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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2018 19:55:04 GMT
Wicklow v Dublin should be played in an all ticket game in Aughrim. Season ticket holders could stand for one game. Televise the game on RTE and let them off. The "atmosphere would be electric", to quote from above.
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Post by thebluepanther on May 19, 2018 20:01:17 GMT
Wicklow v Dublin should be played in an all ticket game in Aughrim. Season ticket holders could stand for one game. Televise the game on RTE and let them off. The "atmosphere would be electric", to quote from above. I wouldn't disagree. Dublin players will play anywhere and supporters will travel anywhere. Just play the game where ever the home teams ground is.
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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2018 20:07:59 GMT
Wicklow v Dublin should be played in an all ticket game in Aughrim. Season ticket holders could stand for one game. Televise the game on RTE and let them off. The "atmosphere would be electric", to quote from above. I wouldn't disagree. Dublin players will play anywhere and supporters will travel anywhere. Just play the game where ever the home teams ground is. The Dubs on the road would be great for the Leinster championship in tight compact grounds.............
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Post by kerryexile on May 19, 2018 20:11:27 GMT
When reading anything written by this guy, what you have to keep in mind is that he has an almost pathological hatred of all things Dublin. His Twitter musings will give you conclusive evidence of that. He was on Matt Coopers radio show a couple of years back wanting Dublin to be split in 5. A nutjob masquerading as a journalist.This is a totally invalid comment. I am not familiar with the writer but he is quoting statistics. It is not his opinion. If you disagree with any figures given, point them out. I will comment again when you do.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
When reading anything written by this guy, what you have to keep in mind is that he has an almost pathological hatred of all things Dublin. His Twitter musings will give you conclusive evidence of that. He was on Matt Coopers radio show a couple of years back wanting Dublin to be split in 5. A nutjob masquerading as a journalist. He's a *ing arsehole if you ask me.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2018 21:20:04 GMT
When reading anything written by this guy, what you have to keep in mind is that he has an almost pathological hatred of all things Dublin. His Twitter musings will give you conclusive evidence of that. He was on Matt Coopers radio show a couple of years back wanting Dublin to be split in 5. A nutjob masquerading as a journalist.This is a totally invalid comment. I am not familiar with the writer but he is quoting statistics. It is not his opinion. If you disagree with any figures given, point them out. I will comment again when you do. Regarding my above post, he can write an excellent article and I applaud your rejection of the ad hom and request for a refutation of what he is saying. I recognise him as a journalist. He's also an arsehole nutjob.
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Post by thebluepanther on May 19, 2018 22:26:22 GMT
I wouldn't disagree. Dublin players will play anywhere and supporters will travel anywhere. Just play the game where ever the home teams ground is. The Dubs on the road would be great for the Leinster championship in tight compact grounds............. I'd also like to see weaker Leinster counties rewarded with a home fixture against Dublin, it would give a sense of fair play which is sadly lacking in the GAA at the moment. These counties should be rewarded , local businesses would get extra revenue and young kids get to see the All Ireland Champions play their County in their home ground. This what the GAA should be about. But what is killing the Leinster Championship in truth is a weak Kildare and Meath. Two counties with big populations and support falling back as Dublin move further ahead. Kildare have wasted a lot of money over the Years , while Meath have neglected underage structures. But at the moment that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat them with. These counties are needed to keep the Province alive and the Gaa has to look at helping these counties .
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Post by skybluezone on May 20, 2018 7:46:06 GMT
When reading anything written by this guy, what you have to keep in mind is that he has an almost pathological hatred of all things Dublin. His Twitter musings will give you conclusive evidence of that. He was on Matt Coopers radio show a couple of years back wanting Dublin to be split in 5. A nutjob masquerading as a journalist.This is a totally invalid comment. I am not familiar with the writer but he is quoting statistics. It is not his opinion. If you disagree with any figures given, point them out. I will comment again when you do. Ok I will try more diplomatic language. The current success of this Dublin team is killing him. He has formed an opinion that success has come about solely because of GAAs "financial doping" of Dublin. Uses this phrase constantly to attract controversy/clicks. He then supports his viewpoint with clever manipulation of stats. When called out on his stats by Dublin supporters who have done their homework he refuses to engage in a debate, or just blocks them. On a later Matt Cooper programme he was called out by Kerry's own Sean Kelly, and was left huffing and puffing. The 'like' of the Johnny Cooper tweet referred to above, the "Bollocks Bollocks Bollocks tweet seconds after 2017 All Ireland final. All adds up to a hatred of Dublin. This guy is from Kildare btw, you'd think he'd have enough to write about with how they are getting on. Apologies if the 'nutjob phrase offended You, so I will go with Annascaul and label him an a*hole.
