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Post by joesouth on Jul 5, 2018 14:29:08 GMT
Paul Murphy is our best player most days. What are you on about? Not his fault if he is put on lads he isnt a good physical match up to. Be like asking Peter Crowley mark Shane Walsh he just wouldnt have the pace
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Post by joesouth on Jul 5, 2018 14:30:37 GMT
Player mismatches happen in all football games up and down the county and country. They get sorted by the sideline and often by the players themselves. Players and management force the match-ups and when possible exploit them. The scenario you give of Crowley and Walsh would never be a match up decided by the Kerry Management or the Kerry players during the game. It is a scenario Galway would like but it would not happen for a full game but it would and will happen once or twice in a game.
When a player finds himself in this scenario he has a responsibility to deal with it to the best of his abilities. In your scenario Crowley would know that Walsh will try and take him on and go past him. Knowing Walsh is strong on both feet. Crowley has to keep an angled distance from Walsh keeping his own body goal side. He has to have Walsh make that move to go past and then tackle on the solo or hop or as he runs by enough to make contact or enough time for another player to come in and tackle.
Yes! Paul Murphy in general is one of the better performers day in day out. I did speak specifically to the duties of defending. His has many positives. However he does have a duty to work on his weak areas.
The test for Kerry is Galway in the Quarters, Donegal Or Tyrone in the semi and Dublin in the final (That is me placing Kerry as the winners of their group) When we play those teams and in particular Dublin it won’t be one way traffic and Kerry running up a hurling score. To win these games we will have to defend when needed. If Kerry management has learnt anything from the Mayo game of 2017 they will know they need a defensive strategy. Kerry needs a strategy where the backs work as a team supplemented by the half forwards. The primary duty of the backs - that of defending and tackling needs to result in the opposition forward thinking twice about coming down the same road again.
From the cork game, I saw the Kerry half forwards defending and dispossessing players, particularly Sean O’ Shea and Kevin McCarthy. In the defense Morley held the center very well and won / broke 40 – 60 loose balls. B Ó Beaglaoich and Jason Foley defended smartly from what I observed. All corks attacks that caused danger on the score board came down the Foley, Murphy and Burns line /axis. Murphy to the casual eye looked good against cork – picking up loose ball that broke in defense, being available for the kick out, taking a one –two pass, taking a score And so on.
Good job and all that. But for the first goal Murphy was caught wrong side of the forward Ruairí Deane (regardless of physical attributes) also he jumped with two hands. Murphy in that position if not goal side has to break the ball. Basic rules not adhered to. In fact if in doubt break it even when goal side, break it to towards the sideline.
On or around the 30th minute of the first half Luke Connolly receives the ball on the side line he cuts in and runs along the end line and put in a hand pass for a point that comes back in to play. In this play Murphy does zero in the skill of defending. You tackle or you Sheppard the man with the ball towards the sideline / end line by getting close to him and / or force him to turn back to give a pass as you get back-up from your own players. Basics. Basics. None of these were attempted.
I put the full back Peter Crowley in the same bracket of needing to wise up when defending. He has no business as a full back around the middle of the field (unless on the attack when we are in possession) trying to field or break the ball. At one time in the play for the second goal Crowley makes a tackle in the midfield area and is left on the ground from the contact. This is when cork moves the ball down the same side as the first goal. This was a goal you could see happening before you. The management needs to sort it out and the senior Kerry defenders need to take responsibility. Why wouldn’t a forward or back or a manger not observe what I did and go down the same road as Ruairí Dean or Luke Connolly. Ciaran Kilkenny Paul Mannion and Jack McCaffrey will not take the road less traveled. And that - unless we learn the basics of individual defending and team defending on the training ground and then have the verve to do it on game day - will make all the difference between winning the Sam Maguire or not this year.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 5, 2018 16:06:06 GMT
I get your point, on one of the goals i think the second one morley didnt cover across fast enough he looked like he was indecisive. On the burns murphy foley thing i agree defensively it is the weakest side mccarthy will id imagine start v galway which should improve things. Id like to see a situation similar to how Donegal use mchugh where murphy and mccarthy switch positions as is apporiate. Like when we had Tomas and Galvin they dovetailed very well
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Post by buck02 on Jul 6, 2018 20:21:34 GMT
If Kildare win tomorrow (and even if they dont) then I imagine the schedule for the 15th will be:
12 noon Kerry v Kildare (U20) 2pm. Kildare v Monaghan 4pm. Kerry v Galway
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Post by southward on Jul 7, 2018 17:37:21 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 7, 2018 17:57:00 GMT
If Kildare win tomorrow (and even if they dont) then I imagine the schedule for the 15th will be: 12 noon Kerry v Kildare (U20) 2pm. Kildare v Monaghan 4pm. Kerry v Galway A fair old feast of football, pity it clashes with the WC final.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 18:15:03 GMT
Croke park will be virtually empty if England are playing next Sunday.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 7, 2018 18:17:31 GMT
More than likely alright. Dunphy tipping them big time to come through.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 7, 2018 21:27:57 GMT
Are we Kerry or are we Dubin? What an insult to our players if we put off plans to travel because of the World Cup Final clash whoever is playing. Ok if you didn't plan to go anyway for financial or other good reasons. But not to go just because of that?
