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Post by taibhse on Sept 25, 2018 18:08:37 GMT
Not a word on JP's generosity on here... 100,000 divided by how many clubs? 69 listed on the Main Site = €1,45O approx. each. Unique gesture.
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Post by glengael on Sept 28, 2018 17:07:32 GMT
James Horan looking set for a comeback in Mayo. It will be interesting to see his backroom team and how he sets about the rebuilding process of the panel.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 28, 2018 17:27:31 GMT
Not a word on JP's generosity on here... 100,000 divided by how many clubs? 69 listed on the Main Site = €1,45O approx. each. Unique gesture. Clubs are getting €1345 each.
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Post by oldschool on Sept 30, 2018 16:30:00 GMT
Settle a bet (2 pints) Who was the last Kerry senior football manager that did not deliver an all Ireland victory? When was he manager>
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Post by keane on Sept 30, 2018 16:36:39 GMT
Ogie till '95 no?
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Post by oldschool on Sept 30, 2018 17:07:05 GMT
Yes I had Ogie but not the date. I probably won I pint. Ta for that
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Post by glengael on Oct 1, 2018 8:18:11 GMT
Ogie was manager 93,94,95. No silverware at all. Mickey Ned at least had 1 decent scalp in his time derailing Cork's 3 in a row, even if that was well forgotten in the aftermath of July 1992..
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Post by peanuts on Oct 1, 2018 12:00:26 GMT
Exclusion zone can destroy blanket: Joe Brolly outlines his plan to make football a skill-based spectacle once again
It is not often you see Anthony Tohill angry. When he is, nobody speaks. They look down at their feet until he is finished.
When we were walking out onto Croke Park a few weeks ago to be presented to the crowd, he turned, looked up at the Ard Comhairle and, eyes flashing with anger, said, "there they are, Brolin (he calls me that after the Swedish striker of the 1990s), sitting in their soft seats doing f**k all as the game falls into disrepute."
President Donald Trump made a speech at the United Nations General Assembly last Tuesday where he made his standard claim, that "in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of the country." Which caused the delegates to burst into spontaneous laughter. The GAA hierarchy has been telling Congress that things have never been better for the last decade. Only at Congress, they don't laugh. They clap. As the new director-general says, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The Playing Rules Committee, half of which is made up of hurling folk, has until now done nothing to combat the problem. If nothing is broken, it doesn't need to be fixed. So, inevitably, the game has become increasingly unwatchable. However, with John Horan as the new president (and having already shown leadership in intervening to make sure the Liam Miller game was played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh), there are signs that an attempt to tackle the problem is brewing.
The president should not apologise for this. He will receive the support of 99 per cent of the GAA community who, like Anthony Tohill, are screaming out for something to be done. In truth, he has no choice. An average TV audience of only 449,000 tuned into the Dublin v Galway semi-final, while a mere 447,000 watched Tyrone v Monaghan the following day. Last year, in contrast, Mayo v Kerry attracted 729,600 TV viewers, with Dublin v Tyrone garnering 663,400.
This huge year-on-year drop of almost 40 per cent (the loss of 500,000 viewers) is a statistic that doesn't lie. People are switching off in huge numbers.
This doesn't just apply to the TV-watching GAA public. Croke Park on both semi-final days this year felt more like league than championship, with 'game management' replacing football. Attendance at the field of dreams was, unsurprisingly, down by just over 22 per cent since last year.
The starting point for any serious attempt to revive the game is to accurately identify the problem. That core problem is zonal or blanket defending, where players drop off their men and take up a space inside the scoring zone. This in turn leads to the problems that spectators complain bitterly about.
"There is too much hand-passing," they say. This is because the attacking team see a sweeper (or two) in front of their full-forward, perhaps five opponents strung across the 45, with perhaps 12 or 13 opponents inside the scoring zone. This makes kick-passing virtually impossible, save around the periphery of the zone. "For f**k sake, would you attack them," they say, when the team in possession hold the ball for lengthy periods rather than dash themselves off the rocks of the blanket defence.
