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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 4, 2019 10:55:06 GMT
In fairness, outside of the top 5-6 teams playing each other the current game is pretty much unwatchable and is not a draw for the neutral. If they put the kickouts back to the small "square" they would stop a lot of the short kickouts and incessent handpassing..... that would help Not necessarily.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 5, 2019 10:45:13 GMT
Cluxtons ability is an art form as evidenced by how he released McCaffrey by putting a 40 metre kick hopping in front of him in last years final which led to a point by Kilkenny.
But for the most part club keepers and most other inter county keepers can do no more than roll it along the ground to a free colleague and after a minute of pass the parcel the play has reached the half way line... its torture to watch.
If keepers had to kick from one corner of the small "square" as of yore, it would be easier to shut off the option of going short ....leading to longer kickouts.... at least the play would move to the centre of the field without having to watch "pass the parcel" mini games
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Post by An Bradán on Jan 5, 2019 15:28:33 GMT
Solve an argument please lads.....I say the new rules only apply to National League trial......yes
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Post by oldschool on Jan 5, 2019 16:20:33 GMT
I think the great Mick O'Connell is 82 today What a man!!!!! Go bhfága Dia an sláinte leat a Mhichl
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Post by oldschool on Jan 5, 2019 16:26:36 GMT
Cluxtons ability is an art form as evidenced by how he released McCaffrey by putting a 40 metre kick hopping in front of him in last years final which led to a point by Kilkenny. But for the most part club keepers and most other inter county keepers can do no more than roll it along the ground to a free colleague and after a minute of pass the parcel the play has reached the half way line... its torture to watch. If keepers had to kick from one corner of the small "square" as of yore, it would be easier to shut off the option of going short ....leading to longer kickouts.... at least the play would move to the centre of the field without having to watch "pass the parcel" What amuses me is that other county keepers and back lines have not copied Cluxtons strategies. From what I see of it the lack of intelligent movement by backs often leave few options for the keeper.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 9, 2019 21:03:04 GMT
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Post by glengael on Jan 10, 2019 9:55:27 GMT
They have a big job of work to do. I must read that report in full. I wonder where the resources will come from and how the stadium debt situation will affect them into the future. There is much talk of a disconnect with supporters of Kerry football, which has been relatively successful in recent years compared to Cork. So they have a big job to do re-connecting with supporters in the Cork situation. I'd be interested to hear from Delorean or someone else on the ground and see what the feeling is among Cork football people.
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Post by yellowbelly on Jan 10, 2019 11:54:18 GMT
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Post by brigid on Jan 10, 2019 12:10:40 GMT
Better still, look what they have done and are doing in Dublin.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 12, 2019 19:51:14 GMT
The big interview: O'Sullivan cousins explain how Tralee's becoming a Warrior town FacebookTwitterMessengerLinkedInWhatsAppMore Saturday, January 12, 2019 - 12:00 AM
By Kieran Shannon Sports Correspondent
Follow @kieranshannon7 Tralee is buzzing for hoops. The Complex is gripped by Saturday night fever. Even football people are backing the basketball team in their droves and they’re not just following the Star. First cousins Darren and Fergal O’Sullivan are important figures in the Tralee success story. Ahead of tonight’s National Cup semi-final with Pyrobel Killester at the Mar* Arena, they explain how a town became united behind the Warriors
Lunchtime on Rock Street and while the Castle Bar has a framed illustration celebrating how no other club or thoroughfare in the country boasts as many Celtic Crosses, the clientele and staff at the bar counter are as immersed in basketball talk, past, present and future, as they would be about football here or in any other GAA hostelry in the county.
Did you see Donaghy, still clawing for it, last Saturday night in Killorglin? Tell me, who’d be your five best Americans to ever play here? Are you going up to the schools all-Tralee All Ireland semi-final in the Complex? And, of course, there’s the Warriors’ Cup semi-final in Cork today, 30 years on from when Pat O’Shea, Gerald Kennedy and the rest of the Tigers first represented the town on that stage.
This is a real sportsperson’s bar, in one of Ireland’s great sports towns. Mikey Sheehy would be a regular here, though he’s not in today. Same with Ogie Moran and Marc Ó Sé.
