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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 11:59:23 GMT
Caught between traveling to South Kerry for Mary’s v Valentia and West Kerry for the final on Sunday. I picked West Kerry purely because it was the final. Both games in my mind were going to be one sided affairs so the final was what attracted me West.
I’m so glad I headed in that direction. This turned out to be a cracker! The much fancied Dingle seemed to be on cruise control and found it hard to cope with the passion showed by Annascaul. The writing looked to be on the wall early for Annascaul as Dingle raced into an early lead but a number of unanswered points before the break brought Annascaul right back into it. Dingle lost Paul Geaney to a black card before halftime for what was a silly, petulant trip. The Dingle bench were in uproar with the decision, but I had a clear view of it and the referee got it correct. Half time score Dingle 0-08 Annascaul 0-07
The second half started brightly with both teams showing some good football. Annascaul lost Shane Foley to a black card for a rugby tackle on his opponent but this didn’t dampen their spirits. They battled gamely against the far superior team on paper. Dingle at this point looked rattled and Annascaul hit the front. As they game drew towards a close it looked as if it might bubble over with the signs of a schmozzle but, in fairness to the ref, he was straight in and threw water on that fire. James Crean was causing all sorts of problems for the Dingle defence and Mikey Boyle got yellow carded for a 2nd foul on him in the space of a few minutes. Annascaul were running at Dingle now and poor tackling led to a number of frees. Jason Hickson converting on nearly every occasion. Dingle broke upfield at pace, catching Annascaul on the break on a couple of occasions and went into a two point lead heading into injury time. It wasn’t over yet though as Annascaul pulled one back. The last two minutes of injury time were as exciting as I’ve seen in a long time. Annascaul camped inside the Dingle 45 and Dingle really sweating. The Dingle keeper delayed a little too long with a kick out and the referee hopped the ball much to the frustration of the Dingle support. Annascaul possibly had a late chance of a free denied by the referee when it looked like their player was fouled, but to be fair the referee was right on the spot and waved it away. The final whistle blew and a very relieved Dingle support celebrated! Annascaul to their eternal credit made a real game of this. They pushed Dingle to the pin of their collar in what was a rip roaring contest. Final score Dingle 0-14 Annascaul 0-13
On a note of the officiating, given so much bad press lately. I thought the team of officials yesterday did an excellent job. The game was allowed to flow as championship football should be. Brave decision to send off Paul Geaney so early, but, correct from my viewpoint. The referee, linesmen and umpires were all miked up with radio and I think this is something the county board should look to do more and more. It seemed to work really well with the referee on a number of occasions carding players for off the ball stuff which normally goes unpunished.
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Post by clubman on Nov 19, 2018 12:38:15 GMT
Who was the ref? Its a shame the underdogs didnt prevail, it must be a long time since either the Gaeltacht or Dingle didnt win the final I would assume?
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 12:57:30 GMT
Billy O’Shea from Keel reffed it. A few 50/50 calls I felt but overall a good game, well supported by his team in fairness. It was hard not to root for the underdog in this game. They battled bravely and made a real game of it, but Dingle had just enough to get over the line. The game drew a good crowd and on a fine day, there’s few places I’d rather have been!
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Post by allrounder on Nov 19, 2018 13:02:50 GMT
In fairness to you Ciarrailar, you are a mighty GAA man. You travel the length and breadth of the county going to games. How are your social media skills - you could be Gaelic Football's answer to Buff Egan!!!!!
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 13:10:51 GMT
In fairness to you Ciarrailar, you are a mighty GAA man. You travel the length and breadth of the county going to games. How are your social media skills - you could be Gaelic Football's answer to Buff Egan!!!!! Ha! I wouldn’t have time for bookface! My own district championship is over now with Rangers going oh so close, so all that’s left is to see what’s on offer elsewhere. In fairness, the district championships is where you see the real football! No quarter asked nor given and league placings rarely matter. I’d love to get to more games but I’d be divorced if I did. I’m only sorry I didn’t get to Valentia for the Waterville match if for no other reason than to watch Richard Quigley line out at 52 years of age!
