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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 15:20:52 GMT
So the fai should have built a big stadium in Cork? Ridiculous, the one thing this country doesn't need is that. We have too many as it is.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 15:54:28 GMT
Even if there was a beautiful, gleaming 30,000 seater soccer stadium in Cork- if demand was going to outstrip this and the family/organisers requested use of PUC then it should be agreed to.
The losers here are the family- its worrying that this needs to keep being repeated. The sporting community of Cork/Ireland should come together and do the best by the family
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Post by veteran on Jul 21, 2018 16:09:16 GMT
Even if there was a beautiful, gleaming 30,000 seater soccer stadium in Cork- if demand was going to outstrip this and the family/organisers requested use of PUC then it should be agreed to. The losers here are the family- its worrying that this needs to keep being repeated. The sporting community of Cork/Ireland should come together and do the best by the family How are the family going to be punished/lose out of if everybody who wants to go and cannot get a ticket posts on their E50.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 21, 2018 16:11:14 GMT
Even if there was a beautiful, gleaming 30,000 seater soccer stadium in Cork- if demand was going to outstrip this and the family/organisers requested use of PUC then it should be agreed to. The losers here are the family- its worrying that this needs to keep being repeated. The sporting community of Cork/Ireland should come together and do the best by the family How are the family going to be punished/lose out of if everybody who wants to go and cannot get a ticket posts on their E50. They wont though and you know they wont- so be realistic
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Post by veteran on Jul 21, 2018 16:25:57 GMT
How are the family going to be punished/lose out of if everybody who wants to go and cannot get a ticket posts on their E50. They wont though and you know they wont- so be realistic I would be surprised if people did not respond . Whatever our faults we do charity well in this country, a lot of them more nebulous causes than this one. Indeed, if as is claimed there is such a clamour for tickets would it not it be hypocritical if people did not send on their money. But then, hypocrisy is another thing we do well in this country.
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Post by veteran on Jul 21, 2018 16:28:05 GMT
So the fai should have built a big stadium in Cork? Ridiculous, the one thing this country doesn't need is that. We have too many as it is. Whether another stadium is wanted or not you can be sure the FAI will not fund it.
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Post by keane on Jul 21, 2018 17:47:16 GMT
How do we decide who is entitled to the use of GAA grounds to do fundraisers in future?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 21, 2018 19:25:53 GMT
Disputed reports that the match going ahead in Páirc de Frank.
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Post by southward on Jul 22, 2018 21:50:59 GMT
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Post by jackiel on Jul 22, 2018 22:17:38 GMT
One of Sky's first matches in Croke Park they'd set cameras up in a position almost on the sidelines. There wAs a flurry of activity and said cameras were moved back. their understanding of match day operations is not on a par with RTE or TG4,there may be truth in it but Id say MH was rubbing his hands together.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 7:42:47 GMT
Sky have denied this.
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Post by glengael on Jul 23, 2018 9:47:06 GMT
Brian McGuigan was joking about the narrowing of the pitch in Omagh on Off the Ball on Thursday so it was hardly a secret ahead of Saturday night.
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Post by allrounder on Jul 24, 2018 10:33:42 GMT
Not for the first time our soccer brethren are shown up as a collection of wasters, coming cap in hand once more to an amateur organisation to bail them out. What a collection of carpetbaggers. Their C.E.O. I am told is one of the highest paid in Europe, if not the highest paid, carrying a tag of over E500,000. He and his cohorts preside over an association where currently two of their units, Limerick City and Bray Wanderers , are unable to pay the wages of their players. It is probable that these two teams will go to the wall, as so many other teams in the L.O.I. have over the years. Is it any wonder these guys do no not have a worthwhile stadium of their own with most of the teams in the league having to play in grounds no better than a cabbage garden. Accordingly, they are reduced to use moral blackmail to entice an amateur organisation to lend them their stadium. Do these guys have any sense of pride? When I was a garsun and living in Cork I was a frequent patron of Flower Lodge, now Pairc Ui Rinn. As people on this forum know it is a smashing ground. The lease expired and it went up for sale. The soccer boys could not compete with the GAA in the market place and the rest is history. Why could they not compete? Because the soccer fraternity the world over is populated by shysters where money is king. Money being king is tolerable to an extent provided it is properly appropriated and accounted for. Everybody on here is as familiar with the corruption and chicanery which obtains in UEFA/FIFA where the location of tournaments is more likely to be determined by backhanders than suitability. Going back to Flower Lodge. Here is an example of the myopic and immediate profit attitude of the soccer brethren in Cork back then. At that time, George Best was a has been but was a gun for hire. Cork Celtic got the brilliant ides of hiring him for a game. I think E1000 was the fee, astronomical money at the time. George duly came, collected but did not deliver. I think