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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 17, 2018 21:32:31 GMT
We could be inflicted with David Gough and if that was the case we start planning the reduced breaks from Ryanair from Sunday on. Just saw that Colm O Neill of Cork has retired from inter County football, what a fabulous player he is and he was denied his true seat in the place of champions due to repeated injury injury but to be honest his ability to compete after his repeated setbacks deserves a huge salute from the greater GAA community. Best wishes to him in his future life
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Post by john4 on Jul 17, 2018 21:32:46 GMT
There's half a match in Donaghy alright but never midfield. The milage at the required pace just isn't in him anymore. Big square or nowhere
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:35:52 GMT
My info tells me there'll be an immediate change of management for Kildare game if we are to lose Sunday Who is taking over, Danny Healy-Rae?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:37:53 GMT
I would suggest a 5 man panel of senior members of this forum. What could go wrong?
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Post by Fado on Jul 17, 2018 21:39:47 GMT
Based on form and what I've seen this year, I think there should be a place for Tony Brosnan in the forwards. Does anyone know if he is in the greater squad?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 17, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
I would suggest a 5 man panel of senior members of this forum. What could go wrong? As long as Flemish Gael is the runner, I'll support that decision.
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Post by veteran on Jul 17, 2018 21:49:27 GMT
I did not expect to win the All-Ireland this year. After the Mayo debacle of last year my wish was to go predominantly with youth which has been the case. In spite of last Sunday's dog's dinner I still fervently want to go predominantly with the youth at the risk of taking a hiding . Let them taste once more what uncompromising senior football is like . It will stand them in good stead next year. Let management give them a game plan that is appropriate for their skill sets. A game plan not unlike what was used in the Munster championship, even allowing for the weaker opposition they encountered there.
Of course this ambition may be impacted on by injuries . I hope Jason will be ready. Ditto Tadgh Morley. Consider Tom O'Sullivan, a hardy , confident lad. Brian O'Beaglaigh was replaced by the time the backs came to the Canal End. There fore I did not get a good look at him as I was located at that end. Did he concede many scores.? Was he any worse than more experienced defenders? I presume Ronan Shanahan is not the right flavour for summertime. At this stage of his career, fit or not, I would be doubtful about Shane Enright.
Jack Barry was poor enough but in my view Anthony Maner was poorer still.
Some people are suggesting replacing Kevin McCarthy . I felt he did reasonably well. Worked hard , scored a point and nearly a goal from Paul's cross.
I would not agree with starting KD. Monaghan will be well ready for him. Bring him on with about twenty minutes to go, sooner if we are as toothless as last Sunday.
JOD? Not sure any more . Since those shoulder problems I feel he has lost his appetite. If he is to start get him into the left corner. Starting him in the right corner reduces him to having to pull up as he approaches the line and retrace his footsteps , by which time he is smothered , because he is essentially a left footed player. DC will function at any address.
In summary, injuries permitting , deviate as little as possible from last Sunday, give them the road map used in Munster and be a bit more proactive on the sideline . At the very worst , these young lads are guaranteed another game and come 2019 we will give cheek to most folk.
Please God, give is one more dry day.
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Post by smalltalk on Jul 17, 2018 21:54:16 GMT
No fear of drones In Farranfore aren’t the team still training in Killarney... it will b tough game Sunday could go either way a good start is needed get the heads and confidence settled and put Monaghan on the back foot from the off... only worry is will this young team get pushed over too easy .... hopefully not!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 22:00:14 GMT
It is not that long ago since Fermanagh beat Monaghan in the championship................................
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Post by john4 on Jul 17, 2018 22:24:22 GMT
Monaghan's greatest failing in the recent past has been the inconsistency of their performances. They beat Dublin in the league and end up being beat by Fermanagh. (And we think we issues in regards to consistently) This would lead you to think that they are a team of good footballers but a little bit flakey and lacking in self confidence. It's important for us to have a very positive mindset going into this one, a good start is vital as this hopefully will get them to look around at each other with doubt in their eyes.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 18, 2018 0:03:30 GMT
My info tells me there'll be an immediate change of management for Kildare game if we are to lose Sunday Not a hope. Not the kerry style to be honest. Maybe in the close season. Who was the last kerry manager to go before the end of his term? I think it was a yearly thing up until mickey ned, and long term deals only came en vogue in the 90's?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 6:56:54 GMT
So Jack Barry has one bad game and already it's suggested he's dropped. If Jack Barry is the future, then Jack Barry needs to play. All the younger players should be play against Monaghan. They will have gained a huge amount from last weekend even though they lost. The white heat of Clones is a huge opportunity to advance their development. If we lose, so be it. At least they will have gained real championship experience that no amount of training sessions, video analysis, gps tracking blah blah blah could equal. Build for the future, if it means sacrificing the present then so be it.