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Post by skybluezone on May 20, 2018 7:52:01 GMT
Sorry, should have mentioned above that he's delving into the area of sporting investigative journalism a la Kimmage and David Walsh. If he's pitching himself at that level he needs to leave his bias at the door before he begins to work. He may gain some credibility then. In regard to Dublin he's starting with his point of view and working backwards. He has it the wrong way round.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 20, 2018 7:55:39 GMT
Sorry, should have mentioned above that he's delving into the area of sporting investigative journalism a la Kimmage and David Walsh. If he's pitching himself at that level he needs to leave his bias at the door before he begins to work. He may gain some credibility then. In regard to Dublin he's starting with his point of view and working backwards. He has it the wrong way round. Kimmage, who I love, is profoundly biased.
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Post by kerrygold on May 20, 2018 9:17:27 GMT
The Dubs on the road would be great for the Leinster championship in tight compact grounds............. I'd also like to see weaker Leinster counties rewarded with a home fixture against Dublin, it would give a sense of fair play which is sadly lacking in the GAA at the moment. These counties should be rewarded , local businesses would get extra revenue and young kids get to see the All Ireland Champions play their County in their home ground. This what the GAA should be about. But what is killing the Leinster Championship in truth is a weak Kildare and Meath. Two counties with big populations and support falling back as Dublin move further ahead. Kildare have wasted a lot of money over the Years , while Meath have neglected underage structures. But at the moment that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat them with. These counties are needed to keep the Province alive and the Gaa has to look at helping these counties . Offaly also have been great Leinster competitors down the decades. Pretty much all the Leinster counties now would be candidates for a B championship!
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Post by glengael on May 20, 2018 11:08:38 GMT
I see Sean Cavanagh promising another gravely titled book in the autumn.
It would be a nice change if some GAA person co-wrote a book and called 'Ah sure Lookit you know yourself: The Life and Times of A Misunderstood Brand Ambassador who played a bit of football/football on the side' or some such.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2018 12:51:42 GMT
Just so that we can get away from the "Shoot the messenger" evasion tactic, I have reproduced the offending article and lets imagine for a minute that it was written by Michael Lyster who is a paragon of even handedness.
Could our pro-Dublin posters point out what would be wrong with the article if Michael Lyster had written it.
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Dublin's Portlaoise trip shows Trumpian GAA despises its own poor and most hard up
May 17 2018 7:06 PM
There's a story Keith Barr once told, the sort that'd fall within the lazily low and all-encompassing claws of the word disgrace these days. Ignore such pigeon-holing though for the tale adds a steely backbone to the legend of yesteryear.
It was the mid-1990s; a hardened Dublin team refusing to loosen their grip; a young and green Kildare side frantically trying to rise up. Heading into the dressing rooms in Croke Park at half-time one championship game, Barr made it in first and was busy chewing on a sugared orange when he realised no one was joining him. So he popped his head out the door to see chaos in the corridor.
In the midst of a brawl, a Garda from the capital had whipped out a baton and was going after any and all flashes of white. "Well, the game was on in Dublin," laughed the always entertaining Barr.
That was a time before headquarters became home for Dublin's footballers - something that can be clearly dated to the shifting of their annual schedule to Croke Park in 2011 - but it made an important point.
Where you played mattered in GAA as in all sports, for reasons as crazy as Brian Clough the worse for wear one night before a European Cup tie with Benfica deciding to soften the Baseball Ground pitch only to fall asleep and awaken to see he'd created a swimming pool, to intimidation more native to these shores such as referees conscious of being locked in car boots.
However, even in a new and shiny era of both good and bad sanitisation, easier travel, and far fewer unknowns, hosting games still comes with perks. That much can be easily proven. Over the past 10 football championships (2008-2017) 58 per cent of the time the home team have won; over the last seven leagues since Dublin became the best county in the sport (2012-2018) that figure for home wins sits at 57 per cent. That's not to say venue will always change an outcome, but it will have an influence on the scoreline.
