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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:09:00 GMT
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Post by john4 on Aug 7, 2018 22:24:51 GMT
Tipperary is 95% hurling with football only played in the southeastern part of the county, there are people on the Tipperary county board that wouldn't mind seeing every football in the county burst, any manager in a place like that, that can get felles to buy into even playing for the county not to mind having a real go at getting to an all Ireland final deserves credit. We live in a kind of bubble here where we can't understand the challenges that some managers face in other countries. Sometimes if the fella that's used to working with the least, can get the best out of the most. Who'd you favour yourself?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 22:26:15 GMT
Colm Parkinson has spoken favourably of Liam Kearns.
I love his podcast but I don't know is that kind of endorsement a good thing or not.
I'd love Kearns personally.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 7, 2018 22:27:55 GMT
One man that I haven’t heard mentioned & who could triple up as a selector / strength & conditioning / coach is Aidan O Mahony. As a recently enough retired inter county player he’s well in tune with the current game plus there’s no denying his passion & commitment to the Kerry cause. I think Stephen Stack is another who should be looked at in some capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:35:13 GMT
Tipperary is 95% hurling with football only played in the southeastern part of the county, there are people on the Tipperary county board that wouldn't mind seeing every football in the county burst, any manager in a place like that, that can get felles to buy into even playing for the county not to mind having a real go at getting to an all Ireland final deserves credit. We live in a kind of bubble here where we can't understand the challenges that some managers face in other countries. Sometimes if the fella that's used to working with the least, can get the best out of the most. Who'd you favour yourself? My pick is o shea but think Keane is a strong candidate also. Kearns has done a fine job but you argue that with the under age success Tipp have had, it is not that out of the blue either.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 22:37:52 GMT
Tipperary is 95% hurling with football only played in the southeastern part of the county, there are people on the Tipperary county board that wouldn't mind seeing every football in the county burst, any manager in a place like that, that can get felles to buy into even playing for the county not to mind having a real go at getting to an all Ireland final deserves credit. We live in a kind of bubble here where we can't understand the challenges that some managers face in other countries. Sometimes if the fella that's used to working with the least, can get the best out of the most. Who'd you favour yourself? My pick is o shea but think Keane is a strong candidate also. Kearns has done a fine job but you argue that with the under age success Tipp have had, it is not that out of the blue either. Who laid the foundations for their underage success??!? Does Pat Shea have any interest? I thought I saw it suggested that he does not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 22:41:22 GMT
John Evans claims he had a big part!
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Post by yellowbelly on Aug 7, 2018 22:46:18 GMT
My pitch for Liam Kearns; Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins. Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork. He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider. The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry. In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship. In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10] On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11] The omission of the years between 2011 and 2014 is telling mind you. He took over Rathmore when they were Kerry Senior Club Champions and in three years led them to Division Two of the County League, non challengers in the County Championship and consecutive 15 point beatings by Crokes in the O'Donoghue Cup. Ask anyone from Rathmore was Liam Kearns worth the money they spent on him.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2018 22:52:21 GMT
Tipperary is 95% hurling with football only played in the southeastern part of the county, there are people on the Tipperary county board that wouldn't mind seeing every football in the county burst, any manager in a place like that, that can get felles to buy into even playing for the county not to mind having a real go at getting to an all Ireland final deserves credit. We live in a kind of bubble here where we can't understand the challenges that some managers face in other countries. Sometimes if the fella that's used to working with the least, can get the best out of the most. Who'd you favour yourself? Was it in 2016 that Tipp lost half the team after the league to hurling and to America and still made the S/F?
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Post by An Bradán on Aug 7, 2018 22:53:25 GMT
Some of the names being bandied about to be involved from here on are curious. Some have had varying degrees of success in management. Also we've heard nothing from the rest of the management team. I'm presuming most have done their time or would the likes of Mikey Sheeny wish to stay on. For what it's worth here is my take on a few names regarding future manager/ selectors. I'm not even considering John Sugrue as I'd imagine he's tied to Laois for the future, he's a big loss to Kerry.
I guess I better start taking cover.
Thanks but no thanks - John Evans, Jerome Stack, Liam Hassett, Jack O'Connor and his crew, Pat O'Driscoll
Possible coaches or selectors - Donie Buckley, Maurice Fitz, Diarmuid Murphy, Steven Stack, Gooch, Sean the Bawn
Manager / Chief - Pat O'Shea, Peter Keane, Diarmuid Murphy
I've undoubtedly forgotten some guys but I'm sure it will be pointed out to me fast.
