their first eight points had come from frees by TJ Reid. They were five points up but it was a grinding performance.
Tipperary were trying to grind too but once they switched Maher and Kennedy, they started to get a lot more flow into their play. They weren’t as stuck on their own puck-out as they had been in the opening period and they were starting get their forwards into it.
Bubbles O’Dwyer found himself in wide open territory twice in the space of a minute – he didn’t score either time because he maybe had too long to think about it but it was a sign that Tipp were starting to find space, which is never good for the opposition.
The point I’m making is that the momentum had shifted before the red card happened. And the fact that the sending off was so controversial has robbed Tipperary of their due in the days that have followed. All week, assessment of Tipp’s performance has been diluted by people focusing on the sending off. As a result, I don’t feel the general reaction to their win has done them justice.
This was an awesome display of controlled, measured and clinical hurling. I have yet to see a performance as good as it when it comes to the use of an extra player. Cathal Barrett’s display as the extra man was superb. His positioning was impeccable, his reading of where the breaks were falling was clever and his distribution of the ball was simple and effective.
I thought it was interesting that he was given the job and not Paudie or Brendan Maher who had played that role throughout this championship. It was just another good call in a long list of correct decisions by Liam Sheedy.
Right option When I think of Tipp in 2019, Sheedy’s ability to consistently pick the right option is the thing that springs to mind. Think of the decisions he got right this year. Firstly to come back at all in the first place. After that, the quality of the backroom team he put together. Bringing in Eamon O’Shea midway through the spring, just when the real hurling training would have been starting as the weather improved.
Related GAA have no plans to look at enhancing role of video refereeing Antrim club’s special championship showcasing the heart of the GAA GAA Statistics: Could Jack Barry be first to nullify Brian Fenton? Look at the decision to make Séamus Callanan captain, to position Bubbles at centre-forward, to turn Brendan Maher into the go-to man-marker for the opposition talisman, to turn Noel McGrath into a midfielder. These are guys who had been around for a long time and Sheedy was able to reinvent them, to freshen them up.
Or look at what he did with younger players too – playing Barry Heffernan against Wexford out of the blue, positioning Ronan Maher at full-back, turning the perceived minus of an unexperienced bench into the huge plus of a youthful and impactful core of subs who came in buzzing in both the semi-final and final.
Tipperary’s year was shaped by these decisions and Sheedy got every last one of them right. That’s massively to his credit and massively to the players’ credit as well.
Tipperary’s year was shaped by big decisions and Sheedy got every last one of them right. That’s massively to his credit and massively to the players’ credit as well. Photograph: Oisín Keniry/Inpho Tipperary’s year was shaped by big decisions and Sheedy got every last one of them right. That’s massively to his credit and massively to the players’ credit as well. Photograph: Oisín Keniry/Inpho I have been critical of some of these Tipperary players plenty of times in the past. I’ve called them flaky and inconsistent on the biggest days. There’s no way those charges can be levelled at them in 2019.
Whether it’s Sheedy’s doing or their own, they have attained a level of consistency this year that has made them worthy champions. They have developed a steely resolve and you could see in the last 25 minutes against Wexford and again on Sunday that they have demanded and taken ownership and leadership of their team. When it was absolutely needed in times of crisis, it was there. That’s how you win All-Irelands.
It shouldn’t come as a huge surprise to anybody. I did say I felt there was a sting in this Tipperary team when asked about them on RTÉ after the All-Ireland quarter final. There has never been a doubt about their skill-set or abilities. But it was only right to question their mindset and attitude at times due to substandard performances down the years. This summer was different.
For Kilkenny, it was a really disappointing day all-round. The performance over the 70 minutes wasn’t at the level you need in an All-Ireland final and no more than it dilutes the assessment of the Tipp display to put the result down to the sending off, it equally glosses over the Kilkenny one.
For what it’s worth, having looked back at it plenty of times, I still feel that it was a harsh red card. Every action in a game has a context and I don’t see it as fair to judge incidents without looking at that context. Barrett’s foul on Richie earlier in the game wasn’t malicious but it was reckless. He caught him in the face with the hurl and he drew blood.
Yellow card I’m not saying Barrett should have been sent off or even that he should have got a yellow card. But if that happens in a game and the referee’s judgement is that it’s only a free, then the players on the field are going to draw their own conclusions from that decision. You’re thinking, ‘Okay, that’s the sort of game we’re in, the ref is allowing a bit of leeway because it’s lashing out of the heavens – good to know.’
For Richie to then get sent off for a clumsy tackle, with no leeway given, is, in my view, harsh. It’s applying a stricter standard to one tackle than he did to the other 15 minutes earlier. I get that you’re supposed to take each incident on its merits but down on the pitch in a high-intensity All-Ireland final, everything that happens affects everything else. Even more so when it comes to big refereeing decisions.
To send anyone off in an All-Ireland final, you need to be 100 per cent sure. James Owens’s body language didn’t convince me that he was certain in his mind. The foul was reckless from Richie, no question. But he had already seen– and felt – a reckless foul on him without a card being drawn. Add in the conditions and the fact that he has a fairly clean disciplinary record and I thought there was easily enough grey area there for Owens to give him a yellow.
