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Post by whitefire on Mar 31, 2019 22:12:15 GMT
It's all very fine winning the league games but when the squeeze comes on from an established team full of leader, we are completely found wanting. Absolutely no leadership was shown today in the second half. It was very like the Mayo semi final 2 years ago. Rabbit in headlights stuff with no midfield presence. No one willing to take the fight to Mayo, even start a row and get stuck in. Mistake after mistake, players taking balls into tackle and coughing up possession. The sad thing is that our midfield and backs are not good enough to win an All Ireland and there is no one in the county yet that has the ability to improve these areas. There are 16 weeks ahead when we won't have decent opposition and we'll go into the Super 8s again undercooked. I'm worried.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 31, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
This league final was not about learning lessons that we did not know already or were not taught before by Mayo. This league final only reinforced the fact that currently we do not have the answers at midfield. Most of Kerry’s problems started and stopped there.
We spoke beforehand of hoping to gain parity at midfield or bypass it but no one really was expecting us to win this sector outright. Therefore, I think the criticism of our defence is a false flag in many ways and we are actually improving there structurally and can hold our own with most sides. However, when you’re wiped out at midfield it’s difficult to win any game let alone a League final. Despite Mayo’s domination in play and possession our defence restricted them to just 5 points in the first half. However, the pressure was always going to tell with our midfield non-existent and Mayo going far more direct in the second half. Experience wise and physically we are behind Mayo in a lot of positions and this will take a couple of seasons to catch up on.
Again we can hold our own with many sides in the midfield sector but against the best we are currently found wanting. Kerry’s Diarmuid O’Connor will develop into a great midfielder in time but his young, raw and physically needs to develop and it’s going to take 2-3 seasons to get there. Jack Barry is a fine honest player doing his best but ability wise his not in the upper echelons of being a great midfielder and his no leader and it’s unfair to expect him to be what he isn’t. There’s no magic wand to turn Jack into Darragh O’Se and it isn’t going to happen. Jack would be a fine partner for a commanding midfielder but that commanding midfielder isn’t there right now. All ifs and buts now but even beforehand I felt we needed David Moran today and what a difference he could have made if available even for the last 20 minutes. Even so, we must be realistic and realise David Moran is now in the twilight of a fine career and will not be a 70-minute man come the championship.
Our goalkeeper is in his debut season, and I thought he had a fine game overall today under enormous pressure. Yes, he made a big mistake for one of the goals conceded but he also saved about 2-2 in the first half. With experience he will get better and he could be among the best in business if we persist and are patient. Mayo as dominant as they were should have won this game by far more and far easier. I thought Mayo made very hard work of winning this game and incredibly they were only 1 point clear with 90 seconds left even though they ended up winning in the end by 4 points.
Overall, it’s been a very good league and learning curve for Kerry and credit to the lads for winning so many matches and making the final. They did there best today but sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit the better team won. Football wise we’ll be glad to see the back of this decade but I’m very optimistic that Kerry will become the dominant force in the new decade. This season is about growing pains so we’ll just have to be realistic and deal with it and keep supporting the team and management. Ciarraí Abú!
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 31, 2019 22:18:30 GMT
David Moran was up in the Premiums with Ogie and Bomber today. He must be a long way off returning to the match day panel.
Second half display was very poor. I feel that the Tommy Walsh experiment might come to an end soon.