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Post by allrounder on Nov 19, 2018 13:55:44 GMT
Billy O’Shea from Keel reffed it. A few 50/50 calls I felt but overall a good game, well supported by his team in fairness. It was hard not to root for the underdog in this game. They battled bravely and made a real game of it, but Dingle had just enough to get over the line. The game drew a good crowd and on a fine day, there’s few places I’d rather have been! Good to see Billy O' Shea get a big district final. Played the game at a high level and this shows when he is refereeing. Can't figure out why he is much maligned on here, our club are always glad to see him referee. Needs to work on his fitness though
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 14:42:05 GMT
Billy O’Shea from Keel reffed it. A few 50/50 calls I felt but overall a good game, well supported by his team in fairness. It was hard not to root for the underdog in this game. They battled bravely and made a real game of it, but Dingle had just enough to get over the line. The game drew a good crowd and on a fine day, there’s few places I’d rather have been! Good to see Billy O' Shea get a big district final. Played the game at a high level and this shows when he is refereeing. Can't figure out why he is much maligned on here, our club are always glad to see him referee. Needs to work on his fitness though Agreed. He has reffed my club on several occasions over the last 4/5 years and I’ve found him to be very consistent. He seems to know his stuff. I’ve often questioned some of the decisions but about two years ago I took it upon myself to read the rule book (available online for anyone interested) and I’ll tell you it opened my eyes. I’d often seen him hopping the ball on the 20m line following kick outs and I was baffled but now I know all players have to be outside the 20 when ball is kicked and kick outs have to be taken from the 13m line only.... I felt he had a fine game yesterday in what could have being a feisty affair. He kept a tight reign on it, being miked up with his other officials obviously helped. I think I counted 4 times he pulled lads up for overcarrying, something that very few referees do and it drives me mad. Seems to be a forgotten rule, the 4 steps! He obviously isn’t afraid to make the big call which may be why he wouldn’t be everyone’s favourite, how many referees would have black carded Paul Geaney yesterday in a West Kerry final, played in Dingle?? He does need to work on his fitness, but having said that, he still keeps up with the play fairly well. Thing I find with him is, you know what you’re going to get... firm but fair. He takes no s***e from players or mentors. Other lads could take a leaf. Jonathan Griffin, Donal Casey and James O’Sullivan would be similar in that regard.
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 14:43:08 GMT
Billy O’Shea from Keel reffed it. A few 50/50 calls I felt but overall a good game, well supported by his team in fairness. It was hard not to root for the underdog in this game. They battled bravely and made a real game of it, but Dingle had just enough to get over the line. The game drew a good crowd and on a fine day, there’s few places I’d rather have been! Good to see Billy O' Shea get a big district final. Played the game at a high level and this shows when he is refereeing. Can't figure out why he is much maligned on here, our club are always glad to see him referee. Needs to work on his fitness though Are you sure you weren't in South Kerry Ciarrailar. Because I was in dingle and your account is not what I saw. You really think Paul Geaney should have got black. Dingle were superior but the ref kept it interesting with some bizarre calls. One against Mathhew Flaherty at end was mind boggling. Surprise to see such an inexperienced ref get the final. I was at Dromid Skellig Saturday and Paul Hayes top class as from reports was Brendan Griffin down south yesterday. Mikie Geaney in particular seemed to draw the wrath of referee from start. It seemed from the offollowing the ref wasn't going to allow Dingle stroll to victory. However credit to Annascaul with limited resources to put themselves in position to take advantage of those calls.
