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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 4, 2018 0:42:32 GMT
Call it what you like but it shows our boys will NOT be bullied out of it anyway. I would describe it as the stuff that the contributors on here normally complain about. PG to miss a simple fist over the bar and then stop the kick out... If someone did that to us we would be crying blue murder! So to not give out about it would be extremely hypocrisy. Mayo were great at keeping yere cynical fouling v Kerry in the semi final replay quiet last year, yet they cried rivers when Dublin did what had to be done. Again tonight, more crying instead of focusing on their own inability to score from play in the last 20 minutes against 13 men. Any football that was played tonight was played by kerry. Kerry"s superior finishing was the difference, not the cynicism. On that note, Mayo's Cillian O Connor went down holding his face when he was struck into the back/shoulder by Jack Savage. Johnny Cooper was called out by Horan over much the same last week. Horan silent on it tonight.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 4, 2018 1:15:45 GMT
Call it what you like but it shows our boys will NOT be bullied out of it anyway. I would describe it as the stuff that the contributors on here normally complain about. PG to miss a simple fist over the bar and then stop the kick out... If someone did that to us we would be crying blue murder! So to not give out about it would be extremely hypocrisy. If two fight, two are to blame. Mayo were awfully cynical too, but cuter about it.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 4, 2018 1:20:37 GMT
We were bullied last summer by Mayo do you think we were going to allow that happen again? Mayo can mix it just fine so go away with that rubbish your posting. There is a huge difference between not allowing yourself be bullied and the gamesmanship shown by Kerry this evening. Stopping play at every chance, stopping free kicks, kick outs. That belt that Coffey game O'Connor into the back was shaming, O'Connor was on his knees and a kerryman nailed him into the back! Come on lads, I'm all for Kerry winning and playing tough football but don't start condoning something Kerry have stood against for years, don't be hypocrites. Coming just after a similarly needless and hard belt by O'Connor on Coffey. Unfortunately the young Kerry lads haven't been taught how to do it on the sly like Mayo have.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 4, 2018 4:26:56 GMT
This game has become pure chaos and tonight we tried to give as good as we were getting The Gaa need to sort this out ,its out of control the hitting dragging taunting Both sides . I’m not sure if that machine gun rapid fire hand tackling is legal but it really works well for Mayo Play of the game was when Gavin Crowley blasted Tom Parsons back on his backside and man handled Aidan O Shea and drove forward all in the One move. Hindsight yes but playing Clifford Tonight was insanity hope his year is not over. Biggest Beef. Can some one tell Barry John Keane that kicking with the left leg is mandatory for underage club players how did BJ get this far and not hone this basic skill ?? So frustrating tonight on multiple occasions and last week against Donegal he had a clear goal chance on his left but refused to take it and ended up going inside with a crazy pass . Brilliant player only getting better but please BJ work on this basic one .
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Post by stevieq on Feb 4, 2018 8:54:24 GMT
How do you recognise 200 Kerrymen in amongst 12000 Mayonen.......... they’re the ones with the big fat, cat got the cream grins on their faces. Happy days.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 4, 2018 9:30:56 GMT
It was great to get the win yesterday evening, it was a performance that deserved a much more comfortable winning margin, however we will take it. It was alarming that our defence was opened up easily, yet again, for too many handy scores in the first half. We should have been out the gap at half time, however, defensive lapses cost us, again. It is a niggling worry. Imagine what a team with more dangerous forwards would have done to us last evening? I like Gavin Crowley a lot, he has lots to learn yes, however, he has a bit of cut in him and he has superb mobility. His discipline will improve with games and experience and he has made a decent impression in the 2 games thusfar. Paul Murphy was superb again last night and time and time again he rescued us in defence and set us up in attack. He's becoming indispensable. Midfield was a bit of an improvement on last week, there was a lot more cohesion there thanks to that partnership at colleges level. Seán O Shea was class again as was Paul Geaney. Geaney works so hard off the ball to get on the ball and his finishing last night (bar the fist pass scoring attempt) was superb. Mayo were mayo, aggressive, abrasive and full of endeavour. They were equalled in all of those areas last night. Mayo couldn't put away their opportunities into the wind in the 2nd half, we could. Mayo had a huge amount of regular on duty last night, had a great opportunity to drive on with a 2 man advantage late on. They couldn't do so and so Kerry were deserving victors. Our best start to a league campaign under Fitzmaurice?
