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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2019 15:06:06 GMT
This is Dublin's biggest strength though. The Dublin team were mostly lads in their late 20s with years of strength and conditioning behind them. Super fit and if you look at any tight matches they played over the last 5 years it's the final 10 minutes that count. This versus a team of young Kerry boys who have been playing a frightful amount of games and haven't been in senior intercounty training for a long time yet. It is something they need to work on, but as the season goes on they will reap the benefits of training. Stephen Cluxton is now 37 Philip McMahon 31 Cian O'Sullivan 30 to be 31 soon Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eoghan O'Gara 33 Kevin McManamon 32 Michael Darragh MacAuley 32 Eric Lowndes 25 Paul Flynn 32 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Darren Daly 31 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Paddy Andrews 30
Realistically the players that are the future of Dublin are beatable in my opinion: Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eric Lowndes 25 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23
Time waits for no man and youth is the future. I suppose the U20 will have the core of the all conquering minor teams in it. But there are plenty of minor winners now over the U20 grade and not in the senior team (yet). Will Keane keep casting his net and have an extended panel in training for the championship?
More importantly can we produce another all conquering minor team, now that the hunger has died down a bit, and get an U20 final, or maybe even win it?
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 14, 2019 16:05:39 GMT
This is Dublin's biggest strength though. The Dublin team were mostly lads in their late 20s with years of strength and conditioning behind them. Super fit and if you look at any tight matches they played over the last 5 years it's the final 10 minutes that count.This versus a team of young Kerry boys who have been playing a frightful amount of games and haven't been in senior intercounty training for a long time yet. It is something they need to work on, but as the season goes on they will reap the benefits of training. Stephen Cluxton is now 37 Philip McMahon 31 Cian O'Sullivan 30 to be 31 soon Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eoghan O'Gara 33 Kevin McManamon 32 Michael Darragh MacAuley 32 Eric Lowndes 25 Paul Flynn 32 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Darren Daly 31 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Paddy Andrews 30 Realistically the players that are the future of Dublin are beatable in my opinion: Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eric Lowndes 25 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Time waits for no man and youth is the future. I suppose the U20 will have the core of the all conquering minor teams in it. But there are plenty of minor winners now over the U20 grade and not in the senior team (yet). Will Keane keep casting his net and have an extended panel in training for the championship? More importantly can we produce another all conquering minor team, now that the hunger has died down a bit, and get an U20 final, or maybe even win it? All those attributes and skills and then you add all those huge refereeing calls that have far too often fallen Dublin’s way in tight games all the way back to 2011. Apart from 2018 when the All Ireland final was so easily won - Dublin and the Croke Park factor with home crowd advantage has clearly been hugely intimidating to officials made especially apparent in some tight finishes during this past decade.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2019 16:25:20 GMT
One thing about playing in Croke Park is often overlooked. For most teams it means travelling up the day before, sitting still in a bus for hours is not good for your muscles and can be stressful as well. Then they're staying in a hotel, in an unfamiliar bed, and sometimes sharing a room.The food is different in the hotel, the routine is different, you get less sleep, more stress, it all adds up. Compare to sleeping in your own bed, with your family around you, having breakfast in your own home, before leisurely making your way to the training ground to meet up with the other players, do some light training and travel to the game together. It can not be overstated how important that low stress factor and the better sleep is.
