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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 20:57:26 GMT
I don't think lack of pace is a major issue with this current team. The ability of the backs to be physical without giving away frees is an issue however. Most of Our defenders would not be the tallest or biggest and to stop their man they end up fouling needlessly. Morley coming back is a must, it would also be good to see more of the two gavins.
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Post by beantownfan on Mar 14, 2018 21:16:42 GMT
I don't think lack of pace is a major issue with this current team. The ability of the backs to be physical without giving away frees is an issue however. Most of Our defenders would not be the tallest or biggest and to stop their man they end up fouling needlessly. Morley coming back is a must, it would also be good to see more of the two gavins. Some of the 'tackling' is astonishing.. And size or physicality should not be an excuse. The amount of times you see Kerry defenders putting a hand on a lad's shoulder, grabbing a jersey, or holding a forward's passing hand is unbelievable, and this has been going on for years. I can't figure out how the defenders are not better drilled in this area. Any big game against Dublin that we've lost we've given up 6 or 8 points to frees. Our defence is too porous at the moment - as others have stated I'd give Griffin a run at #6, he has pace and power, and while I love Peter Crowley's physicality - he does seem to be trying to lay down markers more than he should.
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Post by bomberliston on Mar 14, 2018 21:48:24 GMT
I think we all need this game to come around asap, especially after last Sunday....
Isn't a win enough for Kerry? Isn't relegation based on head-to-heads rather than points difference/scored?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Mar 14, 2018 21:51:43 GMT
Kerry have had 3 consecutive All-Ireland Junior winning teams.
Are there any backs that haven't been tried from them?
On the subject of the Junior side Tomás Ó Sé looked very impressive last year. Has he been around the senior panel this year?
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2018 22:27:55 GMT
I think we all need this game to come around asap, especially after last Sunday.... Isn't a win enough for Kerry? Isn't relegation based on head-to-heads rather than points difference/scored? We arent going against kildare re relegation its tyrone donegal and mayo that we should be worried about
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Post by bomberliston on Mar 14, 2018 23:25:31 GMT
I think we all need this game to come around asap, especially after last Sunday.... Isn't a win enough for Kerry? Isn't relegation based on head-to-heads rather than points difference/scored? We arent going against kildare re relegation its tyrone donegal and mayo that we should be worried about Ignoring Tyrone and Mayo (for now). Fact is, Kerry just need to beat Kildare to ensure survival. If Kerry beat Kildare, they are on 6 points with 1 round remaining. Kildare will be on 0 points, with 2 points available in last round. If Donegal were to win their final 2 matches, they would finish on 6 points. Final table could end up as below... Kerry.......6 pts ----------------- Donegal...6 pts (Kerry pip Donegal on head-to-head) Kildare....2 pts
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 14, 2018 23:57:26 GMT
I don't think lack of pace is a major issue with this current team. The ability of the backs to be physical without giving away frees is an issue however. Most of Our defenders would not be the tallest or biggest and to stop their man they end up fouling needlessly. Morley coming back is a must, it would also be good to see more of the two gavins. Some of the 'tackling' is astonishing.. And size or physicality should not be an excuse. The amount of times you see Kerry defenders putting a hand on a lad's shoulder, grabbing a jersey, or holding a forward's passing hand is unbelievable, and this has been going on for years. I can't figure out how the defenders are not better drilled in this area. Any big game against Dublin that we've lost we've given up 6 or 8 points to frees. Our defence is too porous at the moment - as others have stated I'd give Griffin a run at #6, he has pace and power, and while I love Peter Crowley's physicality - he does seem to be trying to lay down markers more than he should. [ Well said , look we are all looking for percentages where we can improve even marginally . We look for improvement where ever we can get it we are looking at our defense and consensus here agrees that we need to get more disciplined . Take a look at the Irish Rugby team who tackle ferociously