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Post by Mickmack on Mar 26, 2019 23:27:24 GMT
I don’t know where this idea that Enright is the man for O’Shea has come from. Even if he could quieten O’Shea it would limit Kerry hugely around the middle. Enright will contribute absolutely nothing going the other way you would imagine and what would it s ay to the likes of Diarmuid O’Connor who did well last weekend to drop him for a veteran corner back who has no experience whatsoever of the position?Stick with O’Connor and Barry for me with Sean O’Shea and Gavin O’Brien dropping in to help out at times. If it’s not good enough so be it. Kick outs will be crucial, we got murdered there the last time we faced them. Well done to PK and his charges on getting this far btw. Win or lose it is a great feat with so many absentees and new faces throughout the competition. It is a pleasure to be heading up for this at the weekend I didn’t imagine we would see Croke Park until later in the year. I’d give us every chance here and expect a much improved performance over the one two weeks prior. I dont recall anyone suggesting that Diarmaid Oconnor be dropped. Kevin McCarthy is out so a gap has appeared. A reshuffle of the forwards would not be difficult. I have to say that I am fearful of a repeat of the 2017 league game v Dublin in Croker when Kerry got an awful bullying midway through the first half. I dont blame Dublin for that. They just laid down a marker that it was men v boys. Mayo are a lot further down the road as regards the dark arts than Kerry and matched Dublin in that respect on several occasions. The likes of OMahony, Donaghy and Maher are not around anymore and this current Kerry side are notably lacking in what they brought to the table. Mayo will sniff a chance that Dublin might be on the wane and 2019 could be their year. They will want to send a strong signal to Kerry on sunday that it is men against boys. I do realise that Sherwood and TW add a good bit of steel thsi year and players are a bit older. Still, the sense of foreboding remains.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Mar 26, 2019 23:57:59 GMT
I don’t know where this idea that Enright is the man for O’Shea has come from. Even if he could quieten O’Shea it would limit Kerry hugely around the middle. Enright will contribute absolutely nothing going the other way you would imagine and what would it s ay to the likes of Diarmuid O’Connor who did well last weekend to drop him for a veteran corner back who has no experience whatsoever of the position?Stick with O’Connor and Barry for me with Sean O’Shea and Gavin O’Brien dropping in to help out at times. If it’s not good enough so be it. Kick outs will be crucial, we got murdered there the last time we faced them. Well done to PK and his charges on getting this far btw. Win or lose it is a great feat with so many absentees and new faces throughout the competition. It is a pleasure to be heading up for this at the weekend I didn’t imagine we would see Croke Park until later in the year. I’d give us every chance here and expect a much improved performance over the one two weeks prior. I dont recall anyone suggesting that Diarmaid Oconnor be dropped. Kevin McCarthy is out so a gap has appeared. A reshuffle of the forwards would not be difficult. I have to say that I am fearful of a repeat of the 2017 league game v Dublin in Croker when Kerry got an awful bullying midway through the first half. I dont blame Dublin for that. They just laid down a marker that it was men v boys. Mayo are a lot further down the road as regards the dark arts than Kerry and matched Dublin in that respect on several occasions. The likes of OMahony, Donaghy and Maher are not around anymore and this current Kerry side are notably lacking in what they brought to the table. Mayo will sniff a chance that Dublin might be on the wane and 2019 could be their year. They will want to send a strong signal to Kerry on sunday that it is men against boys. I do realise that Sherwood and TW add a good bit of steel thsi year and players are a bit older. Still, the sense of foreboding remains. Fair enough, I just think if playing Enright around the middle is the answer then we are asking the wrong questions. It would be a submissive move driven by fear of the opponent. Very unlikely we will see it anyway so no point discussing it further. As for sniffing Dublin’s decline it’s a long way to July and August and the result this weekend won’t matter a jot at that stage IMO. We sent a message in 2017 this time of the year and went on to have one of the most disappointing championships in a long time. It will be nice to win on Sunday but hardly a disaster if we don’t. Same for mayo.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 27, 2019 0:46:20 GMT
I’m glad to see the discussion going back and forth about our midfield because I think it needs addressing .Its an area that s not firing properly yet. I would venture to say that we are as weak in this sector as we have been for quiet some time . Camouflaged by the manic work by SOS in this area and the work of Steven O Brien . Our midfield while working hard is being led by the forwards instead of the other way around . As a proud Kerry man I’m starting to get tired of the talk of how are we going to stop Aidan O Shea and how can we stop Brian Fintan . Why aren’t Mayo and Dublin saying how do we contain or counteract the Kerry 8 and 9. Are our midfielders getting the respect that we seem to be giving them ,I don’t think so . Ask yourself why ?I grew up in the era of Jacko and Seanie at centerfield maybe spoiled by the iconic midfield partnership. But we have to aspire to that level again. Even though I think we might have enough to beat mayo on Sunday we are going to have to be s lot more potent here come August otherwise we going to be just another team in transition.
