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Post by kerrygold on Mar 12, 2018 10:21:54 GMT
This is a must win game now and even at that the last round could still be a relegation dogfight in Omagh. The exposure to these pressure situations will be good for the development of the young players.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 12, 2018 11:44:37 GMT
Kildare on 0 and Donegal on 2 are below us in the table. Of the three sides on 4 points we have the worst scoring difference and are therefore bottom of the three.
Donegal (-11) have Monaghan and Mayo to play. Kerry (-13) have Kildare and Tyrone. Mayo (-4) have Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone (-3) have Mayo and Kerry.
A win on Saturday should leave Kerry close to being safe but we will know more when the other results come in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 14:51:31 GMT
So 4 points could be enough?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 12, 2018 22:09:58 GMT
What sort of a team are we expecting here? Wud think Moran cud start in midfield with jack Barry . Wud like to see mark griffin been tried at 6 too
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 13, 2018 2:01:50 GMT
What sort of a team are we expecting here? Wud think Moran cud start in midfield with jack Barry . Wud like to see mark griffin been tried at 6 too Yes Mark Griffin at 6 with Macho man at 3 Possibly giving Foley at run at 2 or 4
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 13:57:55 GMT
Macho man continuously in trouble with ref's - rubbing them up the wrong way at this stage
Could be sat down on the bench for a while with Mark Griffin tried at 6? I would leave Foley at 3 - it is all learning for him and he's been doing pretty well
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Post by dc84 on Mar 13, 2018 14:36:11 GMT
Agree think foley should be persisted with at 3. Griffins physical attributes are needed in the half back line think murphy and beaglaoich are 2 similar to play in the same line wont happen tho
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 13, 2018 16:42:54 GMT
Jeez why are we calling people macho man on here?
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 13, 2018 19:05:52 GMT
There are plenty of unpleasant and unworthy names used to insult and stigmatize our players on other forums, I pray that we show our own men the respect they deserve and refer to them in an appropriate and respectful way. These guys put a lot on the line and sacrifice so much to wear that jersey so the minimum they deserve from their own is to be called by their given name.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 13, 2018 19:22:34 GMT
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Post by veteran on Mar 13, 2018 19:53:56 GMT
There are plenty of unpleasant and unworthy names used to insult and stigmatize our players on other forums, I pray that we show our own men the respect they deserve and refer to them in an appropriate and respectful way. These guys put a lot on the line and sacrifice so much to wear that jersey so the minimum they deserve from their own is to be called by their given name. Well said . Who is macho man?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 13, 2018 20:25:56 GMT
If we were Dubs on Hill 16 we could all be singing this next match
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 13, 2018 21:06:44 GMT
There are plenty of unpleasant and unworthy names used to insult and stigmatize our players on other forums, I pray that we show our own men the respect they deserve and refer to them in an appropriate and respectful way. These guys put a lot on the line and sacrifice so much to wear that jersey so the minimum they deserve from their own is to be called by their given name. Well said . Who is macho man? Well what Kerry Player displays most Machismo? Peter of course. I use the term Macho Man as a term of endearment and I’m sure Peter was called a lot worse last Sunday . I happen to be a huge fan of Peter and I wish we had four or five more like him but I rather he got the ball rather than the man sometimes . I rather we got the turnover ball that’s really my point I think the big hits are a distraction at this stage a huge crowd pleaser of course but John o Keefe would have got man and ball but turnover ball is a priority without fouling We are still not disciplined at the back the emphasis is the man over the ball resulting in the lack of good ball going to our attack and the continued concession of needless soft frees as was evidenced again Sunday where Foley and Fitzgerald had the forward well wrapped up only to over do and foul 14 yards out again I think therefore that there is a culture of Machismo going unabated and it’s costing us because I still believe we can beat Dublin playing football but we can’t beat them in a dog fight . I would work on shooting and scoring more and hard clinical tackling But less of the Macho please .
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 13, 2018 23:25:21 GMT
Good point Collinsworth re the shooting/scoring. Last Sunday in Croke park was the first time I had seen Kerry concentrate on hand-passing and keep ball in the training drill routines, and very little kicking at goal during the warm up. Meanwhile, The Dubs were kicking at goal most of the time......