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 14:56:07 GMT
Good to see Billy O' Shea get a big district final. Played the game at a high level and this shows when he is refereeing. Can't figure out why he is much maligned on here, our club are always glad to see him referee. Needs to work on his fitness though Are you sure you weren't in South Kerry Ciarrailar. Because I was in dingle and your account is not what I saw. You really think Paul Geaney should have got black. Dingle were superior but the ref kept it interesting with some bizarre calls. One against Mathhew Flaherty at end was mind boggling. Surprise to see such an inexperienced ref get the final. I was at Dromid Skellig Saturday and Paul Hayes top class as from reports was Brendan Griffin down south yesterday. Mikie Geaney in particular seemed to draw the wrath of referee from start. It seemed from the offollowing the ref wasn't going to allow Dingle stroll to victory. However credit to Annascaul with limited resources to put themselves in position to take advantage of those calls. 100% Paul Geaney deserved to go. He deliberately tripped his man after the ball was played away. Deliberate trip is a black card offence as I recall. I saw it clear as day as did the two lads with me. Geaney was having a fine match and causing a lot of consternation but to do something like that was madness on his behalf. I don’t recall the Matthew Flaherty incident you’ve mentioned but Matthew got away with a lot of holding yesterday from what I saw and the ref I think booked him in the end (open to correction on that though).
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 15:05:51 GMT
Are you sure you weren't in South Kerry Ciarrailar. Because I was in dingle and your account is not what I saw. You really think Paul Geaney should have got black. Dingle were superior but the ref kept it interesting with some bizarre calls. One against Mathhew Flaherty at end was mind boggling. Surprise to see such an inexperienced ref get the final. I was at Dromid Skellig Saturday and Paul Hayes top class as from reports was Brendan Griffin down south yesterday. Mikie Geaney in particular seemed to draw the wrath of referee from start. It seemed from the offollowing the ref wasn't going to allow Dingle stroll to victory. However credit to Annascaul with limited resources to put themselves in position to take advantage of those calls. 100% Paul Geaney deserved to go. He deliberately tripped his man after the ball was played away. Deliberate trip is a black card offence as I recall. I saw it clear as day as did the two lads with me. Geaney was having a fine match and causing a lot of consternation but to do something like that was madness on his behalf. I don’t recall the Matthew Flaherty incident you’ve mentioned but Matthew got away with a lot of holding yesterday from what I saw and the ref I think booked him in the end (open to correction on that though). My view is it was a late tackle and a harmless one at that. However a late tackle is not a black card. Matthew barely had ball in his hands in front of his own posts and blown for over carrying. Again the inexperienced ref told here. Trying to make draw of it.Surprised they didn't go for Moriarty the more experienced Keel ref. I think Ciarrai Lar you were actually down south and got second hand information from Dingle.
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Post by allrounder on Nov 19, 2018 15:14:50 GMT
100% Paul Geaney deserved to go. He deliberately tripped his man after the ball was played away. Deliberate trip is a black card offence as I recall. I saw it clear as day as did the two lads with me. Geaney was having a fine match and causing a lot of consternation but to do something like that was madness on his behalf. I don’t recall the Matthew Flaherty incident you’ve mentioned but Matthew got away with a lot of holding yesterday from what I saw and the ref I think booked him in the end (open to correction on that though). My view is it was a late tackle and a harmless one at that. However a late tackle is not a black card. Matthew barely had ball in his hands in front of his own posts and blown for over carrying. Again the inexperienced ref told here. Trying to make draw of it.Surprised they didn't go for Moriarty the more experienced Keel ref. I think Ciarrai Lar you were actually down south and got second hand information from Dingle. Two conflicting reports from two neutrals, God help the poor reiteoir!!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 19, 2018 15:23:57 GMT
we await the eye witness account from the man with the pipe, annascaultilidi himself
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 15:38:06 GMT
100% Paul Geaney deserved to go. He deliberately tripped his man after the ball was played away. Deliberate trip is a black card offence as I recall. I saw it clear as day as did the two lads with me. Geaney was having a fine match and causing a lot of consternation but to do something like that was madness on his behalf. I don’t recall the Matthew Flaherty incident you’ve mentioned but Matthew got away with a lot of holding yesterday from what I saw and the ref I think booked him in the end (open to correction on that though). My view is it was a late tackle and a harmless one at that. However a late tackle is not a black card. Matthew barely had ball in his hands in front of his own posts and blown for over carrying. Again the inexperienced ref told here. Trying to make draw of it.Surprised they didn't go for Moriarty the more experienced Keel ref. I think Ciarrai Lar you were actually down south and got second hand information from Dingle. Think you need to pick up a rule book. Tackle was late which was correct but the tackle was a trip. This was deliberate so he had to go. Blaming the referee for applying the rules is nonsensical. Fair enough a lot of refs might not have given it because of who it was. That in my mind takes balls. We see too many county players get away with stuff because of who they are.