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Post by hatchetman on Mar 27, 2019 8:10:55 GMT
Nothing wrong with being a team in transition ... Mayo have been doing that for almost 70 years.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 27, 2019 8:25:54 GMT
Gas negativity here. Start of the season Kerry would be relegated, then they might survive in Div.1. Kerry go on to blow the league out of the water and now some are negative about what might happen in the final. Bizarre stuff. I couldn't care less what happens on Sunday because all the young players will learn from it. Kerry will have a real pop at this one on Sunday.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 27, 2019 9:06:47 GMT
Really looking forward to Sunday.
Of all the league games played to date, I thought the Mayo game was the one that brought the most intensity and asked a lot of questions of players & management. The response, from both, was immediate with 5 changes for the Roscommon game and an equally positive response from the players - the conditions for both games were polar opposites however.
I feel that the team that started last weekend would have been good enough to take Mayo down and it’s not all down to David Clifford’s return either; granted, Roscommon were poor but we looked better balanced last week and equally played an awful lot more positively particularly from midfield up - there was a real tendency to get the ball moving forward as quickly as possible with the inside forwards being ready, willing and able - they were also alert to that fact and made the hard yards in anticipation of early ball.
A national final in Croke Park is a huge bonus for this group and will bring on their self belief in leaps & bounds - many of these young guys have been here before and walked away as winners - this is not to be underestimated and I believe it will drive us on to take the title.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 27, 2019 9:08:20 GMT
Gas negativity here. Start of the season Kerry would be relegated, then they might survive in Div.1. Kerry go on to blow the league out of the water and now some are negative about what might happen in the final. Bizarre stuff. I couldn't care less what happens on Sunday because all the young players will learn from it. Kerry will have a real pop at this one on Sunday. Spot on. If we were told we would be in the league final at the start , we wouldn’t believe it. Great achievement. I think Kerry will win this. Clifford could be the difference. As a matter of interest, what do people think will be the starting 15?!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 27, 2019 10:42:54 GMT
As an advocate of trying Gavin white in midfield I can't see the reasoning behind Enright there. At the moment Jack Barry seems to be a midfielder that we use to nullify the oppositions best player here as opposed to any creative force.
Therefore we need someone with him that can carry the ball, kick a point or pick a pass. Thats not enright. I don't know enough about O'Connor but he could develop. Mark Griffin isn't either. So for sunday I think it wil be DOC again
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 27, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
Sorry for bringing a negative vibe to the place.
Its exciting times to be a Kerryman.
I really don't care who wins either. I hope Mayo for it and that Kerry can meet that challenge.. in all senses of the word challenge.
PK and his team have done a brilliant job. TW was like a child in sand in the warm-down huddle DC had to give up on his warm-down to sign autographs for awe-struck kids.....a great sight to see.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2019 12:06:12 GMT
Gas negativity here. Start of the season Kerry would be relegated, then they might survive in Div.1. Kerry go on to blow the league out of the water and now some are negative about what might happen in the final. Bizarre stuff. I couldn't care less what happens on Sunday because all the young players will learn from it. Kerry will have a real pop at this one on Sunday. Spot on. If we were told we would be in the league final at the start , we wouldn’t believe it. Great achievement. I think Kerry will win this. Clifford could be the difference. As a matter of interest, what do people think will be the starting 15?! Id imagine he will go with the same again except for mcarthy be interesting to see who starts there will it be a wf like burns or an inside forward like JOD? He does like the roving no 15 hard to see JOD playing that role
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Post by buck02 on Mar 27, 2019 12:39:33 GMT
Spot on. If we were told we would be in the league final at the start , we wouldn’t believe it. Great achievement. I think Kerry will win this. Clifford could be the difference. As a matter of interest, what do people think will be the starting 15?! Id imagine he will go with the same again except for mcarthy be interesting to see who starts there will it be a wf like burns or an inside forward like JOD? He does like the roving no 15 hard to see JOD playing that role He might go with Stephen O'Brien/Tommy/Clifford full forward line with O Brien doing the roaming obviously and a half forward line of Gavin O Brien (even if just to give him a taste of Croke Park and also to add a bit of physicality in the half forward line), O'Shea and Dara Moynihan. Barry and Diarmuid O Connor midfield. Ryan in goals. Crowley, Sherwood and Begley full back line. Morley or Gavin Crowley, Murphy and Tom Sullivan the half backs.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 27, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
I don't see Mayo doing what Corofin did to Crokes and beating Kerry out the gate and I can't call the result but i do think Kerry will be right in this to the end. Extra time of 10 mins each way if the teams finish level and if the scores are still level, then two more five-minute periods of extra time will be added and then penalties apparently. If Limerick and Waterford draw on Sunday it's extra time too and this could delay the start of the Kerry vs Mayo game (good to keep in mind if traveling).