he may have played about three games in all for them. Not surprisingly Cork Celtic folded a short time afterwards. That is the type of circus soccer administrators in Ireland specialise in. They are now about to organise another circus, albeit in aid of a worthy cause, but they want to piggy back on their neighbour's adroit use of their resources. What is new says you. So, once again the GAA are getting it in the neck for the profligacy of another sporting organisation. They are being accused of greed and insularity rather than being complimented for good governance. Not surprising really because good governance is an alien concept in this country. Undoubtedly , a lot of people are genuinely upset over this situation and are well intentioned but equally there are huge swathes of people who are not particularly distressed by the situation but merely want to use as a stick with which to beat the GAA , an organisation they would dearly love to see fall off the cliff. So, what is to be done. I feel I have a solution but admittedly it has a down side. The downside is that, if implemented,nobody will be able to moan to Joe Duffy and other organs of the media and nobody will have to clamber up the high moral ground. Be that as it may. Here is the solution. Anybody who wishes to support the Liam Millar fund but are precluded from doing so by being unable to get a ticket then all they have got to do is to post a cheque for E50 to the fund. That is what I intend to do on Monday. Now I know they will be denied access to the circus that is being planned but Duffy's circus usually calls to a town near you in August. My God, this has to be one the most ignorant posts ever posted on this forum. To describe a charity game, to raise money for cancer and the family of a man who died at 36 years of age as a "CIRCUS" is unbelievable. This game has nothing to do with the FAI. It is the good people of Cork remembering one of their own. I recall Listowel Emmets hosting a charity event on their pitch a number of years ago for Pieta House, I think it was called Nun Day. The GAA had no issue with that event, and rightly so.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 24, 2018 14:21:20 GMT
Mc Stay accepts a 12 week suspension - what a load of rubbish. His twelve week suspension means he misses one dead rubber game. Yet again the GAA rulebook is seen for the daft and ill conceived heap of rubbish that it is. Get your suspension at the right time of the year and it has no impact whatsoever.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 24, 2018 15:18:08 GMT
Mc Stay accepts a 12 week suspension - what a load of rubbish. His twelve week suspension means he misses one dead rubber game. Yet again the GAA rulebook is seen for the daft and ill conceived heap of rubbish that it is. Get your suspension at the right time of the year and it has no impact whatsoever. I wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt matter the lenght of the ban would be surprised if he is still in charge in 12 weeks tbh dublin will absolutely rip them apart i think it will be a massacre +20 at least or they might just play keep ball for 25-30 mins of the 2nd half
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 24, 2018 15:20:23 GMT
Mc Stay accepts a 12 week suspension - what a load of rubbish. His twelve week suspension means he misses one dead rubber game. Yet again the GAA rulebook is seen for the daft and ill conceived heap of rubbish that it is. Get your suspension at the right time of the year and it has no impact whatsoever. I wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt matter the lenght of the ban would be surprised if he is still in charge in 12 weeks tbh dublin will absolutely rip them apart i think it will be a massacre +20 at least or they might just play keep ball for 25-30 mins of the 2nd half A dead rubber game that might be better suited to Parnell Park after all!!!!
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Post by dc84 on Jul 24, 2018 15:22:33 GMT
I wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt matter the lenght of the ban would be surprised if he is still in charge in 12 weeks tbh dublin will absolutely rip them apart i think it will be a massacre +20 at least or they might just play keep ball for 25-30 mins of the 2nd half A dead rubber game that might be better suited to Parnell Park after all!!!! Yeah or phoenix park maybe, dublin will get an early goal or 2 and roscommon will collapse they will turn on mcstay then i think easier that he isnt one of there own!
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 24, 2018 18:20:54 GMT
If the rumors are true that Donie Buckley is leaving the Mayo setup, our Co. Board should do absolutely everything in their power to get him to join the Kerry setup.. Our tackling has been abysmal for many years, when you contrast that with how Mayo approach the tackle it is like night and day..
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 25, 2018 8:07:09 GMT
I have been saying it for years. Now they are saying it themselves.
Martin McHugh: 'Ulster coaches have destroyed Gaelic football'
Martin McHugh has blamed Ulster coaches for destroying football.
The Donegal man, who managed Cavan to their last Ulster title and Sligo IT to their first Sigerson Cup, believes that the tactic of holding possession to wind down the clock has damaged the game for fans.
During the Super 8s, the keep-ball tactic has been employed by Dublin and Galway, while Monaghan were less successful in their efforts to close out the game against Kerry.
“You have the situation where one team is winning the game and they're happy enough to hold onto the ball and the other team is happy enough to sit back with scoring average and this kind of stuff going on in games,” McHugh told the RTÉ GAA Podcast.
“I think Ulster coaches have destroyed the game. They took it to a level where it's going on in schools in Ulster and it’s going on all over coaching. It's coached to get your defence right first and try to break. When teams copped on to that, they sit and allow that.