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 14, 2019 17:01:29 GMT
This is Dublin's biggest strength though. The Dublin team were mostly lads in their late 20s with years of strength and conditioning behind them. Super fit and if you look at any tight matches they played over the last 5 years it's the final 10 minutes that count.This versus a team of young Kerry boys who have been playing a frightful amount of games and haven't been in senior intercounty training for a long time yet. It is something they need to work on, but as the season goes on they will reap the benefits of training. Stephen Cluxton is now 37 Philip McMahon 31 Cian O'Sullivan 30 to be 31 soon Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eoghan O'Gara 33 Kevin McManamon 32 Michael Darragh MacAuley 32 Eric Lowndes 25 Paul Flynn 32 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Darren Daly 31 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Paddy Andrews 30 Realistically the players that are the future of Dublin are beatable in my opinion: Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eric Lowndes 25 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Time waits for no man and youth is the future. I suppose the U20 will have the core of the all conquering minor teams in it. But there are plenty of minor winners now over the U20 grade and not in the senior team (yet). Will Keane keep casting his net and have an extended panel in training for the championship? More importantly can we produce another all conquering minor team, now that the hunger has died down a bit, and get an U20 final, or maybe even win it? All those attributes and skills and then you add all those huge refereeing calls that have far too often fallen Dublin’s way in tight games all the way back to 2011. Apart from 2018 when the All Ireland final was so easily won - Dublin and the Croke Park factor with home crowd advantage has clearly been hugely intimating to officials made especially apparent in some tight finishes during this past decade. There is no doubt Kerry will get very close in next 2/3 years. The talent is there for all to see. But they still have to do it. Dont forget you didnt get out of Super 8s. So although the graph is on the right trajectory there are a few other teams who will feel they are higher up the pecking order at the moment who Dublin will be equally as wary of. To address the age point,if Dublin were playing an All Ireland final in the morning the core players are Cluxton Cooper McCaffrey McCarthy Fenton Kilkenny Rock Howard Mannion O'Callaghan Could add possibly Scully at this stage. Nobody over 30 except Cluxton (a major issue but hopefully not this year). Thats 10 under 30. And I'm not counting James Mc who is still only 28. So 11 really. Even better the guys that run the game plan, Kilkenny and Fenton, both 25. And third Player of the Year nominee McCaffrey, also 25. Gavins greatest trick has been to ease out the old guard without any impact on performance. So Bernard, Flynn, McAuley, Kev Mc, O'Gara or Connolly wont be starting. Or even getting on in some cases. Unless DC comes back. O'Sullivan if fit then yes. So Dublin wont be running out of legs any time soon. And make no mistake its all about the 5. Eyes on the prize and if they land it a raft of them will go then. Actually even if they dont they'll still go. Btw the players that have forced their way in recently, Howard, Con and Scully are top level. Its not any Tom Dick or Harry that nails down a slot. Murchan is a horses for courses man, and excellent for marking nippy forwards like Ian Burke or Ryan McHugh. Although if there is a weakness its the lack of top class defenders to replace the likes of Philly and O'Sullivan. That could hurt beyond 2019. Dont agree with your last point on refereeing decisions helping Dublin. Been going to games a long time now and have yet to walk down Jones Rd thinking "jaysus the ref did us a solid today. If that was away from home he'd have given/not given us that". I'm a swings and roundabouts man at this stage.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 14, 2019 17:38:42 GMT
Fair points re age but Dublins greatest strenght is that their squad is the best in the country when those lads in their 30s go it will be a massive leveler. Especially in defence i think ye are already in slight bother there i wouldnt rate murchan , lowndes and fitzsimons anywhere near mcmahon or o sullivans level especially in the physical stakes.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2019 18:26:41 GMT
All those attributes and skills and then you add all those huge refereeing calls that have far too often fallen Dublin’s way in tight games all the way back to 2011. Apart from 2018 when the All Ireland final was so easily won - Dublin and the Croke Park factor with home crowd advantage has clearly been hugely intimating to officials made especially apparent in some tight finishes during this past decade. There is no doubt Kerry will get very close in next 2/3 years. The talent is there for all to see. But they still have to do it. Dont forget you didnt get out of Super 8s. So although the graph is on the right trajectory there are a few other teams who will feel they are higher up the pecking order at the moment who Dublin will be equally as wary of. To address the age point,if Dublin were playing an All Ireland final in the morning the core players are Cluxton Cooper McCaffrey McCarthy Fenton Kilkenny Rock Howard Mannion O'Callaghan Could add possibly Scully at this stage. Nobody over 30 except Cluxton (a major issue but hopefully not this year). Thats 10 under 30. And I'm not counting James Mc who is still only 28. So 11 really. Even better the guys that run the game plan, Kilkenny and Fenton, both 25. And third Player of the Year nominee McCaffrey, also 25. Gavins greatest trick has been to ease out the old guard without any impact on performance. So Bernard, Flynn, McAuley, Kev Mc, O'Gara or