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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 5, 2018 15:59:50 GMT
For me Pat O'Shea is the standout option. Have Donie Buckley as assistant manager and Maurice Fitzgerald and Seamus Moynihan as selectors and forwards and backs coach respectively. Move Peter Keane up to the u20s.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 5, 2018 16:52:04 GMT
I wish Eamon all the best in his future endeavours. He did his bit. A new voice and new ideas are needed. Hopefully the powers that be will get someone in ASAP as we need a strength and conditioning coach for the young lads for the winter months. Interesting few weeks ahead. I presume Joe O'Connor is kept on? At the time of his announcement it seemed that he was kind of independent of the management team and was part of an overall approach to strength and conditioning.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 5, 2018 17:09:05 GMT
For me Pat O'Shea is the standout option. Have Donie Buckley as assistant manager and Maurice Fitzgerald and Seamus Moynihan as selectors and forwards and backs coach respectively. Move Peter Keane up to the u20s. Can Pat take the Kerry job with his involvement in Munster coaching? I think the Munster council made an exception in 2007. I agree that Donie Buckley should be involved regardless of who is manager.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 17:12:14 GMT
Should Stephen Stack be added to any potential ticket? I see Evans is mad looking for a Kerry selectors role?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 17:13:48 GMT
I wish Eamon all the best in his future endeavours. He did his bit. A new voice and new ideas are needed. Hopefully the powers that be will get someone in ASAP as we need a strength and conditioning coach for the young lads for the winter months. Interesting few weeks ahead. I presume Joe O'Connor is kept on? At the time of his announcement it seemed that he was kind of independent of the management team and was part of an overall approach to strength and conditioning. Kerry weren't hopping off the ground post Munster championship this year or last!
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Post by clarinman on Aug 5, 2018 17:16:26 GMT
To be fair to Eammon he is taking the slack for Kerry's poor showings, but this year is a reflection of poor strength and conditioning by Joe O Connor and also poor side line decision by selectors. Others that are gone hiding should face the supporters with answers also. I don't agree on the strength and conditioning. We had plenty of legs at the end of the Monaghan game and the second half yesterday. I think it was more of an intensity issue. Players were not putting in the work rate between the 45s. On the selectors, can you say for definite that they had an input during a match. I got the feeling it was a one man show on the sideline.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 5, 2018 17:41:16 GMT
I wish Eamon all the best in his future endeavours. He did his bit. A new voice and new ideas are needed. Hopefully the powers that be will get someone in ASAP as we need a strength and conditioning coach for the young lads for the winter months. Interesting few weeks ahead. I presume Joe O'Connor is kept on? At the time of his announcement it seemed that he was kind of independent of the management team and was part of an overall approach to strength and conditioning. AWB I am not in the loop but continuity wouldn't be a bad thing from the gym work point of view.
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Post by backothehill on Aug 5, 2018 19:49:36 GMT
Liam Kearns as Kerry manager would set us back 10 years. Peter Keane is very much an unknown quantity and is a big gamble but maybe the best option available. Pat o shea would be the best option but he may feel he has already ticked that box. Why would Liam Kearns set us back six years? What could you possibly mean by that?
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Post by timmy on Aug 5, 2018 20:07:26 GMT
Joe O’Connor as S&C lead was always going to be a bad decision. Joe is one of the best in the business and has a proven track record going back 10 plus years - however Joe has too much going on with other commitments at the moment
Limerick Hurling S&C Runs his own Gym in Tralee Lecturer in Tralee IT Ireland’s fittest family Kerry Foootball S&C
Can’t see how he would have the time or energy to commit 100% to the Kerry job.
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Post by piggott on Aug 5, 2018 20:10:00 GMT
Our best managers proved themselves within the county, before being given the top job. Dwyer trained Waterville to two County Finals as well as Kerry Under 21s in 1973. Paidi had won County Championships with West Kerry and Under 21s in 95 and 96. Jack won Under 21 in 98 and got to final in 99. Liam Kerins has not done that, but is able to generate spirit and enthusiasm in weaker counties. Eamon is hugely popular among the players, he didnt have the talent Jack or POS had in 2006 and 2007. I don't think he under prepared the team. His substitutions have been baffling however.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 5, 2018 20:17:30 GMT
Joe O’Connor as S&C lead was always going to be a bad decision. Joe is one of the best in the business and has a proven track record going back 10 plus years - however Joe has too much going on with other commitments at the moment Limerick Hurling S&C Runs his own Gym in Tralee Lecturer in Tralee IT Ireland’s fittest family Kerry Foootball S&C Can’t see how he would have the time or energy to commit 100% to the Kerry job. My understanding is that it is a part time post in which he directs things and Niall o Mahoney does the day to day work.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 22:30:54 GMT
Extraordinary performance by Spillane on TSG.
