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Post by kerrygold on Jun 17, 2019 12:36:23 GMT
The Five in a Row is the surest thing in Irish sport this year. Really only is a question of how many, 5,6,7,8..........................in a row.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 17, 2019 12:47:41 GMT
The Five in a Row is the surest thing in Irish sport this year. Really only is a question of how many, 5,6,7,8..........................in a row. Hard to argue really ! Pity it should be the hardest I don't remember 82 but when tipp stopped Kilkenny in 2010 the final the year before the same team put them to the test. Getting harder and harder to see any team that will even give them a game a lot of the pretenders look a good bit behind at This stage.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 17, 2019 12:53:32 GMT
The Five in a Row is the surest thing in Irish sport this year. Really only is a question of how many, 5,6,7,8..........................in a row. Hard to argue really ! Pity it should be the hardest I don't remember 82 but when tipp stopped Kilkenny in 2010 the final the year before the same team put them to the test. Getting harder and harder to see any team that will even give them a game a lot of the pretenders look a good bit behind at This stage. There is nothing out there to challenge/beat the game they play. Light years ahead of the chasing pack.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 17, 2019 13:32:52 GMT
Aye, but Dublin haven’t won Leinster yet! Lols What’s so funny? Stranger things have happened though! I was there in 2010 when Meath put 5 goals past the Dubs. That was a fun day! Maybe it could happen again.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 17, 2019 13:49:25 GMT
What’s so funny? Stranger things have happened though! I was there in 2010 when Meath put 5 goals past the Dubs. That was a fun day! Maybe it could happen again. Be a bigger shock now in fairness both teams have gone in totally different directions since. Be some Craic if they did and then drew mayo in round 4 to be played in thurles now that would be a fun day!
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Post by kot on Jun 17, 2019 14:28:30 GMT
There is an utter pointless feel about this whole championship for me..... we are all just marching in step to slaughter by the Dubs.
Great scenes for Rossies yesterday yeah, but honestly..... whats the point?
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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2019 15:00:06 GMT
There is an utter pointless feel about this whole championship for me..... we are all just marching in step to slaughter by the Dubs. Great scenes for Rossies yesterday yeah, but honestly..... whats the point? The point is only one team can the All-Ireland and I suspect at the outset Roscommon would not have identified themselves at that team in 2019. More likely they would have set a more modest target of winning a provincial title. They achieved that in style beating two possible contenders for the All-Ireland away from home, Mayo and Galway. Regardless of what happens for the rest of the year they will savour that achievement for a long time. Winning that title in that fashion is for them , at this stage in their development, akin to Dublin winning the championship outright. Not so pointless , I submit. Back to the Dubs. At the moment they are the hottest of favorites to triumph again, just like we were at this time of the year in 1982. I would not bet against them just as I would not have bet against Kerry in June in 1982. It takes a huge leap of the imagination to see them being beaten just as with Kerry in 1982. Just as Kerry had not won the championship in June of that beat forgotten year it is well to remember that Dublin have still not been crowned champions for 2019. The phrase “ the glorious uncertainty of sport” is appropriately descriptive and has a painful resonance for those of us who got drenched in that wet , miserable day in Croke Park in 1982. Perhaps , it will resonate for us again before the year is done, this time with ecstasy rather than pain. Hope is what compels us to come back year after year.