Connolly wont be starting. Or even getting on in some cases. Unless DC comes back. O'Sullivan if fit then yes. So Dublin wont be running out of legs any time soon. And make no mistake its all about the 5. Eyes on the prize and if they land it a raft of them will go then. Actually even if they dont they'll still go. Btw the players that have forced their way in recently, Howard, Con and Scully are top level. Its not any Tom Dick or Harry that nails down a slot. Murchan is a horses for courses man, and excellent for marking nippy forwards like Ian Burke or Ryan McHugh. Although if there is a weakness its the lack of top class defenders to replace the likes of Philly and O'Sullivan. That could hurt beyond 2019. Dont agree with your last point on refereeing decisions helping Dublin. Been going to games a long time now and have yet to walk down Jones Rd thinking "jaysus the ref did us a solid today. If that was away from home he'd have given/not given us that". I'm a swings and roundabouts man at this stage. I agree that the core will still be there after this year, but the players leaving or that have left are making Dublin in my opinion. Will Cluxton still be there next year? Dublin without Cluxton are a different team. Even McMahon, O'Sullivan and Cooper are irreplaceable in my opinion. Without Dublin will still be in the top 4, but not all dominating anymore. Scully and O'Callaghan are good, but are they as good as Flynn, Connolly and the Brogans? By comparison I believe the lads coming up in Kerry are much better and it will be interesting to see can they step up to next level as some have already done? The good thing about the five in a row is that every Kerry player knows that there are at least five lads waiting in line to take their starting spot and that hopefully spurs them all on to do even better.
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Post by skybluezone on Feb 14, 2019 20:46:13 GMT
Fair points re age but Dublins greatest strenght is that their squad is the best in the country when those lads in their 30s go it will be a massive leveler. Especially in defence i think ye are already in slight bother there i wouldnt rate murchan , lowndes and fitzsimons anywhere near mcmahon or o sullivans level especially in the physical stakes. Yes was hoping Lowndes would push on. Although he gets plenty of game time he hasnt really made one position his own. Murchan as I mentioned earlier does a specific job so he wont start every game anyway. Fitz is around a long time and has proven himself in evety sense. But he isnt getting any younger its true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:36:36 GMT
Fair points re age but Dublins greatest strenght is that their squad is the best in the country when those lads in their 30s go it will be a massive leveler. Especially in defence i think ye are already in slight bother there i wouldnt rate murchan , lowndes and fitzsimons anywhere near mcmahon or o sullivans level especially in the physical stakes. Yes was hoping Lowndes would push on. Although he gets plenty of game time he hasnt really made one position his own. Murchan as I mentioned earlier does a specific job so he wont start every game anyway. Fitz is around a long time and has proven himself in evety sense. But he isnt getting any younger its true. Would the likes of Kilkenny or Howard go play in the backs?
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Post by dc84 on Feb 14, 2019 22:07:19 GMT
Yes was hoping Lowndes would push on. Although he gets plenty of game time he hasnt really made one position his own. Murchan as I mentioned earlier does a specific job so he wont start every game anyway. Fitz is around a long time and has proven himself in evety sense. But he isnt getting any younger its true. Would the likes of Kilkenny or Howard go play in the backs? In fairness it could be all mute any if connolly comes back and Dublin put howard at mf jmc at 6 and small at 3.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 14, 2019 22:53:43 GMT
Kerry will need 4-5 viable midfield options to manage big games as those games age. We are getting close enough you can see Keanes thinking i believe. Id say moran and barry are nailed on starters with a wing forward like o brien helping out. Then around the 50-55 minute you have the likes of Griffen and maybe A.Spillane coming in adding fresh energy. Personally i think this is a great strategy i think Dublin are the only team in the country that we would need to man mark a mf Fenton is different class to everyone else and is so vital to Dublin now that Flynn and Connolly arent starters. Put Barry on Fenton until he cant give anymore then mark Griffen when he does. Griffin is well worth time investment in the middle third for Kerry. Same goes for A Spillane and Gavin O'Brien. Mush must be one of the most exciting bolters to come along in a long time.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 14, 2019 22:57:05 GMT
First signs of decay is when aging players start to skip NFL games. Kerry don't need to see Dublin again until a semi final or final at the end of the summer.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 14, 2019 23:01:01 GMT
Fair points re age but Dublins greatest strenght is that their squad is the best in the country when those lads in their 30s go it will be a massive leveler. Especially in defence i think ye are already in slight bother there i wouldnt rate murchan , lowndes and fitzsimons anywhere near mcmahon or o sullivans level especially in the physical stakes. Yes was hoping Lowndes would push on. Although he gets plenty of game time he hasnt really made one position his own. Murchan as I mentioned earlier does a specific job so he wont start every game anyway. Fitz is around a long time and has proven himself in evety sense. But he isnt getting any younger its true. Murchan has big potential and is a good player. Has good spacial awareness on the pitch when in the play zone.