Re the tackling - there is surely one ex Kerry player around who can teach them the art of tackling - Moynihan for instance. Mike Mc, Tom O S. Plenty to choose from. Or else phone the Desmonds lad currently on holidays in Mayo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 23:31:55 GMT
Looking ahead to the weekend. I am assuming Geaney and Sean o shea will not be available. It would good to see daithi Casey get a start and hopefully Steven o Brien is available again. Moran may also come back in. In the backs, the options are not great. Mark griffin has been on the bench the last few games. If he does not play this weekend, he might as well leave the panel. Fionn might play also. He is the captain so they may feel he should at least get a game or two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 23:34:01 GMT
Well said . Who is macho man? Well what Kerry Player displays most Machismo? Peter of course. I use the term Macho Man as a term of endearment and I’m sure Peter was called a lot worse last Sunday . I happen to be a huge fan of Peter and I wish we had four or five more like him but I rather he got the ball rather than the man sometimes . I rather we got the turnover ball that’s really my point I think the big hits are a distraction at this stage a huge crowd pleaser of course but John o Keefe would have got man and ball but turnover ball is a priority without fouling We are still not disciplined at the back the emphasis is the man over the ball resulting in the lack of good ball going to our attack and the continued concession of needless soft frees as was evidenced again Sunday where Foley and Fitzgerald had the forward well wrapped up only to over do and foul 14 yards out again I think therefore that there is a culture of Machismo going unabated and it’s costing us because I still believe we can beat Dublin playing football but we can’t beat them in a dog fight . I would work on shooting and scoring more and hard clinical tackling But less of the Macho please . Great, just need to work on scoring more and better tackling. Easy😂😂
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 14, 2018 0:03:51 GMT
Well what Kerry Player displays most Machismo? Peter of course. I use the term Macho Man as a term of endearment and I’m sure Peter was called a lot worse last Sunday . I happen to be a huge fan of Peter and I wish we had four or five more like him but I rather he got the ball rather than the man sometimes . I rather we got the turnover ball that’s really my point I think the big hits are a distraction at this stage a huge crowd pleaser of course but John o Keefe would have got man and ball but turnover ball is a priority without fouling We are still not disciplined at the back the emphasis is the man over the ball resulting in the lack of good ball going to our attack and the continued concession of needless soft frees as was evidenced again Sunday where Foley and Fitzgerald had the forward well wrapped up only to over do and foul 14 yards out again I think therefore that there is a culture of Machismo going unabated and it’s costing us because I still believe we can beat Dublin playing football but we can’t beat them in a dog fight . I would work on shooting and scoring more and hard clinical tackling But less of the Macho please . Great, just need to work on scoring more and better tackling. Easy😂😂 Yes our shooting /scoring as evidenced last Sunday was very poor It’s obvious we have very little work done at all in this area substantiated by meathexile above on his observation of the difference of emphasis in the warm up where we hardly worked on the most obvious putting the ball over the bar Whereas it was a big part of the Dubs warm up maybe that’s way too simple an explaination but it’s a good start .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 0:53:39 GMT
There is no maybe about it😂
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 14, 2018 6:28:49 GMT
Well said . Who is macho man? Well what Kerry Player displays most Machismo? Peter of course. I use the term Macho Man as a term of endearment and I’m sure Peter was called a lot worse last Sunday . I happen to be a huge fan of Peter and I wish we had four or five more like him but I rather he got the ball rather than the man sometimes . I rather we got the turnover ball that’s really my point I think the big hits are a distraction at this stage a huge crowd pleaser of course but John o Keefe would have got man and ball but turnover ball is a priority without fouling We are still not disciplined at the back the emphasis is the man over the ball resulting in the lack of good ball going to our attack and the continued concession of needless soft frees as was evidenced again Sunday where Foley and Fitzgerald had the forward well wrapped up only to over do and foul 14 yards out again I think therefore that there is a culture of Machismo going unabated and it’s costing us because I still believe we can beat Dublin playing football but we can’t beat them in a dog fight . I would work on shooting and scoring more and hard clinical tackling But less of the Macho please . You used it as a term of endearment but want less of the macho? You should prob proof read what you type- you were using the term as an attempt at a pointless ironic insult. I’m not sure where are you picking up such crap and humourless attempts at nicknames from (macho man is possibly one of the sh*test attempts at ironic humour I’ve heard) but I’d imagine you should leave it there
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 14, 2018 6:36:24 GMT
