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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 24, 2018 18:07:20 GMT
To be honest what faith I have in the management has been diminished each year
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 24, 2018 19:36:18 GMT
Our last three minor keepers, Ryan, Courtney, and Uosis, all play outfield at club, district, and colleges level. Rathmore have a very good keeper in Pauric McCarthy, while Shane is one of their main scorers up front. His clubman Kenneth O'Keeffe also played up front for Rathmore while minor keeper for Kerry - it wasn't an issue then. He has never hidden the fact that he much prefers playing outfield. Why should he sacrifice his enjoyment of the game at club level? He owes Kerry nothing. Incidentally, a lad named Stephen Cluxton regularly plays up front at club level. Neither Shane nor Eamonn are at fault here. Eamonn is looking for a commitment that Shane, quite rightly, isn't willing to give. Incidentally, while I do think that Kerry need to do a lot of work on kickouts strategy (I accept that others disagree, but I was honestly amazed at the lack of movement on kickouts in the Kildare game - Shane appeared to be the only one ready to take a quick option) I think we have two very good keepers already. It's unreasonable of EF to expect Shane to play in goals for his club as a condition of getting a shot at being the Kerry keeper so I don't agree with you when you say that EF is blameless.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 24, 2018 20:03:11 GMT
Agreed. It is petty and needlessl if true. Paul Galvin didn't play any club football in 2015.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 24, 2018 20:11:57 GMT
Agreed. It is petty and needlessl if true. Paul Galvin didn't play any club football in 2015. If true.....We have no idea if it is.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 24, 2018 21:25:47 GMT
Our last three minor keepers, Ryan, Courtney, and Uosis, all play outfield at club, district, and colleges level. Rathmore have a very good keeper in Pauric McCarthy, while Shane is one of their main scorers up front. His clubman Kenneth O'Keeffe also played up front for Rathmore while minor keeper for Kerry - it wasn't an issue then. He has never hidden the fact that he much prefers playing outfield. Why should he sacrifice his enjoyment of the game at club level? He owes Kerry nothing. Incidentally, a lad named Stephen Cluxton regularly plays up front at club level. Neither Shane nor Eamonn are at fault here. Eamonn is looking for a commitment that Shane, quite rightly, isn't willing to give. Incidentally, while I do think that Kerry need to do a lot of work on kickouts strategy (I accept that others disagree, but I was honestly amazed at the lack of movement on kickouts in the Kildare game - Shane appeared to be the only one ready to take a quick option) I think we have two very good keepers already. It's unreasonable of EF to expect Shane to play in goals for his club as a condition of getting a shot at being the Kerry keeper so I don't agree with you when you say that EF is blameless. It is a dilemma and there is no right answer here as such. EF is judged on how well the county team does and he must do all in his power to make sure he gets the best results - to serve that purpose if he thinks a team candidate should play in goals for his club then EF must state that preference. The final decision then lay with the player, does he want to maximise his potential worth to the county team and yes, it is a bit cruel but life can be like that. What I am hearing here is typical of the complexity and challenge in managing a team that many of us often overlook.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Mar 24, 2018 22:05:51 GMT
Giving Shane Ryan an ultimatum on where he has to play for his club is nonsensical. Given the fact that the Kerry Senior panel barely play with their clubs anymore. Some players would line out as little as 2-3 times a year in some cases.
40% of inter county keepers around the country play outfield with their clubs.......Stephen Ckuxton, Paddy O Rourke, Rory Beggin just to name a few. Some might argue that it benefits their goal keepeing game in other ways.
The ironic thing is in relation to Shane Ryan, if he was on the kerry panel and he played 8 club games in a year. Most likely the bulk of those would come in the months of sept, oct, nov.....when Kerry would be finished championship
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 24, 2018 22:32:39 GMT
Speaking of Paul Galvin, I heard a few whispers during the week that he has been involved in helping out with a few training sessions? How true that is who knows 😏😏😏😁
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Post by Fado on Mar 25, 2018 1:56:33 GMT
Some pure shyte being posted here by some senior members re goalkeepers, I will offer my own opinions but they are not definitive, saying any player is the best in the county in any position is rubbish. There has been a clamour in recent years to give youth a chance, finally the wish has been granted, lots of different players are being given a chance. Go easy, there is no need to panic!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 5:05:31 GMT
Some pure shyte being posted here by some senior members re goalkeepers, I will offer my own opinions but they are not definitive, saying any player is the best in the county in any position is rubbish. There has been a clamour in recent years to give youth a chance, finally the wish has been granted, lots of different players are being given a chance. Go easy, there is no need to panic! What are senior members?