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Post by Derek on Feb 4, 2018 9:53:13 GMT
Hard to understand the flack Eamonn is taking for now playing young players like David Clifford. Everyone was calling for him To start this year. The Kerry backroom team would have far more information on how his body was after the week. From what I could see he took a kick to the calf early in the game and coudlnt run it off. That could happen in training or any game for that matter.
Also people moaning about Sean O'shea not playing last year. It's clear Eamonn had him in for the year to physically develop which everybody can see worked. He clearly didnt want to rush him in and it's worked to date. He's now physically imposing as well as a fantastic footballer.
Also posters questioning Eamonn's record with young players could do well to look at his record with the school......
For me it was great to see the Kerry players looking after each other and especially the young lads. When Sean O'Shea missed the pen he was on the receiving end of plenty belts and reminders of the missed pen. For the past number of years that would have passed Kerry by, but last night they all jumped in to say your not going to bully us. People talk about Kerry being cynical but how cynical is it for 3 or 4 grown men to go in roaring at a young lad after missing a penalty. Last time I seen that was Martin Keown in the premier league.. ..
4 points on the board and 1 more win probably means div 1 football next year with a maybe a dozen debuts handed out while dealing with 19 absent players. Eamonn will be delighted as we all should be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 9:53:35 GMT
Any word on the Clifford injury?
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 4, 2018 10:00:36 GMT
The young guns might lack experience but the winning mentality they bring more than makes up for it - O'Beaglaoich, Barry O'Sullivan, & David Clifford have Hogan Cup and All Ireland minor medals, Jason Foley & Seán O'Shea have minor ones - winning becomes a habit, does not include panic and gives a swagger that only inspires - there was no panic at the back last night, we held the ball well, shielded it from our opponents and when the chance came, we broke up the pitch - Matthew Flaherty and Andrew Barry too made great contributions when introduced. A win in Castlebar over battle hardened opponents is a great fillip and puts down a marker to the absentees from the panel - many of those absentees have been great servants to the jersey but for some there may be no road back for 2018.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 4, 2018 11:11:49 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 4, 2018 11:20:54 GMT
It was great to get the win yesterday evening, it was a performance that deserved a much more comfortable winning margin, however we will take it. It was alarming that our defence was opened up easily, yet again, for too many handy scores in the first half. We should have been out the gap at half time, however, defensive lapses cost us, again. It is a niggling worry. Imagine what a team with more dangerous forwards would have done to us last evening? I like Gavin Crowley a lot, he has lots to learn yes, however, he has a bit of cut in him and he has superb mobility. His discipline will improve with games and experience and he has made a decent impression in the 2 games thusfar. Paul Murphy was superb again last night and time and time again he rescued us in defence and set us up in attack. He's becoming indispensable. Midfield was a bit of an improvement on last week, there was a lot more cohesion there thanks to that partnership at colleges level. Seán O Shea was class again as was Paul Geaney. Geaney works so hard off the ball to get on the ball and his finishing last night (bar the fist pass scoring attempt) was superb. Mayo were mayo, aggressive, abrasive and full of endeavour. They were equalled in all of those areas last night. Mayo couldn't put away their opportunities into the wind in the 2nd half, we could. Mayo had a huge amount of regular on duty last night, had a great opportunity to drive on with a 2 man advantage late on. They couldn't do so and so Kerry were deserving victors. Our best start to a league campaign under Fitzmaurice? Gavin's 'weakness' was typical of younger bodies v battle hardened veterans - despite not yet being a physical match for AO'6, Gavin won that match-up and also tagging on a brilliant goal - the two ends of a hoor as John B Keane would say and if you don't believe me ask AO'6 this morning! Gavin is indignant and doesn't bsuffer fools gladly, he will win matches for us, again, and like Declan O'Sullivan and Moynihan he is the guy you want to be with the ball at the death. That he can mix it is his greatest strength - imagine a lad taking down AO'6, the same AO'6 who was able to walk through teams when not tackled properly and that includes the Aussies, a might of a man and our wee Gav has the measure of him already - amazing! Quoting colinsworth1 above - Play of the game was when Gavin Crowley blasted Tom Parsons back on his backside and man handled Aidan O Shea and drove forward all in the One move.