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Post by homerj on Feb 15, 2019 8:00:27 GMT
That dublin team is still very very young and sadly going nowhere. 😣
For all the talk about a young kerry side theres very little between us realistically.
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Post by homerj on Feb 15, 2019 8:03:04 GMT
One thing about playing in Croke Park is often overlooked. For most teams it means travelling up the day before, sitting still in a bus for hours is not good for your muscles and can be stressful as well. Then they're staying in a hotel, in an unfamiliar bed, and sometimes sharing a room.The food is different in the hotel, the routine is different, you get less sleep, more stress, it all adds up. Compare to sleeping in your own bed, with your family around you, having breakfast in your own home, before leisurely making your way to the training ground to meet up with the other players, do some light training and travel to the game together. It can not be overstated how important that low stress factor and the better sleep is. Surely the dubs sleep in hotels now before big games regardless of whether or not its croke park?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 15, 2019 8:26:34 GMT
Let's call a spade a spade here. We don't want the Dubs to do five in a row but we are not sure are we the team to stop them.
I suppose if someone else beats Dublin Kerry might pick up "another soft All Ireland" by beating that team.
If this Kerry team could stop this great Dublin team doing five in a row I think I'd die of happiness but hand on heart I don't see it.
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Post by peanuts on Feb 15, 2019 9:19:47 GMT
Dublin's Small and Kerry's Ó Beaglaoích banned over post-match melee
Dublin's John Small and Kerry's Brian Ó Beaglaoích are both facing spells on the sidelines after an investigation into the scuffles that took place after their sides' Allianz Football League meeting in Tralee last weekend.
Tensions boiled over following Kerry's one-point win, with multiple players grappling and shoving each other.
The Central Competition Controls Committee has recommended one-match bans for both players, but as Small was sent off in last year's Leinster final, the Dublin defender's punishment will be doubled.
Unless the findings are appealed to the Central Hearings Committee, Small is set to miss the League and All-Ireland champions' meetings with Mayo and Roscommon while Ó Beaglaoích would sit out Kerry's trip to Galway.
Both county boards are also expected to be fined over the incident
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 15, 2019 9:22:37 GMT
Kerrys youth policy will ensure that Kerry will compete with Dublin in the 20s but Dublin cant slip back to pre 2010 levels. Its simply a function of population, money and good organisation and they have all three. They won 4 of the last 9 u21s in football.
There are now doing exactly the right thing... introducing one or two class young players each year and a couple of more put up their hand v Dublin... Coen and Gavin.
I think it was 14000 games that Dublin had last year at under 14, in both codes. Think about that.
Never has the challenge and bar been set so high for a new Kerry manager.
In hurling Dublin were shockin unlucky to lose to KK in Parnell. It took too late points by Limerick to beat KK and Limerick went on yo win it. It shows how Dublin are not far away. Darragh oConnell and a few more Cuala players will probably play this year for Kenny the new manager. A blue tsunamu could roll in from the East and dominate hurling soon enough. Its a function of money, population and organisation ....