He starts off by criticising social media and invokes Paidi's "animals" comment about Kerry fans.
He then says EF had no plan.... tried a sweeper re Galway with no preparation, abandons the sweeper v Monaghan and resorts to long ball to Donaghy v Kildare.
Dessie interjects saying "thats very ruthless".
"No tis honest" says Pat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 22:33:39 GMT
Spillane being Spillane is all I will say.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 5, 2018 23:09:03 GMT
Spillane has an awkward way of expressing himself but he was not entirely wrong. Watching The Sunday Game this evening and reflecting back, I think a further legacy from the Fitzmaurice era is surely I hope a lesson will now be learnt from the powers that be within the county that sheltering players away completely from the clubs and supporters is not healthy. There needs to be more of a balance and not an extreme either way. Living in a complete bubble is not healthy. Just look at Monaghan as an example, look at the bond between the supporters and players. This has to be a shared journey because an us versus them mentality will get you no where. The relationship between the Kerry management and supporters (clubs included) in the end felt a bit poisoned and it’s just not right.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2018 23:11:48 GMT
It was a very incisive analysis by Spillane. The gas thing was how he complained about social media etc before cutting right to the bone himself
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 6, 2018 2:43:55 GMT
As wan of the baby elder statesmen of the forum and havin sifted through a few comments, I'll ragale a wee line of wan hugh flaherty that comes to mind - "Id like to think that I made the best of what I had". If that is the benchnark to expressing oneself as a kerryman and bearing in mind that expectation rises as u climb, then Eamonn passes. Realistically, we hav all scored goals from the high stool. I bet Eamonn never scored wan of them though.
From the bottom of our hears Eamonn, thanks.
And to the 'kerry supporters' who didnt hav the liathrodi to even express themselves in open forum bar stool, 'if you're not with the wan u love, love the wan you're with'. There is one manager and if u are better then giv us ur address and watch out for the application form in the post. Ps better still post it publicly, a laugh is never refused!
Eamonn Fitznaurice did well by us 'animals', and as billy keane would say 'that doesnt make him a bad man'.
To Tina and family/connections, thank you, walk tall agus go n'eiri an bothair linn.
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Post by pillar on Aug 6, 2018 7:22:47 GMT
EF,like all people who give time to a job,deserves our thanks for the work put in.He always did his best and no doubt thought he was doing the right thing.In this day and age tho,everyone can be a critic with so many platforms to vent their views. It's just the world we live in.I think he has done the right thing as it's obvious he has ran out of ideas and the best thing now is to get some fresh ideas and faces into the set up. I do agree with Pat Spillane when he said these players are living in a cocoon at training and aren't playing near enough club football.Its nearly harder get off the panel now than on it.This is an ideal opportunity for clubs and their delegates to set the agenda for a new manager and hopefully we'll see more players playing more games which will lead to a better set up.
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Post by glengael on Aug 6, 2018 8:34:30 GMT
It was a very incisive analysis by Spillane. The gas thing was how he complained about social media etc before cutting right to the bone himself Well Pat puts his name to his criticism and has done in print and on TV for the last 30 years or thereabouts. That's not the case on social media.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2018 10:48:46 GMT
COLM COOPER: Manner of Éamonn Fitzmaurice exit just not right Monday, August 06, 2018 Driving north to Ballybofey gave me plenty of road and thinking time to mull over what’s next for Kerry football.
Replacing Eamonn Fitzmaurice isn’t easy, and the choice will define whether Kerry harnesses or fritters away a special group of young players.
It is also the most important decision the new chairman and his executive will make.
There’s no shortage of fellas who want the gig.
On the radio yesterday I heard John Evans, and while he didn’t say he wanted the job, he certainly didn’t close the door on the possibility. Liam Kearns would feel his name should be in the hat, and John Sugrue has been impressive in Laois.