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 15:55:10 GMT
My view is it was a late tackle and a harmless one at that. However a late tackle is not a black card. Matthew barely had ball in his hands in front of his own posts and blown for over carrying. Again the inexperienced ref told here. Trying to make draw of it.Surprised they didn't go for Moriarty the more experienced Keel ref. I think Ciarrai Lar you were actually down south and got second hand information from Dingle. Think you need to pick up a rule book. Tackle was late which was correct but the tackle was a trip. This was deliberate so he had to go. Blaming the referee for applying the rules is nonsensical. Fair enough a lot of refs might not have given it because of who it was. That in my mind takes balls. We see too many county players get away with stuff because of who they are. A trip is being fairly liberal with the description. No one blaming refs for implementation of rules. But a ref trying to make the final about him is different story. Again I suppose this down to inexperience of big games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 15:58:56 GMT
Can we please get back to the topic in hand - namely the Billy O Shea appreciation thread?
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 16:01:34 GMT
Can we please get back to the topic in hand - namely the Billy O Shea appreciation thread? lol I'd be more inclined to say the West Kerry appreciation thread. It was an enthralling encounter. Some magic matches lately in district championships across the county.
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Post by whacker on Nov 19, 2018 16:01:49 GMT
Let's call a spade a spade boys , the ref was an absolute disgrace ,he went into that game with an agenda and very nearly got what he wanted . If a hundred different referees refeed that game he would b the only one who would have sent off Paul geaney . Tom Sullivan got consistently fouled from the first minute to the last and the ref took a serious disliking to mikey geaney . I can safely say it was the worst performance from a fef I have ever seen . Fair play to annascaul and dingle for a very sporting game .
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 16:05:23 GMT
Let's call a spade a spade boys , the ref was an absolute disgrace ,he went into that game with an agenda and very nearly got what he wanted . If a hundred different referees refeed that game he would b the only one who would have sent off Paul geaney . Tom Sullivan got consistently fouled from the first minute to the last and the ref took a serious disliking to mikey geaney . I can safely say it was the worst performance from a fef I have ever seen . Fair play to annascaul and dingle for a very sporting game . Good to see someone else was at same game as I was.
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Post by whacker on Nov 19, 2018 16:37:54 GMT
we await the eye witness account from the man with the pipe, annascaultilidi himself To b honest I seriously doubt he was even at it
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Post by pluto on Nov 19, 2018 16:46:07 GMT
I was at this game and in all my years going to matches this was the worst refereeing performance i have EVER seen. The ref wanted dingle to lose. Paul geaney shud not have been black carded tom o sullivan was fouled all day. Ciarrailars report is very very wrong
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 16:50:46 GMT
I was at this game and in all my years going to matches this was the worst refereeing performance i have EVER seen. The ref wanted dingle to lose. Paul geaney shud not have been black carded tom o sullivan was fouled all day. Ciarrailars report is very very wrong Good to see a few more were at same game as me. But I have my doubts if Ciarrai Lar was there. I suppose we don't really know how the appointment came about. Maybe Mike Moriarty was unavailable and it went to the next ref from mid kerry. ? ?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 19, 2018 16:57:01 GMT
we await the eye witness account from the man with the pipe, annascaultilidi himself To b honest I seriously doubt he was even at it I wasn't there unfortunately.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 19, 2018 16:59:35 GMT
ciarrailar knows the rulebook better that most.
thanks for the match report ciarrailar.