Sadly and unacceptably, it brings us to the latest layer of bias caked onto an already thick wedge of GAA favoritism. Back in October when the draw for this summer was made, the winners of Offaly-Wicklow were penciled down for a home game with Dublin. Had Offaly won it would be in O'Connor Park; that Wicklow have won has seen the Leinster Council predictably tear up the script and say no to Aughrim. It's brutal and ruthless deja vu, and the danger is we accept such wrong based on commonality.
In 2016 for instance, when Dublin were to have all of one entire game that wasn't at home, it wasn't away either as Laois were told O'Moore Park, after a €1m upgrade, wasn't up to the travelling crowds. Although after it was moved to Nowlan Park just a smidgen over 16,000 showed. Yet last year when Carlow earned a home tie with Dublin, O'Moore Park was suddenly suitable.
There's a great mask here of the GAA making it up as they go along, and this rouse of cluelessness is what they are hiding behind as it is better than the ugly alternative. But why else would every decision happen to benefit the county that makes them most. Coincidence?
The fixture issue, like most others, isn't the fault of Dublin in any shape or form and that's an unfortunate conflation and mistake. But it is on the GAA, again dribbling like a teenage boy in the presence of the class beauty, all in a shameless show of cash-hungry elitism. It's so bad that before an outing Wicklow are admitting defeat in, they are left publicly begging for their basic rights. Indeed their statement this week was a sign that football hasn't reached the cliff edge, it's long gone over the precipice.
"The gap between these two on the field is clearly massive but off the field Wicklow has many passionate followers and also a generation of young people who needed to see the best ever GAA team at first hand in Joule Park. Wicklow needs these youngsters to be inspired, to dream that they too some day may have a day like this in their careers. Wicklow needed a Dublin to come to Joule Park, the local economy would love it too... The Wicklow players of today also deserved the reward of home venue, being part of the first Wicklow team to face the reigning All Ireland champions in a championship game is an honour. They have worked hard under John Evans and his management team against all the odds to get some recognition for their efforts."
Someone should have reminded them this Trumpian GAA despises its own poor and most hard up.
Would Dublin still win if playing in Aughrim? Of course, but don't confuse a result with an advantage within that result. Given they haven't actually been asked to play an away game of summer football since 2006, we don't have an away record to compare their results against. But in the league we do and it's there, since 2012, that they've averaged 1.61 points per home game (28 wins and two draws in 36 matches) but away that drops to 1.22 points per game (12 wins and four draws, in 23 matches).
It's a trend that carries on into the average score category. During Croke Park league games in that time it's 19.9-14.2 in favour of Dublin, a 5.7-point win. When they play away it's reduced down to 14.6-13.4, just a 1.2-point win. In essence location has been worth 4.5 points.
This though goes beyond just who wins and loses, and on down some far more important avenues. Consider that just weeks back a host of problems came before the Wicklow County Board. Less than a dozen kids initially showed up for a meet and greet with the senior team before their championship opener; one club in a part of the country with a booming population folded; another two amalgamated; EGMs were held over clubs not being able to field full teams; an adult game was 14-a-side with no subs.
The place is perhaps the GAA's poorest relation, all the while having massive potential, and what playing at home does is give the next generation the chance to see what big-time is. It also pumps money into the local economy, increasing the likelihood of some of that money coming full circle and going back into supporting local games.
That has now been wrenched from an area that needs it most, but it's the hypocrisy of the GAA that's most galling. After all, their excuse for 15 seasons of pumping Dublin full of levels of money entire provinces weren't receiving was a need to up participation. Some are more equal than others and this is the clearest proof yet.
The association – this time via the Leinster Council – have said the game cannot be in Aughrim due to contractual obligations around Dublin season ticket holders. That may be the case now, but it's a scenario that ought to have been factored in when coming up with a concept that is for the most part a fine idea. Yet either overlooking or allowing an element that meant that the most powerful county with the most advantages would get one more, via rarely playing away, was either bias or idiocy. The GAA tells us these days it's a business – in a business neither is good enough.