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 25, 2018 7:18:03 GMT
Some pure shyte being posted here by some senior members re goalkeepers, I will offer my own opinions but they are not definitive, saying any player is the best in the county in any position is rubbish. There has been a clamour in recent years to give youth a chance, finally the wish has been granted, lots of different players are being given a chance. Go easy, there is no need to panic! For what it's worth, I think your opinions as expressed above are very reasonable apart from the first sentence. There is no need to be disrespectful of "senior members" posts when all opinions expressed would appear to be honestly held. There is no problem disagreeing with each other as long as we do it agreeably.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2018 8:10:49 GMT
Johnny Buckley in the full forward line is an interesting experiment. He is the type of tidy skillful player, with an eye for a score that could perform in that confined space. The only thing he is lacking is that yard of pace. Mark Griffin in the half-back line? I scratch my head when I hear people talking about his speed. What evidence is there that he has anything of the sort? To my eye anyway, Mark’s greatest weakness is his lack of pace and if he has to turn and track runners he will be exposed. He runs out of steam very quickly too and that would be especially alarming as a half-back. Come Championship, I would be amazed if he is a halfback option. Hope I’m wrong though. With regard to the goalie rotation, why do some find that so unusual in the League? I fully agree with An Bradán Feasa’s common sense reasoning. I too would like to see Shane Murphy get the No 1 shirt when it gets serious. Please provide any evidence from this league campaign that Shane Murphy is a better option than Brian Kelly.i certainly don't have any evidence or stats. I would truly love to believe that he could operate at a fraction of the ingenuity if the most influential player in football since jacko is Cluckston.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2018 8:22:00 GMT
Remind me---- Who is the ref.? Maurice Deegan. Celebrity ref
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 25, 2018 8:38:12 GMT
Johnny Buckley in the full forward line is an interesting experiment. He is the type of tidy skillful player, with an eye for a score that could perform in that confined space. The only thing he is lacking is that yard of pace. Mark Griffin in the half-back line? I scratch my head when I hear people talking about his speed. What evidence is there that he has anything of the sort? To my eye anyway, Mark’s greatest weakness is his lack of pace and if he has to turn and track runners he will be exposed. He runs out of steam very quickly too and that would be especially alarming as a half-back. Come Championship, I would be amazed if he is a halfback option. Hope I’m wrong though. With regard to the goalie rotation, why do some find that so unusual in the League? I fully agree with An Bradán Feasa’s common sense reasoning. I too would like to see Shane Murphy get the No 1 shirt when it gets serious. Please provide any evidence from this league campaign that Shane Murphy is a better option than Brian Kelly.i certainly don't have any evidence or stats. I would truly love to believe that he could operate at a fraction of the ingenuity if the most influential player in football since jacko is Cluckston. He didn't give away away a 45 from his own kickout for starters. Shanes kickouts are better, quicker, more accurate and not just hoofed up the field.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 25, 2018 9:30:26 GMT
Please provide any evidence from this league campaign that Shane Murphy is a better option than Brian Kelly.i certainly don't have any evidence or stats. I would truly love to believe that he could operate at a fraction of the ingenuity if the most influential player in football since jacko is Cluckston. He didn't give away away a 45 from his own kickout for starters. Shanes kickouts are better, quicker, more accurate and not just hoofed up the field. So how come we only won 10 of our 24 kickouts against Kildare?