There are plenty of unpleasant and unworthy names used to insult and stigmatize our players on other forums, I pray that we show our own men the respect they deserve and refer to them in an appropriate and respectful way. These guys put a lot on the line and sacrifice so much to wear that jersey so the minimum they deserve from their own is to be called by their given name. Well said . Who is macho man? You see Peter Crowley put in a few heavy tackles the last day and the dubs were whinging about it so someone has now criticised him macho man- it’s really hilarious when you think about it. You’ll have to try extra hard to keep up with this level of razor sharp wit
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Post by Fado on Mar 14, 2018 9:21:31 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 14, 2018 9:23:27 GMT
I have that exact lad at home- does a great jumping trick when you push the top part of the body down- precious memories
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Post by buck02 on Mar 14, 2018 9:39:03 GMT
Great, just need to work on scoring more and better tackling. Easy😂😂
The better tackling thing would be easy if we hadnt shipped Donie Buckley off to Mayo. I believe the scoring side of it wont be too much of an issue in the summer with a forward line that will include Paul Geaney, James O Donoghue, David Clifford, Seanie O Shea. Its the goalkeeper and backs situation that urgently need to be sorted out. And when I say urgently, I mean 3 years ago.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2018 10:16:23 GMT
My team for kildare fpr what its worth very impressed with mcarthy as i was last year think a forward line of burns,o shea,mcarthy,clifford,geaney,JOD is as good as any in the country 1.murphy 2.shanahan 3.foley 4.enright 5.p.murphy 6.griffin 7.p.crowley 8.barry 9.moran 10.burns 11.k.mcarthy 12.casey 13.k.spillane 14.clifford 15.SOB if fit
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 14, 2018 16:17:49 GMT
My team for kildare fpr what its worth very impressed with mcarthy as i was last year think a forward line of burns,o shea,mcarthy,clifford,geaney,JOD is as good as any in the country 1.murphy 2.shanahan 3.foley 4.enright 5.p.murphy 6.griffin 7.p.crowley 8.barry 9.moran 10.burns 11.k.mcarthy 12.casey 13.k.spillane 14.clifford 15.SOB if fit Forwards aren't the problem. Its sorting out a defence that are as porous as a sieve. As someone else said Clm Parkinson gave a great analysis of it on his podcast. We are going no where until we develop some sort of defensive system. Going man on man with more physically imposing players isn't working. We have had a problem with runners coming through the middle all through Eamonns terms and probably before it. We can't be depending on outscoring every opponent. At the moment unless we at least break even in the midfield battle we are in trouble. We badly need a strong defender that can read the play in at centre back. Knowing when to drop off etc. That when the likes of Micael Darragh come flying down the middle can give and take a hit and stop the momentum. Then its incumbent on one of the midfielders to drop back in the pocket left by the centre back and bottle up the space. Do we at the moment have the players with enough game intelligence to do this? Murphy would be ideal to be the centre back that drops off but, he is too small. Crowley is too rash in the tackle. I don't know if Mark Griffin could do it either as he was constantly out of position when at full back so I don't know he can do it. Buckley is big enough and strong enough and is a fantastic tackler. Only downside is he has no pace and is not a back.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2018 16:20:31 GMT
To be honest I think our game, in particular our defence, is predicated on a dominant midfield.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2018 16:44:43 GMT
I was trying to be positive! But i do agree on the defence im not blind! Very interesting on buckley never considered him as a sweeper. Morley or gavin crowley could be options here also i think we have to either A. Play a sweeper or B.a thrid midfielder/auxilary chb. We have conceded 9 goals in 5 games scary stuff
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 14, 2018 16:47:38 GMT
I'd like to see someone else given a go at corner back ahead of Enright- even for a game or two
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Post by buck02 on Mar 14, 2018 17:35:51 GMT
The truth is not one of the current backs on the panel would have got on the team 10 years ago. The defence is the main problem and I can see no improvements whatsoever in the last few years.
Individually our backs display one or a combination of the following traits: too slow, poor positioning, poor tackling, poor over their head, stupid fouling, too rash, too timid, too small, too light. Most of these things can be improved IF they are been recognised as problems.
I do sometimes wonder what exactly they do in training - but there is no evidence that tackling/defensive formations/collective defending is part of the remit. Maybe when the panel is settled there will be more work on these aspects of the game but I wouldnt hold my breath.
IMO it was a huge mistake not to bring Tommy Griffin into the set-up in the place of one or two others this year.
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Post by millbank on Mar 14, 2018 17:38:05 GMT
Am not sure that setting up with sweeper is the answer. Our problems with top teams, is lack of pace in middle 8, and lack of workrate from full forward line. As already outlined these problems are masked, when our midfield dominant. I think we have to play more zonal defence system , with half forwards playing deeper, and play a very mobile 15 tracking in half forward line. Our minors under Peter Keane have been very successful with similar system.
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