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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 26, 2019 9:12:38 GMT
You have to remember that there are heaps of players missing through Crokes, injury, Sigerson, etc. Might I suggest Sherwood hasn't had loads of chances. I see your point, still though he would have been on the Kerry training panel from 2012 to the start of 2016, that is a lot of collective nights at training to raise your hand for selection, add into that the 15 or so league and championship appearances the 28 year old has made for Kerry. I can’t help but feel a younger player is more deserving of their first chance and that there are multiple better club players around the county that have never ever had a chance. I think you might struggle to name such players that are available for this game.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 26, 2019 10:25:01 GMT
I would to see what an alternative starting 15 drawn from unavailable players would look like..
1 Murphy 2 Enright 3 Jason 4 Shanahan... surely he will be back in! 5 BOB 6 Killian 7 gavin white 8 Moran 9 Mark Griffin 10 11 12 Burns 13 14 Shaw 15 Clifford
others?
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Post by peanuts on Jan 26, 2019 10:33:04 GMT
I can’t help but feel anything other than underwhelmed by the starting 15, only one debutant. Are Lyne and Sherwood deserving of yet another chance? Seen both players multiple times at club league and championship level and I genuinely wouldn’t have picked either of them out as being inter-County standard! You have to remember that there are heaps of players missing through Crokes, injury, Sigerson, etc. Might I suggest Sherwood hasn't had loads of chances. Well said. It’s still a fairly inexperienced team. Need some of the lads in their mid 20s, Crowley, Morley, Murphy,Geaney, etc to step up as leaders.
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Post by pillar on Jan 26, 2019 11:12:28 GMT
I would say that if the 15 players picked tomorrow are on top of their game come June 10 of them would be automatic starters.Gavin White and David Clifford are 2 more shoe ins but I'd agrue that there are places to be got at corner back,midfield and at 10 and 12.With obvious absentees I don't think a stronger team could be named for the game.
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Post by pillar on Jan 26, 2019 11:14:12 GMT
I would say that if the 15 players picked tomorrow are on top of their game come June 10 of them would be automatic starters.Gavin White and David Clifford are 2 more shoe ins but I'd agrue that there are places to be got at No.1,corner back,midfield and at 10 and 12.With obvious absentees I don't think a stronger team could be named for the game.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 26, 2019 11:19:14 GMT
I can’t help but feel anything other than underwhelmed by the starting 15, only one debutant. Are Lyne and Sherwood deserving of yet another chance? Seen both players multiple times at club league and championship level and I genuinely wouldn’t have picked either of them out as being inter-County standard! I've seen a lot of people saying Sherwood has had plenty of chances. I'd love to know what that's based on? Heplayed maybe 2 championship games, one where he was put in at the deep end. Has he even played 10 league games? Any time he did i felt he did alright. Lyne on the other hand has had more than enough chances and hasn't offered anything imo, bar when he came on in the 2014 semi-final.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 26, 2019 13:18:14 GMT
Unless I'm missing something I don't think Sherwood has got a lot of chances previously. He was thrown in for a few mins here and there. Most notably when he was sprung from the bench to mark macmanaman in the semi against the dubs in 13.
For all the talk of blooding players etc it was nearly harder to get off the team than on it under EF until last year. Plenty of other players got a lot more time under EF despite showing any massive progress
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Post by veteran on Jan 26, 2019 13:53:31 GMT
I am one of those people who feel Jack Sherwood deserves a chance. I remember him being outstanding at CHB against Dublin in the NFL in Killarney , four or five years ago. He has had few enough chances over the years, certainly nothing like Jonathan. or Mickey Geaney. He has a physicality about him which a lot of our backs do not have. It is up to Jack. now to make the most of his chance , chances I hope.
I am also happy that Adrian Spillane is getting a chance in his club position, midfield , rather than wing forward as in the past..
Considering all the absentees , it is a reasonable team. Tyrone look to a have a strong team out, especially their forwards.