The basketball is down a few of its heads as well. Mervyn Griffin, or Merv the Swerve as he’s known in these parts, isn’t here to talk about his role in that Tigers team of ’89, while John Cooney, who coached Blue Demons to a league title that same year, pops in whenever work takes him down from Cork but it obviously didn’t today.
Who has called in though, as well as the man from the Examiner, is Gat Carey, one of the town’s hoops diehards, coach to those Tigers in ’89 that won promotion, and an assistant to Timmy McCarthy when the Tigers won the Superleague in ’96 (Jasper, as in Jasper McElroy, by the way, he contends, was the best American to play here).
A little later we’re joined by Kieran Donaghy, the star from last Saturday night and so many others besides.
And here throughout, as they always are whenever they’re not up in the Complex or on the golf course or at home, is Adrian and Gerard O’Sullivan, and Fergal and Darren O’Sullivan.
Adrian and Gerard are brothers who ran and owned this place like their father before them. Now their sons Fergal and Darren run it, like their fathers before them — and more so, they’re lighting it up for the Warriors, feeding the Saturday night fever that has gripped the town and county.
Even football folk can’t get enough of the basketball these days.
Marc Ó Sé took in the Warriors’ Cup quarter-final against Blue Demons last month and while he’d slag his two favourite barmen that he found the amount of fives the pair of them slapped somewhat disconcerting, he’d tweet that he was “blown away by the show the club put on, the amount of kids, and how good the game was as a spectacle”.
On Thursday just past he “couldn’t wait” to get down to the Complex again to take in that Mounthawk-Green (Tralee CBS) All Ireland colleges semi-final derby which resembled a scene from one of those movies about US high school basketball; the barn crammed, the band playing, the joint hopping, students somersaulting between timeouts, only this was better. Going into overtime and Donaghy commentating live on Facebook to the country, LeBron James morphing into Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh, eulogising and referencing the strengths and quirks of every player, as if they were all household names, because they were in his.
David Clifford wasn’t just at the all-Kerry Superleague game in Killorglin last Saturday when they were hanging from the rafters, or at the Castleisland Christmas blitz where the same two sides met in the final, but was even spotted above in the Neptune Stadium in Tralee’s 95-92 win over the Cork side the Saturday after Christmas.
Last March when the Warriors beat Swords Thunder on the buzzer to keep their league challenge alive and an exuberant Donaghy endearingly swung over his shoulder the first kid to rush onto the floor towards him? That kid was Timmy Kennelly, son of Noel, nephew of Tadhg, grandson of Tim. Football royalty but now basketball mad.
“It’s funny,” says Darren, “but you could be walking around town and be stopped two or three times by football people who three years ago wouldn’t have known a basketball if it belted them in the head. And they’ll want to talk about what ye did well last Saturday night. Or even better, what you did wrong!
Donaghy finds it hilarious as well. “You’d maybe take it from a fella about football, because he might have some clue about it. But now they’re breaking you up about the basketball?! You’re like, ‘Hold on a minute, a few years ago…!”
There’s a reason though the clueless have quickly become experts. Because they’re engaged. They can relate. When they see the Warriors, they see a GAA team out there on the hardwood. There may be a couple of Americans and eastern Europeans on the roster, and in Paul Dick, a son of Belfast, but because the rest are all homegrown, they all play as if they’re homegrown, a team from the community, for the community, run by the community.
Donaghy is from Caherslee Road, just around the corner. Daragh O’Hanlon, though on a UCC Demons team that won all round them, is originally a Tralee — an Imperials — boy. Eoin Quigley, similarly, while winning a Cup and a couple of Superleagues with Limerick, started out as a kid with St Brendan’s. But perhaps the two players the crowd can most relate to most are the two O’Sullivans, the most unlikely hometown heroes of the lot.
A little over three years ago while O’Hanlon and Quigley were playing Superleague with the big guns in Cork and Limerick, the two O’Sullivans were just trying to keep St Brendan’s afloat in the Kerry county league. Fergal was 29 at the time, Darren coming up on 26. They had played some Division One national league in the past, coached by Fergal’s childhood hero Vinnie Murphy, but that finished up in 2013. It was a pity for the town and the club, but for the two boys themselves it was fine. They could still rock up and ball in the county league over the winter, then hit the golf course, playing off scratch for Tralee Golf Club, for the summer.