James O Donoghue took a heavy knock early on after coming on. He could hardly run. Looked like a possible dead leg. It certainly didn't help his performance
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Post by jackiel on Mar 31, 2019 22:28:40 GMT
On Tv it showed Dara Moynihan jogging back out of the tunnel for the second half then he seemed to suddenly pull a muscle and hence Jameso came in does anyone know what actually happened here Not that it impacted the game too much just wondering hope Dara is ok An issue with a muscle in his foot apparently.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2019 22:31:48 GMT
It's all very fine winning the league games but when the squeeze comes on from an established team full of leader, we are completely found wanting. Absolutely no leadership was shown today in the second half. It was very like the Mayo semi final 2 years ago. Rabbit in headlights stuff with no midfield presence. No one willing to take the fight to Mayo, even start a row and get stuck in. Mistake after mistake, players taking balls into tackle and coughing up possession. The sad thing is that our midfield and backs are not good enough to win an All Ireland and there is no one in the county yet that has the ability to improve these areas. There are 16 weeks ahead when we won't have decent opposition and we'll go into the Super 8s again undercooked.I'm worried. I think if i were PK I would consider sitting down with the county board and asking them to run off the county championship in May and June (and maybe try and get a few rounds of the NK championship in aswell before the super 8s. Its a serious situation now that the next competitive championship game could be in mid July. The Connaght and Ulster competitions are competitive and even Leinster looks like being better this year.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 31, 2019 22:49:49 GMT
We had a version of our 2008 twin towers today With Tommy Walsh and David Clifford up top But today like back then we never got them enough ball .Inboth cases We played with a center forward who played too deep to be useful to the full forward line that s partially because when the midfield is not gaining possession every one has to retreat back field a bit but more than that We don’t seem to make any concious decision to keep our 11 on the offensive side of our midfield.
Dublin probably bringing Rory Carroll back we have a week or two to consider getting his nemesis back you know who KD last chance I’d say the door is not fully closed ! After today .
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 1, 2019 0:48:54 GMT
I was there (for a change some will say!) and firstly, congrats to Mayo for winning in classic traditional fashion, plain honest-to-God football, if we played again tomorrow Kerry might win, or not!
I think we need to accept that they were just better on the day, though the pressure was 'always on', both ways.
Congrats also to our team - just wait for the healthy analysis from across the GAA community. Apart from say 10 misplaced ball movements by both teams, out of 100's, this was one not to miss and here I am in awe of where the game is - Kerry v Mayo never let the game down, as I wasn't able to make the last few games I will leave references to individual players to others though I couldn't criticize anyone.
As a national community are in for a great championship if today is anything to go by.
I must also commend the sporting Mayo & Kerry folk who shared the moment - 'twould be a very cold heart that would begrudge them and if if I was to take a swipe, then I'm thinking 'we'ze will get yez boys'.
What a great day to be alive and living on the Hogan Stand for an hour!
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Post by dc84 on Apr 1, 2019 6:55:59 GMT
Overall a very good league campaign by peter keane and co barring two bad second halves against mayo. The main issue obviously is midfield i actually thought barry had a good game but he wasnt helped by the fact that with the exception of murphy and gavin crowley in first half both half back and half forwards struggled. Moran and white will help here massively. Move young o connor to 12 sob to 10. Half back line of white murphy and maybe jack sherwood at 6. Jason foley was immense when he came on really odd he has featured so little so far. I thought ryan was very good he got caught out for the goal alright.
We will need a year or two to get up to the levels of conditioning that mayo have in all honesty.
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 1, 2019 7:26:53 GMT
Very disappointing day obviously but midway through the second half it was hard to see any other outcome. And yet if David’s shot had ended in the net we could have pulled it off. I wouldn’t read too much into the final Mayo goal as we has to commit men forward at the death to try and snatch an equaliser. Sometimes such a gamble pays off but it can also go spectacularly wrong. On such narrow margins did the game depend and in the end Mayo were both smarter and hungrier than we were. So we will learn from this certainly but the lesson learned is that we are not YET good enough which I think we already knew. Realistically we should not expect too much more this year but remember we also went into 2014 with low expectations. In truth we had a much better League campaign than anyone dared to hope and the Championship may be similar. If not we can hope this win gives Mayo the impetus to deny Dublin their five in a row.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 1, 2019 7:32:49 GMT
It's all very fine winning the league games but when the squeeze comes on from an established team full of leader, we are completely found wanting. Absolutely no leadership was shown today in the second half. It was very like the Mayo semi final 2 years ago. Rabbit in headlights stuff with no midfield presence. No one willing to take the fight to Mayo, even start a row and get stuck in. Mistake after mistake, players taking balls into tackle and coughing up possession. The sad thing is that our midfield and backs are not good enough to win an All Ireland and there is no one in the county yet that has the ability to improve these areas. There are 16 weeks ahead when we won't have decent opposition and we'll go into the Super 8s again undercooked.I'm worried. I think if i were PK I would consider sitting down with the county board and asking them to run off the county championship in May and June (and maybe try and get a few rounds of the NK championship in aswell before the super 8s. Its a serious situation now that the next competitive championship game could be in mid July. The Connaght and Ulster competitions are competitive and even Leinster looks like being better this year. Mick - all these players will be playing at least 3 club championships games in the next month. What is needed is the Kerry management to get some quality time on the training pitch with this team and get across their plan for the summer. What is also needed is for some players to improve their own skill set - Tom Sullivan soloing out over the side line because he has no right leg and Jack Barry refusing twice to kick with his right before eventually kicking weakly with it and bouncing a ball into the keepers hands are two examples. Mayo are a really good team but they thrive in chaos and our team and management did nothing to prevent the game from getting chaotic in the 2nd half. But overall a league that will benefit the team and management hugely for the next few years IMO.
