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Post by john4 on Sept 11, 2018 8:47:12 GMT
I understand the points made, it's club football and it's on a different level, but the ease at which scores were taken is worrying. I personally get a great kick out of seeing a defender have a great game, Its the effort, work ethic and cuteness that was missing. There was 8 county championship matches in Mayo the weekend, and 14 goals scored/conceeded in those 8 matches. This is more about realism than pecisism.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 11, 2018 11:23:59 GMT
I understand the points made, it's club football and it's on a different level, but the ease at which scores were taken is worrying. I personally get a great kick out of seeing a defender have a great game, Its the effort, work ethic and cuteness that was missing. There was 8 county championship matches in Mayo the weekend, and 14 goals scored/conceeded in those 8 matches. This is more about realism than pecisism. In fairness mayo have the opposite problem bad example!
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Post by scart on Sept 11, 2018 11:50:54 GMT
Just seen the fixtures for next weekend's Round 3 games. Can anyone shed light on why these have not been fixed as two double headers, one in Tralee on Saturday evening and one in Killarney on Sunday? Surely it would make sense to have Dingle vs Kierans & Crokes vs Gaeltacht in Tralee on the Saturday and Mid Kerry vs Brendans & South Kerry vs Rathmore in Killarney on Sunday? Instead Crokes have effectively been handed home advantage, they may as well play the match in Lewis Road while they're at it. No consideration for fans who would like to take in all games over the weekend, particularly our loyal Western folk who it would have been far more convenient for. Also completely unfair to An Ghaeltacht to force them to take on the Crokes in effectively their own backgarden. Not the first time either a certain team from Killarney has benefitted from the county board's fixture committee. It seems the former county board chairman has moved on, but his legacy remains.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 11, 2018 12:44:45 GMT
I wouldn't get too hung up on the whole open nature of the defences in the county championship. How many of the inter county defenders actually play in the same potions for their club / division. Also there is less pressure on the ball put the field.
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Post by keane on Sept 11, 2018 13:51:26 GMT
It does seem really absurd that Gaeltacht have to travel to Killarney to play Crokes. Is there meant to be home advantage for the teams that won in Round 1 or something?
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Post by fivenarow on Sept 11, 2018 14:06:00 GMT
Different types of animal playing county & club. It is not comparable. In inter county football when you beat Johnny cooper to the ball you have another 10 Johnny Coopers or worse bearing down on you at speed .At Club / county championship level if you beat Johnny the average corner back you’re probably in on goal unopposed. Just ask yourself how many fellows that played championship in kerry last weekend would get on the Dublin squad. The different levels are frightening at the moment. East kerry are looking good but have they really played any serious opposition yet. Clifford is immense but It would be interesting to see who could step up if he was missing against a serious outfit.
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Post by piggott on Sept 11, 2018 15:19:56 GMT
Different types of animal playing county & club. It is not comparable. In inter county football when you beat Johnny cooper to the ball you have another 10 Johnny Coopers or worse bearing down on you at speed .At Club / county championship level if you beat Johnny the average corner back you’re probably in on goal unopposed. Just ask yourself how many fellows that played championship in kerry last weekend would get on the Dublin squad. The different levels are frightening at the moment. East kerry are looking good but have they really played any serious opposition yet. Clifford is immense but It would be interesting to see who could step up if he was missing against a serious outfit. I thought East Kerry backs were poor, particularly against St Brendan's. Paul Geaney caused havoc when high ball sent in. Good forward line, but jury is out on midfield.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Sept 11, 2018 15:53:57 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Sept 11, 2018 16:36:05 GMT
Different types of animal playing county & club. It is not comparable. In inter county football when you beat Johnny cooper to the ball you have another 10 Johnny Coopers or worse bearing down on you at speed .At Club / county championship level if you beat Johnny the average corner back you’re probably in on goal unopposed. Just ask yourself how many fellows that played championship in kerry last weekend would get on the Dublin squad. The different levels are frightening at the moment. East kerry are looking good but have they really played any serious opposition yet. Clifford is immense but It would be interesting to see who could step up if he was missing against a serious outfit. In fairness if you best johnny cooper and your playing na fianna you dont have anyone remotely near his standard on that team.go to a fair few club games up here outside of the top 3 or four clubs the standard isnt all that. They are all however very fit. Also a lot of the ic players up here dont look as good as when they are playing for dublin for some reason .... i think people over exaggerate how good the club scene is up here imo. Corofin probably streets ahead again.
