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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 8, 2019 19:45:41 GMT
If the dubs get Sean o Shea in midfield they will physically crucify him in the hope he picks up an injury, midfield is one position that I would not like to see him for that reason alone. I know he is a hardy boy but he is a fantastic 11, he has the engine to cover back and he has wonderful attacking intelligence. You could almost blindfold and spin a player in circles and when he’d kick the ball o Shea would be onder it with his ball awareness. Our collective defensive structure has improved immeasurably but we still have a few ropes to tie in that area but with Buckley’s guidance I think we’ll get it done. O Beaglaoich is being passed with a little too much ease for my liking, I know he’s a wonderful player but he simply has to up that side of the game. Mind you I haven’t marked mannion in a while !!! I suppose the ol’ ditch is an easy place to stand.....
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 8, 2019 22:18:45 GMT
When Paul Geaney played with UCC and they were under the cosh a bit, Billy Morgan brought him out to mid field and he set up/ got a score.
Am I off my game here?? Or is there a place for him around the middle?? He seemed to drift out quite a bit during the early league games anyway.
For me, Peter Keane is either MINDING David Moran or phasing him out. The latter for me would be sad.
But at the end of the day the whole sideline seem to be in tandem. That's a GOOOOOOOD sign.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 8, 2019 22:31:40 GMT
Phasing Moran out? He's injured.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 8, 2019 22:44:52 GMT
If the dubs get Sean o Shea in midfield they will physically crucify him in the hope he picks up an injury, midfield is one position that I would not like to see him for that reason alone. I know he is a hardy boy but he is a fantastic 11, he has the engine to cover back and he has wonderful attacking intelligence. You could almost blindfold and spin a player in circles and when he’d kick the ball o Shea would be onder it with his ball awareness. Our collective defensive structure has improved immeasurably but we still have a few ropes to tie in that area but with Buckley’s guidance I think we’ll get it done. O Beaglaoich is being passed with a little too much ease for my liking, I know he’s a wonderful player but he simply has to up that side of the game. Mind you I haven’t marked mannion in a while !!! I suppose the ol’ ditch is an easy place to stand..... The last time SOS was physically crucified was playing at 11 against Dublin Where he was blatantly targeted by among otheres John Small SOS ended up in hospital and did not play any football for several months after that’s happened and not to long ago but it had little to do with what position he was in . Knowing the Dublin defenders like I do if personal safety is a concern I’d say the middle of park would be a safer bet ! Point I’ve been making is that SOS already play s midfield despite the number on his back and by all accounts doing very well there . My point is now we need a center forward .
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 8, 2019 22:45:10 GMT
Phasing Moran out? He's injured.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 8, 2019 22:47:18 GMT
Can someone give me a few examples of a David Moran signature performance in the championship big game outside of 2014? Not doing him a disservice but, we are not talking about the second coming of Jacko or Darragh here.
He's a damn fine player but, maybe not suited to a midfield berth for the best interests of the team. A less skillful player might serve the team dynamic better.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 8, 2019 22:50:05 GMT
Phasing Moran out? He's injured. Before you get carried away Scaul I'm a big fan of David Moran. With a decent team around him he could be the making of us . But Peter Keane is thinking outside the box Thank God. So is David his idea of a definite starter? We will wait and see.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Mar 8, 2019 22:51:52 GMT
Phasing Moran out? He's injured. OR MINDING HIM SCAUL?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 8, 2019 22:56:03 GMT
I’m know SOS wears number 11 but imo he plays like 8 or 9 he works like a dog. He forages deep he tacles hard he can shoot To me he’s a midfielder in Cener forwards clothing. He’s not the orthodox CF who can drill through the center with power and pace so he drops back a bit and does what he’s good at and we’re winning and all is rosy in the garden .no matter what number you put on his back that’s the game he plays so why change ? As other posters have said leave well enough alone I get that completely. 100%. But now we have two midfielders and a center forward neither of which offer a serious attacking threat being totally honest. But if we think that’s enough attack to beat the Dubs then “happy days”!! SOS I don’t argue has been brilliant for us so far this year but he’ll frighten No one at CF he plays too deep . Can you imagine the problems wed cause to a good team if Stephen O Brien was gunning through the center taking on players. Or David Moran who would cause all kinds of problem s for a defense And let SOS keep doing exactly what he s doing but give us a back a CF that plays higher up is more of a scoring passing threat. To do this we would not have to change any numbers on the jerseys SOS wears 11 but plays like always does exactly same. And DM drifts to the forty with 9 on his back What threat exactly would Moran offer at centre forward? He would not have the range of passing Sean O Shea has. Doesn't offer the same scoring threat. Is a lazy tackler in my opinion. If I was dublin I would much rather see Moran at CF than SOS. As for O'Brien in the half forwards full time. It's been tried countless times. He's too one dimensional there and carries the ball into contact too much. Best off let him play out from the corner on the loop. Doesn't have the vision either to see a pass there. He's had the odd ocassional