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Post by glengael on Apr 1, 2019 8:28:36 GMT
Interesting psychology by Mayo, making their alternative jersey blue (colour of you know who) instead of the black/red combo of recent years. Clearly leaving nothing to chance.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 1, 2019 8:34:17 GMT
Never nice to lose a game and always a rotten feeling to lose a final, that said this league campaign has been great on so many levels and we have ended it with a serious reality check. If we won yesterday the hype for the Championship would have been a serious burden for this young team and so many weaknesses would have been glossed over. We are a work in progress and have loads to do and gaps to fill. It will be interesting to see how PK works on his panel in the weeks ahead. Some lads have time on their side but others don't and I expect PK to be an interested spectator at the club championship games in April to see if anybody puts up there hand at this late stage as there are some serious openings in our squad when it comes to strength and defensive duties. We are also threadbare in midfield and a fit David Moran will have a major say on how our summer goes. I hope Mayo can fulfill their 66? quest this year as I think a SF will be the best we can hope for and the thought of Dublin winning 5 in a row has my stomach in knots.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 8:37:46 GMT
Disappointing result yesterday but a very useful league overall. 6 wins form 8 for such a young and inexperienced team is great going. Yesterday a team of primarily young inexperienced footballers at this level came up against a seasoned outfit and could have piped it at the post. We lacked a bit of physicality, but this is will come. Donnie Buckley is the right man to help rectify that side of things. The talent is there which is the main ingredient. I'd did grin at Horan's remark about the fact that they could have beaten us by 10-12 points if they had taken there chances. Silly fuel for the fire.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 1, 2019 9:00:48 GMT
Disappointing result yesterday but a very useful league overall. 6 wins form 8 for such a young and inexperienced team is great going. Yesterday a team of primarily young inexperienced footballers at this level came up against a seasoned outfit and could have piped it at the post. We lacked a bit of physicality, but this is will come. Donnie Buckley is the right man to help rectify that side of things. The talent is there which is the main ingredient. I'd did grin at Horan's remark about the fact that they could have beaten us by 10-12 points if they had taken there chances. Silly fuel for the fire. Yeah funny one from horan if mayo could take their chances they would have 10-12 all irelands at this stage. I thought 4 to 5 points was about right tbh. The reason i believe they wont win the big one is they dominated yesterday for 50 mins and won by 4 if we had dominated as much our forwards wouldve racked up a huge total and been out of sight
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Post by ciarrai78 on Apr 1, 2019 9:12:59 GMT
I’m generally positive after yesterday. We have a young team who are still developing both physically and football wise. They have lost two games over the entire league with both losses to a team composed largely of grizzled veterans who have ten years of conditioning and championship football behind them.
I believe we will learn a lot from yesterday. For example we were sloppy in some of the basics. It was apparent from an early stage that we were beaten at midfield yet we didn’t seem prepared to contest any breaking ball. Did we win any breaks at all in the second half? A bit of focus on on the training pitch will make us a lot more competitive in this area.
Most of our scores came from when we played a more direct style. It is not possible to be direct all of the time in the modern game but I’m sure we will be working more on this. I would persist with Tommy Walsh. He showed well yesterday and couldn’t buy a free. Clifford is a Rolls Royce of a forward who can win ball high or low and more direct ball in at times will suit both.
This league has really brought Stephen O’Brien on to another level. He will be a marked man for the championship as will David Clifford. It will be a tough ask for defences to cope with these two along with Geaney and others if they get they get the right ball played into them.