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Post by An Bradán on Aug 7, 2018 22:59:48 GMT
My pick is o shea but think Keane is a strong candidate also. Kearns has done a fine job but you argue that with the under age success Tipp have had, it is not that out of the blue either. Who laid the foundations for their underage success??!? Does Pat Shea have any interest? I thought I saw it suggested that he does not. Donal Daly Games Development Officer oversaw the process of developing Kerry's young players with many other coaches involved at various ages. County coaching officers played their part too but not on the pitch. Some of the guys that are mad for putting themselves forward were / are the weakest coaches...funny that. Donal deserves massive credit but he's not the type to push himself forward.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2018 23:05:41 GMT
Who laid the foundations for their underage success??!? Does Pat Shea have any interest? I thought I saw it suggested that he does not. Donal Daly Games Development Officer oversaw the process of developing Kerry's young players with many other coaches involved at various ages. County coaching officers played their part too but not on the pitch. Some of the guys that are mad for putting themselves forward were / are the weakest coaches...funny that. Donal deserves massive credit but he's not the type to push himself forward. We were talking about Tipp.
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Post by An Bradán on Aug 7, 2018 23:14:14 GMT
Donal Daly Games Development Officer oversaw the process of developing Kerry's young players with many other coaches involved at various ages. County coaching officers played their part too but not on the pitch. Some of the guys that are mad for putting themselves forward were / are the weakest coaches...funny that. Donal deserves massive credit but he's not the type to push himself forward. We were talking about Tipp. Ah sure I copped that but was too lazy to bother deleting my pearls of wisdom. David Power was the man who guided Tipp to minor victory vs Dublin in 2011. Took them on when nobody else wanted them apparently.
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2018 0:02:12 GMT
If Pat O'Shea is interested he would be my choice
He was Kerry manager for 2 years, won the all Ireland and lost the final narrowly the following year. He is in touch with the more recent modern era having guided Crokes to the all Ireland club title, his involvement with Crokes the last few years means he has a good handle on what talent there is around the county as well as he is at club games week in week out
I think we need to give to him for a 2 year spell and have a man beside him learning the ropes to take over. Remember both Eamon and Jack served time under the managers they took over from. It is not a bad model
Would Peter Keane working hand in hand with Pat be an idea? Pat manager with Peter Keane & Diarmuid Murphy his two right hand men. The other angle would be John Sugrue back working with Pat again, they worked well together before, but geography, work etc may rule him out
I also think Maurice Fitzgerald still has a lot to offer Kerry football, wonder wd he step back a grade or 2 do a few years with the minors, Peter Keane stepping up would create a vacancy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 0:55:47 GMT
Pat O'Shea would definitely be my choice also. He was a very good player in his day. He has a lot of coaching experience. He gets the best out of his players and has great respect from his players.
Don't know if he will want it though. He has been there before so we'll see.
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Post by mossie on Aug 8, 2018 1:19:07 GMT
Colm Parkinson has spoken favourably of Liam Kearns. I love his podcast but I don't know is that kind of endorsement a good thing or not. I'd love Kearns personally. Have massive admiration for his work with Limerick, the players really seemed to play for him and had huge loyalty to him. it is a hurling mad county and many of the dual players refused to pack in football when it would have been easier for them to do so but they had come through the ranks with Kearns , and there seemed to be real loyalty and bond among the group that won the munster under 21 football title and reached the final v tyrone. at senior level, they were so close to winning that elusive munster title ditto his achievement in getting Tipp to the 2016 All Ireland semi. But the gloss has gone off that for me, in that I felt Tipp should have been beating Cork in this years Munster championship. They are a better team and have better players than cork in my view so much an all I admire his work elsewhere, I d still be looking at Pat Shea or Peter Keane ahead of him
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Post by piggott on Aug 8, 2018 6:42:33 GMT
Are executive picking selection committee tonight to put forward a name for new manager? Who will these be? Will there be interviews? This committee to be ratified at County Board meeting next Tuesday night.
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Post by boots on Aug 8, 2018 7:07:47 GMT
While people may not be delighted with the idea, I still think jack o Connor may be right man for the job over the rest of the candidates being mentioned. As we are learning with all this talk of abuse for Eamon Fitz, there’s a lot more to managing this Kerry side than just setting up training and standing on the sideline during games. I’m not sure if PK, or Diarmuid, or Maurice have built up the required thick skin and unwavering belief in what they are doing to be able to deal with those types of outside pressures. Maybe the have. But Jack has been on the ride before, he knows what it takes. Yes he’s lost some he should have won, but he also had the team playing some brilliant football for many years. The under 20’s for me is a completely different scenario. It’s a shorter competition. Less availability of players. Some guys doing the leaving cert and not being able to train in the lead up to this years championship. Not having your best players playing etc.