“You couldn’t have envisaged having a Superleague team only a year later,” says Fergal. “We didn’t even have the commitment for a [national league] Division One team.” Then a little pebble started spluttering downhill that would grow into something much bigger and faster.
In the autumn of 2015, Basketball Ireland initiated a national cup for intermediate, non-national league clubs. Brendan’s threw their name into it, and while they were at it, registered Donaghy’s as well. Donaghy hadn’t played competitive basketball in six years but after having his arm twisted by the O’Sullivan cousins and club chairman, Pa Carey, he played a county league game in the Moyderwell gym one Monday night. Right away he found it the perfect antidote to the hangover of losing an All Ireland final as a non-starting captain, back playing the first sporting love of his life, alongside his buddies and his brother Conor.
By the time they had made it to the semi-final of that Intermediate Cup, there were over 300 people seeing them go head-to-head with local rivals Tralee Imperials, led by the hugely-promising Ryan Leonard, son of the legendary Ricardo, in a midweek county league game.
By the time they had made it through to the final where they’d bring football icon Ger Power and almost half of the town up with them to the National Basketball Arena in Tallaght (it helped that by serendipity Kerry were playing Dublin in Croker in the opening round of the national football league the same day), Donaghy was convinced. The appetite and talent was there to bring national league basketball back to Tralee. And not just national league basketball but Superleague.
“When he first mentioned it, we were saying, ‘You’re bonkers!’” recalls Fergal. “But the more he talked about it, the clearer it became it was possible.”
Gerard — Fergal’s uncle, Darren’s dad, and now a Warriors committee member — nods. “It came from Kieran. He knew the football was coming to an end, he knew basketball had a following in Tralee and he wanted to bring it back. He knew something was missing in the town. The buzz of having some place to go and the buzz of a big game on a Saturday night in the Complex.
“And so he started selling the magic of it, the dream of it. And I began to think, ‘If I don’t do my utmost to try to get this off the ground, the boys are going to miss out and go through their whole careers — lives — without experiencing it.’”
Fergal had passed on Superleague basketball before; in his late teens, just as Tralee Tigers were winding up winning leagues and Cups and as it would turn out, playing Superleague basketball itself, O’Sullivan was invited onto the squad but declined. “I’d seen enough guys from Tralee over the years sitting on the bench for 40 minutes.”
Ten years on with fewer imports on the floor there’d be more openings for a shooter like him. His cousin Darren — though he’s more like a twin, he admits, they spend so much time together — also felt from scrimmaging so much with Superleague players in his time with CIT that a tenacious defensive player like him could hang at that level, at least coming off the bench. The two of them were on for it alright.
But that wouldn’t be enough. One club on its own wouldn’t be good or strong enough to go back Superleague. A Fergal and Darren O’Sullivan would need a Ryan Leonard, just as a Leonard would need them. Which would mean Imperials and Brendan’s having to team up together, at least at that level. Which would mean officials — previously warring parties — would have to come together.
As Warriors current chairman Terry O’Brien put it during the week, “We were like UN diplomat Boutros Boutros-Ghali”, initiating and negotiating peace talks. There were multiple meetings, between clubs, within clubs — Gerard remembers in Brendan’s the executive being all around Pa Carey’s bed as their chairman at the time was recovering from a back fusion operation — but with Donaghy providing some Clinton-style charisma and O’Brien, as neither a member of Brendan’s nor Imperials but a former Tigers chairman, offering some Mitchell-style impartiality and wise experience, they pulled it off.
Next, they needed a name. Donaghy wanted something ‘S’ at the end, like Tigers back in the day. One day he floated something past the two boys in the Castle Bar. Warriors. It had an ‘S’ at the end. And a team by that name from the Golden State were going pretty well in the NBA. It seemed to chime with the times and what they were about. Well, what you think?
Fergal wasn’t impressed. “I did a full page of laughy faces. ‘We can’t call ourselves the Warriors! People are already going to hate us because you’re on the team!”