David Moran will make a difference to our midfield and can steady the ship.
We still haven’t worked out what our optimum defensive combination might look like. Jason Foley made a difference yesterday and Gavin White will further improve matters. Maybe also Tadgh Morley might be the man to add a bit of necessary steel.
Overall for me, glass half full and a good league for us. This might not be our year championship wise but we’re moving quickly in the right direction.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 1, 2019 10:19:57 GMT
I’m generally positive after yesterday. We have a young team who are still developing both physically and football wise. They have lost two games over the entire league with both losses to a team composed largely of grizzled veterans who have ten years of conditioning and championship football behind them. I believe we will learn a lot from yesterday. For example we were sloppy in some of the basics. It was apparent from an early stage that we were beaten at midfield yet we didn’t seem prepared to contest any breaking ball. Did we win any breaks at all in the second half? A bit of focus on on the training pitch will make us a lot more competitive in this area. Most of our scores came from when we played a more direct style. It is not possible to be direct all of the time in the modern game but I’m sure we will be working more on this. I would persist with Tommy Walsh. He showed well yesterday and couldn’t buy a free. Clifford is a Rolls Royce of a forward who can win ball high or low and more direct ball in at times will suit both. This league has really brought Stephen O’Brien on to another level. He will be a marked man for the championship as will David Clifford. It will be a tough ask for defences to cope with these two along with Geaney and others if they get they get the right ball played into them. David Moran will make a difference to our midfield and can steady the ship. We still haven’t worked out what our optimum defensive combination might look like. Jason Foley made a difference yesterday and Gavin White will further improve matters. Maybe also Tadgh Morley might be the man to add a bit of necessary steel. Overall for me, glass half full and a good league for us. This might not be our year championship wise but we’re moving quickly in the right direction. The full forward line will be interesting for me its clifford plus one it was obvious yesterday towards the end we hadnt enough grafters. Walsh geaney jod and Clifford cant all play at the same time. Think it will be geaney and clifford with sob or mcarthy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 10:23:36 GMT
I’m generally positive after yesterday. We have a young team who are still developing both physically and football wise. They have lost two games over the entire league with both losses to a team composed largely of grizzled veterans who have ten years of conditioning and championship football behind them. I believe we will learn a lot from yesterday. For example we were sloppy in some of the basics. It was apparent from an early stage that we were beaten at midfield yet we didn’t seem prepared to contest any breaking ball. Did we win any breaks at all in the second half? A bit of focus on on the training pitch will make us a lot more competitive in this area. Most of our scores came from when we played a more direct style. It is not possible to be direct all of the time in the modern game but I’m sure we will be working more on this. I would persist with Tommy Walsh. He showed well yesterday and couldn’t buy a free. Clifford is a Rolls Royce of a forward who can win ball high or low and more direct ball in at times will suit both. This league has really brought Stephen O’Brien on to another level. He will be a marked man for the championship as will David Clifford. It will be a tough ask for defences to cope with these two along with Geaney and others if they get they get the right ball played into them. David Moran will make a difference to our midfield and can steady the ship. We still haven’t worked out what our optimum defensive combination might look like. Jason Foley made a difference yesterday and Gavin White will further improve matters. Maybe also Tadgh Morley might be the man to add a bit of necessary steel. Overall for me, glass half full and a good league for us. This might not be our year championship wise but we’re moving quickly in the right direction. The full forward line will be interesting for me its clifford plus one it was obvious yesterday towards the end we hadnt enough grafters. Walsh geaney jod and Clifford cant all play at the same time. Think it will be geaney and clifford with sob or mcarthy I agree the need to get the balance right as JOD coming on disrupted that at the start of the 2nd half. I would think that Stephen o Brien is a guaranteed starter regardless.