He took the minors for two years and they played brilliant football. If he had stayed put, the likelihood is he would have overseen the 4 in a row himself and would be the only name on the senior docket!
However, if I was offering him the job, I would insist on a complete clear out of those in his entourage. We don’t need a manager surrounded by yes men. We’ve had enough of that for the past few years. Jack with somebody like Donie Buckley (I know it didn’t work before, but with a clear out, the circumstances may be different). Donie has an impressive reputation, i don’t know the man, so I don’t know if it’s deserved but certainly anybody who has worked with him speaks very highly of him. I would also include the likes of Seamus Moynihan (currently coaching & managing Fossa), Marc O’Se (currently coaching and managing his own club for a few years) and Mike Quirke (currently coaching and managing his own club for a few years). All three are involved at the coal face with hands on coaching. O’Se and Quirke appear very well tuned in to the modern game from what you can pick up from their newspaper columns. Anying I’ve heard has been positive about how them. And more importantly I think all three of them and Donie would challenge jack O’Connor in his way of thinking and get the best out of him too.
Anyway, I’m sure others will disagree. but I do believe we need people who are actually actively coaching or have been recently. I think a ticket including the names I’ve mentioned above would be a very strong management team. But who knows what’s going to happen. It will be an interesting time.
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 8, 2018 8:06:20 GMT
Just curious if Diarmuid Murphy has managed any team? I know he was selector for a few years.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 8, 2018 8:43:17 GMT
Diarmuid Murphy is now the bookies' favourite and by some distance.
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 8, 2018 8:53:44 GMT
What inter county football did Peter Keane play ... minor?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 8, 2018 8:59:48 GMT
While people may not be delighted with the idea, I still think jack o Connor may be right man for the job over the rest of the candidates being mentioned. As we are learning with all this talk of abuse for Eamon Fitz, there’s a lot more to managing this Kerry side than just setting up training and standing on the sideline during games. I’m not sure if PK, or Diarmuid, or Maurice have built up the required thick skin and unwavering belief in what they are doing to be able to deal with those types of outside pressures. Maybe the have. But Jack has been on the ride before, he knows what it takes. Yes he’s lost some he should have won, but he also had the team playing some brilliant football for many years. The under 20’s for me is a completely different scenario. It’s a shorter competition. Less availability of players. Some guys doing the leaving cert and not being able to train in the lead up to this years championship. Not having your best players playing etc. He took the minors for two years and they played brilliant football. If he had stayed put, the likelihood is he would have overseen the 4 in a row himself and would be the only name on the senior docket! However, if I was offering him the job, I would insist on a complete clear out of those in his entourage. We don’t need a manager surrounded by yes men. We’ve had enough of that for the past few years. Jack with somebody like Donie Buckley (I know it didn’t work before, but with a clear out, the circumstances may be different). Donie has an impressive reputation, i don’t know the man, so I don’t know if it’s deserved but certainly anybody who has worked with him speaks very highly of him. I would also include the likes of Seamus Moynihan (currently coaching & managing Fossa), Marc O’Se (currently coaching and managing his own club for a few years) and Mike Quirke (currently coaching and managing his own club for a few years). All three are involved at the coal face with hands on coaching. O’Se and Quirke appear very well tuned in to the modern game from what you can pick up from their newspaper columns. Anying I’ve heard has been positive about how them. And more importantly I think all three of them and Donie would challenge jack O’Connor in his way of thinking and get the best out of him too. Anyway, I’m sure others will disagree. but I do believe we need people who are actually actively coaching or have been recently. I think a ticket including the names I’ve mentioned above would be a very strong management team. But who knows what’s going to happen. It will be an interesting time. Absolutely regressive step, i think it would be an awful appointment. Been there done that have the T shirt, Thanks Jack.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 8, 2018 9:01:05 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 8, 2018 9:02:03 GMT
Yes Jigz84 Bookies have Diarmuid Murphy 7/4 Favourite Strong inside information coming out that he is already put in place, this is crazy if true. There is no smoke...... 1/2 in some places!
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Post by allrounder on Aug 8, 2018 10:02:59 GMT
From reading this forum, I'm presuming Donie Buckley has coached Mayo to several All Ireland victories while he has been there. I'm presuming Mayo haven't lost to Galway for the last three seasons in the championship and I'm presuming Mayo beat a very average Kildare team in this years Championship. And for every person that says they nearly won an All Ireland, they also nearly lost to mediocre teams like Roscommon, Cork and Derry. He was part of a management team that dropped their keeper on the morning of an All Ireland final (we all know how that fared out). Donie is probably a very good coach but he's not the Messiah. Or maybe the curse up there is just too strong!!!! Or am I missing something??