and effectively but give away less penalties that nearly every other team in the world, that’s down to coaching and discipline and making this a priority. But I honestly believe there’s is even more percentages for improvement in the scoring department between points and goals against Dublin how many scores did we miss out on including missed Frees or misdirected ones ? Posters here think just becsuse we are from kerry we can score naturally that’s a fallacy ,we are no longer the leaders in this department why because we don’t work on it and it shows !!. I don’t just mean the 6 forwards think what it would have done for us the past few years if Morley s shots went over.?? every player including our wing backs and even corner backs need to be able to score Think if Moran and Maher could contribute more in the scoring Dept Fenton and McCauley would become defenders at least for a few minutes. The good news for Kerry is we have seriously huge room for improvement at both ends of the field we also need to get the Ref on side to make the field less of a war Zone so we can actually play football and not be be fending of the maulers and wrestlers all the time seriously . One play last week stands out for me and that’s the line ball that Burns took after Cluxton was forced out over the sideline in the second half. Unlike Paddy Cullen in 78 Cluxton was not worried about “the cake in the oven” and casually jogged back Why did Michael Burns not drive the ball down their throats while we had the numerical advantage inside ? But instead our brilliant youngster kicked backfield tamely when we were in serious need of a score! I’m not questioning Burns because I think he has been a seriously good find that has few equals in the country at ball carrying but the mindset of the collective or the management in the second half Remember 75 fortune favors the brave,
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Post by clarinman on Mar 15, 2018 7:22:33 GMT
We arent going against kildare re relegation its tyrone donegal and mayo that we should be worried about Ignoring Tyrone and Mayo (for now). Fact is, Kerry just need to beat Kildare to ensure survival. If Kerry beat Kildare, they are on 6 points with 1 round remaining. Kildare will be on 0 points, with 2 points available in last round. If Donegal were to win their final 2 matches, they would finish on 6 points. Final table could end up as below... Kerry.......6 pts ----------------- Donegal...6 pts (Kerry pip Donegal on head-to-head) Kildare....2 pts Head to head doesn't count if 3 or more teams are level on points. It could end up with Kerry, Donegal along with Mayo and/or Tyrone, Monaghan on 6 points. Then it's down to score difference and we currently have the worst score difference.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 15, 2018 8:19:05 GMT
Ignoring Tyrone and Mayo (for now). Fact is, Kerry just need to beat Kildare to ensure survival. If Kerry beat Kildare, they are on 6 points with 1 round remaining. Kildare will be on 0 points, with 2 points available in last round. If Donegal were to win their final 2 matches, they would finish on 6 points. Final table could end up as below... Kerry.......6 pts ----------------- Donegal...6 pts (Kerry pip Donegal on head-to-head) Kildare....2 pts Head to head doesn't count if 3 or more teams are level on points. It could end up with Kerry, Donegal along with Mayo and/or Tyrone, Monaghan on 6 points. Then it's down to score difference and we currently have the worst score difference. That was my point its in our hands anyway hopefully we can win the next two games and that would count as a successfull league in my view
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Post by bomberliston on Mar 15, 2018 8:51:00 GMT
Head to head doesn't count if 3 or more teams are level on points. It could end up with Kerry, Donegal along with Mayo and/or Tyrone, Monaghan on 6 points. Then it's down to score difference and we currently have the worst score difference. That was my point its in our hands anyway hopefully we can win the next two games and that would count as a successfull league in my view Ahhhh....I didn't realise this. Well, that makes things a little more complicated. But a win will go a long way towards safety!
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Post by glengael on Mar 15, 2018 9:24:43 GMT
We need to concentrate on winning this and pay no heed to other results. Winning home games was crucial this year and after the Galway fiasco, there needs to be a determined, organised and focused effort on Sat night to collect 2 points. Regardless of personnel, they need to come out and, to use the old cliche, impose themselves in a positive way- take their scores not pass the parcel and show some semblance of defensive plan.