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Post by glengael on Feb 4, 2018 11:35:13 GMT
Good attacking, very poor defending. Great result, but woeful shooting by Mayo was a huge factor. Great progress for February, but burnout for young players, especially with Sigerson, must be very carefully monitored. Love the home jersey. That away monstrosity? The last time something like that was fashionable was in San Francisco around 1957. Truly awful. I am going only on radio coverage but your comments would seem to concur with what I heard. A win in Mayo is always an achievement especially as they seemed to have a lot of established players on by the end. I wonder is there any significant new talent coming through in Mayo. If they are ever to move up, they will need it. 2 out of 2 is good. Another game on the road will be a challenge but such is the draw. I'd also agree with you himself, on that jersey. If it's supposed to be gold , why is it not the gold of the usual Kerry jersey. The colour they have now reminds me of something agricultural which I am far too polite to mention. RTE Sport went on autopilot last night, mentioning Mayo winning twice even when the reporter voicing clips of the game referred to a Kerry win. It wouldn't happen to the Dubs I can tell you..... And of more general interest Veteran, what did you make of 'Sive'?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 4, 2018 11:47:47 GMT
Mayos tactic has always been to try to antagonise and intimidate off the ball- and then to hit the deck at the slightest hint of a reaction
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Post by southward on Feb 4, 2018 11:53:22 GMT
Sounds like Mayo supporters alright. #refsfault #poorAidan
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Post by tpo on Feb 4, 2018 11:59:07 GMT
And of more general interest Veteran, what did you make of 'Sive'?
No sure about Veteran but I went during the week and surprised how good Tommy Tiernan was
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Post by ballintoy on Feb 4, 2018 12:52:06 GMT
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Post by southward on Feb 4, 2018 14:15:55 GMT
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Post by derry4sam on Feb 4, 2018 14:21:47 GMT
Hard to understand the flack Eamonn is taking for now playing young players like David Clifford. Everyone was calling for him To start this year. The Kerry backroom team would have far more information on how his body was after the week. From what I could see he took a kick to the calf early in the game and coudlnt run it off. That could happen in training or any game for that matter. Also people moaning about Sean O'shea not playing last year. It's clear Eamonn had him in for the year to physically develop which everybody can see worked. He clearly didnt want to rush him in and it's worked to date. He's now physically imposing as well as a fantastic footballer. Also posters questioning Eamonn's record with young players could do well to look at his record with the school...... For me it was great to see the Kerry players looking after each other and especially the young lads. When Sean O'Shea missed the pen he was on the receiving end of plenty belts and reminders of the missed pen. For the past number of years that would have passed Kerry by, but last night they all jumped in to say your not going to bully us. People talk about Kerry being cynical but how cynical is it for 3 or 4 grown men to go in roaring at a young lad after missing a penalty. Last time I seen that was Martin Keown in the premier league.. .. 4 points on the board and 1 more win probably means div 1 football next year with a maybe a dozen debuts handed out while dealing with 19 absent players. Eamonn will be delighted as we all should be. Best post on here in a long time... On an aside to this, Ambrose O'Donovan is extremely critical of this current management team in his commentary. I acknowledge it was always there but has really gone up a notch in recent times!
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Post by himself on Feb 4, 2018 14:45:54 GMT
The biggest issue with Sean O'Shea not playing last year was the way he was held from playing in a U21 County Final in order to sit on a bench with Kerry. That was ridiculous.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 4, 2018 16:05:27 GMT
As a Kerry supporter you'd have to be incredibly proud of a defiant performance from largely a bunch of youngsters, and I am! Well done to all involved.
Prior to this fixture, I thought we’d get a reality check when quite honestly I expected a more battle hardened and physically conditioned Mayo to maul us. How wrong I was? Not a bit of it, Kerry were absolutely ravenous for victory from start to finish. These youngsters have a bit of swagger about them too, epitomised by the young Gavin Crowley strutting around with his head up, not waiting for it to happen but making it happen. There were heroes all over the field and that's what is really heartening - it was a huge team effort.
