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Post by onlykerry on Mar 4, 2019 15:58:28 GMT
Veteran, i'm sure you meant Shane Ryan. " Shane Murphy once more did not impress. He delivered a horrible first half kick out from which Monaghan should have scored, he commendably went high to save a point but made a hash of clearing, he sallied forth in the second half and had to dangerously double back after facing a road block and then he failed to hold that last minute high one which was goal wards bound only for the intervention of Peter. In summary I would say that Shane looks every inch like a goal keeper who has only played five competitive games in goals over the past number of years" Interesting observations on Shane Ryan - gives a little credibility to both JOC and EF who were were (apparently) reluctant to pick him as he was not playing in goal for his club. Those supporting him as GK were quick to point to other keepers who play outfield for club. Has definite ability as a GK but some worrying incidents at the top level of intercounty keeping - jury is still out on who will #1 come the championship.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 4, 2019 16:09:58 GMT
Is it allowable criticism - the kind that might not upset anybody, to pose the following questions that a few people in my vicinity were discussing in the stand yesterday? 1. Why was Brian O’Beaglaíoch left marking a man who clearly had his number from the start? Not good for his confidence. 2. Why was Shane Enright deployed at midfield when Mark Griffin was taken off? 3. Why was fullback Jack Sherwood replaced by a smallish corner forward, Thomás O’Shea at a time when Jason Foley was still on the bench? When the previous management had engaged in a similar decision they were called out. I expect to be flamed here, but we have to be able to say the unsayable 1. I agree on this. Change should have happened quicker. 2. Enright came on a Midfield to quieten Gavin Doogan who was on a wrecking spree of late hits and nasty little challenges. Shane Enright came in and shut him down physically. Great call IMO. 3. Tomás was stripped and ready to come on for a forward when Sherwood went down injured. So they brought him on. Foley was brought on fairly soon after if I recall. Mikey Geaney dropped a bit deeper during that time. 1. Begley had his number in the 2nd half in fairness 2.same as above good call we dont really have 2 many mf options anyway Also the reason why no one called it out is because IT WORKED we won the game and the 4 previous ones aswell.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 4, 2019 16:24:33 GMT
Regarding BOB and his marking of O’Hanlon. O’Beaglaoich has shown great resilience in the past when dealing with a difficult opponent; in league vs Dublin 2015 in Croke Park he suffered a torrid first 15/20 mins when marking Paul Mannion - he turned things around and was probably one of our better players by the end. I would not worry about his confidence being dented - he is probably seen as one of our championship starters & management would therefore have been reluctant to change him.
Shane Ryan has certainly suffered by playing outfield for club & college and needs plenty of more time between the sticks if he is to be our No 1. It will be interesting to see what will happen post St Patrick’s Day with Shane Murphy - if he gets the nod vs Roscommon he will almost certainly start the league final ( would be unlikely that we would not be in CP on 31/03) - if not, Ryan would keep his place for a league final .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 4, 2019 16:33:17 GMT
Shane Enright might get more action "out the field" under PK. He has lots to offer in the middle third and going forward into attacking roles. And he wont go back from anything.
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Post by veteran on Mar 4, 2019 16:59:12 GMT
Fado , of course you are right . I meant to say Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy.
Taibhse, you are right of course to pose those three questions. Human nature being what it is we are inclined to gloss over deficiencies when victory was s secured. I certainly was surprised to see Shane Enrifht coming on at midfield but as somebody else pointed out very likely it was to have him get stuck into Mark Griffins’s opponent who was proving to be a handful. He did that. However , I have often seen Shane playing in the half back line for Tarbert and I am not sure if he has a future out field.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 4, 2019 17:07:32 GMT
Fado , of course you are right . I meant to say Shane Ryan rather than Shane Murphy. Taibhse, you are right of course to pose those three questions. Human nature being what it is we are inclined to gloss over deficiencies when victory was s secured. I certainly was surprised to see Shane Enrifht coming on at midfield but as somebody else pointed out very likely it was to have him get stuck into Mark Griffins’s opponent who was proving to be a handful. He did that. However , I have often seen Shane playing in the half back line for Tarbert and I am not sure if he has a future out field. I think Shane might be better suited out the field than in the full back line at this stage in his career. And looking at the Galway game it seems the management think the same. Shane played wing back and Gavin Crowley was in the full back line, often on his own marking the Galway corner forward. I thought putting Enright on Grogan was a good move. Somebody needed to remind Grogan that he couldnt do as he wished out there and Shane did that.
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Post by taibhse on Mar 4, 2019 17:19:28 GMT
Thank you there Veteran. Your imprimatur is the gold standard in my book. I’m not going to go on about this because it’s harder to be subtle than strident in any discourse about this, so far, successful management.
