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Post by bannerman on Mar 26, 2018 20:48:52 GMT
What was full champ team named on terrace talk Tuned in late and only got forwards Sean Shea James donoghue daithi casey Clifford donaghy geaney
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 20:58:31 GMT
That is some forward line. Completely crazy, we would be destroyed.
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Post by Premier on Mar 26, 2018 21:00:16 GMT
What was full champ team named on terrace talk Tuned in late and only got forwards Sean Shea James donoghue daithi casey Clifford donaghy geaney Christ if that was the forwards they named you would really wonder about some lads on that panel. 4 inside forwards and 2 centre forwards in one forward line, we’d be conceding scores galore
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Post by bannerman on Mar 26, 2018 21:09:02 GMT
We might be better off not known backs so !!! They had killian and enright in corners with Foley at 3 So just missing keeper, half back and midfield
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 26, 2018 21:20:54 GMT
If we start with Enright corner back this year then thats it- I'll have abandoned all hope in Fitzmaurice
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 26, 2018 21:59:40 GMT
On terrace talk John Kennedy mentioned Mark Griffin as a possible partner for Jack Barry in midfield with David Moran who is struggling for fitness as back up. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea, could Mark Griffin be our version of a Michael Darragh Macauley? Power, pace, energy and hitting everything that moves. Barry and Griffin would give us plenty of legs with speed and power in midfield. Something we could definitely try out in the Munster championship. Mark Griffin would not have the stamina for starting midfield. David Moran when he gets going is still one of the best midfielders in the country. But Mark Griffin could be a good option in midfield off the bench. Imagine him powering through a tired defence in the last 10 or 15 minutes of a game!
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Post by john4 on Mar 26, 2018 22:12:03 GMT
There's a massive amount of improvement needed in defence for the summer,or we're going nowhere. Were it not for the fact that the four people at the helm of squad must have nearly 20 all-Ireland medals between them, I would have little faith in them. The amount of scores conceded in the last 12 months is frightenly high. They must see this and it has to stop as a priority. I think we are trying too much to develop this type of flamboyant attacking full back line, if we just focus on stopping the other guys of scoring we might do far better.
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Post by taggert on Mar 26, 2018 22:27:07 GMT
While I get it that Mark Griffin is relatively quick and strong, in all my years seeing him for club and county I have NEVER seen him display the ball carrying poise or the passing precision (off hand or foot) that would make him an option at midfield. Anytime I have seen him make a burst he has either ran down a blind alley before being turned over, lost possession thru poor passing or lost control through a poor solo.
Its not going to happen.
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Post by taggert on Mar 26, 2018 22:30:33 GMT
kerrybhoy06, must agree re Enright. He looks done of it to me - did last year and does this year. He cant get tight enuf, he cant turn quick enough and his passing is dangerous. I think we need to move on with the younger lads as he is not going to improve - he is on the slide.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 26, 2018 22:43:40 GMT
We don't seem to have any plan or pattern of play which is a big worry after 5 seasons.
Dublin move it through the lines and from side to side to create one on ones.
Mayo build from the back with a hard running half back line. And draw defenders before giving dink balls into the full fowrward line or playing on an over lapping half back
Galway defend deep and break fast. A pure counter attacking team. Tipp do something similar.
Tyrone defend in numbers but move the ball slowly up the field almost crab like, hoping to force a mistake.
Donegal have morphed into a team that play fast direct ball in.
What is our style?
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 26, 2018 23:03:47 GMT
An interesting league giving us a few pointers.Every league campaign gives us a glimpse of what management are thinking.
And what they are thinking of is one game and one game only and that is vs Dublin. This was evident by plan A and plan Z against Mayo last year. In the drawn game Kerry really underestimated Mayo and in the reply did the opposite. Minds were on a Dublin clash not Mayo in the build up.
I could be 100% wrong but from what I've seen
-Shane Murphy will start in goals.
-We will play with a deep sitting centre back a la Cian O'Sullivan.
-Kerry will have at least two hard running dogs of war in the fwd line. Kevin Mc and Adrian Spillane are likely.