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Post by john4 on Jul 18, 2018 7:32:37 GMT
So Jack Barry has one bad game and already it's suggested he's dropped. If Jack Barry is the future, then Jack Barry needs to play. All the younger players should be play against Monaghan. They will have gained a huge amount from last weekend even though they lost. The white heat of Clones is a huge opportunity to advance their development. If we lose, so be it. At least they will have gained real championship experience that no amount of training sessions, video analysis, gps tracking blah blah blah could equal. Build for the future, if it means sacrificing the present then so be it. Correct, last week we learned a bit about what these guys are like as footballers, but next week we'll learn a bit about their character, I'd be optimistic.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 18, 2018 7:42:35 GMT
Based on form and what I've seen this year, I think there should be a place for Tony Brosnan in the forwards. Does anyone know if he is in the greater squad? Tony Brosnan is a fine player and a good score taker. He is in with the development squad.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jul 18, 2018 7:44:39 GMT
In my view Changes for Sunday should be kept to a minimum as the players need to be given a chance to redeem themselves. They should be given a mandate to play attacking football and if they are suitably motivated, and do that, we can ask for no more.
I seem to recall from the league game that the Monaghan full back line gave Clifford plenty of "treatment" and I would expect them to employ a similar tactic on Sunday. Maybe having Donaghy in from the start might address this.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 18, 2018 8:56:18 GMT
In my view Changes for Sunday should be kept to a minimum as the players need to be given a chance to redeem themselves. They should be given a mandate to play attacking football and if they are suitably motivated, and do that, we can ask for no more. I seem to recall from the league game that the Monaghan full back line gave Clifford plenty of "treatment" and I would expect them to employ a similar tactic on Sunday. Maybe having Donaghy in from the start might address this. I thought Clifford handled himself well that day in Enniskeen. In fairness to Paul Geaney he minded him too. Looks like we will be without Morley & Foley for Sunday. Will be very interesting to see what kind of a defense is selected in their absence.
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Post by glengael on Jul 18, 2018 9:07:31 GMT
I would suggest a 5 man panel of senior members of this forum. What could go wrong? That would be Veteran, Mickmack, Attacking Wing Back, Bridget and AN Other... They will be ratified by the Committeeeee in the Bunker at Farranfore Airport on Sunday night.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 18, 2018 9:11:43 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: Kerry hurting because they lack the men to lead them
David Moran, Paul Geaney and Paul Murphy need to stand up and be counted in Clones
I've seen this movie before. I’ve been in the cast myself. I’ve heard all the lines. When things go wrong in Kerry football, they really go wrong. Nobody shrugs their shoulders and says we’ll get them next year. It causes a tear in the fabric of society down here. And when you’re stuck in the middle of it, I can promise you it’s no fun.
When I started playing for Kerry in the mid-1990s, Páidí Ó Sé was in exactly the same spot as Eamonn Fitzmaurice is now. Kerry were in a bad place and Páidí was the man on the gallows for it. There was a drought where All-Irelands were concerned and nobody expected rain any time soon.
I was only a young player at the time, the same as the likes of David Clifford and Jason Foley and Seán O’Shea and the rest of them are now. I knew that nobody blamed me for the state Kerry were in – they had the knives out for management. But I remember numerous times walking in on conversations that stopped suddenly as soon as people saw me. They knew who I was and who I was related to. I didn’t need to hear them to know what they’d been saying.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice would have had that all week since Sunday. Family walking on eggshells around him, rooms suddenly going quiet when he walks into them. He doesn’t need to be told what the mood is in Kerry – he knows better than anyone. Losing in such a limp way to Galway wasn’t acceptable on any level.
And look, I played with him, I went to college with him, I even lived with him for a while fadó, fadó. I was a selector under him with the Kerry under-21s before he took the senior job. I’ve said it before – if I shot somebody in the morning, Fitzmaurice would be the first call I’d make.
Hurting So there’s no point in me letting on here that I’m completely detached from it all. I’m hurting as much as any Kerry person after Sunday, but I know too much about how it feels to be stuck in the middle of it all to lay the blame for everything at Fitzmaurice’s door. I’m not saying he and the rest of the management are blameless – I just know that when something goes this badly wrong for Kerry, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
The situation is fairly simple and straightforward. They came, they saw, they got battered. Galway gave them a three-point hiding. Sitting here in the middle of the week with the whole county giving them an absolute hosing behind their backs, they have a few days to turn it around. They’re facing the end of the line in Clones. Nothing too complicated about it – they have to stand up or go home.