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Post by kot on Jun 17, 2019 15:18:12 GMT
There is an utter pointless feel about this whole championship for me..... we are all just marching in step to slaughter by the Dubs. Great scenes for Rossies yesterday yeah, but honestly..... whats the point? The point is only one team can the All-Ireland and I suspect at the outset Roscommon would not have identified themselves at that team in 2019. More likely they would have set a more modest target of winning a provincial title. They achieved that in style beating two possible contenders for the All-Ireland away from home, Mayo and Galway. Regardless of what happens for the rest of the year they will savour that achievement for a long time. Winning that title in that fashion is for them , at this stage in their development, akin to Dublin winning the championship outright. Not so pointless , I submit. Back to the Dubs. At the moment they are the hottest of favorites to triumph again, just like we were at this time of the year in 1982. I would not bet against them just as I would not have bet against Kerry in June in 1982. It takes a huge leap of the imagination to see them being beaten just as with Kerry in 1982. Just as Kerry had not won the championship in June of that beat forgotten year it is well to remember that Dublin have still not been crowned champions for 2019. The phrase “ the glorious uncertainty of sport” is appropriately descriptive and has a painful resonance for those of us who got drenched in that wet , miserable day in Croke Park in 1982. Perhaps , it will resonate for us again before the year is done, this time with ecstasy rather than pain. Hope is what compels us to come back year after year. For the rossies, yes I get all that - similar outpouring when they won a couple of years back but looking at from a big picture for everybody (not just Rossies), it just feels inevitable & altogether pointless to get in anyway excited. Unfortunately veteran, much like the comparison in the top level soccer in the '80s & today, to compare 1982 with today is flawed. There is a bigger existential issue for many counties up against the juggernaut that Dublin are on & off the pitch. The powers that be, rather than acknowledge and address the disparity, have allowed it to get out of control and then give us the whole "nothing wrong here folks" spiel. Much like Kerry, Liverpool were dominant in the '80s but were dominant in a playing field that wasn't as skewed. It was feasible that other clubs could get their house in order and close the gap. Today if they close the gap on Man City, City will go out and spend the national debt of Bulgaria on a few new players. Today there are super clubs in football of the more global type and Dublin are a mega county within our own game with the GAA itself acting as their oil oligarch equivalent. Dublin have done an absolutely top notch job on maximising their resources but unless the GAA acknowledges & does something soon to level things out, then the number of people even in more traditional counties like our own who just end up seeing the point will continue to grow & grow.
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Post by john4 on Jun 17, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
This is Conor Cox's playing history with Kerry through all the grades. He consistently scored in every game where he started, and scored heavily in the Junior wins, he was only used as a sub in the league under EF. I remember Jack Sherwood coming on late in I think it was an all Ireland quarter final or semi final a good few years ago and I honestly thought after that there's no way this guy is at this level. Sometimes if you just thrust a fella and he'll feed off that. www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/930/Conor-Cox/U21
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 17, 2019 18:03:10 GMT
The point is only one team can the All-Ireland and I suspect at the outset Roscommon would not have identified themselves at that team in 2019. More likely they would have set a more modest target of winning a provincial title. They achieved that in style beating two possible contenders for the All-Ireland away from home, Mayo and Galway. Regardless of what happens for the rest of the year they will savour that achievement for a long time. Winning that title in that fashion is for them , at this stage in their development, akin to Dublin winning the championship outright. Not so pointless , I submit. Back to the Dubs. At the moment they are the hottest of favorites to triumph again, just like we were at this time of the year in 1982. I would not bet against them just as I would not have bet against Kerry in June in 1982. It takes a huge leap of the imagination to see them being beaten just as with Kerry in 1982. Just as Kerry had not won the championship in June of that beat forgotten year it is well to remember that Dublin have still not been crowned champions for 2019. The phrase “ the glorious uncertainty of sport” is appropriately descriptive and has a painful resonance for those of us who got drenched in that wet , miserable day in Croke Park in 1982. Perhaps , it will resonate for us again before the year is done, this time with ecstasy rather than pain. Hope is what compels us to come back year after year. For the rossies, yes I get all that - similar outpouring when they won a couple of years back but looking at from a big picture for everybody (not just Rossies), it just feels inevitable & altogether pointless to get in anyway excited. Unfortunately veteran, much like the comparison in the top level soccer in the '80s & today, to compare 1982 with today is flawed. There is a bigger existential issue for many counties up against the juggernaut that Dublin are on & off the pitch. The powers that be, rather than acknowledge and address the disparity, have allowed it to get out of control and then give us the whole "nothing wrong here folks" spiel. Much like Kerry, Liverpool were dominant in the '80s but were dominant in a playing field that wasn't as skewed. It was feasible that other clubs could get their house in order and close the gap. Today if they close the gap on Man City, City will go out and spend the national debt of Bulgaria on a few new players. Today there are super clubs in football of the more global type and Dublin are a mega county within our own game with the GAA itself acting as their oil oligarch equivalent. Dublin have done an absolutely top notch job on maximising their resources but unless the GAA acknowledges & does something soon to level things out, then the number of people even in more traditional counties like our own who just end up seeing the point will continue to grow & grow. I think you have many valid points kot. Moreover, I think Dublin and Jim Gavin especially, absorb and learn the lessons of history better than any side has ever done. It’s all about timing and the circumstances for Dublin from Kerry in 1982 are different. Dublin had no interest in a league title this year like Kerry eventually did in 1982. Kerry won the league that year after a replay and Kerry was also held to draw by a genuine rival in Cork in a Munster final dogfight of a game before winning a replay. Dublin has no opposition in the province of Leinster this year and even an improving Meath won’t be within 10 points of them in this observers view. The hope is the Super 8s in general will provide better entertainment than last year even if in all likelihood Dublin may canter away to yet another All Ireland title. Putting Dublin to one side there has been some good games in the Championship so far this year in both Ulster and Connacht. I do agree that if Dublin are not genuinely challenged this season in the All Ireland series it will be very demoralising and they’ll be no window dressing it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 17, 2019 18:38:09 GMT
This is Conor Cox's playing history with Kerry through all the grades. He consistently scored in every game where he started, and scored heavily in the Junior wins, he was only used as a sub in the league under EF. I remember Jack Sherwood coming on late in I think it was an all Ireland quarter final or semi final a good few years ago and I honestly thought after that there's no way this guy is at this level. Sometimes if you just thrust a fella and he'll feed off that. www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/930/Conor-Cox/U21As an aside- do you think sherwood is upto it now?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2019 18:59:29 GMT
At one stage i thought it would be great for hurling if Dublin an All Ireland.