So, when a team get a lead against a zonal defensive team, if they are smart, they will hold possession for lengthy periods, eventually (hopefully) drawing them out, before attacking through the gaps. Dublin do it. Against Galway at one point in the semi-final, they held the ball for 1 minute 47 seconds before going in for a point.
Slaughtneil, the kingpins of Ulster football, were pilloried for doing it in their recent Derry Championship match against O'Donovan Rossa Magherafelt, managed by Tyrone's Adrian Cush. Rossa scored one point from play in the whole match (after one minute), then went into the 1-14-0 formation, with all outfielders inside the 45.
As Slaughtneil edged further and further ahead, why should they have attacked bald-headed into the Magherafelt zone? Slaughtneil are a fantastic team who play with a great spirit and have given Derry folk great pride and excitement over the last five years, playing some of the most memorable games seen during that time (their Ulster Championship game against Kilcar last year was an unforgettable classic). If Slaughtneil are reduced to this, then it is the fault of the game, not theirs.
That Derry Championship match was an abomination. But abominations have become a familiar sight to any lover of Gaelic football. The Dublin senior team might be able to carve open these blanket defences, but for the rest of us it is extremely difficult. Even the Dubs, with all their firepower, have had to change the way they play. Where once they moved the ball forward with lightning speed, now they have to exercise caution and use intricate patterns of play to create scores against massed defences.
Once the problem is accurately identified, only then can we start to look at possible solutions. For some time, I have been thinking carefully about how to solve the problem without impacting on the skills and flow of the game. Obviously when teams are playing with a blanket defence, the game has no flow, so what I mean is protecting the skills of the game, and the teams who go out to play skill-based football in the right spirit.
The problem is that teams are dropping men into the scoring zone to stifle quick attacks and prevent goal chances. Almost every competitive team now do this. Galway flood the zone a la Tyrone 2017. Monaghan flood it. Derry use the 1-12-2. Carlow use the 1-14-0, Fermanagh the 1-13-1.
Dublin use a sweeper, who drops in front of the opposing full-forward as the attack develops, preventing early ball to the danger zone and making it extremely difficult to score goals against them, save for the odd penalty. Tyrone likewise. Up until August this year, they played a double sweeper system inside their 13-man zone to prevent goals. Then, for the semi-final against Monaghan, they switched to a single sweeper - Colm Cavanagh - who did the trick just as well.
Hand-passing, for example, is not the problem. Limiting hand-passing is an artificial exercise that will have no impact on zonal defending. If anything, it will encourage the blanket, since it is impossible to kick-pass your way through it.
I have heard people suggest that hand-passing should be limited to three consecutive passes. But what if the fourth hand-pass is the one that sends the forward through on goal at the end of a beautiful flowing move? Does the man who takes the third hand-pass have to turn back and kick-pass the ball backwards to a team-mate? It would drive everyone mad.
Seamus Kenny of Simonstown and Meath is a welcome addition to the Rules Committee. His club's senior team have already trialled a limitation on hand-passing and like ours, they found it was encouraging zonal defending rather than curbing it. Kerry and Dublin hand-passed throughout the golden era of the 1970s and '80s and we loved it. Couldn't get enough of it. Good hand-passing and clever runs on and off the ball are a joy to behold.
I have advocated various possible new rule trials over the past number of years. Here is one I have been working on that might avoid the need for any further change. It is simple, doesn't affect the skills of the game or its flow and, critically, makes zonal defending pointless.
I am proposing that the scoring zone around the goals becomes an exclusion zone, where a defending player can only man-mark - no one can take up a space there unless he is man-marking. We have trialled this and it looks great. So, there would be a semi-circle (marked in fluorescent yellow) from the end line, 10 metres in from each sideline, running to 35 metres at its tip.
Only man-marking would be permitted in this zone. This means that the attacking team dictates who goes in there. So, if their full-forward stations himself on the edge of the square a la Michael Murphy or Kieran Donaghy, then one defender can be there with him. If the attacking team decide to play two forwards in there on either side of the square, then there will be two defenders in there.