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Post by southward on Jul 7, 2018 23:08:28 GMT
I wouldn't miss two cats fighting to watch England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 7:26:09 GMT
Are we Kerry or are we Dubin? What an insult to our players if we put off plans to travel because of the World Cup Final clash whoever is playing. Ok if you didn't plan to go anyway for financial or other good reasons. But not to go just because of that? I just knew there would be a response like this. The World Cup is the biggest sporting event in the world. Our nearest neighbours could be playing in it so yes the attendance will be impacted and some Kerry people won't go to Croke park. If you can't understand that, well I don't know. We all know you are a great supporter as you do like remind us every so often about the distances you travel.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 8, 2018 7:37:14 GMT
I wouldn't miss two cats fighting to watch England. Did you mean the lions?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 8, 2018 7:49:32 GMT
Are we Kerry or are we Dubin? What an insult to our players if we put off plans to travel because of the World Cup Final clash whoever is playing. Ok if you didn't plan to go anyway for financial or other good reasons. But not to go just because of that? I just knew there would be a response like this. The World Cup is the biggest sporting event in the world. Our nearest neighbours could be playing in it so yes the attendance will be impacted and some Kerry people won't go to Croke park. If you can't understand that, well I don't know. We all know you are a great supporter as you do like remind us every so often about the distances you travel. Four weekends hopefully on the bounce, two of them in Croker and one to Monaghan something will potentially give. The WC cup final especially if England come through will be attractive for people to watch on the box.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 8, 2018 7:53:23 GMT
Are we Kerry or are we Dubin? What an insult to our players if we put off plans to travel because of the World Cup Final clash whoever is playing. Ok if you didn't plan to go anyway for financial or other good reasons. But not to go just because of that? I just knew there would be a response like this. The World Cup is the biggest sporting event in the world. Our nearest neighbours could be playing in it so yes the attendance will be impacted and some Kerry people won't go to Croke park. If you can't understand that, well I don't know. We all know you are a great supporter as you do like remind us every so often about the distances you travel. If you bothered to read my post properly you would have understood that my remarks concerned people who were planning to go to the match but won't now simply because of the world cup clash. My own naievity was not to recognise that your own post was deliberately provocative (and also probably fishing for an anti-English response which I would never have given). Your personalisation of your response is deeply shameful. Of course I know how big the Wotld Cup is and I wish all the remaining countries including our nearest neighbour well ( maybe not France - I still haven't got over the hand of Henry). My travel is totally irrelevant. In this instance everyone in Kerry is further away than I am. I suppose I should be flattered to be noticed by an all star member!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 8:22:09 GMT
I did read your post and read it exactly as you meant it so thanks for confirming.
As for being noticed, well you can work that out for yourself.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 8, 2018 9:32:44 GMT
If Kildare win tomorrow (and even if they dont) then I imagine the schedule for the 15th will be: 12 noon Kerry v Kildare (U20) 2pm. Kildare v Monaghan 4pm. Kerry v Galway Common sense would be to play Kerry/Galway at 2 as both sides have longer journeys home than Kildare/Monaghan.