We won’t get carried away and we know this is the dummy season with a lot of football to be played but the grounds for real optimism are growing. Last season Mayo put down a marker in the league against Kerry but last night Kerry left their calling card. The shoots and threat of a possible long term southern uprising to Dublin’s current pre-eminence of the gaelic football world won’t have gone unnoticed in the capital. Yes, there’s some football to be played in the meantime but Dublin will be anxious to repel the threat of our youngsters – it’s going to be some humdinger on March 3rd. Regardless, we’ve a long journey ahead and this team are only starting out – hard not to be excited.
PS: I’m halfway there on the away jersey, if it had a green trim and green shorts rather than black I’d be sold on it.
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Post by trevor73 on Feb 4, 2018 16:06:39 GMT
The exuberance of youth when unleashed with natural skills and an abundance of tenacity and character was a joy to see. They really took no prisoners and were not about to let Mayo physically intimidate them. Unlike the lacklustre affair from last years efforts this was a whole new ball game. I live in Mayo and while they are as loyal and passionate as they come they don’t half whine. Read the Mayo GAA blog as an example. This was as happy as I’ve been about a league win for a long time. In 1996 our tarmac around our house was painted red and green when we arrived home from our second half loss and and the local pub had a Kerry teddy hung from the roof my niece only a young girl gets bullied cause her Granddad is from Kerry and she loves the team. The hype here would sicken ya LOL They were convinced it was an easy win. In a local paper ex 1996 Mayo player John Casey gave us no chance. I didn’t expect a win either but Kerry are one team you write off at your peril I was so excited after last years National League win over Dublin but then youth was stifled and the old dog for the long road usurped them. I hope now Fitzmaurice lets them off the leash coupled with a few old heads to return. I’d hate to see Dublin match our four in a row and heaven forbid them going for five. Back to Gold last night and let’s hope it is the sign of a golden generation for another few golden years
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 4, 2018 16:11:38 GMT
Hard to understand the flack Eamonn is taking for now playing young players like David Clifford. Everyone was calling for him To start this year. The Kerry backroom team would have far more information on how his body was after the week. From what I could see he took a kick to the calf early in the game and coudlnt run it off. That could happen in training or any game for that matter. Also people moaning about Sean O'shea not playing last year. It's clear Eamonn had him in for the year to physically develop which everybody can see worked. He clearly didnt want to rush him in and it's worked to date. He's now physically imposing as well as a fantastic footballer. Also posters questioning Eamonn's record with young players could do well to look at his record with the school...... For me it was great to see the Kerry players looking after each other and especially the young lads. When Sean O'Shea missed the pen he was on the receiving end of plenty belts and reminders of the missed pen. For the past number of years that would have passed Kerry by, but last night they all jumped in to say your not going to bully us. People talk about Kerry being cynical but how cynical is it for 3 or 4 grown men to go in roaring at a young lad after missing a penalty. Last time I seen that was Martin Keown in the premier league.. .. 4 points on the board and 1 more win probably means div 1 football next year with a maybe a dozen debuts handed out while dealing with 19 absent players. Eamonn will be delighted as we all should be. Great post!
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Post by oldschool on Feb 4, 2018 16:23:43 GMT
Horrible pulling and dragging. Pitch was very heavy. Kerry played much better football. Shane Enright was good. Why was P. Geaney not allowed take the penalty?
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Post by Joxer on Feb 4, 2018 17:36:40 GMT
As others have pointed out, great post by Derek. I couldn't agree more with the content. Some of the whining on here about management would definitely be more at home on a Mayo forum. In Mayo, no blame ever seems to reside with the players. Its always managements fault. The comments about Liam Hassett also need to be dismissed for what they are. Slagging off one of our greats who wears his heart on his sleeve and who won't back away when he sees our players/team been 'ridden' by poor refereeing...be that ' the rules don't matter as long as I can make dramatic gestures and decisions' Gough or last nights guy who couldn't see the sledging going on in front of him, the retaliation to tackles etc.