“Dublin are very good at it now and they know how to play against it. The game is definitely not as good a spectacle to watch.
“I’m an Ulster man myself and it’s Ulster that did start it and are doing it. It’s not attractive and it’s going on at club level and everything else.”
“I remember going out one day with Ryan [Martin's son and Donegal football star], he was presenting medals to an U10 team.
There was a wee girl there and I asked her, ‘Where do you play?’ And she said, ‘Sweeper’.
“That’s the level it’s at in football in Ulster. It’s going on in schools in Ulster. It's going on in clubs. It's going on in underage games.
“It's a wee bit scary because people will not go to watch it.”
The All-Ireland winner believes that a rule change is needed to prevent negative tactics from succeeding.
“I think we will have to look at the rules because Ulster teams are so good at it and they’re really able to do it.
“It’s just the way Gaelic football has gone and the sad thing about it is teams are winning playing that way. That’s where the problem is because they’re good at it and able to do it.”
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 25, 2018 8:21:36 GMT
I don't think a rule change is necessary.
Ulster football is losing football. There are still some slow learners who don't understand this.
Dublin you say: not Dublin's fault that an Ulster opponent is sitting back against them and refusing to play.
Galway now are leaving three forwards up. The blanket is dead. Teams can't attack without forwards up.
This too shall pass.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 25, 2018 8:40:57 GMT
I don't think a rule change is necessary. Ulster football is losing football. There are still some slow learners who don't understand this. Dublin you say: not Dublin's fault that an Ulster opponent is sitting back against them and refusing to play. Galway now are leaving three forwards up. The blanket is dead. Teams can't attack without forwards up. This too shall pass. You may be right but one thing rugby gets right is the way they tweak the rules to get the game played the way they want it played. They are not afraid to make adjustments to encourage attacking play, gone are the days of 6-3 results. GAA needs to be clear in what values they want the game to promote and adjust the rules accordingly, instead they sit back and let the evolution go wherever it takes us. In GAA such behaviour (rule adjustments) is seen as favouring one county to the detriment of others. What are the core values of GAA football and how can these be encouraged in the modern game - and care needs to be taken not to (further) overcomplicate the rule book. Three possibilities are (not all required at once) 1/ a time clock - 1-2 minutes of possession without a shot on goal means a team loses possession. 2/ cannot back back over half way line once you cross it 3/ limit of 2-3 handpasses in succession.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 25, 2018 9:22:13 GMT
I don't think a rule change is necessary. Ulster football is losing football. There are still some slow learners who don't understand this. Dublin you say: not Dublin's fault that an Ulster opponent is sitting back against them and refusing to play. Galway now are leaving three forwards up. The blanket is dead. Teams can't attack without forwards up. This too shall pass. You may be right but one thing rugby gets right is the way they tweak the rules to get the game played the way they want it played. They are not afraid to make adjustments to encourage attacking play, gone are the days of 6-3 results. GAA needs to be clear in what values they want the game to promote and adjust the rules accordingly, instead they sit back and let the evolution go wherever it takes us. In GAA such behaviour (rule adjustments) is seen as favouring one county to the detriment of others. What are the core values of GAA football and how can these be encouraged in the modern game - and care needs to be taken not to (further) overcomplicate the rule book. Three possibilities are (not all required at once) 1/ a time clock - 1-2 minutes of possession without a shot on goal means a team loses possession. 2/ cannot back back over half way line once you cross it 3/ limit of 2-3 handpasses in succession. Trying to limit the number of handpasses is the obvious one but they don't seem willing to bring in this rule. At the moment refs are not counting steps so handpasses might be a step too far. Croke Park should sit down and decide what are the 3 or four main skills of Football and any rules being changed should promote these skills. They seem to believe that Jim Gavin, Fitzmaurice and the other Football trainers can decide the direction of the sport or have the sports best interests at heart. This is not the case. As you say it is about values of the game.
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Post by keane on Jul 25, 2018 9:56:30 GMT
All measures mentioned focused on curbing the options of the team with the ball which will only make it more profitable to sit deep in defence and wait for the attackers to * it up.
2 minute shot clock, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and let these poor fools try to ping it over from half way. Limit on hand pass, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and let these poor fools try to kick it into their corner forward through all of us. Cannot cross the half way line, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and descend like a plague of locusts as soon as someone is foolish enough to come attack us.
The attacking team will end up doing one handpass, two handpass, five yard kickpass to one another behind their own 45 watching the blanket waiting for them down the other end. A quick dart forward and try to fire one over from 50 yards.