success there against Kildare in 15 and a goal against Mayo in 17. He too is a poor tackler. I don't get asking for SOS to be moved to in essence find a place for Moran. Our half forwards of Moynihan, SOS and OBrien have done very well thus far. I would play Moran as a corner forward helping out at midfield before I would move SOS. Our best forwards in the league have been O'Brien, Moynihan,SOS, SOB, Walsh. We have Geaney and Clifford to comeback. And hopefully a fit JOD. Not to mention Keane plays Lyne as a half forward. If Moran starts it will be as a midfielder with a half forward / corner forward doing the box to box stuff for him and letting him play between the 2 45s. Plenty to debate on there which is good but just two points David Moran s late attack through the middle was what got us over the line against Dublin this year let’s not forget that. DM v Cian o sullivan with the mark etc I d back Moran all day . Also I’m sure you’ve notice like all the rest of us SOB is absolutely in flying form this year he’s stronger Heavier and fitter I don’t think going back three years is a fair judgement on him I think he’s a different player now than he was i hope he keeps that up because I think he’s unstoppable at present.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 8, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
If the dubs get Sean o Shea in midfield they will physically crucify him in the hope he picks up an injury, midfield is one position that I would not like to see him for that reason alone. I know he is a hardy boy but he is a fantastic 11, he has the engine to cover back and he has wonderful attacking intelligence. You could almost blindfold and spin a player in circles and when he’d kick the ball o Shea would be onder it with his ball awareness. Our collective defensive structure has improved immeasurably but we still have a few ropes to tie in that area but with Buckley’s guidance I think we’ll get it done. O Beaglaoich is being passed with a little too much ease for my liking, I know he’s a wonderful player but he simply has to up that side of the game. Mind you I haven’t marked mannion in a while !!! I suppose the ol’ ditch is an easy place to stand..... The last time SOS was physically crucified was playing at 11 against Dublin Where he was blatantly targeted by among otheres John Small SOS ended up in hospital and did not play any football for several months after that’s happened and not to long ago but it had little to do with what position he was in . Knowing the Dublin defenders like I do if personal safety is a concern I’d say the middle of park would be a safer bet ! Point I’ve been making is that SOS already play s midfield despite the number on his back and by all accounts doing very well there . My point is now we need a center forward . Sean o Shea played against Clare on the Munster semi on the June Bank holiday weekend. I think the Dublin game was round 5/6 of the league. He was not injured for several months.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 8, 2019 23:03:56 GMT
I’m know SOS wears number 11 but imo he plays like 8 or 9 he works like a dog. He forages deep he tacles hard he can shoot To me he’s a midfielder in Cener forwards clothing. He’s not the orthodox CF who can drill through the center with power and pace so he drops back a bit and does what he’s good at and we’re winning and all is rosy in the garden .no matter what number you put on his back that’s the game he plays so why change ? As other posters have said leave well enough alone I get that completely. 100%. But now we have two midfielders and a center forward neither of which offer a serious attacking threat being totally honest. But if we think that’s enough attack to beat the Dubs then “happy days”!! SOS I don’t argue has been brilliant for us so far this year but he’ll frighten No one at CF he plays too deep . Can you imagine the problems wed cause to a good team if Stephen O Brien was gunning through the center taking on players. Or David Moran who would cause all kinds of problem s for a defense And let SOS keep doing exactly what he s doing but give us a back a CF that plays higher up is more of a scoring passing threat. To do this we would not have to change any numbers on the jerseys SOS wears 11 but plays like always does exactly same. And DM drifts to the forty with 9 on his back Sean O'Shea offers a huge attacking threat. He'll frighten every team in the country. You're talking absolute nonsense. “Absolute nonsense “that’s what our experts here on this forum said when I said early league that we’d be heading for league final end of March and most likely be facing the Dubs Stay tuned !!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 8, 2019 23:15:28 GMT
The last time SOS was physically crucified was playing at 11 against Dublin Where he was blatantly targeted by among otheres John Small SOS ended up in hospital and did not play any football for several months after that’s happened and not to long ago but it had little to do with what position he was in . Knowing the Dublin defenders like I do if personal safety is a concern I’d say the middle of park would be a safer bet ! Point I’ve been making is that SOS already play s midfield despite the number on his back and by all accounts doing very well there . My point is now we need a center forward . Sean o Shea played against Clare on the Munster semi on the June Bank holiday weekend. I think the Dublin game was round 5/6 of the league. He was not injured for several months. Check it out March 11 Kerry v Dublin never came out for the second half went to hospital that’s a good bit to June
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 9, 2019 0:13:12 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 9, 2019 7:19:50 GMT
Before you get carried away Scaul I'm a big fan of David Moran. With a decent team around him he could be the making of us . But Peter Keane is thinking outside the box Thank God. So is David his idea of a definite starter? We will wait and see. I didn't say he was a definite starter. I just don't think we can infer from recent absences that Keane is phasing him out.