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Post by fivenarow on Sept 11, 2018 17:07:41 GMT
In inter county football when you beat Johnny cooper to the ball you have another 10 Johnny Coopers or worse bearing down on you at speed .At Club / county championship level if you beat Johnny the average corner back you’re probably in on goal unopposed. Just ask yourself how many fellows that played championship in kerry last weekend would get on the Dublin squad. The different levels are frightening at the moment. East kerry are looking good but have they really played any serious opposition yet. Clifford is immense but It would be interesting to see who could step up if he was missing against a serious outfit. In fairness if you best johnny cooper and your playing na fianna you dont have anyone remotely near his standard on that team.go to a fair few club games up here outside of the top 3 or four clubs the standard isnt all that. They are all however very fit. Also a lot of the ic players up here dont look as good as when they are playing for dublin for some reason .... i think people over exaggerate how good the club scene is up here imo. Corofin probably streets ahead again. dc84, I think you missed the point, we were saying the step up from kerry connty championship to inter county football is massive. The reference to Johnny cooper is in relation to playing with Dublin & not Club football with Na fianna. I could have just said philly Mc Mahon. Looking at the tg4 highlights, for a team with so many inter county panelist’s dingle were shocking. The Crokes must be kicking themselves but fair play to O Rahillys for not throwing in the towel.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 11, 2018 18:13:42 GMT
In fairness if you best johnny cooper and your playing na fianna you dont have anyone remotely near his standard on that team.go to a fair few club games up here outside of the top 3 or four clubs the standard isnt all that. They are all however very fit. Also a lot of the ic players up here dont look as good as when they are playing for dublin for some reason .... i think people over exaggerate how good the club scene is up here imo. Corofin probably streets ahead again. dc84, I think you missed the point, we were saying the step up from kerry connty championship to inter county football is massive. The reference to Johnny cooper is in relation to playing with Dublin & not Club football with Na fianna. I could have just said philly Mc Mahon. Looking at the tg4 highlights, for a team with so many inter county panelist’s dingle were shocking. The Crokes must be kicking themselves but fair play to O Rahillys for not throwing in the towel. Ah i get the point alright, i havent gone to too many county championship games in kerry with a few years so couldnt really comment on the standard tbh compared to others on here i was just making the point that its the same up in Dublin with the exception of the top few teams
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Post by piggott on Sept 11, 2018 19:08:35 GMT
Minor Championship winning backs 2014 Brian O Beaglaoich, Dan O'Donoghue, Cormac Coffey; Brian Sugrue, Andrew Barry, Tom O'Sullivan 2015 Darren Brosnan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Jack Morgan, Andrew Barry, Gavin White
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 12, 2018 10:08:52 GMT
It does seem really absurd that Gaeltacht have to travel to Killarney to play Crokes. Is there meant to be home advantage for the teams that won in Round 1 or something? Not to my knowledge. The Co. Board are clueless at times at promoting the Co. Championship.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 12, 2018 16:00:54 GMT
Minor Championship winning backs 2014 Brian O Beaglaoich, Dan O'Donoghue, Cormac Coffey; Brian Sugrue, Andrew Barry, Tom O'Sullivan 2015 Darren Brosnan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Jack Morgan, Andrew Barry, Gavin White And probably of more relevance u21/20 Munster Champions 2017 - Tom Leo O Sullivan, Jason Foley*, Brian Sugrue, Brian O Beaglaoich*, Tom Sullivan, Gavin White*, (Andrew Barry* Mid Field) 2018 - David Naughten, Stefan Okunbar, Micheal Reidy, Mike Breen, Graham O Sullivan, Daniel O Brien 4 of the classof 2017 have stepped up and played senior already to various degrees of success - next Q is how many of the 2018 class will get league time to begin with in 2019. Are there any other "late maturing" backs who could step up?
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Post by dc84 on Sept 12, 2018 16:46:27 GMT
Minor Championship winning backs 2014 Brian O Beaglaoich, Dan O'Donoghue, Cormac Coffey; Brian Sugrue, Andrew Barry, Tom O'Sullivan 2015 Darren Brosnan, Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan; Jack Morgan, Andrew Barry, Gavin White And probably of more relevance u21/20 Munster Champions 2017 - Tom Leo O Sullivan, Jason Foley*, Brian Sugrue, Brian O Beaglaoich*, Tom Sullivan, Gavin White*, (Andrew Barry* Mid Field) 2018 - David Naughten, Stefan Okunbar, Micheal Reidy, Mike Breen, Graham O Sullivan, Daniel O Brien 4 of the classof 2017 have stepped up and played senior already to various degrees of success - next Q is how many of the 2018 class will get league time to begin with in 2019. Are there any other "late maturing" backs who could step up? 4 is quite a big number in fairness from one u21 team considering out of a panel there might be ten defenders? I would have 3 of those in my starting 6 anyway if we get one or two from this year and the boys above and shanahan improve with maybe someone like gavin crowley more involved we should be in better shape next year
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Post by Fado on Sept 12, 2018 19:24:20 GMT
Maybe get back on the subject...