I know a lot of talk about football these days is based on tactics and set-ups and all the small little ins and outs of the game. And I don’t want to make out that those things aren’t important. They are of course – at a certain level. The most worrying aspect of Sunday is that they didn’t reach a high enough basic level of performance for tactics and set-ups and all the rest of it to matter.
On any given day at the latter stage of the championship, you need 10 or 11 players playing well to win a game. The closer to the final you go, the more of them you need. On Sunday, Kerry had two, maybe three at a push. There isn’t a gameplan in the world that can survive that level of non-performance in an All-Ireland quarter-final.
It comes down to a simple question of leadership. Kerry had no leaders on Sunday. I hear people giving out about our kick-out strategy and I think, ‘Right, fine, yeah, it’s not great all right.’ But then I look at David Moran, the most experienced player in the team, the biggest man, the one the younger lads must be looking to. If he’s not stepping up, calling kick-outs down on himself, going around handing out a bit of punishment to the bigger Galway players, then what does the kick-out strategy matter?
Kick-out routines Go back and watch the Dublin v Donegal game. We all know they have Stephen Cluxton. We all know they have kick-out routines that they’ve worked on and worked on for years at this stage. But they also have Brian Fenton.
For most of the first half, Fenton was getting horsed by Donegal players everywhere he went, bumped and hassled and knocked about the place. Donegal were keeping pace with the Dubs partly because they were knocking one of their main men off his game.
Can this team beat Dublin? Not on this evidence. Can they beat Monaghan? Well, things will have to change pretty quickly But the reason Fenton is one of the best players in the country is more than just his skills and his athleticism and decision-making. It’s that he recognises that he is his team’s vital player in the engine room. If he doesn’t do it, Dublin are in trouble. He can’t go back into the dressing room and say, ‘Sorry lads, they’re belting me at every turn here – ye’ll have to take up the slack.’ It doesn’t work like that.
Fenton just knuckled down, kept looking for the ball, kept pushing on. There was no ducking or diving. He didn’t let it bother him. He just got on with it. He moulded the game to suit him. Not every player has that ability but those who have are duty-bound to make use of it. This is the gig. Did you think it was something different?
Every team is led by the nose by certain players. Who was leading Kerry by the nose on Sunday? That can’t be David Clifford’s job yet. They can’t expect Seán O’Shea or Gavin White to be doing it. Kerry needed it from David Moran, Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Paul Geaney and James O’Donoghue. If they’re all anonymous, then the tactics are irrelevant.
Can this team beat Dublin? Not on this evidence. Can they beat Monaghan? Well, things will have to change pretty quickly. Somewhere along the line this week, they have to remember who they are and what they’re about. Kerry were never afraid of playing Monaghan – now would not be a good time to start.
That probably sounds like arrogance but I don’t mean it that way. What I mean is that any player in a Kerry jersey has responsibilities. The culture of Kerry has made it what it is – the upside of that is the chance to win All-Irelands most years, the downside of it is what they’re experiencing this week. All the backbiting, all the dirty looks, all the pressure. That all goes with the territory.
Responsibilities If you’re a Kerry player this week, you have to embrace that and grow yourself into it. It’s not about being arrogant, it’s about reminding yourself of those responsibilities. The only thing that will win in Clones is standing up and being a man. Kerry had no men in Croke Park.
That was why I couldn’t understand Kieran Donaghy being left on the bench. It was clear from early on in the second half that Kerry needed someone who could make a wet ball stick and someone who could go around and put manners on a few of the Galway fellas. Nobody is saying Donaghy would have won that game on his own but he would surely have changed the direction of the Kerry performance.
That was one fairly glaring error. Another one came earlier in the day when the late replacement for Tadhg Morley was Killian Young. No disrespect to Killian but he was never going to be the answer for that role. You were losing a tough, tigerish defender in Morley and bringing in a more ball-playing one in Killian Young. This wasn’t the day for him.
Who is going to stand up on Sunday, far from home with a small Kerry following in the crowd, and be the leader their team needs? This was a day for men. I know that sounds overly simplistic but trust me, when a situation calls for men and you don’t have them, it becomes complicated very suddenly. There was a situation in the first half when David Clifford went out to collect a ball near the corner and he got knocked over not once but twice before managing to fiddle a 45 out of it.