Over time though it grew on him. Now above in the bar that he helps manage, there’s a laminated placard that on game-day he brings up to the Complex listing the nine traditional virtues of a warrior.
That placard also includes the club — and town’s — crest and motto. When they sought permission from the town council to use the Tralee emblem on their jersey, they were alerted to the maxim just below it. ‘Vis Unita Fortior’. ‘Strength united is stronger.’ Like with so much of this Warriors project, just perfect.
Although this is only their third year in the Superleague, the Warriors have already won the end-of-season Champions Trophy twice, with Darragh, the more energetic and effusive of the pair, collecting the bowl as team captain. There’s barely a home game that isn’t packed or that doesn’t go down to the closing minutes, such as the nailbiter against Moycullen early last season when Darragh hit a three-pointer on the buzzer for the win.
Their last game then in the Cup, Fergal was the hero. With three minutes to go in the third quarter, they were trailing Blue Demons at home by 16 points, and the prospect of a third consecutive year missing out on the Cup semi-final weekend in Cork seemed inevitable. But then Fergal bounced off the bench and hit a three. Then he hit another one. Then he stole the ball at midcourt, drove to the basket for Paul Dick to tip in. Almost single-handedly he had wrestled Big Mo off Demons and plonked it on the Warriors bench which only minutes earlier he’d vacated in a temper.
“He’s probably the ballsiest player I’ve ever played with in any sport,” says Donaghy. “The bigger the game, the more he wants it, the bigger the shot, the more he wants to take it. He lost the rag at us at half-time that day and then when we were still playing no better when he came on [midway] during the third [quarter], it was as if he said, ‘Pheck this, I’ll do it myself so.’” And he just let fly with three three-pointers that hauled us back into the game.
“He has zero fear of missing a shot. He has zero conscience. He once scored 57 points in a county league game against Castleisland. Fifty-seven points! Like, I could never score 57 points against anyone, at any level — I’d have too much of a conscience to do it. But Fergal brings that knockout punch. Even in the first round away to Templeogue. He only played about 15 minutes but scored 17 points. Five three-pointers. He’s like the [Detroit] Pistons’ Vinny Johnson, the Microwave — he just heats up in no time. He’s the kind of guy you could put sitting in the crowd for three quarters, then come down with five minutes to go and hit two threes. If the game is on the line, I want him taking that shot.”
And yet that evening against Demons, Donaghy was just as impressed by Fergal’s cousin. It was he who Fergal had replaced. In his few minutes on the floor, it hadn’t gone well for him, turning over the ball a couple of times. And yet when Demons called a timeout after the first couple of Fergal’s downtown bombs, Donaghy noticed who was the first to leap off the bench.
“I remember looking at him later that game, thinking, ‘You’re unbelievable.’ Another fella would have been either pissed off with the coach or pissed off with himself, being taken off, but there he was, the first guy off the bench, the first guy slapping fives, the first guy giving the gee-up leaving the huddle. The biggest compliment I got when I retired from Kerry was the amount of lads who said I was their best teammate ever but I’d say Darren is the ultimate teammate I’ve had. If Fergal’s the ballsiest, he’s the most selfless.”
Last year Darren started 20 of Tralee’s 22 league games, averaging 22 minutes a game. This year, with the arrival of Dick, he’s averaging just nine minutes, but he hasn’t sulked. It’s strange, he says, he could shoot three-under in golf and still feel pissed off for the few putts he still left out there, and then maybe knock down just the one shot and make a couple of steals in the basketball and feel better about it, because it was for a team.
“I’d be almost happier to see Fergal playing well than myself. That’s just the way I am. Pat [Price] has a mantra ‘Fast forward’ — that if you mess up, just press the fast-forward button and get onto the next play, so when Fergal came on that time, I couldn’t but be happy for a teammate. There’s 12 of us there. Every guy has a role. Some nights your number is called, some nights it’s not. But at the end of the day it’s a team game. I always remember LeBron James telling his son’s team that if you’re on a team, you’re helping your teammate get better at training. It’s not always about playing. If you’re not able to play a role, go play golf. That always struck me since.”