Still, a Leinster Council spokesperson said this week: "The Slattery report puts the capacity in Aughrim at 7,000 and there were 13,500 at the Dublin-Carlow match in Portlaoise. Season ticket holders are also guaranteed a seat at matches and there are 3,000 in Dublin but only 2,000 seats in Aughrim. The overriding reason though is that last year the Leinster Management Committee decided that Dublin could realistically play championship in only four grounds in the province: Croke Park, O'Moore Park (Portlaoise), O'Connor Park (Tullamore) and Nowlan Park (Kilkenny)." What that means is only two of the 10 other Leinster counties can ever play Dublin at home.
Yet in what other sport would the ruling authorities punish the home team because the opposition has a certain amount of season ticket holders? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Premier League if Bournemouth's hosting of Manchester United was scratched? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Six Nations if Ireland's hosting of England was taken out of Lansdowne Road due to foreign demand and it being the smallest venue in the tournament?
The purpose of your home game isn't supposed to be around accommodating all the away team's supporters, nor should you be forced to forfeit home games due to another county having a large population. In this case, if Wicklow cannot fit the season ticket holders of Dublin in, tough. Should counties with tiny Croke Park handouts and without the opportunity to gain big sponsorship be forced to go into debt to build facilities they don't need so they can be allowed what was promised to them?
It's absurd but it would seem that way, and at this stage if the GAA won't take their blue-ribboned event seriously, neither should you. Boycott, for the only thing that grabs the attention of those that base all choices on money is to hit their wallets.
Over the last 10 Leinster campaigns, the number of home games versus games played works out like this. Westmeath 6/21; Offaly 5/12; Longford 4/14; Laois 4/17; Carlow 3/13; Wicklow 3/14; Louth 2/19; Wexford 1/19; Meath 1/25; Kildare 0/23. Some will rightly argue that a major part of this is the number of neutral fixtures as they largely lack home-and-away agreements, but as a counter, we've omitted one statistic from the list. Across the same time, without such agreements, Dublin have played 27 of their 29 matches at home, and none away, meaning they play 93 per cent of their games in their back yard. The average across the rest is a mere 16 per cent.
To help strengthen that contrast, while the best team in the province haven't been told to play an away game in 12 years and counting, arguably the second best, Kildare, haven't been home since 1995.
For now though the rest of the country don't care, as it's less bothersome to say the east is a foregone conclusion thus this doesn't matter. Fast forward a few months to the Super Eights and their tune will change. There, while all counties are due one home game, Dublin already are down for two and if they draw the right opposition as their away day, sources say it could be Croke Park too.
A piss-up in a brewery springs to mind but we're told not to concern ourselves. This is literally the GAA's bottom line.
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Post by skybluezone on May 20, 2018 15:16:29 GMT
Just so that we can get away from the "Shoot the messenger" evasion tactic, I have reproduced the offending article and lets imagine for a minute that it was written by Michael Lyster who is a paragon of even handedness. Could our pro-Dublin posters point out what would be wrong with the article if Michael Lyster had written it. ################ Dublin's Portlaoise trip shows Trumpian GAA despises its own poor and most hard up
May 17 2018 7:06 PM
There's a story Keith Barr once told, the sort that'd fall within the lazily low and all-encompassing claws of the word disgrace these days. Ignore such pigeon-holing though for the tale adds a steely backbone to the legend of yesteryear.
It was the mid-1990s; a hardened Dublin team refusing to loosen their grip; a young and green Kildare side frantically trying to rise up. Heading into the dressing rooms in Croke Park at half-time one championship game, Barr made it in first and was busy chewing on a sugared orange when he realised no one was joining him. So he popped his head out the door to see chaos in the corridor.
In the midst of a brawl, a Garda from the capital had whipped out a baton and was going after any and all flashes of white. "Well, the game was on in Dublin," laughed the always entertaining Barr.
That was a time before headquarters became home for Dublin's footballers - something that can be clearly dated to the shifting of their annual schedule to Croke Park in 2011 - but it made an important point.
Where you played mattered in GAA as in all sports, for reasons as crazy as Brian Clough the worse for wear one night before a European Cup tie with Benfica deciding to soften the Baseball Ground pitch only to fall asleep and awaken to see he'd created a swimming pool, to intimidation more native to these shores such as referees conscious of being locked in car boots.