Clifford is a big lad and he can handle himself but he’s still the youngest player on the team at the back of it all – where was his help? Who was coming in to take his lumps for him? Why is he having to fight those battles? Where were his leaders?
That’s my biggest worry for Kerry. Not the tactical plan, not the kick-outs, not their ability to break down a blanket defence. It’s plain and simple: who is going to stand up on Sunday, far from home with a small Kerry following in the crowd, and be the leader their team needs?
Learning from defeats The reason I worry is that in my experience, that’s not something you can develop in seven days. It takes most players years to do it. Years of learning from defeats, of seeing how the people they most respect react.
I used to make sure that on the nights of Kerry defeats, I never strayed too far from Seamus Moynihan’s side. I wanted to be around him to see how he dealt with it. The more I was, the more I came to realise what real hurt was. Nobody hurt more after a Kerry defeat than Seamus Moynihan. And nobody made more pure and honest promises to himself that whatever happened when we got to that point again, he was going to make sure he did everything in his power not to feel that hurt.
At this point in the week, I can’t say Kerry have that in them. We won’t know until Sunday afternoon Watching from the stands on Sunday, I had to question whether or not that hurt exists in this Kerry panel. Are there enough fellas who have spent the days since it happened promising themselves that when the time comes on Sunday, they are going to be the one who does it?
That’s what the situation needs now. It needs David Moran, Paul Murphy, Paul Geaney and these guys going around saying, ‘Give me the ball, I’ll do it.’ It needs a level of controlled recklessness, lads imposing themselves on Monaghan with lawless abandon but doing it with clear heads at the same time. Take them on physically, make it obvious that Kerry have brought men with them this week.
At this point in the week, I can’t say Kerry have that in them. We won’t know until Sunday afternoon. The reality is that you don’t identify leaders – they show up themselves. At a time of need, you don’t anoint them from the outside. They announce themselves through their own actions and discover for themselves in the heat of battle what they are capable of. If they want to be men, this week is the time to find it out about themselves.
The evidence so far isn’t promising. For that reason alone, I am going to Clones more in hope than expectation.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 18, 2018 9:14:38 GMT
Bit of a difference Daragh, Páidí was just starting out in 1995/1996.
I was only a young pup at the time but am I right in saying the knives weren't out then?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 18, 2018 10:08:14 GMT
"That’s my biggest worry for Kerry. Not the tactical plan, not the kick-outs, not their ability to break down a blanket defence. It’s plain and simple: who is going to stand up on Sunday, far from home with a small Kerry following in the crowd, and be the leader their team needs?"
So Darragh is it a case of roaring and shouting and having fellas pumped to the nines in the dressing room in Clones on Sunday? If Fitzmaurice does that and the players respond then we will win, regardless of how the team set up, what our kick out strategy is etc.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 18, 2018 10:12:23 GMT
In my view Changes for Sunday should be kept to a minimum as the players need to be given a chance to redeem themselves. They should be given a mandate to play attacking football and if they are suitably motivated, and do that, we can ask for no more. I seem to recall from the league game that the Monaghan full back line gave Clifford plenty of "treatment" and I would expect them to employ a similar tactic on Sunday. Maybe having Donaghy in from the start might address this. Insanity is repeating the same thing again and again and expecting different results. The team needs change.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 18, 2018 10:23:08 GMT
When paidi took over we hadnt got out of munster since 91, beating cork was a Huge thing in 96 i will never forget killian burns kicking the last point the gutteral roar from the terrace down by the scoreboard couldve been heard from atop mangerton. Similar trajectories with Fitzmaurice really except paidi won a second ai in 2000 he won 2 AIs in 7 years 01 the knives came out after the meath game stuck in after 02 armagh and driven home after 03 . Similar timeframe now with fitzmaurice.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 18, 2018 10:25:40 GMT
We need to show some Kerry Solidarity here lads and lets end the complaining now as merited as it may have been , We have been granted a huge opportunity this weekend to right the wrongs , The Challenge could not be greater going into Clones the home of Ulster football .Monaghan are one of the best organized teams in the country and the strongest physically they play a very simple game and rarely change from that . They will almost never kick long or kick ahead they only go short and diagonal .Lets not play obsessively defensive here remember Fermanagh only kicked one long ball in 75 minutes and it resulted in a goal. We can beat them in a shootout but more difficult in a slugfest.