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Post by dc84 on Feb 15, 2019 9:22:41 GMT
Probably fair enough cant really argue that it wasnt unsightly
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2019 9:40:49 GMT
Dublin's Small and Kerry's Ó Beaglaoích banned over post-match melee Dublin's John Small and Kerry's Brian Ó Beaglaoích are both facing spells on the sidelines after an investigation into the scuffles that took place after their sides' Allianz Football League meeting in Tralee last weekend. Tensions boiled over following Kerry's one-point win, with multiple players grappling and shoving each other. The Central Competition Controls Committee has recommended one-match bans for both players, but as Small was sent off in last year's Leinster final, the Dublin defender's punishment will be doubled. Unless the findings are appealed to the Central Hearings Committee, Small is set to miss the League and All-Ireland champions' meetings with Mayo and Roscommon while Ó Beaglaoích would sit out Kerry's trip to Galway. Both county boards are also expected to be fined over the incident Gas how they manage to pull two out of the mob. looks like an exercise in PC from Croker..........
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2019 9:44:57 GMT
Kerrys youth policy will ensure that Kerry will compete with Dublin in the 20s but Dublin cant slip back to pre 2010 levels. Its simply a function of population, money and good organisation and they have all three. They won 4 of the last 9 u21s in football. There are now doing exactly the right thing... introducing one or two class young players each year and a couple of more put up their hand v Dublin... Coen and Gavin. I think it was 14000 games that Dublin had last year at under 14, in both codes. Think about that. Never has the challenge and bar been set so high for a new Kerry manager. In hurling Dublin were shockin unlucky to lose to KK in Parnell. It took too late points by Limerick to beat KK and Limerick went on yo win it. It shows how Dublin are not far away. Darragh oConnell and a few more Cuala players will probably play this year for Kenny the new manager. A blue tsunamu could roll in from the East and dominate hurling soon enough. Its a function of money, population and organisation .... Dublin will be interesting without Cluxton, Cian O'Sullivan, Philly and the cohert of 30 something interchange players that will all depart shortly. Killkenny, Costello and what ever duel players are there might be swayed by adding a hurling medal to the collection post 2020 as the football hunger wanes.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 15, 2019 10:15:09 GMT
The Tipp man at work says that Kerry would take Dublin apart in the big Croke Park pitch in high summer. "Run em ragged" says he. He is a shrewd hoor in both codes. I cant see it myself though.
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Post by southward on Feb 15, 2019 18:30:11 GMT
Dublin's Small and Kerry's Ó Beaglaoích banned over post-match melee Dublin's John Small and Kerry's Brian Ó Beaglaoích are both facing spells on the sidelines after an investigation into the scuffles that took place after their sides' Allianz Football League meeting in Tralee last weekend. Tensions boiled over following Kerry's one-point win, with multiple players grappling and shoving each other. The Central Competition Controls Committee has recommended one-match bans for both players, but as Small was sent off in last year's Leinster final, the Dublin defender's punishment will be doubled. Unless the findings are appealed to the Central Hearings Committee, Small is set to miss the League and All-Ireland champions' meetings with Mayo and Roscommon while Ó Beaglaoích would sit out Kerry's trip to Galway. Both county boards are also expected to be fined over the incident Gas how they manage to pull two out of the mob. looks like an exercise in PC from Croker.......... My thoughts exactly. I'd love to hear what this was based on. You can't tell a thing from the tv pictures and if it was in the ref's report, surely Deegan would have had to sanction them at the time. What we can't have, for once, is a situation where Dublin appeal on behalf of Small (and maybe win) and Kerry don't bother on behalf of O'Beaglaoích. Sick of being the mugs who take our medicine when nobody else does.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 15, 2019 18:44:38 GMT
Jim Gavin's heroic efforts to calm things down have to be seen to be appreciated.
My favourite bit is at the end where he comes back into the frame, continuing to amble off into the distance with nary a backward glance.