On a more positive note, great to see the energy and togetherness of this Kerry team & panel, not to mention their obvious football ability and composure on the ball. One man I am often critical of, Shane Enright had I thought a good game last night, not least because his fantastic reaction to clear the ball off the line with the goalkeeper beaten. We're a work in progress obviously and kickouts and strategy around same have yet to be worked out. A small quibble on an excellent start to the new season. Onwards to Inishkeen!
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Post by stevieq on Feb 4, 2018 18:01:23 GMT
Paul Murphy playing like a man pocessed at the moment. Getting better and better.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 4, 2018 18:14:49 GMT
As others have pointed out, great post by Derek. I couldn't agree more with the content. Some of the whining on here about management would definitely be more at home on a Mayo forum. In Mayo, no blame ever seems to reside with the players. Its always managements fault. The comments about Liam Hassett also need to be dismissed for what they are. Slagging off one of our greats who wears his heart on his sleeve and who won't back away when he sees our players/team been 'ridden' by poor refereeing...be that ' the rules don't matter as long as I can make dramatic gestures and decisions' Gough or last nights guy who couldn't see the sledging going on in front of him, the retaliation to tackles etc. On a more positive note, great to see the energy and togetherness of this Kerry team & panel, not to mention their obvious football ability and composure on the ball. One man I am often critical of, Shane Enright had I thought a good game last night, not least because his fantastic reaction to clear the ball off the line with the goalkeeper beaten. We're a work in progress obviously and kickouts and strategy around same have yet to be worked out. A small quibble on an excellent start to the new season. Onwards to Inishkeen! Running onto the pitch and confronting the ref doesn’t help the cause- if anything it made gough more biased last year. He needs to be reined in because his behaviour is 100% to the detriment of the team
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2018 19:08:15 GMT
I'd say when Fitzmaurice delivered his message of the 3 keys things he wanted from last nights game, one of them would have been to stand up to Mayo and not let them dictate the physical stakes like they did last August. It needed to be done and it was done.
In fairness to the starting team and subs last night, I wouldnt say anybody had a bad game. In Jason Foley, Briain Begley, Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley, Peter Crowley (who am I forgetting?) we seem to have backs who will have the pace to live with Dublin's forwards come the summer. I would worry about them this year physically against Mayo and Dublin however.
Stephen O Brien was not happy being taken off and spent a good 20 seconds talking to Fitzmaurice before he made his way up the steps. BJK showed while he is still there or thereabouts on the starting 15, even though many people you'd talk to would be critical of him.
Mayo seemed not to know what to do with the extra man and Kerry just created a wall down the centre and were happy to let Mayo play down the wings if they wanted. One man who I thought really stood up and led when we were down to 13 was Paul Geaney. I was critical of his attitude last Sunday but I felt he stood up when needed in the 2nd half last night.
I see a few comments on management here. One thing I'd say is that Shanahan should have been replaced before he was sent off. Immediately after his yellow, he fouled again and was lucky not to be booked again. He should have been taken off after that free. On Hassett, he ran behind Shane Murphys goal at one stage, in what seemed to me an attempt to take the spare ball that was there. The ref cleared him. That was before his transgressions later on. If its not a deliberate tactic to have him in and about causing a bit of mayhem, then he needs to be reigned in IMO.
EDIT: The back I am forgetting is Gavin White
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 4, 2018 19:11:05 GMT
Paul Murphy playing like a man pocessed at the moment. Getting better and better. You know if we didn't have the system we have he would be my current Kerry captain and Paul Geaney wouldn't be far behind him.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 4, 2018 19:32:25 GMT
I know we are still euphoric after last nights performance Can someone name the Back s Midfield and Forward that will definitely get their place back for the championship I can’t see a way back for some going by last two games . And if it’s a close call between youth and experience we might just go with youth !
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2018 19:36:33 GMT
I know we are still euphoric after last nights performance Can someone name the Back s Midfield and Forward that will definitely get their place back for the championship I can’t see a way back for some going by last two games . And if it’s a close call between youth and experience we might just go with youth ! We should know at this stage that February is not a time for getting euphoric. Let that stuff to Mayo fans.
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