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Post by waterboy12 on Apr 1, 2019 10:36:30 GMT
Couple of valuable lessons that need to be learned from yesterday’s game. Big problem in goal, we don’t have a real dependable keeper, too many mistakes by Ryan over the course of the league, our best keeper was shown the door by the last management. We are still struggling defensively - we don’t defend well enough as a unit or individually when under pressure. Donie Buckley will earn his crust here over the next several months however some individuals are not up to the required level. Sherwood is too slow for Croke Park, foley is a better option. Gavin Crowley is an average half back, seen him struggle massively in club football against half decent forwards, White should start. Peter Crowley is not a man marker - full back line is weak. Moran is still our best midfielder and he was sorely missed yesterday - no depth in this area. No cohesion in the forward line yesterday although I’m hopeful that will come. Kevin McCarthy could be a good impact player but not a starter, James O Donoghue is a shadow of his former self. Tommy Walsh is a plan b, Geaney needs to rediscover some form. Subs - I’ve watched Griffin for a long time now (under 14) and he just doesn’t have the skill, composure or head for intercounty football, he is a total liability anywhere on the field. He struggles to retain possession for his club not to mention top inter county teams. A lot of the mentioned players had good league campaigns so this may sound harsh, but the barometer is the dubs so we need to be realistic about our situation. Jim Gavin took over in 2013 and got rid of several established Dublin players because they just weren’t up to the level, we need to be ruthless. If lessons are learned than we can make strides but the All Ireland this year is not a possibility for us im afraid. I’m hoping to be proved wrong.
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Post by homerj on Apr 1, 2019 10:41:12 GMT
such a frustrating day.
dont even know where to start.....kevin mccarthy, tommy walsh -> seriously found out when it mattered most. why did we stop playing ball into clifford? he wasnt seen for 20 minutes.
why was SOS back in fullback line marking a wing forward ffs.
so many basic errors, bad day at the office all round.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 1, 2019 10:52:47 GMT
Disappointed by that performance yesterday. Saw it live and havent watched it back yet. So these are just initial impressions
Shane Ryan has to take the blame for the goal. Either come and clear man , ball and everything or stay on your line. His kickouts were generally good. Especially in the first half. But we have seen too many errors now in this campaign. The punch agaisnt Dublin, the error for galways goal and the dispossession in the same game. The errors against Monaghan and yesterday. He is obviously a good keeper and made some great saves but, it cant be doing an already shakey defense any favours when they are uncertain whats going to happen with a high ball in.
I was seated on the 21 in the cusack yesterday so got a great view of the Kerry forwards in the first half and backs in the second.
We are at the end of the league and the old malaise of teams running at us can cutting us to ribbons is still alive and well. Our defense play just seems so disjointed at times. We do great work dropping deep and forcing Mayo to play the ball outside us. A back or a mdfielder falls asleep and doestnt track his man. The he gives it to another man running from his shoulder and its a simple pop over the bar. I have no issue with mayo kicking a screamer deom under the hogan as 9/10 it doesnt go over. Jason Foley did very well when he came on. Was side on and got a hand in for everything. I don't think he is a full back. He is a man marker but not some one to command the square.
Gavin Crowley did well going forward yesterday but, thought he was caught for speed back pedalling a few times. Maybe centre back might suit best with Murphy on the wing. Tom O'Sullivan seemed a bit off his standards. Whether that was his own fault or Mayo didnt let him play.
I will go totally against the grain here. I though Jack Barry did well enough. People say he was beasted by O'She but he won a fair share of ball and took the ball on and was generally decent. He was physical enough as well. It seemed that was watching it live.
Sean O'Shea missed a few free he would normally get but, the work he put in off the ball and the turnovers he generated were top class. Kicked his scores in the second as well. As a whole our forwards were poor i thought. I have never seen so maby dropped balls into the keepers hands. We couldnt seem to engineer a score and were messing about with the ball a lot. We got on a pile of ball in the first half but couldnt do anything with it. Tommy Walsh got a few poor balls in the first half and was doing well to come onto ball.
When mayo turned the screw in the second half we seemed to panic and you could sense we seemed to drift. We had no one to come in and command the game for a few minutes. Maybe Moran could be that man I don't know. We won no breaks and were the authors of our own downfall at some stages with misplaced passes and two lads going for the one ball etc.
James O'D doesnt seem to want to take on his man any more. Maybe it will come with more games but, it has been that way for a while. Before he would take you on and cut back to cut with the other foot if his way was stopped. Now he seems predominately left footed.
Mark Griffin again was too jittery in posession. he gave way terrible ball against dublin, and monaghan and yesterday was poor stuff.