-Young guns like Gavin Crowley, Seanie O Shea, David Clifford, Jason Foley, Michael Burns and B.O'B will play big parts this year. Ronan Shan should too but his form fell off a cliff this time last year and he fouls too much.
-2018 will see a return to 2013 style blitz vs Dublin if we get to play them. This time we've a better squad.
-Jack Barry to dominate midfield (and win an All Star) along with a rejuvenated David Moran.
-Kerry will either crash and burn disastrously or win the all Ireland. It's all or nothing.
-This forum will go beserk either way.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 27, 2018 7:55:38 GMT
I think Burns is a definite starter in the half-forward line. Personally I don't see why Killian Young should walk back on to the 15.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 8:17:52 GMT
I think Burns is a definite starter in the half-forward line. Personally I don't see why Killian Young should walk back on to the 15. I dont see young as a starter he is too light for the full back line and too similar to murphy in the halves. Also Donaghy at ff have we learnt nothing from the replay against mayo? I hope that team picked above doesnt become a reality!
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Post by keane on Mar 27, 2018 8:35:01 GMT
Despite a poor league campaign I'm sure everyone can agree that Paul Geaney is one of our real Rolls Royce players. I think Donaghy at 14 curtails him badly.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 27, 2018 8:37:06 GMT
An interesting league giving us a few pointers.Every league campaign gives us a glimpse of what management are thinking. And what they are thinking of is one game and one game only and that is vs Dublin. This was evident by plan A and plan Z against Mayo last year. In the drawn game Kerry really underestimated Mayo and in the reply did the opposite. Minds were on a Dublin clash not Mayo in the build up. I could be 100% wrong but from what I've seen -Shane Murphy will start in goals. -We will play with a deep sitting centre back a la Cian O'Sullivan. -Kerry will have at least two hard running dogs of war in the fwd line. Kevin Mc and Adrian Spillane are likely. -Young guns like Gavin Crowley, Seanie O Shea, David Clifford, Jason Foley, Michael Burns and B.O'B will play big parts this year. Ronan Shan should too but his form fell off a cliff this time last year and he fouls too much.
-2018 will see a return to 2013 style blitz vs Dublin if we get to play them. This time we've a better squad. -Jack Barry to dominate midfield (and win an All Star) along with a rejuvenated David Moran. -Kerry will either crash and burn disastrously or win the all Ireland. It's all or nothing. -This forum will go beserk either way. He was close to being Man of the Match in the league final last year.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 27, 2018 9:22:39 GMT
I see that 37 players were used in the 7 games this year.
I agree with other posters saying we dont seem to have a definitive system or plan, in a defensive or attacking sense.
But really it would be virtually impossible to work on these systems and plans with so many players and so many games in a short period of time.
While I'm not overly optimistic for our chances this summer, April, May and June can be used to fine-tune a few systems of play with the finished panel.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 27, 2018 9:32:19 GMT
Despite a poor league campaign I'm sure everyone can agree that Paul Geaney is one of our real Rolls Royce players. I think Donaghy at 14 curtails him badly. Would agree with this. PG became marginalised at no 13 last summer to some degree.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 27, 2018 9:36:11 GMT
I see that 37 players were used in the 7 games this year. I agree with other posters saying we dont seem to have a definitive system or plan, in a defensive or attacking sense. But really it would be virtually impossible to work on these systems and plans with so many players and so many games in a short period of time. While I'm not overly optimistic for our chances this summer, April, May and June can be used to fine-tune a few systems of play with the finished panel. Systems are developed over time not during April, May and June. DC aside pretty much all the players in this years NFL have been around the panel. There is no discernible plan developing which is disconcerting. Of course something entirely different could be going behind closed doors. I'd be dubious of that however.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 27, 2018 9:45:35 GMT
I see that 37 players were used in the 7 games this year. I agree with other posters saying we dont seem to have a definitive system or plan, in a defensive or attacking sense. But really it would be virtually impossible to work on these systems and plans with so many players and so many games in a short period of time. While I'm not overly optimistic for our chances this summer, April, May and June can be used to fine-tune a few systems of play with the finished panel. Systems are developed over time not during April, May and June. DC aside pretty much all the players in this years NFL have been around the panel. There is no discernible plan developing which is disconcerting. Of course something entirely different could be going behind closed doors. I'd be dubious of that however. Which leads to the question what exactly James Weldon is adding to the set-up? I've seen nothing resembling the Dublin / basketball type plays.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 10:18:33 GMT
I think we all share the same reservations but we will have to be patient, if we still see the same problems in 3/4 months time then there will be serious pressure on EF. For now i personally will keep faith and hope to see plan(s) unfolding when it matters namely the super8s thats the acid test
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 27, 2018 10:55:10 GMT
kerrybhoy06, must agree re Enright. He looks done of it to me - did last year and does this year. He cant get tight enuf, he cant turn quick enough and his passing is dangerous. I think we need to move on with the younger lads as he is not going to improve - he is on the slide. I’m not sure what the amount of roastings you can get before being dropped is but he must be dangerously close to it
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 27, 2018 12:42:05 GMT
I wouldn't be giving up on Shane just yet. He is a north Kerry man after all cut from the same cloth as deenihan, kennelly, Galvin, Breen, Flaherty.