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2019 16:01:43 GMT
Id imagine he will go with the same again except for mcarthy be interesting to see who starts there will it be a wf like burns or an inside forward like JOD? He does like the roving no 15 hard to see JOD playing that role He might go with Stephen O'Brien/Tommy/Clifford full forward line with O Brien doing the roaming obviously and a half forward line of Gavin O Brien (even if just to give him a taste of Croke Park and also to add a bit of physicality in the half forward line), O'Shea and Dara Moynihan. Barry and Diarmuid O Connor midfield. Ryan in goals. Crowley, Sherwood and Begley full back line. Morley or Gavin Crowley, Murphy and Tom Sullivan the half backs. Thats what i expect myself maybe white instead of crowley? Wont be far off anyways
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 28, 2019 9:23:45 GMT
Sorry for bringing a negative vibe to the place. Its exciting times to be a Kerryman. I really don't care who wins either. I hope Mayo for it and that Kerry can meet that challenge.. in all senses of the word challenge. PK and his team have done a brilliant job. TW was like a child in sand in the warm-down huddle DC had to give up on his warm-down to sign autographs for awe-struck kids.....a great sight to see. Just let Sunday happen and go with it. There are some real quality young players coming through right now just striking out.
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Post by glengael on Mar 28, 2019 9:27:44 GMT
Small complaint but I guess we'll be wearing those god awful jerseys on Sunday...
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Post by jackiel on Mar 28, 2019 11:37:55 GMT
Hi all, I've been given 2 complimentary tickets (335 Lwr Hogan)for Sunday which I wont be using, if anyone would like them I can meet them and pass them on outside CP on Sunday.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 28, 2019 12:41:14 GMT
Sorry for bringing a negative vibe to the place. Its exciting times to be a Kerryman. I really don't care who wins either. I hope Mayo for it and that Kerry can meet that challenge.. in all senses of the word challenge. PK and his team have done a brilliant job. TW was like a child in sand in the warm-down huddle DC had to give up on his warm-down to sign autographs for awe-struck kids.....a great sight to see. No need to apologize for anything you are just offering up a solution to what has been a problem for us And the tactic you mentioned fighting fire with fire was used by Management In recently V Monaghan where they sprung Enright into midfield to Quell Doogan who was running riot and doing damage with his physical brand of football . So you idea has been used by our management recently. For me I’d rather see us out run and out gun the strong but slow mayo stalwart and you know AOS will come to town on Sunday with all his “tricks “ I think we shouldn’t over focus on him pick up the tempo and let him be grasping at shadows. Play our own brand as much as possible
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Post by southward on Mar 28, 2019 13:19:00 GMT
Sorry for bringing a negative vibe to the place. Its exciting times to be a Kerryman. I really don't care who wins either. I hope Mayo for it and that Kerry can meet that challenge.. in all senses of the word challenge. PK and his team have done a brilliant job. TW was like a child in sand in the warm-down huddle DC had to give up on his warm-down to sign autographs for awe-struck kids.....a great sight to see. No need to apologize for anything you are just offering up a solution to what has been a problem for us And the tactic you mentioned fighting fire with fire was used by Management In recently V Monaghan where they sprung Enright into midfield to Quell Doogan who was running riot and doing damage with his physical brand of football . So you idea has been used by our management recently. For me I’d rather see us out run and out gun the strong but slow mayo stalwart and you know AOS will come to town on Sunday with all his “tricks “ I think we shouldn’t over focus on him pick up the tempo and let him be grasping at shadows. Play our own brand as much as possible The referee could be the best man-marker for AOS on Sunday, or not, as the case may be. Don't know what Fergal Kelly's views are on charging or the forearm smash. Which isn't to say that's all there is to Aidan's game - he's a quality player but he does get away with a lot of overly-physical stuff. I suppose he gets enough of it too, in fairness.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 28, 2019 14:02:52 GMT
Sorry for bringing a negative vibe to the place. Its exciting times to be a Kerryman. I really don't care who wins either. I hope Mayo for it and that Kerry can meet that challenge.. in all senses of the word challenge. PK and his team have done a brilliant job. TW was like a child in sand in the warm-down huddle DC had to give up on his warm-down to sign autographs for awe-struck kids.....a great sight to see. No need to apologize for anything you are just offering up a solution to what has been a problem for us And the tactic you mentioned fighting fire with fire was used by Management In recently V Monaghan where they sprung Enright into midfield to Quell Doogan who was running riot and doing damage with his physical brand of football . So you idea has been used by our management recently. For me I’d rather see us out run and out gun the strong but slow mayo stalwart and you know AOS will come to town on Sunday with all his “tricks “ I think we shouldn’t over focus on him pick up the tempo and let him be grasping at shadows. Play our own brand as much as possible Thats the key really i have seen him twice in the flesh this year vs dublin he was chasing shadows due to the pace of the game tralee was a different story. If the weather is ok on Sunday i think it will benefit us massively keep the ball moving as fast as possible. Be interesting to see how mayo deal with the two boys inside they dont really have a full back that matches up favourably to either Walsh or Clifford never mind both