The other players on the defending team can only be in there if their man goes in there. This has a number of consequences: it means that an early ball can (and will) be kicked in to the danger zone. It means that coaches will be forced to work on attacking strategies to take advantage of the man-marking rule. Crucially, it means that there is no longer any point in a blanket defence since, a) a team cannot protect the scoring zone with zonal defenders or double markers and, b) an opponent will not be able to mark space and must man-mark, since an attacking player can attack into the exclusion zone at any time.
Until now, there has been no point in attacking through the centre of the zone as the player is running into dense traffic. The opposition simply surround the man in possession and either dispossess or trap him until he has over-carried. With the exclusion zone, they can no longer do this. They will instead have to be man-marking the attacking player before he reaches the zone to prevent him taking or creating an easy score inside the zone.
Say, for example, the right half-forward kicks a diagonal ball into the exclusion zone to the full-forward. The centre-forward or midfielder times his run and sprints into the zone to get off the full-forward's shoulder and take the pass. If he is not being man-marked before he reaches the exclusion zone, he will be through on goal. The opposition cannot play zonally outside the exclusion zone, since they would then be unable to track the runners.
In turn, this will force teams to tackle higher up the pitch. Otherwise, good early ball can be moved into the exclusion zone under no pressure. Basically, it will mean they must man-mark. At the moment, the defending team are unconcerned about leaving a man free on the 45. They just stand off him, making sure he can't get any closer.
Galway are a good example of this, with their five men strung across the 45. With the exclusion zone, however, they will be forced to pick up a man. Teams can no longer leave an attacking player free outside the 45 as he can easily kick accurately to the exclusion zone; even from 60 metres it is only a 30-45 metre kick-pass. Crucially, it would restore the game to a man-marking, skill-based spectacle.
The exclusion zone means there is no point any longer in marking space since it will not serve any purpose. The club trials (I appreciate these are limited and that proper, extensive trialling is required) show that it works well, and promotes very good attacking, and skilful, defensive football.
At the moment, as managers, we all want to leave our inside attacking area uncongested, so we will try to play with four or five up, perhaps with wing-forwards hugging the touchlines and the inside forwards repeatedly making runs off the ball to create space in the danger zone. This is pie in the sky when facing a zonal defence. If, however, defenders are forced to man-mark - and the exclusion zone necessarily forces them to man-mark both inside and out of the zone - then the blanket defence is redundant, and creative attacking strategies will become the norm.
It is also easy to police. At inter-county level and club championship level, there are neutral umpires and linesmen. With the exclusion zone marked in fluorescent yellow it is easy to see if there is a sweeper.
In future Cian O'Sullivan will have to mark his man. No turning and dropping into the space in front of the danger zone. If he does, the umpire or linesman will buzz the ref in his ear-piece. In future we will see if Colm Cavanagh is actually a good midfielder. We will find out whether footballers like Colm who have never played a position can actually mark a man and really play football, or are only effective when they are the free man, doubling up on an outnumbered forward. And Magherafelt will go out and play the football they are capable of, knowing good forward play will be rewarded.
It is the blanket defence that has ruined the game, both for the players and the spectators. The exclusion zone is a neat solution. It promotes attacking play and gives the initiative to the attacking team. It promotes skill-based football and will make for an excellent spectacle.
Imagine Kerry v Dublin in next year's semi-final and the first high ball is driven in for David Clifford, with Philly McMahon having to mark him without help. I'd pay to see that. Alternatively, it is kicked in and three men are hanging off him. It gets demoralising after a while, for the spectators and the kid.
The penalty for breaching the exclusion zone while not man-marking would be a 21-yard free in front of the posts. A clear, easily understood sanction that will keep defending teams on their toes.
The usual complaint is that it would be unworkable at club league level, but that is already the wild west. At club league level, the official will continue to do his best, without any help, as he does currently. Forwards getting fouled and punched off the ball in a club league game? Tough luck. In Croke Park it will be a free in and a yellow card for the offender. At club league level, when is a point a point? When the home team's umpire (father of the right half-forward) awards it? Seamus Downey once complained to the Dungiven referee Oney O'Neill that a point he had awarded against Lavey was a yard wide. (Seamus was absolutely correct about this). Oney wrote the score down in his notebook, turned to Seamus and said, "Buy The Irish News tomorrow Seamus and you'll see if it was a wide or not."