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Post by fitz on Mar 9, 2019 12:48:44 GMT
Moran does sell a very high end brand of dummy, very composed in possession under pressure, yes he’s been turned over too in the past, but I think he’s improved that aspect of his game,he provides a number of strong options still, maybe starting isn’t one of them. In a tight game needing scores I’d like him on the pitch
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Post by egbabroad on Mar 9, 2019 13:36:06 GMT
Any sign of Clifford getting a game before the end of the league?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 9, 2019 13:44:41 GMT
Moran does sell a very high end brand of dummy, very composed in possession under pressure, yes he’s been turned over too in the past, but I think he’s improved that aspect of his game,he provides a number of strong options still, maybe starting isn’t one of them. In a tight game needing scores I’d like him on the pitch Moran was a huge part of putting Dublin to the Sword in Tralee lately He showed some real footballing skills throughout this move as mentioned above. That surprised me because I ve not know him to have such ball handling skills I was so wrong on that count. But more important was his determination not to be beat . He basically said “we’re not getting beat here tonight no way “ “ Not on My Watch “Then he led that drive up through the middle like an real leader and between him and Crowley laid down a marker saying we’re not going anywhere and we’re never beat . No way !!
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 9, 2019 15:32:34 GMT
Any sign of Clifford getting a game before the end of the league? Very strong possibility he is on the bench for this game.
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Post by greenmen55 on Mar 9, 2019 19:23:51 GMT
Anyone know if there will be anymore tickets going on sale this week?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 9, 2019 21:45:26 GMT
David Moran is our best midfielder. He is very big man who has battled back from two cruciate injuries and thats no easy thing. My main issue is some decision making, we need our senior lads doing the right thing at the right times and setting examples. Thinking of the closing minutes of the Monaghan game last year that cost us an opportunity to win that game albeit against the run of the game overall.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 10, 2019 17:02:43 GMT
Didn't he have a stormer in the league final two years ago? Class player when fully fit.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 10, 2019 18:37:30 GMT
Didn't he have a stormer in the league final two years ago? Class player when fully fit. He did but the question you might be answering did say championship.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 10, 2019 22:03:55 GMT
Moran has all the skills. That's not in question. His pace for the modern intercounty game at midfield is the question. We are taking the dubs as the benchmark. If we say we are using Barry to hopefully break even with Fenton are we matching moran with McCarthy or an equally pacey Howard.
I am against moving him to the half foward line as him and SOS would be doing the same role. I am loathe to move SOS full stop.
How do you get the best from moran and the team?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 11, 2019 0:38:21 GMT
Moran has all the skills. That's not in question. His pace for the modern intercounty game at midfield is the question. We are taking the dubs as the benchmark. If we say we are using Barry to hopefully break even with Fenton are we matching moran with McCarthy or an equally pacey Howard. I am against moving him to the half foward line as him and SOS would be doing the same role. I am loathe to move SOS full stop. How do you get the best from moran and the team? No one is talking about moving SOS he’s playing a third midfielder role for the games I’ve seen him play and doing well no need to change him We don’t play an orthodox holding center forward I think DM can do that job for Parts of the game he’s got a Ariel’s threat here that would be a problem for most center backs and despite what people have been saying he can play football too. But the more likely use of DM is as a last quater closing Midfielder as he done recently v Dublin successfuly Or a combination of above as he probably can’t give you 70 hard minutes box to box anymore
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Post by dc84 on Mar 12, 2019 9:52:22 GMT
Any more news on Clifford? Be great to see him back for last 2 league games and hopefully a final. He will add a massive new dimension to our play hopefully we can score/create more goals. That is the one aspect of our play that has been poor one goal in 5 isnt great.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 12, 2019 10:44:32 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Mar 12, 2019 17:17:17 GMT
Any more news on Clifford? Be great to see him back for last 2 league games and hopefully a final. He will add a massive new dimension to our play hopefully we can score/create more goals. That is the one aspect of our play that has been poor one goal in 5 isnt great. Good point - we're not even creating goal chances in games. However I think this league was more important about finding a defensive game plan as opposed to an attacking one. Kerry will have May and June to work on the attacking side of things after the end of the league and club championships.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 13, 2019 18:55:05 GMT
