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Post by Mickmack on Mar 10, 2018 11:44:54 GMT
In the past 30 years we have seen Paisley and McGuinness morphing into the chuckle brothers, a black US President, Trump, Brexit. Splitting Dublin isnt so far fetched after all of that.
If the didnt want it to become inevitable, wouldnt they start turning off the funding. Why do they want Dublin to get stronger and stronger...the only credible explanation is to make the case for a split up stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 12:33:13 GMT
I see no reason to split Dublin. So another 20 players get the chance to play intercounty football, big deal.
Allowing Dublin enter a b team in the championship would make their a team even stronger. They would have a constant supply of players with championship experience coming on to their main team.
The GAA just need to level the playing field financially.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 10, 2018 23:14:58 GMT
Looking at the resources Dublin have at their disposal it is clear something has to be done. So far this year Dublin have used a panel of close to 90(!!!) players between the league and the O'Byrne cup. At a time when some counties are happy to have 22 players fit for a league squad. Add to that the amount of money available to Dublin for nutritionists, coaches, trainers, facilities and so on, and so on. Then look at the logistics in Dublin making it easier for players to travel to training and games and add to that the job opportunities and the colleges. Dublin players and prospects don't have to study or work on the other side of the country and that is a huge plus. The sheer number of players involved in the GAA in Dublin is overwhelming. Only Cork have more players, but they don't have the other advantages. I agree that Dublin should not be split. To do so would kill the appeal of the GAA in the county that keeps us all afloat. Dublin generate so much money for the GAA that it is perhaps fitting they see some rewards. I'm also young, or old, enough to remember when there was little GAA in Dublin to be seen and to have youngsters run around in English sacar jerseys, not the sky blue of Dublin. Walking through impoverished areas in Dublin the sense of pride in this Dublin team is obvious and for many in the capital it is what makes their lives a little bit more worthwhile. Growing up in the 80s a young lad in Dublin would have known little bit unemployment and drugs, in the 90s it was the madness of the tiger and the boom and they could often only look at the excesses and the wild spending by the rich in the same city. It is perhaps unfair to say rugby and cricket are the sports for the rich in Dublin and soccer is the sport for the poor, but the stereotype does have a ring of truth. The GAA has found its way into all communities in Dublin thanks to the success of the last decade. To split Dublin would mean the end of Dublin GAA and the end of Dublin will be the end of the GAA as we know it. Does anyone in Dublin want to support South Dublin or Dublin west? It would make sense to use the administrative counties, but would Fingal and Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown get any support at all? Look at the support for Fingal hurling and we have our answer. Dublin city would probably never win a title in football or hurling either. A north and south Dublin team would currently mean that we are likely to see a final between two Dublin teams. Who wants that? Looking at other sports I think Dublin should have A, B and C teams. Dublin have a population almost 25 times larger than counties like Mayo and even worse if you look at Tyrone or Offaly. There should be clear rules though about who can play for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd teams though otherwise they will just use the best players for the 1st team and the other teams as development squads moving players in and out of the 1st team as they seem fit. It is clear something needs to be done. The GAA spent years developing Dublin, and they needed to, but now we have a monster that won't go away anytime soon. 34 lines on the topic, a few nice sound bites and sorry but a huge amount of ignorance about Dublin .