At Croke Park and Thurles we have Hawk-Eye. At club level, the referee has always had to muddle along doing his impossible best, whether it is a square ball or a penalty (when the referee is 80 yards away) or a card. It will be easy - even at club league level - for the referee to take a look and see if there is a sweeper inside the exclusion zone. At championship level, and inter-county, it will be very obvious indeed, and very easy for the two neutral umpires, two neutral linesman and referee to spot it.
The game needs to be revived, and fast. The exclusion zone might just be the defibrillator.
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Post by southward on Oct 1, 2018 12:17:44 GMT
Bizarre idea. Imagine trying to police that.
You're a defending player in the exclusion zone. How close to your man do you have to be to be considered to be marking? Your opponent sprints or sneaks away from you - are you marking him now? Is this a free?
Last minute of a tied AI final. You go down with cramp in the zone. You're not marking anyone so. Free in to win Sam?
You're a referee, umpire, whatever. How many attackers in the zone? How many defenders? Lets see.. 1,2,3,4,5 hmmm no.12 has just stepped out so that's 1,2,3,4..no another guy in. So that's..ah f*ck it!
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Post by OnTheForty on Oct 1, 2018 13:13:29 GMT
Sounds good in theory to have the same number of defenders and attackers and have good 6v6, 4v4 etc matchups. But in practice, what would happen? I'm sure Monaghan would put McManus inside on his own all day and kick ball in 1v1. So the other 14 Monaghan players are there to defend and give the ball to the main man. Kerry could do the same with Clifford or rotate Geaney in every 2nd ball. So Kerry v Monaghan could be Clifford v McManus with 24 players packed between the 45s. Or as southward rightly points out, it would be easy for forwards to draw free kicks: step into the zone; defender steps in; step out again; look ref, extra defender in the zone! Something needs to be done, but this is not it. I think something like teams must have 2 or 4 players inside opposition 45, or 4 or 6 players inside opposition 65, or forwards cannot go inside own 65 or 45. The numbers of players and the lines on the field should be determined by trial and error. But this should be workable, easier to enforce, prevent full team blanket defence, give more space, and be less open to exploitation?
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 1, 2018 13:20:46 GMT
What an ass..le (just in case we didn't know already)- all he left out was a flashing beacon that should be attached to each players head, that lights up when they cross the flourescent yellow line and repeat offenders get a mild electric shock.
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Post by southward on Oct 1, 2018 13:31:17 GMT
What an ass..le (just in case we didn't know already)- all he left out was a flashing beacon that should be attached to each players head, that lights up when they cross the flourescent yellow line and repeat offenders get a mild electric shock. I think Joe might have been after snaffling a few volts himself when he came up with this one. That or some funny mushrooms.
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 1, 2018 14:22:52 GMT
He has just invented a completely new sport.
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Post by yourholiness on Oct 1, 2018 14:44:24 GMT
I think this is very unlikely to work . It’d be like lannigans ball.
I personally think a zone from around 25m out that awards more for points from this range could work . It would force teams to engage somewhat further out . No doubt it would give rise to other issues .
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Post by peanuts on Oct 1, 2018 19:58:01 GMT
I don’t think Brolly’s idea works but Something does need to be done. A lot of team sports (rugby and basketball in particular, soccer to a lesser extent) involve teams attacking and defending as a team and that has permeated into Gaelic football in the last number of years. Donegal in 2012 being a prime example of a team defending and attacking as a unit. Dublin do it quite well at the moment even if not to the same extent. Problem is a lot of teams tend only to do the defending part and when you have two teams defending like that it leads to a poor spectacle. The only way I think to get around it as OntheForty and others have mentioned is to force teams to maintain a certain number of players in the attacking half. It’s something that could be trialled relatively easily.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 20:08:36 GMT
Brolly has the identified the problem but his solution is not workable.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Oct 1, 2018 21:41:01 GMT
Bonkers idea. Couple of reasons why. What happened under the following circumstances ?