It’s a big ask for Peter Keane to go from Kerry minor to senior manager, but people who have worked with him rate him very highly.
It would be a big move by the board to go with him, but if they go back to Jack O’Connor, what is that saying to aspiring coaches in the county?
The county board executive went out on a limb last autumn and hung their hat on Eamonn for another three years. It was a decision that raised eyebrows and there’s been little this season to indicate that Eamonn was persuading the rump in the county things were getting better.
Saturday’s win over Kildare was too little too late.
The damage was done in Croke Park against Galway and given what happened in Clones, one could only conclude Kerry were lucky to be still fighting for something at the weekend.
You can’t dress it up any other way.
Of course, in almost every county, if you win six out of six provincial titles, an All-Ireland and a National League, you would have hero status. But not in Kerry.
Is Éamonn right to go? Ask me in 12 months. Is a fresh voice and a new approach going to make the difference? Only time can tell that.
Éamonn felt that he needed more time and breathing space with the younger players. Will the new manager get that? Ultimately Éamonn’s longevity went against him.
But I’d be disappointed with myself if I was one of the senior players on this Kerry team. Of all the years the manager needed his senior players to stand up, this was the year.
Many not only failed to deliver but didn’t play enough matches — and that’s something I keep returning to.
Éamonn has gone with the likes of Killian Young in the Super 8s — presumably on the basis of experience, because it can’t have been game form as he’s played hardly any competitive games in 2018 with club or county.
People think I go on an awful lot about fellas not playing enough — that’s why.
When Éamonn is wondering where the negativity is coming from amongst football people, that is certainly a legitimate gripe.
Paul Geaney and Paul Murphy are regarded as two of the top players in the country — could you say they had good seasons? They should be shining lights for Kerry — along with several of their more experienced colleagues.
It’s not very long ago the Kerry dressing room was littered with lads fighting to be first out of the trenches.
Darragh Ó Se, Seamus Moynihan, Declan O’Sullivan, they’d take it on the chin and come back for more.
No matter what was being said in the media and on the streets, there was a group who’d pull us all together behind closed doors. I didn’t sense or see that in 2018.
Has Kerry even developed a discernible plan how they want to play? Defensively, they chopped and changed and the performance against Galway was unacceptable and someone has to be accountable for that.
It wasn’t good enough, so, of course, questions were going to be asked.
Éamonn isn’t the first Kerry manager to get it in the neck — Jack O’Connor, Pat O’Shea, Paidi, right back to Micko, they were calling for his head after the 1977 semi-final defeat to Dublin. And we know what happened next.
What blindsided me totally was that Éamonn made the announcement so soon. It was all very un-Éamonn like.
Usually he’d let things sit for a while and process all the angles before coming to a considered decision.
That he didn’t on this occasion indicates this has been building for a lot longer than people think.
Looking at some of his comments from Saturday, you could sense he was upset by the negative vibe around the place and how it was negatively influencing the younger players.
I know what he’s talking about when it comes to hate mail. I’ve had that, and it’s not nice.
It puts you in a place where you re-evaluate everything, including your involvement in the GAA.
By removing himself from the picture, he has literally taken one for the team.
The sad thing is that the perpetrators of spite go s*ing back behind their keyboards. It’s just not something you associated with the GAA.
I’ve been in a dressing room with this guy. The manner of his going saddened me, it just wasn’t right. It didn’t sit well with me.
The commitment and leadership he has shown as a player, selector, and manager underlines not only the type of man he is, but the type of Kerry man he is.
His successor has material to work with. A lot of people could see David Clifford was the real deal but I’ve been surprised at how rapid his progress has been.
What has improved most is his temperament. I watched him in a league game in Clones earlier in the year and they were tearing at him, a real welcome to senior football.
But the second time he went to Clones two weeks ago he was ready for it and took everything in his stride. Pat O’Shea once said to me you can be 19 and be a leader of a team if you want to be. He’s already a leader, but he shouldn’t be the leader at 19.
He has landed 4-13 in three Super 8 games.
Kerry need a manager now who will build a style of play, integrate those talented young fellas, and develop a better defensive shape — 1-17 conceded against Monaghan, 2-16 against Kildare, with 14 men for the second half — those problems were well advertised in the spring.