Ive been reading here much criticism of JOD s performance V Galway which i find baffling . The game I was watching showed me that JOD was our hardest working back and I say back because we played him so deep much to the delight of the Galway defenders !! His Shooting was a little off but his sharp running and workrate was back to close to his best .Id keep him up top where he should be and hed trouble any defense in the country .
Lets back our team our management and our County we ve been in tough spots before roll on Clones !!!
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jul 18, 2018 10:31:36 GMT
In my view Changes for Sunday should be kept to a minimum as the players need to be given a chance to redeem themselves. They should be given a mandate to play attacking football and if they are suitably motivated, and do that, we can ask for no more. I seem to recall from the league game that the Monaghan full back line gave Clifford plenty of "treatment" and I would expect them to employ a similar tactic on Sunday. Maybe having Donaghy in from the start might address this. Insanity is repeating the same thing again and again and expecting different results. The team needs change. The insanity here was reverting to a defensive style of play last Sunday after two outings where we played attacking football. The players haven't become duds overnight.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 18, 2018 10:37:27 GMT
When paidi took over we hadnt got out of munster since 91, beating cork was a Huge thing in 96 i will never forget killian burns kicking the last point the gutteral roar from the terrace down by the scoreboard couldve been heard from atop mangerton. Similar trajectories with Fitzmaurice really except paidi won a second ai in 2000 he won 2 AIs in 7 years 01 the knives came out after the meath game stuck in after 02 armagh and driven home after 03 . Similar timeframe now with fitzmaurice. Yes I remember great optimism when Paidi took over in later 95. I as only about 12 at the time but, i remember a great buzz in the county especially with the U21's doing so well. If anyone has any clips of the 96 match in Cork it would be great to watch back. There was no great fallout in 96 even when we lost to Mayo as we had beat cork in Munster. Remember being on the terrace for the league final in 97 in cork which was filled with young lads singing football's coming home. I think he was spared the ructions in 98 as we had lost to Micko but, was pilloried in 99 for the abject performance against cork. Especially as the erstwhile Sean Counihan let it be known Paidi took McGearailt who had scored two goals in the first half off without consulting the selectors. Had a good win in 2000 but we were a shambles against meath, and totally naive against Armagh in 2002 when the game ratcheted up in the second half. The fallout in 2002 was worse than 2001 and was the first time he was under real pressure. The abject performance against Tyrone in 2003 along with the whole animals comment the previous winter had sealed his fate. I think our more recent managers have had it a lot tougher than Paidi had it from both the media and the public.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 18, 2018 10:50:34 GMT
When paidi took over we hadnt got out of munster since 91, beating cork was a Huge thing in 96 i will never forget killian burns kicking the last point the gutteral roar from the terrace down by the scoreboard couldve been heard from atop mangerton. Similar trajectories with Fitzmaurice really except paidi won a second ai in 2000 he won 2 AIs in 7 years 01 the knives came out after the meath game stuck in after 02 armagh and driven home after 03 . Similar timeframe now with fitzmaurice. Yes I remember great optimism when Paidi took over in later 95. I as only about 12 at the time but, i remember a great buzz in the county especially with the U21's doing so well. If anyone has any clips of the 96 match in Cork it would be great to watch back. There was no great fallout in 96 even when we lost to Mayo as we had beat cork in Munster. Remember being on the terrace for the league final in 97 in cork which was filled with young lads singing football's coming home. I think he was spared the ructions in 98 as we had lost to Micko but, was pilloried in 99 for the abject performance against cork. Especially as the erstwhile Sean Counihan let it be known Paidi took McGearailt who had scored two goals in the first half off without consulting the selectors. Had a good win in 2000 but we were a shambles against meath, and totally naive against Armagh in 2002 when the game ratcheted up in the second half. The fallout in 2002 was worse than 2001 and was the first time he was under real pressure. The abject performance against Tyrone in 2003 along with the whole animals comment the previous winter had sealed his fate. I think our more recent managers have had it a lot tougher than Paidi had it from both the media and the public. That was actually 96. The year of the Euros in England. A great day. Some lad from Tralee made the mistake of putting on a red coat when it started raining and it was taken off him and eventually ended up being thrown over the fence! Clare beat Cork in 97 and we beat Clare in the Munster Final. Footballs Coming Home got a good airing on the Canal when we beat Mayo in the final.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 18, 2018 11:29:30 GMT