Then the penny dropped with me that resources and playing numbers would mean that Dublin would never go into decline once they reached the level of winning the All ireland. The sort of decline all counties go into bar Dublin.
So enjoy the next few years of the hurling before it too is destroyed by the blue wave.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 17, 2019 19:11:51 GMT
Didn't Tomas O'6 flag the vulnerability of Galway's plan though not sure if he went as far as predicting the outcome? Has Cox football relatives in Kerry? You are right Bally Tomas predicted a Roscommon win Friday morning on RTE radaio. Walsh will not survive this one - 5 points up at half time - score 1 point in 35 minutes of second half and be well beaten. Nothing dramatic will happen but come winter he will move on. A great one, even in hindsight - Tomás Ó Sé: 'Tyrone must hold their nerve - and Kevin Walsh must develop one to free up Galway' As regards the 'in a row', I know two teams in Kerry and Donegal who will put it to the blues. Donegal is now a different 'Gaelic' foottall county since the McGuinness era and what many may not be mindful of is that soccer would have been as strong as 75% at time up here though 'The Gaelic' would now hold it's own, 50/50 ish, and this factor probably explains why they haven't won more Sams. I specifically recall dropping into an u16 club game up here on the eve of the '12 semi v Cork and it was joy to watch them emulate the seniors, I was one of few to see it as people's minds were on the following day. Those players are now coming through at senior level and you'd be expecting a few more pleasant surprises. I also think we will be there -remember that we only have to make a single breakthrough and the volcano erupts, I can see some amazing battles of us v Dubs and our future can only be bright.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2019 19:14:18 GMT
Bloody hell the misery.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 17, 2019 19:21:33 GMT
It is strange seeing Kerry folk getting fed up with someone else continuing to hog Sam, when Kerry have had some hugely successful periods of dominance themselves.
I was only about for the tail end of the glory years (84-86), and even though Kerry were dominating, I never sensed a total lack of interest in the AI series then, as I see now.
Kerry simply were the best team then with the best footballers. Dublin, while very good at what they do, are boring the *e out of me.
In the past, most teams were capable of beating most others. Now, nobody can (or won’t even try to) keep up with the machine that is Dublin. I think the GAA has created a monster, and it’s broke from its chains, and it’s unstoppable now. I really do fear for the future of Gaelic football.
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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2019 19:54:48 GMT
Of course I understand about this money doping of Dublin , albeit wisely used by them it must be said, which has left them nigh untouchable currently, certainly in Leinster.
However , it seems to me that there must be other factors causing this malaise in Leinster. I can acknowledge the rest of Leinster cannot cope with Dublin in that championship because of their resources etc. But as far as I can recall the only team from Leinster in division one of the NFL this season was Dublin. Unless my memory is playing tricks with me this has been the case for a good member of years , apart from Kildare making the odd appearance. Clearly the absence of other Leinster teams from the top division has nothing to do with Dublin’s resources , dominance. Therefore could somebody riddle for me this conundrum. It seems obvious to me that Dublin cannot be blamed for all the ills in Leinster football. In that case, what is the problem up there?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2019 20:29:17 GMT
The likes of the Rossies have the connacht championship to aim for. The Ulster championship is a big attainable target for most ulster counties.