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 10, 2018 23:41:14 GMT
I see no reason to split Dublin. So another 20 players get the chance to play intercounty football, big deal. Allowing Dublin enter a b team in the championship would make their a team even stronger. They would have a constant supply of players with championship experience coming on to their main team. The GAA just need to level the playing field financially. I'd agree, something had to be done to stop the smaller counties dropping of the face of the earth. There has to be proper funding, but to be honest it will only be paying lip service. Has there ever been a level playing field. Will Longford, Leitrim or Waterford ever win an All All Ireland in football . Have they less of a chance now because of Dublin winning niw than they did during Kerry's dominance. I guess the irony for Dublin supporters is that when we were winning nothing , there was no outcry about the snall counties not bring able to compete. The championship structure is flawed and always has been. Dublin population understandably is a source of debate , but why only now. Their is definitely proper debate to be had. There is no Doubt we have advantages . Travel for training certainly helps , Homes games in Croker can be an advantage .To dispute this is sticking your head in the sand. But there is also a reluctance to acknowledge that funding aside this is a very good Dublin team drawn from 2011 minors and 2011 seniors. This team has serious steel. Logic would say they should of slipped at least once in their battles with Kerry and Mayo during 2015,2016 and 2017. At least once in those games the hunger should of dropped. But for all the talk of resources and size of squad. Jame's mc Carthy and Ciaran Kilkenny to name just two were the ever present guys driving Dublin on in the last minutes of the big games.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 11, 2018 9:46:30 GMT
The missed free to Crowley was a huge moment in the 2016 game when the gell in Goughs hair ran down into his eyes.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 14, 2018 9:22:29 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2018 12:19:33 GMT
A second tier football championship would be the death of football in weaker counties imho opinion for several reasons. 1.financial who will sponsor it? 2.who would sponsor a county team that would never be on tv.or get any media coverage whatsover? 3. Smaller counties dont, for the most part want it. 4.the exodus of players after the league would be even more pronounced. 5.i dont see how provincal councils would ever go for it as it would mean no more prov championships.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 14, 2018 13:07:06 GMT
A second tier football championship would be the death of football in weaker counties imho opinion for several reasons. 1.financial who will sponsor it? 2.who would sponsor a county team that would never be on tv.or get any media coverage whatsover? 3. Smaller counties dont, for the most part want it. 4.the exodus of players after the league would be even more pronounced. 5.i dont see how provincal councils would ever go for it as it would mean no more prov championships. Give the intermediate winner a place in the super eights?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2018 13:12:46 GMT
A second tier football championship would be the death of football in weaker counties imho opinion for several reasons. 1.financial who will sponsor it? 2.who would sponsor a county team that would never be on tv.or get any media coverage whatsover? 3. Smaller counties dont, for the most part want it. 4.the exodus of players after the league would be even more pronounced. 5.i dont see how provincal councils would ever go for it as it would mean no more prov championships. Worth pushing again: www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-how-i-would-reinvigorate-football-championship-1.2241993Something I never hear: why don't we run league and championship concurrently?
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Post by buck02 on Mar 14, 2018 14:38:37 GMT
A second tier football championship would be the death of football in weaker counties imho opinion for several reasons. 1.financial who will sponsor it? 2.who would sponsor a county team that would never be on tv.or get any media coverage whatsover? 3. Smaller counties dont, for the most part want it. 4.the exodus of players after the league would be even more pronounced. 5.i dont see how provincal councils would ever go for it as it would mean no more prov championships. Worth pushing again: www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-how-i-would-reinvigorate-football-championship-1.2241993Something I never here: why don't we run league and championship concurrently? Because at the moment you have inter-county games taking place every month from January to September. There is a theory that reducing the season down to say 4 months (which would be feasable) would result in reduced exposure of the games and handing the advantage to soccer and rugby that have 10 month seasons.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 14, 2018 15:06:02 GMT
Looking at how good the NFL has become over the past 5 years or so played on muck surfaces think what a competition it could become in April/May or June on dry pitches linked into the championship.
Playing scour tournaments in January with the colleges teams thrown into the pot for good measure is not the best way to be promoting Gaelic games. The January lark reeks of a not so fresh boiling offal pot.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 14, 2018 15:47:38 GMT
Because at the moment you have inter-county games taking place every month from January to September. There is a theory that reducing the season down to say 4 months (which would be feasable) would result in reduced exposure of the games and handing the advantage to soccer and rugby that have 10 month seasons. Not if the club and maybe even college games were marketed properly
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 14, 2018 17:20:36 GMT
The key to getting the Intermediate grade established is to make participation attractive enough - put money and profile behind it and make it bloody attractive. Which is more important to the health of the GAA - playing an u17 competition final on AI final day or having a senior B final. Put a €100,000 contribution to the holiday fund for the finalists - give automatic entry to the following years Super 8 to the winner. You get the picture - impossible to force counties to take part but if its attractive enough they will want to take part. For me the Super 8 should be the provincial winners plus the previous years Senior B winner with the remaining positions filled from final placing in the league. This is done and dusted by the end of June with the Super 8 run in tandem with a straight knock out senior B in July and the SF & F in August. TV package rights should be mixtures of both competitions ensuring media coverage of both competitions - if you want the big games you must give coverage to the Senior B games also - no cherry picking.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 14, 2018 17:28:53 GMT
Four counties looking for All-Ireland final day tickets would be a nightmare!!!!!