EF said something along the lines that exposing the full back line was a necessary evil when clogging up the middle third. That was the gist anyway.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 27, 2018 13:14:14 GMT
Well this is against the general consensus on here but I'd be happy enough with the league. No other team used as many young lads as Kerry did. We now have far more options than last summer and that's a real success in my book. I see Kerry number 2 behind Dublin and I'd expect Kerry to make a final or semi if we meet Dublin.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 14:22:35 GMT
Well this is against the general consensus on here but I'd be happy enough with the league. No other team used as many young lads as Kerry did. We now have far more options than last summer and that's a real success in my book. I see Kerry number 2 behind Dublin and I'd expect Kerry to make a final or semi if we meet Dublin. Id say mayo are slightly ahead even tho the league was rough for them a lot will depend on that battle with galway in may the winner of that should be in good fettle semi is a minimum seen as we avoid the dubs unless we end up with galway mayo and tyrone in the super8s then its a lottery
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 27, 2018 14:23:25 GMT
I wouldn't be giving up on Shane just yet. He is a north Kerry man after all cut from the same cloth as deenihan, kennelly, Galvin, Breen, Flaherty. EF said something along the lines that exposing the full back line was a necessary evil when clogging up the middle third. That was the gist anyway. Good post Mick - I would say "Quarried from the same Granite".
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 27, 2018 15:26:26 GMT
I wouldn't be giving up on Shane just yet. He is a north Kerry man after all cut from the same cloth as deenihan, kennelly, Galvin, Breen, Flaherty. EF said something along the lines that exposing the full back line was a necessary evil when clogging up the middle third. That was the gist anyway. Good post Mick - I would say "Quarried from the same Granite". Point of Order - I dont think Kerry is know for its granite!!! North Kerry is mainly Limestone and Shale with some Sandstone - more Sandstone and slate in South Kerry.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 27, 2018 15:37:22 GMT
And plenty of Radon Gas
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Post by dc84 on Mar 27, 2018 15:38:38 GMT
Good post Mick - I would say "Quarried from the same Granite". Point of Order - I dont think Kerry is know for its granite!!! North Kerry is mainly Limestone and Shale with some Sandstone - more Sandstone and slate in South Kerry. Hewn from the same shale doesnt have the same ring to it!
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 27, 2018 16:57:38 GMT
Corner forward was often thought of as a lonely furrow on poor performing teams, I'm not sure what corner back must feel like in the current Kerry defensive setup.........................
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 27, 2018 17:32:59 GMT
I think Burns is a definite starter in the half-forward line. Personally I don't see why Killian Young should walk back on to the 15. I dont see young as a starter he is too light for the full back line and too similar to murphy in the halves. Also Donaghy at ff have we learnt nothing from the replay against mayo? I hope that team picked above doesnt become a reality! Paul Geaney top-scored that day with Donaghy setting up a rake of scores. I would put our psychological approach far higher than the deployment of Donaghy on the list of culprits the second day out.
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