Opposition get a forward sent off. My team now have 6 backs but the opposition only have 5 forwards, my teams spare man has to stand outside the D twiddling his thumbs
Secondly I presume he has a penalty for lads entering the zone when not permitted. What happens if I’m a forward and I check my run at the last second and the back continues running into the zone unaware. There’s now more backs than forwards there, is this a free?
Look it’s good to discuss potential evolutions of the game but this ain’t a runner.
Possibly bringing in a 2 pointer line, like basketball, might encourage teams to press out more on shots from outside, might remove the sweeper on the 21 who’s their to block goals, creating a bit of space inside. A mark inside the 21 would be no bad thing either to encourage longer and faster ball in
Very hard to nail one thing but food for thought.
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Post by hatchetman on Oct 1, 2018 22:38:35 GMT
Any other suggestions? How about making the goal posts wider? It would result in more goals and enable more points to be kicked from a greater distance.
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 1, 2018 22:46:38 GMT
Put a hoop on a backboard and award three points for handpassing the ball into it.
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Post by ddtinexile on Oct 1, 2018 23:39:55 GMT
Good Man Sully. Ha ha very funny that.
Restrict the handpass to 2 or 3 and make them kick the FOOTBALL note the word FOOT?
And after 2 or3 hand passes the FOOTBALL must be kicked forward.
Eliminate the pass back to the keeper immediately after the kick out. Make them fight for the ball like in the days of yore.
If they hq don't change things HANDBALL will burst the FOOTBALL.
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Post by glengael on Oct 2, 2018 8:25:07 GMT
From today's Indo. Does he have a point about the entire month of September being empty of all National GAA activity ?
Pat Spillane believes the Mayo saga and Sean Cavanagh injury would not have received as much attention if they clashed with the All-Ireland finals
October 1 2018 4:10 PM
I know I wrote last week about the stupidity of the GAA’s decision to, more or less, surrender national competition in September – but I can’t help giving the decision another lash this morning.
It will be the end of January before our hurlers and footballers are seen again in national action – the beginning of that month before they begin the likes of the O’Byrne and McKenna Cups.
Already the GAA has realised that their three-year experiment of freeing up September would mean next year’s All-Ireland football final being played as early as Sunday, August 25 – and wisely put the big day back a week to September 1.
Well, I’ve a bit of advice for them: Go the whole hog, cancel this ‘free September’ notion and go back to the old dates for the showpieces. This is an own goal – to destroy the sporting month that is known as the GAA’s big one.
And for what? To give incompetent county boards around the country time to run off games. Do you ever hear of Dublin, Kilkenny, Cork or Tyrone getting into trouble playing club games?
No, they are well-run and able to react quickly when their programme might hit a bit of disruption for any reason. Others are still scratching around now playing county quarter-finals despite being beaten at senior inter-county level months ago.
Another difficulty with closing down inter-county activity for so long is that the GAA media – written, broadcast or social – doesn’t shut down.
So what do they fill their space and time with? Why, with stories that do not reflect well on the GAA.
Where do I start? Well, the Mayo ladies row rumbles on with huge media coverage. If the championship season was in full swing this would hardly register. It’s a mountain being made out of a molehill, but the grim reality is that when you choose to wash dirty linen in public, no-one’s a winner.
I always felt that when Cora Staunton came out with words like “unhealthy” and “unsafe”, which were not substantiated by any evidence and led to other rumours, that the players were on a loser.
Who is actually at fault? No-one will say it publicly, but off the record everyone has the same answer.
The public slagging has to stop, but it should be remembered that the majority of players voted to stay on, the County Board supported the manager to the hilt and the only solution is to have the players come back without having lost face. That’s easier said than done.
Tyrone football has made too many bad headlines of late. The photos of Sean Cavanagh’s facial injuries were lapped up as a stick to beat the GAA with – especially on social media. Of course, one incident of this type is one too many, and yes, violence on the pitch still happens around the country when it comes to matches where passions run high. But is it a huge problem? No.
At the same time, that incident and the one at an intermediate match recently in the same county raises an issue: Does Tyrone football have a problem with discipline?
Tyrone doesn’t have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.