I don’t see this present Kerry setup accepting the short term limitations others put on them. The players will be conscious that this is not a mission, even a cause, beyond them. Anyone who ever read a comic will know that a great hero needs a greater villain. The great Dublin Behemoths evoke the emotions and provides that motivation to spoil their party next September.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 4, 2019 21:48:01 GMT
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 4, 2019 22:15:08 GMT
Thanks for the great post again Veteran- very useful for those of us who could not be there. Jackiel - could you not have put the child out in the snow for a while? That would have kept him busy Enright definitely is able to do a job out the field as he has the fitness and physique for it. Perhaps he could be the man to mark the likes of Kilkenny and Michael Murphy when the time comes, as I dont think Paul has the physique for those lads. Otherwise, Gavin Crowley would be the option for those 2.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 4, 2019 22:24:17 GMT
1. I agree on this. Change should have happened quicker. 2. Enright came on a Midfield to quieten Gavin Doogan who was on a wrecking spree of late hits and nasty little challenges. Shane Enright came in and shut him down physically. Great call IMO. 3. Tomás was stripped and ready to come on for a forward when Sherwood went down injured. So they brought him on. Foley was brought on fairly soon after if I recall. Mikey Geaney dropped a bit deeper during that time. 1. Begley had his number in the 2nd half in fairness 2.same as above good call we dont really have 2 many mf options anyway Also the reason why no one called it out is because IT WORKED we won the game and the 4 previous ones aswell. 1 Begley is a hard working grafter with great tenacity but has been well beat several times this league already,lets call a spade a spade but I like where PK gave him plenty time to redeem himself . Not sure if able for Costello and Mannion et al never mind the Brilliant Steven O Hanlon Graham O Sullivan Showed promise in his brief role and Ronan Shannahan comes to mind when it come to stronger corner backs well need it .
2. Doogan was running riot as he has done frequently may be close to the edge but id love to have him on my team underated Shane Came in and don't ask me how but Doogan fizzled out without much marking by Shane really either way we were fighting fire with fire . Still Midfield is a problem Jack Barry seem to be getting confidence but would make no other top 5 team at 8 or 9 being real. Gavin O Brien midfielder in waiting but maybe next year . Sean O Shea is Playing like a Midfielder IMO I think that s where we can use him because we simply are deficient here and wont do unless things improve here.and fast . Then we d need to find a more offensive center forward which should be doable since we cant seem to find midfielder of the top quality
3. Putting in a Forward for a Back that's called going for it ! for too long we would have been doing the opposite. good to see positive attacking football when the game is on the line why not its working!
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Post by jackiel on Mar 4, 2019 22:44:58 GMT
Thanks for the great post again Veteran- very useful for those of us who could not be there. Jackiel - could you not have put the child out in the snow for a while? That would have kept him busy Enright definitely is able to do a job out the field as he has the fitness and physique for it. Perhaps he could be the man to mark the likes of Kilkenny and Michael Murphy when the time comes, as I dont think Paul has the physique for those lads. Otherwise, Gavin Crowley would be the option for those 2. no snow in Roscommon yesterday !!
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Post by themanfromthewest on Mar 5, 2019 0:19:28 GMT
1. Begley had his number in the 2nd half in fairness 2.same as above good call we dont really have 2 many mf options anyway Also the reason why no one called it out is because IT WORKED we won the game and the 4 previous ones aswell. 1 Begley is a hard working grafter with great tenacity but has been well beat several times this league already,lets call a spade a spade but I like where PK gave him plenty time to redeem himself . Not sure if able for Costello and Mannion et al never mind the Brilliant Steven O Hanlon Graham O Sullivan Showed promise in his brief role and Ronan Shannahan comes to mind when it come to stronger corner backs well need it
Corner back is one of the games most unforgiving positions and young Beaglaíoch is still only 21 afaik I remember Marc O’Se and Tom O’Sullivan getting a couple of roastings when they were starting out too. I don’t think he was doing badly at all up to the last day bar one slip up against Dublin. He is more of a wing back than a man marking corner IMO but if he wants to keep his place he certainly does need to improve. I believe he can and will.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2019 8:41:44 GMT
The ball into BOB and his man in the first half gave BOB zero chance of gaining possession. His man could turn on a sixpence. BOB is now in black card territory.
Every corner back gets skinned when no pressure is on the guy delivering the perfect ball to the corner forward.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2019 9:30:17 GMT
Darren Gavin got MOTM for Dublin v Roscommon. He already looks like another Fenton.
He looks like this years big find to go with Howard in 2017, Con in 2016, Fenton in 2015 etc
The conveyor belt is ticking along nicely.