He is not an inside back, and doesnt have the distribution skills to play out the field. Teams know to push him and hassle him and the ball could go anywhere.
A lot of work needed with this team. Hopefully now they have a block of time with the long evening ahead of them management can get to grips with putting a proper strategy in place. Realistically we have probably had only one proper training session during the league each week.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 1, 2019 11:02:53 GMT
A good league campaign overall despite yesterday's loss; we lost to a better conditioned, more battle hardened and street wise side who knew how to win when the chips were down.
The positives from yesterday for a lot of the players were to get to play in Croke Park before a big crowd in a national final - the tempo and intensity was that of a championship fixture and this will only stand us in good stead for the championship.
I thought Shane Ryan despite the mistake for the second goal had his best outing so far this year - he claimed a few high balls with great authority, got his restarts right for the majority of the time and made some fine saves.
Outside him, Peter Crowley, Tom O'Sullivan, Paul Murphy and Graham O'Sullivan performed well; Jack Sherwood struggled throughout and it was no surprise to see him replaced by Jason Foley, who brought an immediate improvement in the full back line; Gavin Crowley had a fine first half, especially when supporting the attack but was lost in the 2nd half when Diarmuid O'Connor fell deep and had a big impact on proceedings.
Jack Barry did well and Diarmuid O'Connor in patches - great foot passing early in the game but he faded as the game wore on and ended up at wing forward - already well known but this sector needs an improvement - we need David Moran back for this physical presence and possibly could look at Gavin White too.
Stephen O'Brien was the pick of our half forward line with his direct running, took his goal really well and won a number of important frees; Sean & Dara both had their moments but I felt that Seán spent too much time dropping back helping out and Dara looked like he was carrying an injury - set up the second goal well and was missed for his work rate when he departed.
David Clifford and Tommy were generally isolated inside and with better service could have gotten us over the line - Tommy did not receive any quality ball whilst David was outstanding and should have ended with a couple of goals but fortune did not favour him - his disallowed goal was a perfect example of a dispossession and one I felt the whistle happy referee got wrong - it was not his only mistake of the day!
Kevin McCarthy, I felt did ok but seemed to lack a bit of confidence and was replaced when playing at wing forward early in the second half.
The substitutions, bar Jason Foley did not work - bringing on James O'Donoghue resulted in a reshuffle which saw Tommy deployed further out the field and Kevin McCarthy at wing forward - this had the effect of unsettling our play and saw further damage being done by Keith Higgins who regularly broke up field setting up attacks - the introduction of Gavin O'Brien was surely a better option as he would have posed different questions of the Mayo half back line; the replacing of Kevin McCarthy with Mark Griffin only compounded this problem - deploying a defender to wing forward was a gamble which did not pay off as Mark twice lost hard won possession when breaking from defence, mistakes which were to prove costly.
If we have a full squad to choose from for the championship I feel we will be dangerous - we will improve, the addition of the likes of Paul Geaney, David Moran, Gavin White will help our cause but the Dubs are still ahead of all comers with Mayo and possibly Tyrone next in that order.
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Post by piggott on Apr 1, 2019 11:13:45 GMT
We are short center back, Full Back, and two midfielders.Our forwards will be as efficient as any team. Diarmuid O Connor will make it, but just 19. I cannot think of any candidates bar what we have. Hopefully Championships will throw up someone.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 1, 2019 11:33:33 GMT
I think if i were PK I would consider sitting down with the county board and asking them to run off the county championship in May and June (and maybe try and get a few rounds of the NK championship in aswell before the super 8s. Its a serious situation now that the next competitive championship game could be in mid July. The Connaght and Ulster competitions are competitive and even Leinster looks like being better this year. Mick - all these players will be playing at least 3 club championships games in the next month. What is needed is the Kerry management to get some quality time on the training pitch with this team and get across their plan for the summer. What is also needed is for some players to improve their own skill set - Tom Sullivan soloing out over the side line because he has no right leg and Jack Barry refusing twice to kick with his right before eventually kicking weakly with it and bouncing a ball into the keepers hands are two examples. Mayo are a really good team but they thrive in chaos and our team and management did nothing to prevent the game from getting chaotic in the 2nd half. But overall a league that will benefit the team and management hugely for the next few years IMO. Your point above about the basic skills I find hard to fathom with all our training and years of development squads any player putting on the jersey has to be comfortable off both feet and both hands That does explain a lot now in hindsight why some players would not pull the trigger when the shot was definitely on . Wanted skills coach in Kerry !!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Apr 1, 2019 11:33:40 GMT
Any shout for Jack Sherwood as a midfielder? He has nearly done better up the pitch during the league. Griffin can't really be looked as a serious option I think to be honest.