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Post by piggott on Sept 12, 2018 19:28:35 GMT
Defenders on Team of the Round in Kerryman:sean T dillon (Feale Rangers) Pat Corridon ( Feale Rangers) Colm O Muircheartaigh (An Gaeltacht) Marc O Se ( An Gaeltacht) Graham O Sullivan ( South Kerry) Jack Sherwood ( East Kerry). Graham only one from the quoted lists. Jack "thrown in" in 2013 semi, maybe time to give him another chance. Pity we didn't have chance to see more of Gavin Crowley.
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Post by diego on Sept 12, 2018 19:36:48 GMT
It does seem really absurd that Gaeltacht have to travel to Killarney to play Crokes. Is there meant to be home advantage for the teams that won in Round 1 or something? Not to my knowledge. The Co. Board are clueless at times at promoting the Co. Championship. Seems a crazy choice of venue. Was sure it would be in Tralee with the Dingle game. Did Gavin White and Tony Brosnan feature at the weekend? Saw their names well down the list of subs, so presume they're injured?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 12, 2018 19:43:34 GMT
Defenders on Team of the Round in Kerryman:sean T dillon (Feale Rangers) Pat Corridon ( Feale Rangers) Colm O Muircheartaigh (An Gaeltacht) Marc O Se ( An Gaeltacht) Graham O Sullivan ( South Kerry) Jack Sherwood ( East Kerry). Graham only one from the quoted lists. Jack "thrown in" in 2013 semi, maybe time to give him another chance. Pity we didn't have chance to see more of Gavin Crowley. Throw up the whole team there for us exiles
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 12, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
Not to my knowledge. The Co. Board are clueless at times at promoting the Co. Championship. Seems a crazy choice of venue. Was sure it would be in Tralee with the Dingle game. Did Gavin White and Tony Brosnan feature at the weekend? Saw their names well down the list of subs, so presume they're injured? Gavin White was injured at the latter end of Kerry/Kildare - he came on after about 10 mins into the 2nd half last Sunday but did not really feature; Tony Brosnan broke his wrist during the summer and is only returning to action now.
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Post by piggott on Sept 12, 2018 20:40:55 GMT
Defenders on Team of the Round in Kerryman:sean T dillon (Feale Rangers) Pat Corridon ( Feale Rangers) Colm O Muircheartaigh (An Gaeltacht) Marc O Se ( An Gaeltacht) Graham O Sullivan ( South Kerry) Jack Sherwood ( East Kerry). Graham only one from the quoted lists. Jack "thrown in" in 2013 semi, maybe time to give him another chance. Pity we didn't have chance to see more of Gavin Crowley. Throw up the whole team there for us exiles Sean Og O Ciardubháin (St Kierans) Sean T dillon (Feale Rangers) Pat Corridon ( Feale Rangers) Colm O Muircheartaigh (An Gaeltacht) Marc O Se ( An Gaeltacht) Graham O Sullivan ( South Kerry) Jack Sherwood ( East Kerry) Bryan Sheehan (South Kerry) Donal O'Sullivan (Rathmore) David O'Callaghan (St Brendan's) Dara Roche (East Kerry) Greg Horan (Austin Stacks) James O'Donoghue (Legion), Paul Geaney (Dingle) David Clifford (east Kerry)
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 12, 2018 20:52:21 GMT
No Kerins o rahillys player? And they after beating the champions & favourites!
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Post by piggott on Sept 12, 2018 21:00:09 GMT
Tommy Walsh should definitely have been on it. Barry John as well. Maybe like a lot of the crowd they were gone for the last 15.