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Post by homerj on Mar 5, 2019 11:18:55 GMT
The ball into BOB and his man in the first half gave BOB zero chance of gaining possession. His man could turn on a sixpence. BOB is now in black card territory. might be better taking one next game, miss roscommon and then is he wiped clean for the year or would another one later, lead to more trouble
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 5, 2019 11:26:08 GMT
The ball into BOB and his man in the first half gave BOB zero chance of gaining possession. His man could turn on a sixpence. BOB is now in black card territory. Every corner back gets skinned when no pressure is on the guy delivering the perfect ball to the corner forward. Steven o Hanlon made a fool out of Johnny Cooper when they beat Dublin and like him or not Johnny is one of the best CB s in the game over the last number of years he’s still be the second name I’d put on the team sheet after Cluxton So B ‘OB is in good company ,he may also have to learn a few of the more subtle parts of the most difficult position to play on a football field .
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 5, 2019 11:26:20 GMT
The ball into BOB and his man in the first half gave BOB zero chance of gaining possession. His man could turn on a sixpence. BOB is now in black card territory. Every corner back gets skinned when no pressure is on the guy delivering the perfect ball to the corner forward. Steven o Hanlon made a fool out of Johnny Cooper when they beat Dublin and like him or not Johnny is one of the best CB s in the game over the last number of years he’s still be the second name I’d put on the team sheet after Cluxton So B ‘OB is in good company ,he may also have to learn a few of the more subtle parts of the most difficult position to play on a football field .
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Post by dc84 on Mar 5, 2019 13:07:03 GMT
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Post by tonydorigo on Mar 5, 2019 13:09:32 GMT
Lads are very quick to write fellas off. Reminds me of being at a minor match before inside in Listowel and having older lads writing fellas off over one mistake!
Begley has done well for us whenever trusted with a man marking job and always seems to get on top over the course of a game despite initially looking unstable. The fella needs time. Key is not leaving 40 yards of space in front of full back line like we did against Donegal in League and Monaghan in Championship last year.
Ditto for Shane Ryan. We had reservations about Shane Murphy as well last year and he was replaced in the middle of championship. Goalkeepers need time to settle and learn the position. Shane has looked dodgy at times but you would never have said that Declan O'Keeffe looked like a prospect after his minor days so patience is needed.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2019 17:27:53 GMT
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 5, 2019 18:15:16 GMT
Lads are very quick to write fellas off. Reminds me of being at a minor match before inside in Listowel and having older lads writing fellas off over one mistake! Begley has done well for us whenever trusted with a man marking job and always seems to get on top over the course of a game despite initially looking unstable. The fella needs time. Key is not leaving 40 yards of space in front of full back line like we did against Donegal in League and Monaghan in Championship last year. Ditto for Shane Ryan. We had reservations about Shane Murphy as well last year and he was replaced in the middle of championship. Goalkeepers need time to settle and learn the position. Shane has looked dodgy at times but you would never have said that Declan O'Keeffe looked like a prospect after his minor days so patience is needed. Point very well taken patience is needed but we’re facing a league final all going well against Dublin in a few weeks time .
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Post by piggott on Mar 5, 2019 18:49:57 GMT
Lads are very quick to write fellas off. Reminds me of being at a minor match before inside in Listowel and having older lads writing fellas off over one mistake! Begley has done well for us whenever trusted with a man marking job and always seems to get on top over the course of a game despite initially looking unstable. The fella needs time. Key is not leaving 40 yards of space in front of full back line like we did against Donegal in League and Monaghan in Championship last year. Ditto for Shane Ryan. We had reservations about Shane Murphy as well last year and he was replaced in the middle of championship. Goalkeepers need time to settle and learn the position. Shane has looked dodgy at times but you would never have said that Declan O'Keeffe looked like a prospect after his minor days so patience is needed. Or after AISF v Mayo '96. Outstanding then from '97 to '03. Likewise Tomás famous nightmare v Cork in '98. Confidence is the key!!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2019 18:50:48 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 7, 2019 13:02:20 GMT
Any update on Jack Sherwood's injury?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 7, 2019 20:29:23 GMT
Shane Ryan needs to work on making the decision to come off his line or stay put...very basic goalkeeping, which shows his inexperience between the posts. He should be released to play all club games as a goalkeeper (with Rathmore's agreement, of course).
In two consecutive games he has come too far off his line and ended up unable to punch the ball high and away from the danger area. Other defenders seem to sense this weakness, as why else would Peter Crowley run in behind him to divert the danger if he wasn't expecting a blunder in the first place?
Plenty of games will fix this - all the drills in the world will have no positive result. No doubt Donie B will devise some game-like situation to use in improving this basic skill. Then we will hope to have have a top-class goalkeeper in all facets of the game as Shane's skills in the rest of the goalkeeping art seem top-class.
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