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2018 18:16:18 GMT
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Post by southward on Mar 15, 2018 17:57:58 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Mar 15, 2018 18:09:40 GMT
Lot of articles on this subject from lately from various counties not good. Cant wait for the intermediate and junior all irelands when this wont happen anymore😉.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 19, 2018 9:44:09 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2018 18:42:58 GMT
Free taking competition on Tg4 now to separate Clare and Limerick after 100 minutes of hurling
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2018 18:53:43 GMT
Both scored scored 5 out of 5 .
Sudden death now
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2018 18:58:10 GMT
Clare missed the 7th one
Limerick scored the 7th one
Limerick win.
In sudden death, it seemed you can go again if you had already taken one of the first five
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 19, 2018 19:02:51 GMT
Clare missed the 7th one Limerick scored the 7th one Limerick win. In sudden death, it seemed you can go again if you had already taken one of the first five Each team names 5 "freetakers" and they are the only ones who compete i.e once it goes to sudden death, it has to be one of the first 5.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2018 19:56:35 GMT
Thanks....didnt know that
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Post by southward on Mar 19, 2018 20:25:26 GMT
Free taking competition on Tg4 now to separate Clare and Limerick after 100 minutes of hurling Ah, the Gaelic Grounds, great place for an aul epic.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2018 10:50:11 GMT
I found the free taking boring, would a penalty shoot-out not be better?
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2018 22:07:55 GMT
Some schedule for July and August.
I love the idea of the semi finals in hurling on consecutive days and the same with football
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2pm Munster Hurling Final 4pm Leinster Hurling Final
7/8 July
All-Ireland Senior Football Round 4
14/15 July
All-Ireland Senior Football Quarter Finals Phase 1
15 July
All-Ireland Senior Hurling Quarter-Finals
21/22 July
All-Ireland Senior Football Quarter Finals Phase 2
All-Ireland Senior Hurling Relegation Play-off (If Required)
28 July
All-Ireland Senior Hurling Semi-Final
29 July
All-Ireland Senior Hurling Semi-Final (Replay 05/06.08.2018)
4/5/6 August
All-Ireland Senior Football Quarter Finals Phase 3 (Group 1 & 2)
11 August
All-Ireland Senior Football Semi-Final
12 August
All-Ireland Senior Football Semi-Final
19 August
All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Final
2 September
All-Ireland Senior Football Final
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Post by buck02 on Mar 21, 2018 8:57:04 GMT
I found the free taking boring, would a penalty shoot-out not be better? Of course it would but if they decided to have a penalty shootout you would hear the usual moaners out in force say they were copying soccer.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 21, 2018 9:02:07 GMT
This idealistic notion of the April club window is really eating into intercounty game time......................detrimentally!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 21, 2018 10:02:58 GMT
If it is the case that EF is always holding back some tactic for the Dubs I am starting to wonder is this holding back a good idea?
Perhaps I am being naive but I think it is far more positive to work with our options in plain sight and develop patterns of play in competitive matches rather than behind closed doors.
Others can probably expand on this point.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 21, 2018 11:10:57 GMT
I found the free taking boring, would a penalty shoot-out not be better? Of course it would but if they decided to have a penalty shootout you would hear the usual moaners out in force say they were copying soccer. I would prefer penalties. Keepers would love it i would say
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