And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year’s Ulster U-20 semi-final. That’s a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn’t help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that Sean’s autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?
I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan’s response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.
So that’s what our papers have been carrying instead of coverage of September All-Ireland deciders in hurling, football, minor, senior, camogie and ladies football at all levels.
Last Monday our biggest-selling daily newspaper, the Irish Independent, had 29 pages of sport – three of them were about Gaelic Games. You can’t blame the paper. While people might look at a county final report from other counties, they are not going to read stuff about round-robin matches or quarter-finals, which is the stage we are only at now because county boards are under no pressure to get games played.
The GAA will live to regret this mess that costs it valuable promotional time in our schools, too.
GAA President John Horan should bring back our inter-county September – and in time for 2019 too.
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Post by Joxer on Oct 2, 2018 8:31:46 GMT
Fair play to Joe. I don't see a lot wrong with his suggestion myself. As he says it would have to be extensively trilled but worth doing I think. Something has to happen anyway and restricting the handpass as Joe points out isn't the solution to blanket defences. Predictable 'whataboutery' in response on here and besides trotting out the handpass restriction suggestion, nobody seems to have any other suggestions.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 2, 2018 9:01:56 GMT
I am still holding out for a collective realisation that overly defensive football is losing football.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 2, 2018 23:33:36 GMT
Maybe this this is a bit off point, though it is Autumn talk, I had the pleasure of attending a Donegal County Senior Quarter Final last Sat between St Michaels and Sean MacCumhaills. One Oisin Gallen of MacCumhaills put in a shift like I have seldom seen and I flag him, not as spy but so that others will get the thrill I did. To say he was worth the entrance fee on his own would be understatement and he was arguably the difference that had the 3/1 outsiders romp home. This Oisin laddo is keen, fast, 'Duracelled', turns up everywhere the ball is, tackles, fights for possession, covers, makes himself available for off-loading in right passage and finishes off both legs - 6 points including a 45 that would do Brian Sheehan proud. I seen him work out a point when he was written off, in another instance I recall the eyes straying to see where the three defenders would land the ball, only for yer lad to do a George Best thread for a point - would have goaled on another occasion.
Someone said he is minor again next year though maybe they were forgetting it is now u17 - Declan Bonner was in attendance and while the lad played minor, I wonder if he could go straight into seniors? He'd remind you of Clifford and he could help solve the issue with Murphy needing to be in two places at once. Together with Paddy McBrearty I'm looking forward to a few right good outings once the turkey is ate, even if it isn't our own green 'n' gold - ah sure I can shout 'em to an Ulster Final and then change horses, well hopefully I will still have two runners at that stage!
So the message from up here is, one Oisin Gallen is a very very bright prospect, and above all, amazing beyond belief to watch - great to see a young lad demonstrating such pure skill in an era where quality is often scarce.
P.S. Just head he is in DCU so even better prospects.
P.S. 2 Wouldn't normally disagree with Spillane but he is wide of the mark here - the GAA is not responsible for what others do in the media and let's see how the new system goes. Heading to Ballybofey for Glenswilly v Naomh Conaill (Glenties) in the SF of the County Senior Club Championship under lights in what should be the game of the competition.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 5, 2018 15:26:42 GMT
What are the provincial pairings for the Super 8's in 2019? Munster were in with Connaught this year is it Leinster or Ulster next year for Munster?
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Post by glengael on Oct 6, 2018 11:33:00 GMT
Laochra Gael featuring Declan O'Sullivan is on tomorrow afternoon on TG4. Looking forward to cheering myself up by watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 15:24:23 GMT
Can't wait for this but also feel a bit sad when I think of our current half forward line.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 17, 2018 18:51:37 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 17, 2018 18:53:54 GMT
A bit of a quirky one from Dont Foul I knew Fitzgerald Stadium was the true home of attacking football Someone asked him who missed the 2 frees in the Fitzgerald Stadium Typical Cork langers.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 17, 2018 19:08:02 GMT
Also he posted some stats from the 2018 championship. Sean O'Se showing up very well here in his first season. Clifford topping the point attempt list. Ludicrous stuff for his first season.
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