It should be an early priority for his replacement.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 6, 2018 10:49:50 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2018 11:05:35 GMT
Colm hits lots of targets in his piece in todays paper, a summary of which is below.
Colm knows the game better than anyone. I would like to see him involved in the new set up.
It’s a big ask for Peter Keane to go from Kerry minor to senior manager, but people who have worked with him rate him very highly.
It would be a big move by the board to go with him, but if they go back to Jack O’Connor, what is that saying to aspiring coaches in the county?
The county board executive went out on a limb last autumn and hung their hat on Eamonn for another three years. It was a decision that raised eyebrows and there’s been little this season to indicate that Eamonn was persuading the rump in the county things were getting better.
Saturday’s win over Kildare was too little too late.
The damage was done in Croke Park against Galway and given what happened in Clones, one could only conclude Kerry were lucky to be still fighting for something at the weekend.
You can’t dress it up any other way.
But I’d be disappointed with myself if I was one of the senior players on this Kerry team. Of all the years the manager needed his senior players to stand up, this was the year.
Many not only failed to deliver but didn’t play enough matches — and that’s something I keep returning to.
Éamonn has gone with the likes of Killian Young in the Super 8s — presumably on the basis of experience, because it can’t have been game form as he’s played hardly any competitive games in 2018 with club or county.
People think I go on an awful lot about fellas not playing enough — that’s why.
When Éamonn is wondering where the negativity is coming from amongst football people, that is certainly a legitimate gripe.
Paul Geaney and Paul Murphy are regarded as two of the top players in the country — could you say they had good seasons? They should be shining lights for Kerry — along with several of their more experienced colleagues.
Has Kerry even developed a discernible plan how they want to play? Defensively, they chopped and changed and the performance against Galway was unacceptable and someone has to be accountable for that.
It wasn’t good enough, so, of course, questions were going to be asked.
Kerry need a manager now who will build a style of play, integrate those talented young fellas, and develop a better defensive shape — 1-17 conceded against Monaghan, 2-16 against Kildare, with 14 men for the second half — those problems were well advertised in the spring.
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Post by glengael on Aug 6, 2018 11:44:10 GMT
Colm makes some excellent points and he repeats a key question we have asked had over and over again on this forum namely
Has Kerry even developed a discernible plan how they want to play?
I would love if one of the outgoing management team, not necessarily Eamonn Fitzmaurice, would enlighten us about that great plan which apparently never existed.
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Post by taibhse on Aug 6, 2018 13:16:34 GMT
As a result of Eamon’s departure, the description of ‘Keyboard Warriors’ is being liberally applied to us forum contributors in today’s print media.
Social media and technology is here to stay and is now an important part of everyday life. But so are sports, so it is no surprise that these two topics are converging. So I would say, get used to it.
No way would I defend anonymous letters or personal abuse. But if something isn't right, it's no longer easy to avoid the issue. All I hear today is why management and selectors who make bad choices should be excused for their actions while the rest of us get hit with the repercussions.
In Kerry we have a fervent cultural faith in the inherent supremacy of our footballers. We can only withstand a certain amount of excuses before people grow impatient. Calling us Animals or Keyboard Warriors or whatever is the flavor of the day is arrogant nonsense. Nuacht bhréagach? Ní dóigh lion é.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2018 13:24:46 GMT
Colm fairly debunks the argument that all Kerry needed was intensity.
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Post by piggott on Aug 6, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
Kerry supporters have always been the same. Listen to Terrace Talk's series The Greatest Day and you will hear criticism from 100 years ago of Kerry selectors and selections when Kerry teams were beaten. Same with anonymous letters to PF in the Kerryman in the the 1940s an 1950s. No problem castigating our best players either. It is most of the reason we have 37. We demand it.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 6, 2018 14:46:45 GMT
Kerry supporters have always been the same. Listen to Terrace Talk's series The Greatest Day and you will hear criticism from 100 years ago of Kerry selectors and selections when Kerry teams were beaten. Same with anonymous letters to PF in the Kerryman in the the 1940s an 1950s. No problem castigating our best players either. It is most of the reason we have 37. We demand it. You really think supporter demands is "most of the reason Kerry have 37 AIs?!