As it works with the O’Sullivans, they will go and play golf when the season ends. Just as Fergal left his golf clubs in Spain last September when he got married there, he’ll put the basketball boots away once the Champions Trophy is over in April.
Until then, him and the cousin are ready to answer the call when their number comes up, like Fergal against Demons, like Darren last weekend playing lockdown defence on Killorglin’s prime scorer.
A latecomer hometown hero is something to be.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2019 14:15:41 GMT
Cluxtons ability is an art form as evidenced by how he released McCaffrey by putting a 40 metre kick hopping in front of him in last years final which led to a point by Kilkenny. But for the most part club keepers and most other inter county keepers can do no more than roll it along the ground to a free colleague and after a minute of pass the parcel the play has reached the half way line... its torture to watch. If keepers had to kick from one corner of the small "square" as of yore, it would be easier to shut off the option of going short ....leading to longer kickouts.... at least the play would move to the centre of the field without having to watch "pass the parcel" mini games A bit of nostalgia... Long kickouts and high fielding
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 14, 2019 21:28:08 GMT
40 GAA Matches to be broadcast on TG4 as part of station's spring schedule
Monday, January 14, 2019 - 05:01 PM TG4 has unveiled their spring schedule for 2019 with details of their GAA coverage for the coming months.
Coverage starts on January 27 with coverage of both All Ireland Football and Hurling champions.
Monaghan taken on football champions Dublin in Clones, while there will be deferred coverage of Wexford's clash with hurling champions Limerick in the Allianz Hurling League first-round tie.
GAA BEO will show three Allianz League games in full every Sunday beginning on February 3.
TG4's Head of Sport Rónán Ó Coisdealbha said: "We look forward to our 20th year of broadcasting Allianz League matches and we are proud that our station has a long history of providing comprehensive GAA coverage at this time of the year.
"These 40 GAA matches will provide GAA fans with the best possible line-up within the GAA world from Scór na nÓg Finals to the Allianz League Finals."
TG4 will also provide a comprehensive service for the GAA Community on the Spórt TG4 YouTube page with live coverage from no less than 13 different events and games including the AIB All Ireland Intermediate and Junior Club Football and Hurling Finals, All Ireland Scór na nÓg and Scór Sinsir Finals, Electric Ireland Sigerson and Fitzgibbon Cup Finals, Gourmet Food Parlour O'Connor Cup Ladies Football Final and the All Ireland Colleges Football and Hurling Finals (Post Primary Schools Finals).
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Post by glengael on Jan 18, 2019 15:25:49 GMT
It will be interesting to see what Congress makes of this Motion.
Congress may move Dublin out of Croke Park for Super 8s game Updated / Thursday, 17 Jan 2019 11:25 44
By Micil Glennon RTÉ Sport Journalist
Donegal have confirmed that a motion aimed at preventing Croke Park being designated as a neutral venue for the Super 8s will be tabled at GAA Congress next month.
It could mean that five-in-a-row-chasing Dublin – should they win their ninth provincial title in a row or qualify through the back door – would not be allowed to play two of their three round-robin games at their de facto home ground, Croke Park, as they did last year.
Last season Donegal’s ‘neutral’ Super 8s game was in GAA HQ against Dublin, who later hosted Roscommon at the same venue in their official ‘home’ game.
Essentially that arrangement meant that seven of the eight teams had to play two of their three games on the road, while Jim Gavin’s side travelled outside the county only once, the trip to Omagh to play Tyrone.
The motion passed by Donegal’s convention in December read: "Counties who qualify for the Football Inter County Quarter Final Group Stage shall not be permitted to nominate Croke Park as their Home Venue."
Last July Donegal manager Declan Bonner said: "For all eight teams, I think it's got to be the one playing field, and I don't think it's that level if you have to play two matches away from home and another team has two home games.
"In terms of fairness, if Donegal were to play Dublin and someone said the game was to be played at a neutral venue, then you would expect somewhere like Cavan or Clones, or a neutral venue.
"Not going into Dublin's back yard to play what is a so-called neutral match."
Dublin open their Leinster campaign against either Wexford or Louth on 25 May.