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Post by baurtregaum on Feb 15, 2019 20:00:59 GMT
Let's call a spade a spade here. We don't want the Dubs to do five in a row but we are not sure are we the team to stop them. I suppose if someone else beats Dublin Kerry might pick up "another soft All Ireland" by beating that team. If this Kerry team could stop this great Dublin team doing five in a row I think I'd die of happiness but hand on heart I don't see it. Alot of talk about what the game means to both counties. I remember reading an article by Colm O'Rourke a few years back where he mentioned a pre-christmas league game against then AI champions Kerry around '85 or '86. Anyway, Dwyer never took the league too seriously, Kerry were still on the beer, and missing a good few regulars. Meath beat them in Tralee and O'Rourke referenced that game as an important part of their development. The confidence of beating the AI champions was a huge boost for them. On RTE Whelan referenced 2010 league game for Dublin in Killarney and how important it was for them. So maybe this game was important for Kerry development. Last year we had a great start including that memorable win away to Mayo but 2018 was a false dawn. I think we are making fantastic progress this year and will be a much improved unit but competing with and stopping Dublin in a high end game in Croke Park might be a year or so away. The '5 in a row' talk could actually be a distraction and pressure for Kerry also, in a way. We have no fear and plenty belief. That is a good start.
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Post by gbbuei on Feb 16, 2019 7:17:17 GMT
“A word of warning, though: Do not expect anything like the contest we witnessed last Saturday should the teams meet in a do-or-die championship encounter. If Keane intends to make Kerry truly competitive when it counts, then reading more into how he set the team up against both Tyrone and Cavan would be worthwhile. Should Dublin and Kerry collide later this year, it could be the proverbial chess match of the season that develops.” I don’t agree with this. To beat the Dubs you have to go after them. We know that ourselves after 2015. And any time we’ve gotten close has been by going after them. The rest of our championship encounters with this Dublin side we have gone after it and been leading going into last 10 mins. Having the quality staff to close it out from there has been the problem. Mayo have shown the same. You’ve got to go after them. So the model against Tyrone and Cavan in the League won’t work against the Dubs in big Summer championship game in my opinion. I’m hopeful, possibly naively, that PK, strategically, may be looking at the team he is playing against on a given day and put out a system and tactics to beat that specific team. It can’t be exactly the same strategy against every side you play against. So the way we had to play against Tyrone and Cavan would have been different to Dublin.
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Post by gbbuei on Feb 16, 2019 7:21:36 GMT
Yeah he really rolled out everything dont buy this sh1te re training and fitness either only a month back blah blah. That team is together the guts of 5/6 years and going for history its like Dean rock et all were out drinking all winter and put on 2 stone a man!! Our team is only together 2 years really when you think about it and a new manager to boot. Some fair points there and I'd agree Gavin tried to pull it out of the fire by introducing established players. I think Gavin hates losing any game and his record in the league is testament to that. But that doesn't mean he has altered his planning or particularly targetted this game. Plenty of times during his tenure Dublin fought tooth and nail to get something when it looked a lost cause, as witnessed by a good number of draws in last years campaign. The big difference this year was that Dublin had both Kerry and Monaghan away in early stages of league. No easy task, last year it was Kildare and Donegal. Easier games, proof being that both went down. So nothing is particularly different this year, apart from coming out the wrong side of 2 close games. Overall, Kerry just shaded it on balance of play. Genuinely think if Kerry didnt win last weekend with everything stacked in their favour it would be a huge ask for them to beat Dublin in the summer. So they've now got a reference point and that is fair enough. But its not a myth that Dublin were on holiday till early Jan. Strangely, it was Kerry lads struggling through the last 10 minutes while Dublin piled forward. This with 14 men, and even some die hards here recognise Mick Fitz 1st yellow a joke. Other thing to note was Kerry conversion rate was almost flawless. Big ask to manage that again. Id be hopeful that Dublin string 4 wins together now, and if the stars align they might end up having another go at the young pretenders in the league final. A game to savour. “Other thing to note was Kerry conversion rate was almost flawless. Big ask to manage that again.” Why do you say that? It’s practice. Lots of it. It’s clear Dublin have worked a lot on that over the years and their conversion rate has improved immeasurably over the years and is almost flawless. So that’s something any side could potentially work on.
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Post by gbbuei on Feb 16, 2019 7:33:15 GMT
Kerry will need 4-5 viable midfield options to manage big games as those games age. We are getting close enough you can see Keanes thinking i believe. Id say moran and barry are nailed on starters with a wing forward like o brien helping out. Then around the 50-55 minute you have the likes of Griffen and maybe A.Spillane coming in adding fresh energy. Personally i think this is a great strategy i think Dublin are the only team in the country that we would need to man mark a mf Fenton is different class to everyone else and is so vital to Dublin now that Flynn and Connolly arent starters. Put Barry on Fenton until he cant give anymore then mark Griffen when he does. I don’t believe Moran and Barry together are a winning combination. I think we need to find a partner for Barry at this stage.