The momentum had shifted before the red card happened. And the fact that the sending off was so controversial has robbed Tipperary of their due in the days that have followed. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho The momentum had shifted before the red card happened. And the fact that the sending off was so controversial has robbed Tipperary of their due in the days that have followed. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho But again, it should be stressed that the red card didn’t cost Kilkenny the All-Ireland. Plenty of teams – and plenty of Kilkenny teams among them – have gone down to 14 men and still played way, way better than they did in that second half. The question that has to be asked of everyone involved is why they were so poor after half-time.
Everyone should appreciate a great team with great players and a great manager. The year belongs to Tipperary Kilkenny played into Tipperary’s hand by pumping long high ball into an area of the field where Tipp players not only outnumbered the Kilkenny ones who were there but were also being joined by more Tipp bodies flooding back into that area.
Okay, try it once, twice, even three times but when it doesn’t work any one of those times you have to change. Kilkenny didn’t and with every Tipp defender who came out with the ball, the roars in the stands just got louder.
Kilkenny needed to vary their play a bit more when the long ball wasn’t working for them. They could have run the ball. Or they could have played it shorter. Or they could have directed balls into the corner to take out the extra defender and make space for on-running half-forwards. But they didn’t do any of that.
Huge influence I felt as well that they could have used Conor Browne in a spoiling role on Noel McGrath to try and limit his influence. As it was, Noel was awesome and had a huge influence on the game. On a human level, it was brilliant to see him do it, back at the peak of his powers and performing at an elite level.
Kilkenny had a mountain to climb after that dominant period from the 35th to the 45th minute when Tipperary ran riot. The second half was built on puck-out dominance – Kilkenny were sucking for oxygen and only had a 25 per cent success rate off puck-outs in this period while Tipperary were operating off 85 per cent.
And of course, this Tipperary team have a potent attack. After 23 minutes, they had a mere 0-03 scored. In the following 23 minutes, they scored 3-11. That’s just lethal! I don’t see any other team out there who could have made that kind of turn around. They all chipped in.
Everyone should appreciate a great team with great players and a great manager. The year belongs to Tipperary.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2019 8:58:46 GMT
KKs tactics were clueless after the red card. Will any KK pundit come out and say it?
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 23, 2019 9:16:33 GMT
KKs tactics were clueless after the red card. Will any KK pundit come out and say it? A friend who played underage hurling for Galway has been telling me for years that Cody never yet changed a game, that he is not a tactician. I watched the final with a bunch of people and said this to them when we saw the continuous high ball in. And true to form they persisted with it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2019 11:55:48 GMT
TG4 at 6pm tomorrow evening has the u20 hurling final. A repeat of the munster final between Cork and Tipp. Jake Morris goaled in the last second to pip Cork in the Munster Final and the rematch promises to be a great contest again.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2019 8:23:54 GMT
Enda McEvoy is a KK journalist and he had a long rambling article about the decade in hurling but there is a sting in the tail of it for Cody...
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2019 8:29:37 GMT
By Enda McEvoy Follow @endaendamac95 Cody in the same place he’d found himself 15 years ago. Once again Kilkenny were well beaten on the big day. Once again there was nothing wrong with their spirit, drive, or attitude. Once again it was his entire strategic approach to the game that called out for contemplation and renewal.
Most of their deliveries from deep in the third quarter last Sunday went either intentionally to Colin Fennelly (outnumbered) or unintentionally to Cathal Barrett (spare). Once more his troops found it beyond them to
unpick opponents fielding an extra defender. Once more they could think of nothing more profound than the long, straight, bog-standard, easily defendable ball. And this while Tipperary had Eamon O’Shea.
This was pre-Griffin Wexford, the long ball to the ghost of Tony Doran on the edge of the square. Even Jack Charlton would have blushed.
We’ve been here over and over again, dating back to Henry Shefflin’s dismissal in the 2013 All-Ireland quarter-final at Semple Stadium. Is it that Kilkenny do not practise for 14 against 15 — surely not, given the frequency of their meetings with Davy Fitz’s Wexford — or is it that the players are so hardwired to lamp any oul’ kind of ball forward, with the imprimatur of the boss, that they revert to first principles under pressure?
Kilkenny are not only unable to do lateral thinking, they don’t want to try. Intellectual laziness, anti-intellectualism, or both. If Cody was the right man to manage the county on Sunday morning, which of course he was, then he is the right man to manage them next year.
With one huge proviso. His coaching structure is no longer fit for purpose. Reissue, repackage, repackage, re-evaluate the songs. Rip it up and start again.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 24, 2019 20:35:09 GMT
Tipp players pick up senior & u20 medals in the space of a week, meanwhile DC, SOS, DOC and their team mates lose out in a committee boardroom................
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2019 21:11:42 GMT
Tipp players pick up senior & u20 medals in the space of a week, meanwhile DC, SOS, DOC and their team mates lose out in a committee boardroom................ Its hard to understand how different rules can apply alright to the two codes if burnout is the issue. They even allowed a round robin in u20 football ....how can that be squared with stopping burnout
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