No similar target in Leinster for anyone outside Dublin
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2019 20:30:18 GMT
Misery! I have not seen any all day. Are you mistaking misery with reality.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 17, 2019 20:34:29 GMT
Misery! I have not seen any all day. Are you mistaking misery with reality. A miserable reality Mick.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2019 20:41:18 GMT
"People will kill you over time, and how they'll kill you is with tiny, harmless phrases, like 'be realistic'"
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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2019 21:12:03 GMT
The likes of the Rossies have the connacht championship to aim for. The Ulster championship is a big attainable target for most ulster counties. No similar target in Leinster for anyone outside Dublin Could they not start by aiming for division one status. Meath will be there next year but when were they there last? Shameful for a football mad county. Ditto Kildare. Consistent habitation in that division would surely enhance their chance of provincial success . Who knows where that might take them. Or would they prefer to play the woe poor me card , how ever could we compete with the big bad wolf. Languishing in the lower divisions has nothing to do with Dublin finances but much to do with wallowing in self pity.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 17, 2019 21:26:17 GMT
The likes of the Rossies have the connacht championship to aim for. The Ulster championship is a big attainable target for most ulster counties. No similar target in Leinster for anyone outside Dublin Could they not start by aiming for division one status. Meath will be there next year but when were they there last? Shameful for a football mad county. Ditto Kildare. Consistent habitation in that division would surely enhance their chance of provincial success . Who knows where that might take them. Or would they prefer to play the woe poor me card , how ever could we compete with the big bad wolf. Languishing in the lower divisions has nothing to do with Dublin finances but much to do with wallowing in self pity. I've been to Meath more than once and it seems to me half the county is mad about Dublin these days. You're as likely to see a Dublin blue jersey going down the streets of Navan as to see a kid in a Meath jersey. Dubs are being born in Meath and brought up as Dubs as the capital extended itself and same with Kildare. It's pity all the Kerry people who moved to Dublin didn't bring up their youngsters as citizens abroad. The Dubs don't really do assimilation it's more annexation.
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Post by john4 on Jun 17, 2019 21:27:41 GMT
This is Conor Cox's playing history with Kerry through all the grades. He consistently scored in every game where he started, and scored heavily in the Junior wins, he was only used as a sub in the league under EF. I remember Jack Sherwood coming on late in I think it was an all Ireland quarter final or semi final a good few years ago and I honestly thought after that there's no way this guy is at this level. Sometimes if you just thrust a fella and he'll feed off that. www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/930/Conor-Cox/U21As an aside- do you think sherwood is upto it now? Jack Sherwood is 33 this year, this must be a record as the oldest player to begin holding down a starting position with Kerry. He's done really well in the league at full back imo, the reduction in the number of goals conseeded in the same period compared to last year is dramatic. i like him, doesn't give away a lot of frees like Peter Crowley could be accused of. Couldn't take anything from his performance in the Clare game, as he was a spare man! Looking back at it, it's hard to believe that Mark Griffin was tried over and over again at full back when twas clearly obvious to all that this was not going to work. Hopefully he'll stay injury free and have a good summer, we need all the backs we have.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 17, 2019 21:43:25 GMT
Apart from a few golden spells for a few counties Leinster has pretty much been Dublins. Offaly in the 70s & 80s probably helped by a thriving Bord na Mona, Meath from '83 to early 00's under the brilliant Sean Boylan and kildare during the 90's under Micko. Kildare have been flaky for a century, Meath are Meath and Offaly had a once off decade. The Clubs in the big towns in the greater north Leinster Dublin area find it impossible to hold on to young players coming through to the adult club teams. Louth, Wicklow, Laois, Westmeath etc will never be anymore than confetti in the province.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 17, 2019 21:55:43 GMT
As an aside- do you think sherwood is upto it now? Jack Sherwood is 33 this year, this must be a record as the oldest player to begin holding down a starting position with Kerry. He's done really well in the league at full back imo, the reduction in the number of goals conseeded in the same period compared to last year is dramatic. i like him, doesn't give away a lot of frees like Peter Crowley could be accused of. Couldn't take anything from his performance in the Clare game, as he was a spare man! Looking back at it, it's hard to believe that Mark Griffin was tried over and over again at full back when twas clearly obvious to all that this was not going to work. Hopefully he'll stay injury free and have a good summer, we need all the backs we have. Way off there...Jack was U21 in 2012, so that makes him 28 this year. www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/896/Jack-Sherwood/U21
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Post by clarinman on Jun 17, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
As an aside- do you think sherwood is upto it now? Jack Sherwood is 33 this year, this must be a record as the oldest player to begin holding down a starting position with Kerry. He's done really well in the league at full back imo, the reduction in the number of goals conseeded in the same period compared to last year is dramatic. i like him, doesn't give away a lot of frees like Peter Crowley could be accused of. Couldn't take anything from his performance in the Clare game, as he was a spare man! Looking back at it, it's hard to believe that Mark Griffin was tried over and over again at full back when twas clearly obvious to all that this was not going to work. Hopefully he'll stay injury free and have a good summer, we need all the backs we have. No way is Jack Sherwood 33. He was just a year out of u21 when he played against Dublin in the 2013 semi final. That would put him at about 28.