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Post by diego on Jan 18, 2019 18:31:58 GMT
TG4 showing Dublin v Westmeath in the O'Byrne Cup final live tonight.
Also have the McKenna Cup final tomorrow night.
Chance to see how the new rules are going.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jan 18, 2019 20:55:04 GMT
It will be interesting to see what Congress makes of this Motion. Congress may move Dublin out of Croke Park for Super 8s game Updated / Thursday, 17 Jan 2019 11:25 44 By Micil Glennon RTÉ Sport Journalist Donegal have confirmed that a motion aimed at preventing Croke Park being designated as a neutral venue for the Super 8s will be tabled at GAA Congress next month. It could mean that five-in-a-row-chasing Dublin – should they win their ninth provincial title in a row or qualify through the back door – would not be allowed to play two of their three round-robin games at their de facto home ground, Croke Park, as they did last year. Last season Donegal’s ‘neutral’ Super 8s game was in GAA HQ against Dublin, who later hosted Roscommon at the same venue in their official ‘home’ game. Essentially that arrangement meant that seven of the eight teams had to play two of their three games on the road, while Jim Gavin’s side travelled outside the county only once, the trip to Omagh to play Tyrone. The motion passed by Donegal’s convention in December read: "Counties who qualify for the Football Inter County Quarter Final Group Stage shall not be permitted to nominate Croke Park as their Home Venue." Last July Donegal manager Declan Bonner said: "For all eight teams, I think it's got to be the one playing field, and I don't think it's that level if you have to play two matches away from home and another team has two home games. "In terms of fairness, if Donegal were to play Dublin and someone said the game was to be played at a neutral venue, then you would expect somewhere like Cavan or Clones, or a neutral venue. "Not going into Dublin's back yard to play what is a so-called neutral match." Dublin open their Leinster campaign against either Wexford or Louth on 25 May. I think most people agree that Dublin playing two Super 8 games in Croke Park is not right. I would support this motion and I hope it carries. I don’t think Dublin fans would mind one bit going to Thurles or Clones or wherever but it suits the GAA to have as many games as possible in Croker because of the corporate and hospitality income it generates. The overwhelming likelihood is they will still qualify and effectively have a home semi final and final anyway but that doesn’t mean the round robin series should also be stacked in their favour.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 19, 2019 0:45:24 GMT
TG4 showing Dublin v Westmeath in the O'Byrne Cup final live tonight. Also have the McKenna Cup final tomorrow night. Chance to see how the new rules are going. Just watched the Dublin v Westmeath game. Better spectacle to watch as far more footpassing. I cant recall any mark where a kick from inside the 45 was fetched in the scoring zone. The 3 pass rule made it harder for corner forwards to get involved because the 3 passes were used in the build up. Still too much short kickouts though..pity they bottled that call about forcing kickouts to go beyond the 45. Westmeath won.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 19, 2019 8:26:16 GMT
TG4 showing Dublin v Westmeath in the O'Byrne Cup final live tonight. Also have the McKenna Cup final tomorrow night. Chance to see how the new rules are going. Just watched the Dublin v Westmeath game. Better spectacle to watch as far more footpassing. I cant recall any mark where a kick from inside the 45 was fetched in the scoring zone. The 3 pass rule made it harder for corner forwards to get involved because the 3 passes were used in the build up. Still too much short kickouts though..pity they bottled that call about forcing kickouts to go beyond the 45. Westmeath won. I they should tweak the handpassing rule so that you can't get pinged inside the 21.
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Post by southward on Jan 19, 2019 14:42:56 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 19, 2019 16:26:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 16:55:35 GMT
Hopefully they will focus on rule changes that may actually make it harder for teams using the blanket defense rather than making it harder for attacking teams.
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Post by veteran on Jan 19, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
It would appear that the views of managers and players sounded the death knell of the hand pass change, most of whom have no interest in the long term health of the game. Spineless decision all round.