I have staked a claim for Gavin white in the middle sector before but maybe he might be more needed in the backs.
We need to decide what we are looking for in a full back as well. I think ideally is someone who can command the square as well as actually mark a man. Jason Foley i think is the later but, not the former. Is there any hope of manufacturing a full back is it were? Moynihand and Mike Mac and Tommy G himself were manufactured full backs. They had different qualities but, could do the job.
At the moment it seems that Griffin, Sherwoord are probaly too loose. Crowley and Foley can't really command the square. Either can Sherwood and Griffin to be honest. Of the backs that started yesterday there is no one that if you said give me a few months and I will turn him into a full back. I actually think Jack barry could be an outstanding candidate to be honest but he is much needed in midfield.
So we are left to devise a system to hide our inadequacies.
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Post by homerj on Apr 1, 2019 11:45:31 GMT
ya midfield is a huge worry. any idea whats wrong with moran?
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 1, 2019 11:50:14 GMT
ya midfield is a huge worry. any idea whats wrong with moran? I believe that he has tendinitis in his knee which is proving very slow to heal.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 1, 2019 11:55:44 GMT
We are short center back, Full Back, and two midfielders.Our forwards will be as efficient as any team. Diarmuid O Connor will make it, but just 19. I cannot think of any candidates bar what we have. Hopefully Championships will throw up someone. the u20 championship might throw up Barry oMahony, the minor partner of Diarmaid OConnor.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 1, 2019 12:55:41 GMT
Would Morley be worth a look at full back? I am curious as to why we haven’t seen more of him during the league as he has been available a lot of the time. I know he has had a few niggling injuries though.
I liked what I saw from Foley yesterday and hope that he can nail down one corner spot as I don’t think he is ready for full back. In the other corner it may be that Tom O’Sullivan is pushed back there when Gavin White comes back in. He actually filled this role in the first Mayo game when he went back on McLaughlin. That would give us two tough and speedy man markers. Peter Crowley offers cover across the full back line but I’m not sure he is the best man marker.
Centre back is the next question. I don’t think Paul Murphy is the long term answer. He is a fantastic wing back and I’d prefer to see him there. Gavin Crowley or Sherwood perhaps?
Midfield has been well discussed and I think we are ok in the forwards. We’ve a lot of things to sort out but I think we have the right management setup in place and as someone else said they will have the time to put the work in now. It’s a pity our next proper competitive game is likely to be in July.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 1, 2019 13:10:27 GMT
I know we have seen him there before but why isn't P Crowley the CB?
Perhaps Morley is a better CB, I don't know.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 1, 2019 13:29:22 GMT
Mick - all these players will be playing at least 3 club championships games in the next month. What is needed is the Kerry management to get some quality time on the training pitch with this team and get across their plan for the summer. What is also needed is for some players to improve their own skill set - Tom Sullivan soloing out over the side line because he has no right leg and Jack Barry refusing twice to kick with his right before eventually kicking weakly with it and bouncing a ball into the keepers hands are two examples. Mayo are a really good team but they thrive in chaos and our team and management did nothing to prevent the game from getting chaotic in the 2nd half. But overall a league that will benefit the team and management hugely for the next few years IMO. Your point above about the basic skills I find hard to fathom with all our training and years of development squads any player putting on the jersey has to be comfortable off both feet and both hands That does explain a lot now in hindsight why some players would not pull the trigger when the shot was definitely on . Wanted skills coach in Kerry !! Skills are there in my opinion its getting to the pitch of senior ic and the lack of time and space in comparision to underage/club. Also nerves played a part tough on sos and clifford expected to lead the team at 20 years of age!!
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