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2018 10:07:33 GMT
From reading this forum, I'm presuming Donie Buckley has coached Mayo to several All Ireland victories while he has been there. I'm presuming Mayo haven't lost to Galway for the last three seasons in the championship and I'm presuming Mayo beat a very average Kildare team in this years Championship. And for every person that says they nearly won an All Ireland, they also nearly lost to mediocre teams like Roscommon, Cork and Derry. He was part of a management team that dropped their keeper on the morning of an All Ireland final (we all know how that fared out). Donie is probably a very good coach but he's not the Messiah. Or maybe the curse up there is just too strong!!!! Or am I missing something?? A lot of the areas in which Mayo are strong, Kerry are arguably weak. Mayo have done incredibly well considering their resources in the forwards.
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Post by allrounder on Aug 8, 2018 10:21:05 GMT
A lot of the areas in which Mayo are strong, Kerry are arguably weak. Mayo have done incredibly well considering their resources in the forwards. They conceded 21 points against Kildare. They have no settled full back. As for "their resources in the forwards", Andy Moran was player of the year last year and Cillian O' Connor was top scorer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 10:34:10 GMT
My pitch for Liam Kearns; Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins. Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork. He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider. The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry. In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship. In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10] On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11] The one big blot on his CV is Laois. Apart from that he has been very impressive.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2018 10:35:06 GMT
A lot of the areas in which Mayo are strong, Kerry are arguably weak. Mayo have done incredibly well considering their resources in the forwards. They conceded 21 points against Kildare. They have no settled full back. As for "their resources in the forwards", Andy Moran was player of the year last year and Cillian O' Connor was top scorer
I think Mayo might be better judged on other years than this one. Andy Moran is a good player. Let me not get into a debate on Cillian O'Connor.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2018 10:47:20 GMT
My pitch for Liam Kearns; Liam Kearns coached Na Piarsaigh to the Limerick U21 Football Championship in 1997, the club's only U21 football county title, a team that contained Declan Lynch (Head of Sports Medicine Bath Rugby), Mike Prendergast (Assistant Coach to Grenoble), Ian Costello (Former Backs Coach to Munster) and captained by Comdt Joe Mullins. Kearns is highly regarded as a manager and coach and during his spell with Limerick he turned them into the second team in Munster as they outshone Cork. He managed the Limerick under 21 side to successive Munster titles and to an All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championship final appearance. In 2003 he led Limerick to a Division 2 National Football League final where they were beaten by Westmeath on the same day that Laois lost to Tyrone in the Division 1 decider. The following year he was in charge when Limerick beat Laois in a Division 1 National Football League tie at the Gaelic Grounds and that year Limerick reached the Munster Senior Football Championship final which they lost on a replay to Kerry. In 2010 he led Aherlow to the Tipperary Senior Football Championship. In November 2015, Kearns was named as the new manager of the Tipperary senior football team.[1][2][3] In June 2016, Tipperary reached the Munster final after a 3-15 to 2-16 win against Cork. They went on to defeat Derry by 1-21 to 2-17 in round 3A of the qualifiers to reach the All Ireland Quarter-finals for the first time.[4] On 31 July 2016, Tipperary defeated Galway in the 2016 All-Ireland Quarter-finals at Croke Park to reach their first All-Ireland semi-final since 1935.[5][6][7] On 21 August 2016, Tipperary were beaten in the semi-final by Mayo on a 2-13 to 0-14 scoreline.[8][9][10] On 8 April 2017, Tipperary won the Division 3 final of the 2017 National Football League after a 3-19 to 0-19 win against Louth in Croke Park.[11] The one big blot on his CV is Laois. Apart from that he has been very impressive. Laois 2006Came top of Division 1B (Galway, Derry, Down, Kildare, Armagh, Meath, Wexford) of the league before losing to Kerry in the semi final. Beaten well by Dublin in Leinster. A Dublin side that were beaten by Mayo in a classic semi final. Laois went on to beat All Ireland champions Tyrone in the qualifiers. They beat Meath in the next round and then beat Offaly who lost the Leinster final to Dublin. Lost to Mayo by three points, who would go on to beat Dublin before being "Gooched" in the final. Laois 2007Stayed in Division 1 by coming mid table in Division 1B (Galway, Kildare, Derry, Westmeath, Armagh, Louth, Down). Laois get to the Leinster final where they lose to Dublin. Beaten by four points by Derry in their R4 qualifier. Laois 2008Finish bottom of Division 1B. Lose to Wexford in the LSF. They beat Longford in the qualifiers before losing to Down. Not an amazing record but then again he was only learning the ropes: it was ten years ago. The question might be has he learnt enough in the ten years since?
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