I don't think it's too much to ask.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 15, 2018 9:39:24 GMT
Some of the 'tackling' is astonishing.. And size or physicality should not be an excuse. The amount of times you see Kerry defenders putting a hand on a lad's shoulder, grabbing a jersey, or holding a forward's passing hand is unbelievable, and this has been going on for years. I can't figure out how the defenders are not better drilled in this area. Any big game against Dublin that we've lost we've given up 6 or 8 points to frees. Our defence is too porous at the moment - as others have stated I'd give Griffin a run at #6, he has pace and power, and while I love Peter Crowley's physicality - he does seem to be trying to lay down markers more than he should. [ Well said , look we are all looking for percentages where we can improve even marginally . We look for improvement where ever we can get it we are looking at our defense and consensus here agrees that we need to get more disciplined . Take a look at the Irish Rugby team who tackle ferociously and effectively but give away less penalties that nearly every other team in the world, that’s down to coaching and discipline and making this a priority. But I honestly believe there’s is even more percentages for improvement in the scoring department between points and goals against Dublin how many scores did we miss out on including missed Frees or misdirected ones ? Posters here think just becsuse we are from kerry we can score naturally that’s a fallacy ,we are no longer the leaders in this department why because we don’t work on it and it shows !!. I don’t just mean the 6 forwards think what it would have done for us the past few years if Morley s shots went over.?? every player including our wing backs and even corner backs need to be able to score Think if Moran and Maher could contribute more in the scoring Dept Fenton and McCauley would become defenders at least for a few minutes. The good news for Kerry is we have seriously huge room for improvement at both ends of the field we also need to get the Ref on side to make the field less of a war Zone so we can actually play football and not be be fending of the maulers and wrestlers all the time seriously . One play last week stands out for me and that’s the line ball that Burns took after Cluxton was forced out over the sideline in the second half. Unlike Paddy Cullen in 78 Cluxton was not worried about “the cake in the oven” and casually jogged back Why did Michael Burns not drive the ball down their throats while we had the numerical advantage inside ? But instead our brilliant youngster kicked backfield tamely when we were in serious need of a score! I’m not questioning Burns because I think he has been a seriously good find that has few equals in the country at ball carrying but the mindset of the collective or the management in the second half Remember 75 fortune favors the brave, I takw what you are saying about scoring more. But, its all about balance. If we conceded less we wouldn't have to score as much. Every team is going to miss chances its just whether they were stupid shots to be taking in the first place. The conversion rate from our half backline isnt great but, I would rather they could stop the runners coming through than kick a few points. As for the midfielders kicking points. It all comes back to the system. Do we really want a midfielders knocking around about 30 yards from the scoring zone living gaps right down our center. Anything from over 45 yards out from a midfielder is 50/50 at best. We need to go a little more defensive or even defend better but do it in a clever way while still maximizing our return. Below is what i posted on the Kerry Mayo replay thread last year. Looking at the stats how did however thing we were going to get away with that selection? Could not disagree with that. I agree, let's not kid ourselves. This game was lost long before we reached Croke Park this Summer. I have no issue with the tactics used on the first day as we didn't put the time into developing a sweeper system. ( that's another days argument). We decided that our defence would do reasonably well against Mayo and we would score more at the other end. The only problem was that when each and every one of our full back line got roasted instead of changing personnel as the tactic of we'll score more than you was sort of working on day one we couldn't. Instead of swapping out a few of the full back line or even rejigging the defence we couldn't. Eamonn looks to the bench and see Johnathan Lyne who is not an intercounty back. Fionn who has been roasted in the previous game against Galway. And Tom O'Sullivan who he gave a few minutes to in the league. No Foley or Shannahan that he could have given championship minute's to against cork or clare. Instead he abandons his forward centred philosophy and drops James and plays a sweeper. The only real problem is James and Geaney contribute the bulk of our scores. On averages what has Buckley scored in games over his career in the championship? 2 points per game. D Walsh a point per game? O'Brien a point per game? Donaghy a point per game? Geaney 5 points per game at a push? So we expected to beat Mayo with out starting forwards scoring based on average 10 points per game? And limit Mayos starters to less. The issue isn't the sweeper as such it's the removal of James to facilitate it
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Post by eastkerry28 on Mar 15, 2018 10:16:56 GMT
I recently listened to an interview on the radio with donnacha walsh stating he was looking forward to getting back amongst the team. eamon was interviewed after the dublin game on radio Kerry where he stated donnacha is not coming back? Any one shed light on this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 10:44:12 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys.
More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes.
Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 15, 2018 13:30:09 GMT
I recently listened to an interview on the radio with donnacha walsh stating he was looking forward to getting back amongst the team. eamon was interviewed after the dublin game on radio Kerry where he stated donnacha is not coming back? Any one shed light on this. Think EF was referring to Donncha not coming back in the short term, as in he would not be back for Kildare game.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 15, 2018 13:35:55 GMT
I recently listened to an interview on the radio with donnacha walsh stating he was looking forward to getting back amongst the team. eamon was interviewed after the dublin game on radio Kerry where he stated donnacha is not coming back? Any one shed light on this. Think EF was referring to Donncha not coming back in the short term, as in he would not be back for Kildare game. Donnchadh not coming back
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 15, 2018 14:02:09 GMT
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 15, 2018 18:46:02 GMT
[ Well said , look we are all looking for percentages where we can improve even marginally . We look for improvement where ever we can get it we are looking at our defense and consensus here agrees that we need to get more disciplined . Take a look at the Irish Rugby team who tackle ferociously and effectively but give away less penalties that nearly every other team in the world, that’s down to coaching and discipline and making this a priority. But I honestly believe there’s is even more percentages for improvement in the scoring department between points and goals against Dublin how many scores did we miss out on including missed Frees or misdirected ones ? Posters here think just becsuse we are from kerry we can score naturally that’s a fallacy ,we are no longer the leaders in this department why because we don’t work on it and it shows !!. I don’t just mean the 6 forwards think what it would have done for us the past few years if Morley s shots went over.?? every player including our wing backs and even corner backs need to be able to score Think if Moran and Maher could contribute more in the scoring Dept Fenton and McCauley would become defenders at least for a few minutes. The good news for Kerry is we have seriously huge room for improvement at both ends of the field we also need to get the Ref on side to make the field less of a war Zone so we can actually play football and not be be fending of the maulers and wrestlers all the time seriously . One play last week stands out for me and that’s the line ball that Burns took after Cluxton was forced out over the sideline in the second half. Unlike Paddy Cullen in 78 Cluxton was not worried about “the cake in the oven” and casually jogged back Why did Michael Burns not drive the ball down their throats while we had the numerical advantage inside ? But instead our brilliant youngster kicked backfield tamely when we were in serious need of a score! I’m not questioning Burns because I think he has been a seriously good find that has few equals in the country at ball carrying but the mindset of the collective or the management in the second half Remember 75 fortune favors the brave, I takw what you are saying about scoring more. But, its all about balance. If we conceded less we wouldn't have to score as much. Every team is going to miss chances its just whether they were stupid shots to be taking in the first place. The conversion rate from our half backline isnt great but, I would rather they could stop the runners coming through than kick a few points. As for the midfielders kicking points. It all comes back to the system. Do we really want a midfielders knocking around about 30 yards from the scoring zone living gaps right down our center. Anything from over 45 yards out from a midfielder is 50/50 at best. We need to go a little more defensive or even defend better but do it in a clever way while still maximizing our return. Below is what i posted on the Kerry Mayo replay thread last year. Looking at the stats how did however thing we were going to get away with that selection? I agree, let's not kid ourselves. This game was lost long before we reached Croke Park this Summer. I have no issue with the tactics used on the first day as we didn't put the time into developing a sweeper system. ( that's another days argument). We decided that our defence would do reasonably well against Mayo and we would score more at the other end. The only problem was that when each and every one of our full back line got roasted instead of changing personnel as the tactic of we'll score more than you was sort of working on day one we couldn't. Instead of swapping out a few of the full back line or even rejigging the defence we couldn't. Eamonn looks to the bench and see Johnathan Lyne who is not an intercounty back. Fionn who has been roasted in the previous game against Galway. And Tom O'Sullivan who he gave a few minutes to in the league. No Foley or Shannahan that he could have given championship minute's to against cork or clare. Instead he abandons his forward centred philosophy and drops James and plays a sweeper. The only real problem is James and Geaney contribute the bulk of our scores. On averages what has Buckley scored in games over his career in the championship? 2 points per game. D Walsh a point per game? O'Brien a point per game? Donaghy a point per game? Geaney 5 points per game at a push? So we expected to beat Mayo with out starting forwards scoring based on average 10 points per game? And limit Mayos starters to less. The issue isn't the sweeper as such it's the removal of James to facilitate it Good analysis for sure got to have the right players on at the right time but I like a greater range of players that can score points to only way to hurt the opposition. If we are deciding to commit jack Barry and David Moran as holding /defensive midfielders then that’s a white flag that allows McCauley and Fenton nothing to do only attack all afternoon Jack Barry only has to get forward a few times score and keep the opposition honest