Moran has all the skills. That's not in question. His pace for the modern intercounty game at midfield is the question. We are taking the dubs as the benchmark. If we say we are using Barry to hopefully break even with Fenton are we matching moran with McCarthy or an equally pacey Howard. I am against moving him to the half foward line as him and SOS would be doing the same role. I am loathe to move SOS full stop. How do you get the best from moran and the team? No one is talking about moving SOS he’s playing a third midfielder role for the games I’ve seen him play and doing well no need to change him We don’t play an orthodox holding center forward I think DM can do that job for Parts of the game he’s got a Ariel’s threat here that would be a problem for most center backs and despite what people have been saying he can play football too. But the more likely use of DM is as a last quater closing Midfielder as he done recently v Dublin successfuly Or a combination of above as he probably can’t give you 70 hard minutes box to box anymore In the modern game you can't play both Moran and SOS in the same team. Both look to get on handy ball and pick out passes etc. If Moran is playing as an unorthodox centre forward to use your term it means SOS is playing midfield. You need 2 midfielders that can track and stay with runners if we have an unorthodox centre forward. SOS is better at this role moran so should be left there. Otherwise we need an extra forward to track the runners from midfield. Creating too big a gap between the lines as our wing forwards in Gavin O'Brien and Dara moynihan already drop deep. Resulting in long passes out of defence meaning a loss of possession. Or a forward dropping out to the 40 allowing the other team have a sweeper.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 14, 2019 1:06:57 GMT
No one is talking about moving SOS he’s playing a third midfielder role for the games I’ve seen him play and doing well no need to change him We don’t play an orthodox holding center forward I think DM can do that job for Parts of the game he’s got a Ariel’s threat here that would be a problem for most center backs and despite what people have been saying he can play football too. But the more likely use of DM is as a last quater closing Midfielder as he done recently v Dublin successfuly Or a combination of above as he probably can’t give you 70 hard minutes box to box anymore In the modern game you can't play both Moran and SOS in the same team. Both look to get on handy ball and pick out passes etc. If Moran is playing as an unorthodox centre forward to use your term it means SOS is playing midfield. You need 2 midfielders that can track and stay with runners if we have an unorthodox centre forward. SOS is better at this role moran so should be left there. Otherwise we need an extra forward to track the runners from midfield. Creating too big a gap between the lines as our wing forwards in Gavin O'Brien and Dara moynihan already drop deep. Resulting in long passes out of defence meaning a loss of possession. Or a forward droppi ng out to the 40 allowing the other team have a sweeper. You make some good points as always but The Modern game you say dosent allow for both to be on the field at the same time and I get where your coming from but I wouldn’t agree necessarily. Your version of the modern game involves tracking runners and tracking runners that’s vital but if your only selected for tracking runners we d only have about two scoring forwards that’s kind of how we played under the previous management . Example Donnacha Walsh spent so much time tracking back that there was no need ever to defend him your were better off putting a scoring wing forward on him . hopefully we have tweaked that now and our scorers can come from any one of 15 players who force the other team to track back for a change . Dublin’s center back is famous for his sweeper role and with SOS at 11 Cian O Sullivan or john Small can go back and help cover in front of Tommy Walsh because he won’t be occupied by our 11 who works so hard that he spends a lot of his time on the defensive side of the half way line With Moran playing on the forty hes more physically able to stand up to John Small and he can win high ball outside the D over Cian o Sullivan which will occupy him so he won’t be standing in front of Tommy all the time as an auxiliary sweeper Neither of those two Dublin Center backs are scoring backs and don’t get forward effectively hence no need to worry about tracking back all afternoon Force them to track us just like we force James Mc Carthy back to mind the house where he could no longer threaten us those rampaging runs. I d say Dublin would like to see SOS at 11 John Small or Eric Lowndes Would back themselves to out muscle him and if it’s COS he can revert back to the game he specializes in with no one driving hard through the middle Remember also the Mark if Tommy can do it so can David .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 14, 2019 9:06:12 GMT
It would be a totally different scenario in 2016 v Dublin and 2017 v Mayo if Kerry had got 50% of possession from all restarts.
It didnt happen in those games so tracking back and being on the back foot was Kerrys lot.
There is evidence that Kerry will be better in 2019 in this respect with fielding ability in a half forward of Gavin o Brien, SOS and Dara Moynihan allied to Moran, JB and possibly TW at midfield. I think the short kickout option will be better too than in 2016 and 2017 whichever of the Shanes is in goal.
Kerry also pack more scoring power in this years half back line than in 2016 v Dublin for example with Tom Sullivan and Paul Murphy in particular complementing the forwards.
So maybe our opponents will be the ones worrying about tracking back this year. Maybe the fundamental root cause of Kerrys woes since 2014 will finally be solved... "getting your hands on the football" from restarts to quote Eddie o Sullivan
I havent referenced 2018. Better to wipe 2018 from the memory bank.
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