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Post by Fado on Jul 8, 2018 9:40:41 GMT
Common sense is out of stock, we should check back in the distant future.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 8, 2018 10:45:08 GMT
This World Cup has been very entertaining, very well organised and the video ref yoke has usually ensured that the right decisions are ultimately made.
Soccer is one of the few things that unites and captivates the world and it is truly is the world game. The world cup final is a huge thing.
If England are in it, it will take on extra significance.
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Post by glengael on Jul 8, 2018 10:45:09 GMT
I presume the time zone determines the 4pm kick off in Russia. I seem to remember the 2006 Final, the most recent one to be played in Europe was played in the evening?
I will be sorry to miss watching it on TV regardless of who is playing in it. But I will go to see Kerry playing in preference to it any day, most especially as I had to miss the Cork game due to work.
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Post by stevieq on Jul 8, 2018 19:20:00 GMT
Due to other commitments, I've 3 tickets available for the Galway Game. 2 Adults and 1 Juvenile. Free to a good home. PM me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 10:19:37 GMT
Any changes expected for Galway game, McCarthy in for Burns maybe?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 10, 2018 10:30:47 GMT
All that really interests me is who is on the panel. EF will surely try to keep a few younger guys in reserve to finish strongly so who actually starts may not be EFs strongest 15. McCarthy is surely in his strongest 15.
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Post by mandad on Jul 10, 2018 14:33:45 GMT
I would not expect that there will be any changes to the starting 15 or subs against Galway. I have heard some suggestions that Kevin McCarthy should start and while I have great time for Kevin, and no doubt that he wouldn't weaken the side, I expect Micheál Burns to start this game again.
He has played well right through the League and although not at his best against Cork, he has a lot to offer and is good enough to establish himself permanently on the half-forward line. We are lucky to have both at this time and Kevin will get his game time too.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 10, 2018 15:51:35 GMT
I would not expect that there will be any changes to the starting 15 or subs against Galway. I have heard some suggestions that Kevin McCarthy should start and while I have great time for Kevin, and no doubt that he wouldn't weaken the side, I expect Micheál Burns to start this game again. He has played well right through the League and although not at his best against Cork, he has a lot to offer and is good enough to establish himself permanently on the half-forward line. We are lucky to have both at this time and Kevin will get his game time too. Agree 100% re M Burns, he is bringing huge energy to that position. I expect him to cement that position in due course. He probably has the potential to be another PG at 10 but with greater scoring potential.
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Post by veteran on Jul 10, 2018 16:29:20 GMT
Any news of the referee? We must be due a visit from Mr. Gough soon.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 10, 2018 16:39:57 GMT
Any news of the referee? We must be due a visit from Mr. Gough soon. Barry Cassidy has the Kerry V Galway game. Mr Gough has Tyrone V Roscommon, Conor Lane is doing Dublin V Donegal and Anthony Nolan has the Kildare V Monaghan game.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 10, 2018 20:47:04 GMT
Sale of tickets in Kerry is very low apparently. The amount of Sports on TV over the weekend is bound to have an impact but we will be badly outnumbered in Croke Park it seems. Not good!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 10, 2018 20:54:36 GMT
Sale of tickets in Kerry is very low apparently. The amount of Sports on TV over the weekend is bound to have an impact but we will be badly outnumbered in Croke Park it seems. Not good! To be fair to Kerry supporters I think it's a big ask to expect fans to travel 2 weekends in a row and I suspect that many would opt for Clones given the novelty of it.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 10, 2018 21:15:47 GMT
We are always bad for quarters anyway now that there arw 3 and one in killarney id say there will be only 3/4 k from kerry there. I live up here so its a doddle for me to go. Its going to look fairly bad for our game probably less than 10k spread around the bottom tier i wouldnt blame anyone though its a long way and dublin is such a rip off. I can see how easy it is for dubs to go to games took me around the hour to go to enniskeen during the league
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Post by timmy on Jul 10, 2018 21:15:54 GMT
Mikey Sheehy will be complaining again. The 4 o’clock throw in is the worst part. Long day out leaving Killarney by train Sunday morning and not back down until 10pm. Might get a bigger Kerry crowd if throw in was at 2pm but the GAA don’t think that way. A lot of people might opt to go to Limerick on Saturday for the U-20 game instead.
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