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Post by john4 on Jun 17, 2019 22:07:52 GMT
My error, spot on lads 👍
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Post by thebluepanther on Jun 17, 2019 22:10:13 GMT
Of course I understand about this money doping of Dublin , albeit wisely used by them it must be said, which has left them nigh untouchable currently, certainly in Leinster. However , it seems to me that there must be other factors causing this malaise in Leinster. I can acknowledge the rest of Leinster cannot cope with Dublin in that championship because of their resources etc. But as far as I can recall the only team from Leinster in division one of the NFL this season was Dublin. Unless my memory is playing tricks with me this has been the case for a good member of years , apart from Kildare making the odd appearance. Clearly the absence of other Leinster teams from the top division has nothing to do with Dublin’s resources , dominance. Therefore could somebody riddle for me this conundrum. It seems obvious to me that Dublin cannot be blamed for all the ills in Leinster football. In that case, what is the problem up there? I think that's a fair post Veteran, There is no doubt Dublin have benefited from huge investment , I also think the neutral venue fiasco in Croke Park should be addressed, Id prefer to see us play outside Dublin for the neutral game. Wont solve all the ills of the game , but would send out a sense of fair play. But i firmly believe for all the resources Dublin have its the return we have got from the 2011 minor team and 2014 U21 All Ireland winning team that has Dublin winning All Ireland's now, We had large squads to pick from in the noughties when yourselves and Tyrone gave us beatings. We travelled the same distance to training then as we do now. We played in Croke park then as we do now ( doesn't make it right, But no body minded because it was great to take Dublin down a peg or two in their own patch ) We eventually got over the line in 2011 , lost in 2012 and could easily have had more barren years or close calls. but for me what has kept us winning was the emergence a group of young lads in 2011, we haven't had a return since and are unlikely to again. The 2011 minor team that lost to Tipperary in the final had Davy Byrne, John Small, Jack mc Caffrey, Ciaran Kilkenny , Eric Lowndes, Paul Mannion, Niall Scully , Cormac Costello . 2014 U21 All Ireland winning team had the same group of players bar Ciaran Kilkenny who was in Australia , but Brian Fenton had got onto the team. Recently Brian Howard and Con o Callaghon have emerged also . When all the hysteria is stripped away , this is a group of players who train hard , take nothing for granted and for me are the best i've seen in a Dublin jersey. I tell all young Dubs to go watch these guys no matter who they play. Because these guys wont be around forever. Meath ,Kildare are football only counties with populations of 195,000 and 222,000 respectively . Who really should be competing better. Kerry, Mayo, Donegal Teams who have either beaten Dublin or run them very close recently all have smaller populations . Thankfully Meath are in Div 1 now after a long absence and we will see on Sunday where they are at.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2019 22:16:51 GMT
Classic understatement there BP Brian Fenton had got onto the team. Recently Brian Howard and Con o Callaghon have emerged also .
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Post by southward on Jun 17, 2019 23:25:14 GMT
Jack Sherwood is 33 this year, this must be a record as the oldest player to begin holding down a starting position with Kerry. He's done really well in the league at full back imo, the reduction in the number of goals conseeded in the same period compared to last year is dramatic. i like him, doesn't give away a lot of frees like Peter Crowley could be accused of. Couldn't take anything from his performance in the Clare game, as he was a spare man! Looking back at it, it's hard to believe that Mark Griffin was tried over and over again at full back when twas clearly obvious to all that this was not going to work. Hopefully he'll stay injury free and have a good summer, we need all the backs we have. No way is Jack Sherwood 33. He was just a year out of u21 when he played against Dublin in the 2013 semi final. That would put him at about 28. Wikipedia is the culprit here. Some intrepid wiki-editor taking the piss. It lists him as being 33 alright, as having played minor at ages 22 and 23 before graduating to the U21 side at the age of 26. A slow developer for sure. There's also an interesting light shone on his senior championship debut. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sherwood
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