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Post by diego on Sept 12, 2018 22:47:32 GMT
South Kerry will be kicking themselves this morning. Totally dominated the second half, Stacks didnt score a single point in the half but South Kerry conceded 3 goals whilst butchering a few goal chances of their own. 2 great chances Niall O'Shea had especially, and he's the man you'd want getting the chances normally like he did against Kenmare when he took his goal so well. Extra round might not do South Kerry any harm though. Selectors seem to be still trying to settle on their best team. Can see why Mark Griffin was played at full back on Sunday given KD was in full forward for Stacks, but I wonder for Rathmore will they look at relocating him. As often is the case at county level, his best work was seen in possession carrying the ball past several Stacks players at a time! Great man to burst through the heavy traffic and get the game moving in to the opposition half. Could see Fionan Clifford start in the full back line, get Griffin to midfield and maybe put Denis Daly in to the half forward line. Robert Wharton could be close to a start as well. Forward line struggled to click in last 2 games. Bryan Sheehan still playing great stuff from around the midfield/half forward area, but he's going to need a lot more help from those playing closer to goal if they want to go much further. By the way I've got to say Kenmare must be the most unluckly team in the championship this year. Very unfortunate with the draws to get South Kerry away, and then one of the better teams in the losers round Rathmore away from home again. Outplayed South Kerry for long spells in Cahersiveen in the opening round. Pushed Rathmore all the way too but always going to be tough to get a win there.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 13, 2018 9:11:22 GMT
South Kerry will be kicking themselves this morning. Totally dominated the second half, Stacks didnt score a single point in the half but South Kerry conceded 3 goals whilst butchering a few goal chances of their own. 2 great chances Niall O'Shea had especially, and he's the man you'd want getting the chances normally like he did against Kenmare when he took his goal so well. Extra round might not do South Kerry any harm though. Selectors seem to be still trying to settle on their best team. Can see why Mark Griffin was played at full back on Sunday given KD was in full forward for Stacks, but I wonder for Rathmore will they look at relocating him. As often is the case at county level, his best work was seen in possession carrying the ball past several Stacks players at a time! Great man to burst through the heavy traffic and get the game moving in to the opposition half. Could see Fionan Clifford start in the full back line, get Griffin to midfield and maybe put Denis Daly in to the half forward line. Robert Wharton could be close to a start as well. Forward line struggled to click in last 2 games. Bryan Sheehan still playing great stuff from around the midfield/half forward area, but he's going to need a lot more help from those playing closer to goal if they want to go much further. By the way I've got to say Kenmare must be the most unluckly team in the championship this year. Very unfortunate with the draws to get South Kerry away, and then one of the better teams in the losers round Rathmore away from home again. Outplayed South Kerry for long spells in Cahersiveen in the opening round. Pushed Rathmore all the way too but always going to be tough to get a win there. If Kenmare get relegated id put a few pound on Kenmare District next year last time they were in there made the final have o shea now aswell. Also didnt play well in that final as templnoe and kenmare were in intermediate final week after
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2018 9:48:53 GMT
No Kerins o rahillys player? And they after beating the champions & favourites! I wouldnt get hung up on it. Some of the reporters for the Kerryman wouldnt know an O'Neills if it hit them in the face. Which it probably would cos they wouldnt be able to catch it.
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Post by piggott on Sept 13, 2018 10:15:04 GMT
Who will be 4 winners this weekend? Id go for South Kerry, Dr Crokes, Mid Kerry, and St Kierans.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2018 10:24:10 GMT
2 great chances Niall O'Shea had especially, and he's the man you'd want getting the chances normally like he did against Kenmare when he took his goal so well. Extra round might not do South Kerry any harm though. Selectors seem to be still trying to settle on their best team. Can see why Mark Griffin was played at full back on Sunday given KD was in full forward for Stacks, but I wonder for Rathmore will they look at relocating him. As often is the case at county level, his best work was seen in possession carrying the ball past several Stacks players at a time! Great man to burst through the heavy traffic and get the game moving in to the opposition half. Could see Fionan Clifford start in the full back line, get Griffin to midfield and maybe put Denis Daly in to the half forward line. Robert Wharton could be close to a start as well. Forward line struggled to click in last 2 games. Bryan Sheehan still playing great stuff from around the midfield/half forward area, but he's going to need a lot more help from those playing closer to goal if they want to go much further. By the way I've got to say Kenmare must be the most unluckly team in the championship this year. Very unfortunate with the draws to get South Kerry away, and then one of the better teams in the losers round Rathmore away from home again. Outplayed South Kerry for long spells in Cahersiveen in the opening round. Pushed Rathmore all the way too but always going to be tough to get a win there. If Kenmare get relegated id put a few pound on Kenmare District next year last time they were in there made the final have o shea now aswell. Also didnt play well in that final as templnoe and kenmare were in intermediate final week after Kenmare didn't want to go senior the year before last, they obviously felt they were not ready for the senior grade.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2018 10:35:13 GMT
Who will be 4 winners this weekend? Id go for South Kerry, Dr Crokes, Mid Kerry, and St Kierans. I'd go for South Kerry just about against Rathmore. Crokes will surely bounce back and Gaeltacht could well be in for a bit of a hiding. Mid Kerry and Brendans is 50/50. Its Brendans 4th game so that might shade it for them. Dingle to beat Kierans.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 13, 2018 10:49:44 GMT
If Kenmare get relegated id put a few pound on Kenmare District next year last time they were in there made the final have o shea now aswell. Also didnt play well in that final as templnoe and kenmare were in intermediate final week after Kenmare didn't want to go senior the year before last, they obviously felt they were not ready for the senior grade. You would think that they wouldve had a decent chance last two years with the district for a county. Similar to west kerry tough without gealtacht and dingle to put a team together.
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