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 15, 2018 23:13:59 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys. More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes. Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points. Not sure Daithi is good enough for this level. Mike Geaney certainly isnt
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Post by Fado on Mar 15, 2018 23:28:02 GMT
This is the perfect game for Daithi to show what he can do at this level, it's wouldn't be a risky choice for management either.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 15, 2018 23:36:59 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys. More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes. Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points. Not sure Daithi is good enough for this level. Mike Geaney certainly isnt Yet Daithi is arguably the best halfforward playing club football at the minute yet not good enough for the county team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 16, 2018 8:46:13 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys. More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes. Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points. Not sure Daithi is good enough for this level. Mike Geaney certainly isnt This isn't a hill I am willing to die on or anything like that, but what is the evidence supporting the view that Casey is not good enough?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 9:20:52 GMT
Not sure Daithi is good enough for this level. Mike Geaney certainly isnt This isn't a hill I am willing to die on or anything like that, but what is the evidence supporting the view that Casey is not good enough? It appears Deise Exile has arrived at an opinion of Casey without any evidence to back this up, I have previously questioned him/her on it but to no avail. Perhaps it just stems from a dislike of Crokes or a member of The Nire.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 16, 2018 9:24:53 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys. More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes. Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points. Kildare have been terribly unluckly not to get points from a few of their games. While i expect kerry to win, i dont expect it to be comfortable and if Sean o Shea isnt playing things could get tricky.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 16, 2018 9:45:02 GMT
Not sure Daithi is good enough for this level. Mike Geaney certainly isnt This isn't a hill I am willing to die on or anything like that, but what is the evidence supporting the view that Casey is not good enough? How will we know if he isnt given a chance? While i would have concerns about his pace at i.c. level i think he is excatly what this young team need hes physical good game management and a very good footpasser. The least the man deserves is a couple of starts if hes not up to it so be it.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 16, 2018 10:16:49 GMT
Kerry will beat Kildare comfortably - Kildare are a pretty poor side - let's be honest here guys. More about getting a performance and some younger guys game time - would like to see Daithi Casey start this one see how he goes. Think the result will take care of itself by 5-6 points. Kildare have been terribly unluckly not to get points from a few of their games. While i expect kerry to win, i dont expect it to be comfortable and if Sean o Shea isnt playing things could get tricky. Our biggest problem with this game would be complacency but after the last three matches that should be in short supply. Don't discount Kildare. They have a manager who knows us well and will want something to show for their time in Division One. Remember how a struggling Cavan almost beat us this time last year. Not only do I hope and expect us to win this but we must win. I have no stomach for going down the road to Omagh next weekend chasing survival.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 16, 2018 12:51:18 GMT
I severely doubt we will take kildare lightly while they arent great they do have a good running game which we are very weak on counteracting. Was anyone at the glenbeigh crokes game Darren o sullivan played well by all accounts?
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 16, 2018 16:09:58 GMT
I've been disappointed with O'Beaglaoich so far. Might be a case that he needs a break after An Ghaeltacht's run but he's not impressing at the moment.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 16, 2018 21:25:38 GMT
Team for Kildare game.
1 Shane Murphy Dr. Crokes
2 Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht
3 Jason Foley Ballydonoghue
4 Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks
5 Paul Murphy Rathmore
6 Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7 Fionn Fitzgerald (Captain) Dr. Crokes
8 Jack Barry Na Gaeil
9 Barry O’Sullivan Dingle
10 Micheál Burns Dr. Crokes
11 Dáithí Casey Dr. Crokes
12 Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin
13 David Clifford Fossa
14 Paul Geaney Dingle
15 Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys
Fir Ionaid:
16 Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
17 Adrian Spillane Templenoe
18 David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
19 Michael Geaney Dingle
20 Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
21 Matthew Flaherty Dingle
22 Tom O’Sullivan Dingle
23 Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore
24 Johnny Buckley Dr. Crokes
25 Killian Spillane Templenoe
26 Cormac Coffey Kerins O’Rahillys
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Post by veteran on Mar 16, 2018 21:45:12 GMT
Looking at that back line can we really afford having three players of limited stature in that defence.
Overall, once more EF displays his penchant for retaining a certain cohort of players on the panel come what may.
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