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Post by homerj on Feb 16, 2019 10:06:40 GMT
Jim Gavin's heroic efforts to calm things down have to be seen to be appreciated. My favourite bit is at the end where he comes back into the frame, continuing to amble off into the distance with nary a backward glance. that video along with quirkes description, is perhaps the best thing ive seen on social media in months. absolutely fantastic. pains me to say it, but Gavin is something else. will possibly go down as the greatest GAA manager ever.
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Post by homerj on Feb 16, 2019 10:09:24 GMT
This is Dublin's biggest strength though. The Dublin team were mostly lads in their late 20s with years of strength and conditioning behind them. Super fit and if you look at any tight matches they played over the last 5 years it's the final 10 minutes that count. This versus a team of young Kerry boys who have been playing a frightful amount of games and haven't been in senior intercounty training for a long time yet. It is something they need to work on, but as the season goes on they will reap the benefits of training. Stephen Cluxton is now 37 Philip McMahon 31 Cian O'Sullivan 30 to be 31 soon Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eoghan O'Gara 33 Kevin McManamon 32 Michael Darragh MacAuley 32 Eric Lowndes 25 Paul Flynn 32 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Darren Daly 31 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Paddy Andrews 30 Realistically the players that are the future of Dublin are beatable in my opinion: Eoin Murchan 23 John Small 26 Jonny Cooper 29 Jack McCaffrey 25 Brian Fenton 25 James McCarthy 28 (29 very soon) Niall Scully 24 Con O'Callaghan 23 Brian Howard 22 Paul Mannion 25 Ciarán Kilkenny 26 Dean Rock 28 (29 this month) Evan Comerford 21 Eric Lowndes 25 Michael Fitzsimons 29 Cormac Costello 24 Colm Basquel 23 Time waits for no man and youth is the future. I suppose the U20 will have the core of the all conquering minor teams in it. But there are plenty of minor winners now over the U20 grade and not in the senior team (yet). Will Keane keep casting his net and have an extended panel in training for the championship? More importantly can we produce another all conquering minor team, now that the hunger has died down a bit, and get an U20 final, or maybe even win it? would you mind putting together the likely panel of 26 for kerry and comparing the average ages of the 2? for all the talk about how young kerry are, dublin cant be far behind. cluxton adds a few years as does the 7 or 8 lads around 30 or more (brogan will surely be involved???) but when you look at the actualy starting 15s, they will be around the same age.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 16, 2019 10:24:49 GMT
“A word of warning, though: Do not expect anything like the contest we witnessed last Saturday should the teams meet in a do-or-die championship encounter. If Keane intends to make Kerry truly competitive when it counts, then reading more into how he set the team up against both Tyrone and Cavan would be worthwhile. Should Dublin and Kerry collide later this year, it could be the proverbial chess match of the season that develops.” I don’t agree with this. To beat the Dubs you have to go after them. We know that ourselves after 2015. And any time we’ve gotten close has been by going after them. The rest of our championship encounters with this Dublin side we have gone after it and been leading going into last 10 mins. Having the quality staff to close it out from there has been the problem. Mayo have shown the same. You’ve got to go after them. So the model against Tyrone and Cavan in the League won’t work against the Dubs in big Summer championship game in my opinion. I’m hopeful, possibly naively, that PK, strategically, may be looking at the team he is playing against on a given day and put out a system and tactics to beat that specific team. It can’t be exactly the same strategy against every side you play against. So the way we had to play against Tyrone and Cavan would have been different to Dublin. I think with the experience that Donie Buckley brings along with the nous of PK & Co that this is exactly what you will get - very much " horses for courses" selections/tactics. This has been the case so far this year with a much different set up vs Dublin than was the case in the Tyrone & Cavan games; next weekend in Galway will very likely see a reversion to the opening games given Galways style. Its not naïve to expect this - teams now analyse the opposition the nth degree and plan accordingly plus players and management have to adapt to different situations.
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