Another year of watching the game die. It is currently easily the least attractive of our four major field games. Are the players, managers , administrators bothered? If not, does it deserve to survive? In its current incarnation I would not mourn its demise for too long.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 19, 2019 17:32:44 GMT
It would appear that the views of managers and players sounded the death knell of the hand pass change, most of whom have no interest in the long term health of the game. Spineless decision all round. Another year of watching the game die. It is currently easily the least attractive of our four major field games. Are the players, managers , administrators bothered? If not, does it deserve to survive? In its current incarnation I would not mourn its demise for too long. Sad but true
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Post by diego on Jan 19, 2019 17:41:12 GMT
Watched the game last night, handpass rule worked perfectly well. No evidence of it being a shambles or a farce, as some high profile managers would try to have us believe.
It was the only 1 of the rules that made a difference to how the game was played from what I could see, and it was a change for the better.
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Post by gbbuei on Jan 19, 2019 21:08:09 GMT
Watched the game last night, handpass rule worked perfectly well. No evidence of it being a shambles or a farce, as some high profile managers would try to have us believe. It was the only 1 of the rules that made a difference to how the game was played from what I could see, and it was a change for the better. Did you not find the 5 yard kick passes horrendous?
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Post by baurtregaum on Jan 19, 2019 21:10:03 GMT
Watched the game last night, handpass rule worked perfectly well. No evidence of it being a shambles or a farce, as some high profile managers would try to have us believe. It was the only 1 of the rules that made a difference to how the game was played from what I could see, and it was a change for the better. Agree 100%. I think Brannigan's performance, which was shambolic last week, may have been the final nail for this rule. The reality is that the games direction is being shaped by a very small number who do not necessarily have the long term interest of the game at heart. The first thing a sports journalist does when rule changes are proposed is pick up the phone to an intercounty manager, so the first media coverage of rules is accompanied by negativity from Harte, Keane, etc.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 19, 2019 21:15:55 GMT
Just saw the second half of last nights game and I thought the 3 handpass rule looked to be working very well. However it may have needed tweaking nearer to the offensive goal when soft hands are required for the final pass.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 19, 2019 22:09:36 GMT
Watched the game last night, handpass rule worked perfectly well. No evidence of it being a shambles or a farce, as some high profile managers would try to have us believe. It was the only 1 of the rules that made a difference to how the game was played from what I could see, and it was a change for the better. Did you not find the 5 yard kick passes horrendous? Yes I did. If my under 16 girls kick a pass that short I would hit the roof. Maybe it would have improved if they gave it a bit more time but a kick pass over that short a distance is usually under-kicked.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 19, 2019 22:12:23 GMT
It would appear that the views of managers and players sounded the death knell of the hand pass change, most of whom have no interest in the long term health of the game. Spineless decision all round. Another year of watching the game die. It is currently easily the least attractive of our four major field games. Are the players, managers , administrators bothered? If not, does it deserve to survive? In its current incarnation I would not mourn its demise for too long. Sad but true But it is still a better spectacle than soccer or rugby IMHO
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Post by southward on Jan 19, 2019 22:38:17 GMT
It would appear that the views of managers and players sounded the death knell of the hand pass change, most of whom have no interest in the long term health of the game. Spineless decision all round. Another year of watching the game die. It is currently easily the least attractive of our four major field games. Are the players, managers , administrators bothered? If not, does it deserve to survive? In its current incarnation I would not mourn its demise for too long. And just to add injury to insult, the prices are going up. www.the42.ie/gaa-confiirm-ticket-price-increases-4449260-Jan2019/
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Post by diego on Jan 19, 2019 22:52:36 GMT
Watched the game last night, handpass rule worked perfectly well. No evidence of it being a shambles or a farce, as some high profile managers would try to have us believe. It was the only 1 of the rules that made a difference to how the game was played from what I could see, and it was a change for the better. Did you not find the 5 yard kick passes horrendous? There weren't that many really, and i'd take them over the lateral hand passes any day. Looking at Tyrone's game tonight, and the value of someone with excellent kicking skills like Tiarnan McCann really stood out. Next week we'll have lads going back to the safe option of the hand pass, for fear of the dreaded turnover going against their name in the stat book. On a side note, Ronan McNamee could be in a spot of bother. Straight red, followed by another red cardable offense on his way off when he gave his man another bit of a dig. Wonder if McKenna Cup suspensions carry in to the league? Out of character with how Tyrone played over the 70 minutes to be fair. Good footballing team now.
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