However, even in a new and shiny era of both good and bad sanitisation, easier travel, and far fewer unknowns, hosting games still comes with perks. That much can be easily proven. Over the past 10 football championships (2008-2017) 58 per cent of the time the home team have won; over the last seven leagues since Dublin became the best county in the sport (2012-2018) that figure for home wins sits at 57 per cent. That's not to say venue will always change an outcome, but it will have an influence on the scoreline.
Sadly and unacceptably, it brings us to the latest layer of bias caked onto an already thick wedge of GAA favoritism. Back in October when the draw for this summer was made, the winners of Offaly-Wicklow were penciled down for a home game with Dublin. Had Offaly won it would be in O'Connor Park; that Wicklow have won has seen the Leinster Council predictably tear up the script and say no to Aughrim. It's brutal and ruthless deja vu, and the danger is we accept such wrong based on commonality.
In 2016 for instance, when Dublin were to have all of one entire game that wasn't at home, it wasn't away either as Laois were told O'Moore Park, after a €1m upgrade, wasn't up to the travelling crowds. Although after it was moved to Nowlan Park just a smidgen over 16,000 showed. Yet last year when Carlow earned a home tie with Dublin, O'Moore Park was suddenly suitable.
There's a great mask here of the GAA making it up as they go along, and this rouse of cluelessness is what they are hiding behind as it is better than the ugly alternative. But why else would every decision happen to benefit the county that makes them most. Coincidence?
The fixture issue, like most others, isn't the fault of Dublin in any shape or form and that's an unfortunate conflation and mistake. But it is on the GAA, again dribbling like a teenage boy in the presence of the class beauty, all in a shameless show of cash-hungry elitism. It's so bad that before an outing Wicklow are admitting defeat in, they are left publicly begging for their basic rights. Indeed their statement this week was a sign that football hasn't reached the cliff edge, it's long gone over the precipice.
"The gap between these two on the field is clearly massive but off the field Wicklow has many passionate followers and also a generation of young people who needed to see the best ever GAA team at first hand in Joule Park. Wicklow needs these youngsters to be inspired, to dream that they too some day may have a day like this in their careers. Wicklow needed a Dublin to come to Joule Park, the local economy would love it too... The Wicklow players of today also deserved the reward of home venue, being part of the first Wicklow team to face the reigning All Ireland champions in a championship game is an honour. They have worked hard under John Evans and his management team against all the odds to get some recognition for their efforts."
Someone should have reminded them this Trumpian GAA despises its own poor and most hard up.
Would Dublin still win if playing in Aughrim? Of course, but don't confuse a result with an advantage within that result. Given they haven't actually been asked to play an away game of summer football since 2006, we don't have an away record to compare their results against. But in the league we do and it's there, since 2012, that they've averaged 1.61 points per home game (28 wins and two draws in 36 matches) but away that drops to 1.22 points per game (12 wins and four draws, in 23 matches).
It's a trend that carries on into the average score category. During Croke Park league games in that time it's 19.9-14.2 in favour of Dublin, a 5.7-point win. When they play away it's reduced down to 14.6-13.4, just a 1.2-point win. In essence location has been worth 4.5 points.
This though goes beyond just who wins and loses, and on down some far more important avenues. Consider that just weeks back a host of problems came before the Wicklow County Board. Less than a dozen kids initially showed up for a meet and greet with the senior team before their championship opener; one club in a part of the country with a booming population folded; another two amalgamated; EGMs were held over clubs not being able to field full teams; an adult game was 14-a-side with no subs.
The place is perhaps the GAA's poorest relation, all the while having massive potential, and what playing at home does is give the next generation the chance to see what big-time is. It also pumps money into the local economy, increasing the likelihood of some of that money coming full circle and going back into supporting local games.
That has now been wrenched from an area that needs it most, but it's the hypocrisy of the GAA that's most galling. After all, their excuse for 15 seasons of pumping Dublin full of levels of money entire provinces weren't receiving was a need to up participation. Some are more equal than others and this is the clearest proof yet.
The association – this time via the Leinster Council – have said the game cannot be in Aughrim due to contractual obligations around Dublin season ticket holders. That may be the case now, but it's a scenario that ought to have been factored in when coming up with a concept that is for the most part a fine idea. Yet either overlooking or allowing an element that meant that the most powerful county with the most advantages would get one more, via rarely playing away, was either bias or idiocy. The GAA tells us these days it's a business – in a business neither is good enough.