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Post by jackiel on Mar 28, 2019 14:07:19 GMT
Right so I've had a taker for 1 ticket, still have one left. PM me.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 28, 2019 17:42:27 GMT
2nd ticket gone. Roll on Sunday
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Post by southward on Mar 28, 2019 20:55:31 GMT
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 29, 2019 7:19:42 GMT
Really starting to look forward to Sunday now, some interesting battles to be played out. Mayo will be really hungry for the league title, especially when they haven't made a league final since their defeat to Cork in 2012. Also the Mayo lads are an ageing team with a good percentage of their players near 30 or older so it might be one of the last chances this particular team will have to win a national title but if they do take the title than this team will be extremely confident of claiming an AI title at some stage before the retirements kick in. In saying that this Kerry squad have a lot of players who have played only 1 league and 1 championship game in Croke Park and others with none, the likes of Clifford, O' Shea, Moynihan, Tom O'Sullivan will be chomping at the bit to try win a first senior national title in Croke Park and no matter how much Peter Keane says he wants to use the league as a way of building a team and defensive structure... he will 100% be trying his best to win his 1st title as Kerry senior manager. So all in all, both teams have everything to play for and it should make for a cracker of a match and hopefully the rain stays away for this one.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2019 9:31:30 GMT
Will Clarke be in goal for Mayo. A lot hangs on that.
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Post by animal on Mar 29, 2019 10:05:38 GMT
Will Clarke be in goal for Mayo. A lot hangs on that. Clarke was taken off due to injury and Hennelly came on against Monaghan. Clarke is the better keeper by a country mile. Apparently if the match is level after extra time we go to penalties! What do the purists make of that?! If we went to penalties and Clarke was in goals I would not fancy our chances. Penalties have replaced the free kick contest in deciding games. I think there were a couple of games in the FBD league decided on penalties. Unlikely to come to it but it would be quite the novelty.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 29, 2019 10:48:08 GMT
Will Clarke be in goal for Mayo. A lot hangs on that. Clarke was taken off due to injury and Hennelly came on against Monaghan. Clarke is the better keeper by a country mile. Apparently if the match is level after extra time we go to penalties! What do the purists make of that?! If we went to penalties and Clarke was in goals I would not fancy our chances. Penalties have replaced the free kick contest in deciding games. I think there were a couple of games in the FBD league decided on penalties. Unlikely to come to it but it would be quite the novelty. I don't agree with the penalty shootout in football. The rule last year was for a free kick shootout from the top of the D(33m). I don't think it was used in any match. The rule for hurling was a 65m shootout. This was used in the Limerick Clare hurling league quarterfinal last year. This shootout was quite boring for spectators and hence the reason for changing to penalties. But why change the football rule when the freekick shootout was never used? I would prefer to test the Gaelic skills of the players rather than testing their soccer skills.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 29, 2019 10:53:47 GMT
Shootout rule should differ between hurling and football. I'd like to see an ice hockey type shootout in football. Get possession of the ball on the 21 and have 12 seconds to score a goal.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 29, 2019 11:05:09 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Mar 29, 2019 11:11:25 GMT
Shootout rule should differ between hurling and football. I'd like to see an ice hockey type shootout in football. Get possession of the ball on the 21 and have 12 seconds to score a goal. Jesus could you imagine the controversy over steps etc!
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 29, 2019 11:23:51 GMT
Shootout rule should differ between hurling and football. I'd like to see an ice hockey type shootout in football. Get possession of the ball on the 21 and have 12 seconds to score a goal. Jesus could you imagine the controversy over steps etc! Couldn't be worse than penalties, I'd say keepers are off their line before the ball is kicked about 90% of the time.
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