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Post by piggott on Aug 6, 2018 15:01:37 GMT
I think it has a lot to do with it. If another manager in another county had achieved what EF achieved he would be eulogised for his lifetime. Of course within Kerry footballers the desire to emulate their predecessors is a big part of it too. In Weeshie Fogarty's book.on Dr Eamonn he said his greatest ability was to take average footballers and make them think like champions.
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Post by beantownfan on Aug 6, 2018 15:32:14 GMT
Extraordinary performance by Spillane on TSG. He starts off by criticising social media and invokes Paidi's "animals" comment about Kerry fans. He then says EF had no plan.... tried a sweeper re Galway with no preparation, abandons the sweeper v Monaghan and resorts to long ball to Donaghy v Kildare. Dessie interjects saying "thats very ruthless". "No tis honest" says Pat. I don't think Pat is too far off the mark. He is right that history will be favorable on Fitzmaurice, but at the same time the complaints have been pretty consistent on here for the past 2 to 3 years and little has been done to solve it.. Is it something folks have the right to start abusing players/management about, absolutely not.. but we do still have a right to be critical when issues are apparent. I think Pat is entitled to his opinion, and he is not making digs anonymously, he's been quite open in what he has said. It just hasn't worked out for Eamonn for a few years, I don't think many could question his loyalty and service to the county, but sometimes good intentions just aren't enough.. I've had great time for him, but particularly in the last 12 months things have not worked out for him for one reason or another.. I think Pat is spot on too in regards to lads playing with their clubs. I am sure he sees first hand that Temploenoe, a small club, are without 3 or 4 players for a big chunk of the year.. Multiply that across the county, you've the 35 to 40 of best players in the county playing 4 to 5 competitive games all year (if even that).. I wouldn't even consider munster championship games competitive any more. Lads would be better off being told they have to play for their club rather than protecting them.. Take Gavin Crowley who has been much mentioned on this forum recently - I am not sure when anyone could say they've seen him in action as he has not been available to his club since last year.. It'd be better if players were left back to their clubs and have selectors attend a few co. league games..
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Post by southward on Aug 6, 2018 15:43:34 GMT
I think it has a lot to do with it. If another manager in another county had achieved what EF achieved he would be eulogised for his lifetime. Of course within Kerry footballers the desire to emulate their predecessors is a big part of it too. In Weeshie Fogarty's book.on Dr Eamonn he said his greatest ability was to take average footballers and make them think like champions. It has been argued that part of Mayo's problem is being eulogised by their supporters in the wake of persistent failure.
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Post by An Bradán on Aug 6, 2018 16:36:29 GMT
Regardless of what supporters thought of Eamonn Fitz as a manager there are a few things that are undeniable.
He has behaved with dignity and grace whether in victory or defeat.As a representative of us all his behaviour has been exemplary. We are in an era where Kerry have to compete with one of the greatest teams of all time in Dublin and arguably one of the best (albeit unsuccessful) Mayo teams of all time. Many other counties have got their act together and are now fiercely competitive. This makes the championship so much harder to win. Kerry supporters have a sense of entitlement and expect AI success at least every second year. Those days are gone and gone forever. Mistakes were made in selection and tactics, EF and his team aren't the first and won't be the last to err.
While everyone is entitled to their opinion some so called Kerry supporters are nothing short of an embarrassment. Anonymous letters to the manager and players are the tools of cowards and gutless fools. Some of the malicious rubbish stories circulating the county about the manager and players are a disgrace and should never be allowed to go unchallenged.
Finally I return to the scenes of so called supporters streaming out of Fitzgerald Stadium on Saturday evening with 10/15 minutes to go. It sickened me to see people turn their back on their team at a time when they really need support from all of us. We have a few more tough years ahead of us. Dublin will almost certainly not just equal the 4 in a row but very likely better it. A Dublin 5 in a row or worse is a real possibility now and it sickens me to consider it. Our place as the greatest football county will be lost forever. Kerry are one of the few counties that could possibly halt their gallop but the reality is we've a hell of a long way to go. Eamonn did the county great service as a player and manager. He wasn't perfect but none of us are. He put his hand up when others hadn't the balls to do so and inherited a squad in decline and in need of massive surgery. It didn't work out as expected or as we wished. I'm sure nobody was more disappointed than Eamonn Fitz himself.
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