Still, a Leinster Council spokesperson said this week: "The Slattery report puts the capacity in Aughrim at 7,000 and there were 13,500 at the Dublin-Carlow match in Portlaoise. Season ticket holders are also guaranteed a seat at matches and there are 3,000 in Dublin but only 2,000 seats in Aughrim. The overriding reason though is that last year the Leinster Management Committee decided that Dublin could realistically play championship in only four grounds in the province: Croke Park, O'Moore Park (Portlaoise), O'Connor Park (Tullamore) and Nowlan Park (Kilkenny)." What that means is only two of the 10 other Leinster counties can ever play Dublin at home.
Yet in what other sport would the ruling authorities punish the home team because the opposition has a certain amount of season ticket holders? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Premier League if Bournemouth's hosting of Manchester United was scratched? Can you imagine the outrage in and credibility of the Six Nations if Ireland's hosting of England was taken out of Lansdowne Road due to foreign demand and it being the smallest venue in the tournament?
The purpose of your home game isn't supposed to be around accommodating all the away team's supporters, nor should you be forced to forfeit home games due to another county having a large population. In this case, if Wicklow cannot fit the season ticket holders of Dublin in, tough. Should counties with tiny Croke Park handouts and without the opportunity to gain big sponsorship be forced to go into debt to build facilities they don't need so they can be allowed what was promised to them?
It's absurd but it would seem that way, and at this stage if the GAA won't take their blue-ribboned event seriously, neither should you. Boycott, for the only thing that grabs the attention of those that base all choices on money is to hit their wallets.
Over the last 10 Leinster campaigns, the number of home games versus games played works out like this. Westmeath 6/21; Offaly 5/12; Longford 4/14; Laois 4/17; Carlow 3/13; Wicklow 3/14; Louth 2/19; Wexford 1/19; Meath 1/25; Kildare 0/23. Some will rightly argue that a major part of this is the number of neutral fixtures as they largely lack home-and-away agreements, but as a counter, we've omitted one statistic from the list. Across the same time, without such agreements, Dublin have played 27 of their 29 matches at home, and none away, meaning they play 93 per cent of their games in their back yard. The average across the rest is a mere 16 per cent.
To help strengthen that contrast, while the best team in the province haven't been told to play an away game in 12 years and counting, arguably the second best, Kildare, haven't been home since 1995.
For now though the rest of the country don't care, as it's less bothersome to say the east is a foregone conclusion thus this doesn't matter. Fast forward a few months to the Super Eights and their tune will change. There, while all counties are due one home game, Dublin already are down for two and if they draw the right opposition as their away day, sources say it could be Croke Park too.
A piss-up in a brewery springs to mind but we're told not to concern ourselves. This is literally the GAA's bottom line.We could be going back and forth on this until the cows come home. He admits that the season thing is a good idea, then says if Aughrim can't accommodate the season ticket holders, tough. Also compares our model to Premier league, not valid, because season ticket holders there have no rights to away matches. But throws it in anyway to muddy the waters. And to hell with the legal implications of the gaa telling a few thousand supporters that they are changing the terms and conditions midway through a contract. But Ewan has no problem apparently. If the gaa were to actually try that he'd be the first one in hammering them. Language liked 'pumped full of money' is inflammatory. As it happens Dublin are bigger than any one province so should probably expect to receive more than any province. I think the point of his article is that teams win less when they play away from home. Or maybe it's that Dublin win less away. Also neatly throws on a reference to 2011 when all this started, again hinting that current success would not have occurred without the change. Anyway nobody is arguing that teams win more often away from home so that's a spurious argument. One alternative is to go back to the old days of having Parnell Park as Dublins home ground. Great stadium with a great atmosphere. Why won't that happen? Answer: it's too small and the gaa will lose out on too much money. Same as Aughrim and most other grounds. Believe me the only way Ewan will be satisfied is when the glory days are over for this team. And that will be age related not location related. Here's a question, Ewan mentions that Kildare have not had a home champo game since 1995. Why is that. And why is Ewan not raising hell about this conspiracy to stop Kildare playing at home and denying them all irelands as a consequence. Hopefully someone can enlighten us if not Ewan.
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2018 8:07:47 GMT
When they brought in the season tickets no one thought that one effect would be that small counties with small grounds would lose home advantage.