In spite of the awful weather today, I am as excited as ever at the prospect of another year of football and what it might have in store for my county. No fool like an old fool!
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Post by homerj on Jan 26, 2019 14:42:44 GMT
Its a strong team sunday considering so many missing.
Have to laugh tho. Weve lads on here whinging saying tyrone would be too strong for our young lads yet then they moan when these same lads are not picked and more seasoned stronger lads are!
Theres a long year there. Lads are playing Sigerson and need to be minded. Go with the tried and tested and bed on 1 or 2 new lads per game. Thats how its done
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Post by john4 on Jan 26, 2019 15:30:43 GMT
Best of luck to all the players and management team in the league campaign ahead. Regardless of whether fellas got a fair opportunity in the past or not, well they've another one now so let's hope they grasp it. We were absolutely leaderless on the field last year, leaving results aside, it's vital that someone (or more than one) players steps up to the mark and leaders emerge throughout the league.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 26, 2019 20:02:58 GMT
Am i right in thinking that Paidi was the last Kerry manager to win a first league game of the season in Killarney? Hopefully we will be talking about Ole Gunnar Keane on Sunday evening! Donegal last year? Or is your questioned phrased badly?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 26, 2019 20:52:47 GMT
Was the Donegal game not in Tralee?
I think its 20 years since Kerry won a league game in Killarney that was played in January or February.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jan 26, 2019 21:13:28 GMT
Was the Donegal game not in Tralee? I think its 20 years since Kerry won a league game in Killarney that was played in January or February. Donegal game last year was definitely in Killarney.
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Post by southward on Jan 26, 2019 21:56:31 GMT
Lads, does anyone else think it's a bit over the top for half a dozen players to miss the entire league for the sake of two games in the club championship? You've a fair chunk of the panel tied up there. And for the newer lads, this can't be helping their chances of becoming established as Kerry seniors. Like, is all this really necessary?
Likewise I think county players should be made more available to their clubs throughout the year. Going to county league games and so forth, you want to see the best players playing and I'm sure they'd rather be doing that themselves than just training away endlessly for a handful of games if they're lucky.
You can understand managers wanting to protect their assets but really, they need to stop being so precious about it and let footballers play football matches. Much and all as everyone's passionate about the game, it's just a hobby at the end of the day.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 26, 2019 23:07:03 GMT
15 Feb 2000: Kerry 3-16 Armagh 2-8 was last league win in Feb in Killarney. 7 losses in a row since.
Of course, the 2018 league win over Donegal was in Killarney, but on 27 January.
Not February, but dispels the "slow start to a year in Killarney league games". For now anyway.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 26, 2019 23:09:53 GMT
Mickmack posted the video...def in Killarney Kerry V Donegal league 2018. No sound on this
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 27, 2019 0:10:38 GMT
If only for Spillane in midfield alone I would like to see how this goes. Up against quite a strong Tyrone midfield Barry and Spillane look inexperienced but both tall fellas that can run and score. Shane Ryan could have a huge influence the way goalkeepers are getting more important. Again, like with Eamon we have forwards that can go back defending and backs that like to attack. Against a team like Tyrone that might be a very sensible option. Given the retirements, injuries, unavailable players due to Kerry teams possibly being in the junior, intermediate and senior all Ireland finals, wedding, Sigerson cup, and so on, this is a fairly strong and moderately experienced team. A leader role for Geaney which he has with Dingle as well and Mikey Geaney and O'Sullivan near him like with Dingle. The game is made for dogged determination, tough and hard football and they will find it hard to break down Tyrone. Perhaps we can get a win, but do we really need to? As long as we stay in division 1 and test these players for the championship I'll be happy. We haven't seen a whole lot of Morley last years and Kerry had only 2 real tests in the year in which David Clifford saved them (Monaghan) and in which they failed (Galway). It will be good to see how we are almost a year later, given the fact they haven't played a game under Keane yet or did little serious training yet (I suppose gym work and S&C would be key in winter).