"That’s my biggest worry for Kerry. Not the tactical plan, not the kick-outs, not their ability to break down a blanket defence. It’s plain and simple: who is going to stand up on Sunday, far from home with a small Kerry following in the crowd, and be the leader their team needs?" So Darragh is it a case of roaring and shouting and having fellas pumped to the nines in the dressing room in Clones on Sunday? If Fitzmaurice does that and the players respond then we will win, regardless of how the team set up, what our kick out strategy is etc. Come on now let's not be taking things out of context. Of course you must have tactics but it’s worth nothing without leadership and guts on the field. You'll implement nothing if you can't stand up for yourself or your teammates and that’s the point that Darragh was making not that tactics or a kick out strategy don't matter because of course they do. Moreover, Darragh was making the point that some of our senior players did not lead. JOD is playing like a player who no longer has the stomach for the battle. Those big looping runs aren't fooling anyone. Is he too afraid to get hurt or injured again? Is he afraid of been taken off? Where's the cheeky I'll run straight through you player of 13/14 gone? David Moran is an absolute gentleman but he needs to be horsing back on the field and putting others in the hurt locker not just be on receiving end. Paul Geaney needs to lead our line not be running around or halfback or fullback line. Paul Murphy cannot be anonymous and leadership is now needed from him. Who was ripping the head off Stephen O'Brien for the absolutely donkey pass that led to the Galway goal? You can be damn sure if we had a character like Seamus Moynihan around the place he would letting him know that is unacceptable. These players have the talent but do they have the guts to play without fear? Who will be our leaders in Clones, a 19 year old? Talk is cheap and we'll see now on Sunday and it's not a question of talent for me with those guys.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 18, 2018 11:35:51 GMT
When paidi took over we hadnt got out of munster since 91, beating cork was a Huge thing in 96 i will never forget killian burns kicking the last point the gutteral roar from the terrace down by the scoreboard couldve been heard from atop mangerton. Similar trajectories with Fitzmaurice really except paidi won a second ai in 2000 he won 2 AIs in 7 years 01 the knives came out after the meath game stuck in after 02 armagh and driven home after 03 . Similar timeframe now with fitzmaurice. Yes I remember great optimism when Paidi took over in later 95. I as only about 12 at the time but, i remember a great buzz in the county especially with the U21's doing so well. If anyone has any clips of the 96 match in Cork it would be great to watch back. There was no great fallout in 96 even when we lost to Mayo as we had beat cork in Munster. Remember being on the terrace for the league final in 97 in cork which was filled with young lads singing football's coming home. I think he was spared the ructions in 98 as we had lost to Micko but, was pilloried in 99 for the abject performance against cork. Especially as the erstwhile Sean Counihan let it be known Paidi took McGearailt who had scored two goals in the first half off without consulting the selectors. Had a good win in 2000 but we were a shambles against meath, and totally naive against Armagh in 2002 when the game ratcheted up in the second half. The fallout in 2002 was worse than 2001 and was the first time he was under real pressure. The abject performance against Tyrone in 2003 along with the whole animals comment the previous winter had sealed his fate. I think our more recent managers have had it a lot tougher than Paidi had it from both the media and the public. I suppose its all relative if Paidi had taken over in 92/3 it wouldve been different also no social media etc. Yeah i was about the same age thats one thing i notice at Kerry games the age profile of supports is a lot older or families had some great days going on buses/ train to cork, limerick, croke park and of course 01 and 02 in thurles back when we werent dragged to croke park for everygame
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 18, 2018 11:41:28 GMT
I think it comes back to the hot housing of players in Killarney / currans to be honest.
They have their set plays, scenario based games, conditioned in house challenge matches. Every one probably knows what the fella they are marking is going to do. There is probably no dissenting voices. No headcase of a midfielder going out to burst some fella.
Darragh freely admits bursting Morans lip in one of his first years in with the seniors to let him know he wouldnt give up his place lightly. Is there any Breen, Flaherty inside there that sets the tone? Jack O'Connor mentions in his book about Guiney & Galvin beating the sh*t out of each other in training in the run up to a final.
Sean O'Shea has played a few club games and county championship games in Kerry,Even when he was a minor. Clifford will be another. He has to do all his learning's at intercounty level as he sees such little club football.
Lets call a spade a spade.In the county championship especially the Kerry players are 'minded' by the refs. If he was exposed to more club football in Kerry i think it would do him the world of good. You would have young lads coming up against grizzled corner backs more interested in pucking and hitting off the ball than anything else. It made players streetwise.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 18, 2018 11:59:06 GMT
That is one of Darragh's better articles. I agree with a lot of what he says. Some fellas must stand up and be counted on Sunday.
Leadership and blowing a gasket in the dressing are 2 completely different things.
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