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Post by taibhse on Mar 25, 2018 9:58:00 GMT
Look, all any of us have are opinions. I would rate Brian Kelly as equally as good a shot stopper as Shane Murphy. Thereafter, Murphy would be ahead of Kelly in everything I know from watching both playing with Club and County. I have no wish to belittle any player and I am not doing so, but I feel Kelly, on the big days when playing with Kerry, panics under pressure and has done so repeatedly. He lost me anyway after that 45 last year against Mayo. Now he wasn’t the only one responsible for that disaster. To say it was a systems failure would be a misnomer because there wasn’t any system. During this League campaign, Murphy has not done himself any favors either - which is why people are so exercised about the availability of Shane Ryan. I remain in the Murphy camp because I can’t believe that we’ll go into another campaign without a proper restart strategy as well as a properly prepared game plan. Supporters are entitled to expect that the team is properly prepared - no more and no less. If management doesn’t get it right this Championship there will be wigs on the green.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 25, 2018 12:38:05 GMT
He didn't give away away a 45 from his own kickout for starters. Shanes kickouts are better, quicker, more accurate and not just hoofed up the field. So how come we only won 10 of our 24 kickouts against Kildare? Is he expected to kick it out and win it himself too? Look at the options out the field for blame regarding winning the kickouts.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2018 14:01:08 GMT
Please provide any evidence from this league campaign that Shane Murphy is a better option than Brian Kelly.i certainly don't have any evidence or stats. I would truly love to believe that he could operate at a fraction of the ingenuity if the most influential player in football since jacko is Cluckston. He didn't give away away a 45 from his own kickout for starters. Shanes kickouts are better, quicker, more accurate and not just hoofed up the field. We're you at Kildare game? He was very poor and stats back it
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2018 14:10:37 GMT
Ambrose sounds like he had a few last night!!
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 25, 2018 14:13:10 GMT
Really hope Daithi Casey proves me wrong. He's going the right way about it
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Post by Joxer on Mar 25, 2018 14:47:42 GMT
We at least have a plan for kickouts today....but with a goalkeeper who constantly ditters and unable to implement. Low confidence or insufficient ability I don’t know but frustrating to watch. Outfield players getting frustrated with him also.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 25, 2018 14:49:29 GMT
So how come we only won 10 of our 24 kickouts against Kildare? Is he expected to kick it out and win it himself too? Look at the options out the field for blame regarding winning the kickouts. I presume you were not at the Kildare game if you think Shane Murphy was blameless for all the the kickouts we lost. Were the outfield players responsible for the 2 he kicked out over the sideline against Dublin? I'm not a fan of Kelly either but I see no evidence that Murphy has a better kickout in a Kerry Jersey.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 25, 2018 14:55:55 GMT
Cluxton often kicks one over the sideline. Its a necessary evil of trying to find a colleague out near the siddline
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 25, 2018 15:57:24 GMT
Dead runner of a game today but the same problem is there when run at and at this stage it’s going to remain I’m afraid😕😕😕
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Post by dc84 on Mar 25, 2018 15:59:57 GMT
Anyone at the game? Any positives to report? Glad that league is over it was tough watching at times always bound to be i suppose!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 25, 2018 16:11:38 GMT
Picking out only one detail here How many more 45 does David have to miss before we give the duties to someone else . David is one of our Key players but come on long overdue time to try some else here for these 45. S Going by the Radio commentary Cormac Coffe played well and Killian Spillane landed some good frees Mark Griffin featured a lot
Let’s compile all we have learned now over the last few months and come up with a strategy for the championship
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Post by clarinman on Mar 25, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
Picking out only one detail here How many more 45 does David have to miss before we give the duties to someone else . David is one of our Key players but come on long overdue time to try some else here for these 45. S Going by the Radio commentary Cormac Coffe played well and Killian Spillane landed some good frees Mark Griffin featured a lot Let’s compile all we have learned now over the last few months and come up with a strategy for the championship Hopefully we'll have Sean o Shea to take 45s come championship time.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 25, 2018 16:41:15 GMT
Did i hear right - has Gary O'Sullivan actually stepped down from commentary with Radio Kerry too after today? I knew Gary had decided to take a step back from presenting weekend support but i thought he was going to continue doing some live match commentary. Gary has been at this a long time and good luck to the man. As Radio Kerry match commentators go, I thought Gary was easily the best of them.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 25, 2018 16:48:51 GMT
Did any of the "rested" Kerry players play county league today? Adrian Spillane was listed as a sub in the Templenoe legion game but didn't play.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 25, 2018 16:54:02 GMT
Did any of the "rested" Kerry players play county league today? Adrian Spillane was listed as a sub in the Templenoe legion game but didn't play. Barry John played with Kerins O’Rahillys , scored 1-02.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 18:02:59 GMT
A few initial thoughts
- interesting to see us try something different on kick outs. Tyrone did eventually negate it but it is something to improve and refine in the coming months with a different keeper - we could not cope with tyrones running game - foley struggled initially but did ok at times - Coffey impressed. While he made mistakes, he showed a real desire that was missing elsewhere - Casey was gassed after 40 minutes but showed good quality - Buckley did some good things but unsurprisingly does not have the instincts of a full forward. I think this was a one off thing - our forwards were very poor in the 2nd half. A number of them did not take their chance to shine.
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