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 17:09:09 GMT
ciarrailar knows the rulebook better that most. thanks for the match report ciarrailar. ?? ?
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 17:16:39 GMT
I was at this game and in all my years going to matches this was the worst refereeing performance i have EVER seen. The ref wanted dingle to lose. Paul geaney shud not have been black carded tom o sullivan was fouled all day. Ciarrailars report is very very wrong Good to see a few more were at same game as me. But I have my doubts if Ciarrai Lar was there. I suppose we don't really know how the appointment came about. Maybe Mike Moriarty was unavailable and it went to the next ref from mid kerry. ? ? I was there and my advice would be for you to pick up the rule book and read it. I'd say by your comments you don't even know what colour it is. I'm all for calling out poor decisions but Geaney deserved to go. A trip is a trip and it was deliberate. To say it was anything else is simply not true. I see from looking back you seem to have a set against this ref anyway so I'm slow to put any weight in your comments. Tom Sullivan fouled all day?? If I'm not mistaken he won a number of frees, what more do you want? He was also pulled for over carrying on a couple of occasions and rightly so. Either way, this thread is about the match and not the ref. West Kerry board deserve great credit for having everything laid out so well. The weather contributed to a great occasion and whether you agree or not, the match was one for the ages with a real David vs Goliath feel about it and we were kept on our toes right to the final whistle.
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Post by pluto on Nov 19, 2018 17:35:54 GMT
I know what i seen and the ref was brutal it was the only topic of conversation in dingle today. The gaeltacht refuse to have this ref referee their games and id say from now on dingle will be the same. Again i say ciarrai lars report is false
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 18:17:31 GMT
I know what i seen and the ref was brutal it was the only topic of conversation in dingle today. The gaeltacht refuse to have this ref referee their games and id say from now on dingle will be the same. Again i say ciarrai lars report is false Are you from Dingle by any chance? Lol
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Post by goonised on Nov 19, 2018 19:08:05 GMT
I know what i seen and the ref was brutal it was the only topic of conversation in dingle today. The gaeltacht refuse to have this ref referee their games and id say from now on dingle will be the same. Again i say ciarrai lars report is false Are you from Dingle by any chance? Lol I'm well east of dingle. Completely neutral. To say yesterday ref had balls to send off anow innocent player is mentally insane. I've seen refs in kerry send off big names Eg. Paul Hayes David Clifford, Brendan Griffin Colm Cooper Tom Mccarthy Darragh Sean. So to say yesterday's ref is only ref to send off big names is false. I think Ciarrai Lar should send us on a box of whatever as we all coud do with it.
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Post by peanuts on Nov 19, 2018 20:15:12 GMT
The full game is up on YouTube. Sorry I can’t post the link on the phone but if you search for Michael Dorgan you’ll get it. The Paul Geaney incident is on 28 minutes and you can all make up your own minds. Looked very harsh to me, more clumsy than deliberate unless Paul threw the leg to trip the Annascaul player but you can’t see that from the video.
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Post by ciarrailar on Nov 19, 2018 20:19:48 GMT
The full game is up on YouTube. Sorry I can’t post the link on the phone but if you search for Michael Dorgan you’ll get it. The Paul Geaney incident is on 28 minutes and you can all make up your own minds. Looked very harsh to me, more clumsy than deliberate unless Paul threw the leg to trip the Annascaul player but you can’t see that from the video. Correct, hard to see on the video but you can clearly see the player is past Geaney and then hits the deck. I had a clearer view of it and it was definitely intentional. Leg went out after the player and tripped him.
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