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Post by Corner Back on Jan 27, 2019 8:13:32 GMT
One change to the Kerry forwards before the game starts.
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Post by thechosenone on Jan 27, 2019 10:20:08 GMT
Killian Spillane in for James O'Donoghue maybe?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 27, 2019 10:20:16 GMT
One change to the Kerry forwards before the game starts. Who is it and is it due to injury?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 27, 2019 10:21:10 GMT
Killian Spillane in for James O'Donoghue maybe? If I was guessing it would be Gavin O’Brien in for Jonathan Lyne.
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Post by thechosenone on Jan 27, 2019 10:24:35 GMT
I'm assuming James O'D isn't playing due to his grandmother passing away
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jan 27, 2019 10:47:28 GMT
Sherwood played against Laois last weekend and was destroyed at full back. Wouldn't be inspiring me with any confidence,however, full back isn't a position you become proficient in overnight. Not sure about Adrian Spillane at midfield and Johnathan Lyne has been tried n tested. It's wild and windy in Tralee this morning and it might be a day for the likes of Tommy Walsh to make an impact. The rest of the back line looks solid and I am looking forward to seeing how we set up and what kind of style Peter Keane begins to impose on this team. Hoping for, rather than expecting a win today. Best wishes to the new management team & panel today and of course for the rest of the year. Ciarraí Abú!
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Post by Fado on Jan 27, 2019 11:04:32 GMT
Tommy Walshe to full back then
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 27, 2019 11:10:13 GMT
Killian Spillane in for James O'Donoghue maybe? One option or introduce Gavin O’Brien to the wing with Stephen O’Brien to the corner; assume Mikey G or Lyne will play as a sweeper.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 27, 2019 11:16:20 GMT
Sherwood played against Laois last weekend and was destroyed at full back. Wouldn't be inspiring me with any confidence,however, full back isn't a position you become proficient in overnight. Not sure about Adrian Spillane at midfield and Johnathan Lyne has been tried n tested. It's wild and windy in Tralee this morning and it might be a day for the likes of Tommy Walsh to make an impact. The rest of the back line looks solid and I am looking forward to seeing how we set up and what kind of style Peter Keane begins to impose on this team. Hoping for, rather than expecting a win today. Best wishes to the new management team & panel today and of course for the rest of the year. Ciarraí Abú! Sherwood didn’t shine for EK either @ full back - would expect Morley to drop in there with Sherwood @ Centre back.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 27, 2019 12:46:47 GMT
15 Feb 2000: Kerry 3-16 Armagh 2-8 was last league win in Feb in Killarney. 7 losses in a row since. Of course, the 2018 league win over Donegal was in Killarney, but on 27 January. Not February, but dispels the "slow start to a year in Killarney league games". For now anyway. thanks for that.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 27, 2019 13:54:17 GMT
Tomas and Marc spoiled us. As well as being great defenders they could burst forward and take a score. Many thought that the measure of a half back was how often he could do that. We even played wing forwards at wing back. Lyne was a victim of that madness. He was completely at sea in defence. He never knew whether to stay with his man, go for the ball, or run forward to take a pass. Clueless.
So when we say he got loads of trials - he did but mostly in the wrong position. He could be a success at wing forward and is worth another look.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jan 27, 2019 15:42:38 GMT
Great start to the season for the new management team and the new players. Sorry I couldn’t be there but Radio Kerry helped a bit. Sounds like we matched Tyrone’s tactics well and a great debut for Dara Moynihan. Looking forward to traveling to Cavan next weekend.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 27, 2019 15:57:24 GMT
Brilliant start to the league. Not the prettiest but not complaining. We could (should) have won by more. Great individual displays. Our defence held tight. We took on Tyrone in all aspects of the game Some baffling refereeing calls. What did we ever do to D. Gough I was absolutely thrilled with performance od younger players.
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