If you want to curtail defences with rule changes you need to make rules that focus on punishing swarmed defences. For example, mandated number of players in each half, players must be in traditional positions for kickouts, only one person allowed to tackle, attacking marks inside 21/45 etc.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 25, 2018 10:18:33 GMT
I agree with most of your points Keane, the suggestion that I’d make tho is one that will prob never happen - go 13 aside
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 25, 2018 10:32:16 GMT
All measures mentioned focused on curbing the options of the team with the ball which will only make it more profitable to sit deep in defence and wait for the attackers to * it up. 2 minute shot clock, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and let these poor fools try to ping it over from half way. Limit on hand pass, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and let these poor fools try to kick it into their corner forward through all of us. Cannot cross the half way line, grand - we'll pull all our players into our own 45 and descend like a plague of locusts as soon as someone is foolish enough to come attack us. The attacking team will end up doing one handpass, two handpass, five yard kickpass to one another behind their own 45 watching the blanket waiting for them down the other end. A quick dart forward and try to fire one over from 50 yards. If you want to curtail defences with rule changes you need to make rules that focus on punishing swarmed defences. For example, mandated number of players in each half, players must be in traditional positions for kickouts, only one person allowed to tackle, attacking marks inside 21/45 etc. Fair points - and not what I would like to see happening. However the rule changes need to be manageable and counting players in each half is totally unmanageable - the thinking caps need to go on but the basic premise is that rule changes are needed to support the core values of the game and make it more attractive. As somebody else said we cannot allow the game to evolve based on how one or two particular managers think with winning at all costs the core value.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 25, 2018 11:03:18 GMT
Maybe if the existing rules were enforced properly a lot of the problems would be solved. At least we would have a clearer view of where the rules were failing us. Individual referees have bizarre interpretations of simple enough rules ie. steps, cards, tackles etc. Unfortunately, too often bad calls by referees do determine the outcome of games. That shouldn't be the case - even allowing for human error.
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Post by keane on Jul 25, 2018 11:24:19 GMT
Fair points - and not what I would like to see happening. However the rule changes need to be manageable and counting players in each half is totally unmanageable - the thinking caps need to go on but the basic premise is that rule changes are needed to support the core values of the game and make it more attractive. As somebody else said we cannot allow the game to evolve based on how one or two particular managers think with winning at all costs the core value. I agree with the part in bold. Other sports are very proactive about tweaking the rules to push the games in certain directions - typically in the direction of better spectacle. I'm in favour of that while cautious. The law of unintended consequences looms very large over any of the ideas we are talking about here. It's something that sticks out like a broken thumb to me however that any time anyone talks about changing the rules to fix the game, they are complaining about defences yet suggesting rules to stymie attacks. The mark has actually had a real positive impact, as it is bringing fielding in midfield back in vogue. We're also seeing a probably related surge in teams pushing up on opposition kick outs. When this happens the play tends to be cut and thrust, and exciting. We could go a step further and force this by forcing teams back to traditional 15s on kickouts. It is when teams retreat into defensive shells that we get the dull crap. Changing the rules around group tackling could possibly limit the benefit of having so many players bunched up behind the ball.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 25, 2018 11:32:05 GMT
The best example of the law of unintended consequences was surely moving the kickout to the 14 yard line. Twas the making of Cluxton. Yet i have no idea why they moved the kickout to the 14 yards line. What was broken that they wanted to fix.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 25, 2018 12:08:10 GMT
Fair points - and not what I would like to see happening. However the rule changes need to be manageable and counting players in each half is totally unmanageable - the thinking caps need to go on but the basic premise is that rule changes are needed to support the core values of the game and make it more attractive. As somebody else said we cannot allow the game to evolve based on how one or two particular managers think with winning at all costs the core value. I agree with the part in bold. Other sports are very proactive about tweaking the rules to push the games in certain directions - typically in the direction of better spectacle. I'm in favour of that while cautious. The law of unintended consequences looms very large over any of the ideas we are talking about here. It's something that sticks out like a broken thumb to me however that any time anyone talks about changing the rules to fix the game, they are complaining about defences yet suggesting rules to stymie attacks. The mark has actually had a real positive impact, as it is bringing fielding in midfield back in vogue. We're also seeing a probably related surge in teams pushing up on opposition kick outs. When this happens the play tends to be cut and thrust, and exciting. We could go a step further and force this by forcing teams back to traditional 15s on kickouts. It is when teams retreat into defensive shells that we get the dull crap. Changing the rules around group tackling could possibly limit the benefit of having so many players bunched up behind the ball. That group tackle is a real bugbear of mine should be called for obstruction in my book three/four lads standing blocking a player from moving and slapping with both hands making it impossible to get the ball away cleanly i think it is a joke tbh!
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Post by keane on Jul 25, 2018 12:28:29 GMT
The one that annoys me the most is when a player is on his hands and knees and a back clambers up to have a leg either side of him like he's about to go for a ride on the family dog.
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