What would happen if the Dublin hurlers suddenly had 15000 followers. Would Wexford park be unsuitable for a Dublin v wexford game
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Post by kerrygold on May 21, 2018 9:14:50 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2018 9:32:07 GMT
When they brought in the season tickets no one thought that one effect would be that small counties with small grounds would lose home advantage. What would happen if the Dublin hurlers suddenly had 15000 followers. Would Wexford park be unsuitable for a Dublin v wexford game Waterford are doing up Walsh Park but when completed it will still only hold about 18000. That will hardly be enough for a big game against Cork or Tipp in the round robin. Whats going to happen. They are hardly going to have to concede home advantage
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Post by clarinman on May 21, 2018 16:54:22 GMT
When they brought in the season tickets no one thought that one effect would be that small counties with small grounds would lose home advantage. What would happen if the Dublin hurlers suddenly had 15000 followers. Would Wexford park be unsuitable for a Dublin v wexford game Waterford are doing up Walsh Park but when completed it will still only hold about 18000. That will hardly be enough for a big game against Cork or Tipp in the round robin. Whats going to happen. They are hardly going to have to concede home advantage Cusack park has a smaller capacity and Clare have 2 home games in round robin this year.
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Post by keane on May 21, 2018 18:00:04 GMT
It's an absolute no brainer that the GAA ought to change the terms of the season ticket to avoid this utter farce that the number of opposition fans can cause a team to have to forfeit home advantage.
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2018 19:15:11 GMT
Waterford are doing up Walsh Park but when completed it will still only hold about 18000. That will hardly be enough for a big game against Cork or Tipp in the round robin. Whats going to happen. They are hardly going to have to concede home advantage Cusack park has a smaller capacity and Clare have 2 home games in round robin this year. Clare are at home to Waterford on the 27th May and at home to Limerick in 17th June. It will be interesting to see will demand exceed capacity especially if both are in the hunt for one of the top 3 spots in Munster
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Post by skybluezone on May 21, 2018 20:26:52 GMT
It's an absolute no brainer that the GAA ought to change the terms of the season ticket to avoid this utter farce that the number of opposition fans can cause a team to have to forfeit home advantage. Totally agree. They should say something now before season tickets are renewed for 2019.
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Post by kerrygold on May 21, 2018 21:54:29 GMT
This is a Dublin issue. The rest of the season ticket holders around the country don't have to be punished to solve a Dublin problem.
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Post by glengael on May 22, 2018 8:19:35 GMT
Best wishes to Rena Buckley on her retirement. Some commitment and dedication to her career. When you consider that Cork male players managed at most 2 senior All Irelands in their careers 1989/1990, hers is some achievement.
(and yes, yes, history fans, I know male Cork dual players won Hurling and Football medals- JBM, Jack Lynch etc but I don't think any of them reached her medal count either).
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Post by buck02 on May 22, 2018 10:21:17 GMT
It's an absolute no brainer that the GAA ought to change the terms of the season ticket to avoid this utter farce that the number of opposition fans can cause a team to have to forfeit home advantage. Totally agree. They should say something now before season tickets are renewed for 2019. They could change the rules for Dublin season ticket holders by removing an away game they have in Leinster from the attendance requirements for AI Final tickets or something like that (basically give them 2 opt outs). But I doubt the GAA would change things just to suit Dublin, would they?
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Post by kerrygold on May 22, 2018 14:47:51 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 22, 2018 16:16:25 GMT
Nice dig at Brolly and Spillane too.
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Post by kerrygold on May 22, 2018 20:38:01 GMT
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Post by Premier on May 22, 2018 21:36:23 GMT
Fair play to him. I don’t think he is trying to sensationalise the situation like Jordan is suggesting. He sounds like a man who was sick of getting no ball when he played inside forward for Tyrone and is voicing legitimate concerns going forward
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Post by kerrygold on May 23, 2018 7:58:04 GMT
Fair play to him. I don’t think he is trying to sensationalise the situation like Jordan is suggesting. He sounds like a man who was sick of getting no ball when he played inside forward for Tyrone and is voicing legitimate concerns going forward It is still interesting, we haven't seen a questioning of Harte before now in the media like this.
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Post by kerrygold on May 29, 2018 8:00:46 GMT
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