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Post by fealeside on Jan 16, 2018 22:57:47 GMT
Murt Murphy has it that Kerry are missing nearly 20 players for Donegal game. He reckons the two Barry's, Crowley, White and Cormac Coffey will all be playing.
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Post by mossie on Jan 16, 2018 23:27:03 GMT
Murt Murphy has it that Kerry are missing nearly 20 players for Donegal game. He reckons the two Barry's, Crowley, White and Cormac Coffey will all be playing. 20 seems a high call Fealeside?? cant wait to see White and Shane Murphy operating at the higher level and of course Clifford & O'Shea
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Post by fealeside on Jan 16, 2018 23:42:32 GMT
Murt Murphy has it that Kerry are missing nearly 20 players for Donegal game. He reckons the two Barry's, Crowley, White and Cormac Coffey will all be playing. 20 seems a high call Fealeside?? cant wait to see White and Shane Murphy operating at the higher level and of course Clifford & O'Shea No Donaghy, Griffin, Fitzgerald, Moran, Young, P Crowley, Morley, Walsh, D O'Sullivan, Maher, Buckley are the few he's named that will be missing. 19 in total he said. It's a lot alright. Sorry - he reckons White won't be available either. There was some press conference this evening so I assume this is where he got his information
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Post by A.N. Other on Jan 17, 2018 11:03:34 GMT
I thought Mikey Geaney was stateside for the forseeable future? Has he definitely returned? Fairly sure I read somewhere that he is back training with the Kerry team. I think it was Mikey Sheehy that confirmed it, it may have been Murt also. I seen this post on twitter, he met Fitz last night and was told there is 19 missing. Good opportunity for the younger lads now against Donegal.
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Post by peanuts on Jan 17, 2018 11:38:56 GMT
Murt Murphy has it that Kerry are missing nearly 20 players for Donegal game. He reckons the two Barry's, Crowley, White and Cormac Coffey will all be playing. From Eoghan Cormican of the Examiner on twitter the following 19 players are unavailable Short term (2-3 weeks) Tadhg Morley, Fionn, Tom O'Sullivan, Mark Griffin, Adrian Spillane, Kevin McCarthy, Darran, Mikey Geaney, Eanna O'Conchuir & Brian O' Beaglaoich Medium Term (4-6 weeks) Killian, Crowley, Gavin White, Maher, David Moran, Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Conor Geaney & Donaghy. Various reasons I'd imagine and not just injuries e.g. Eanna O'Conchuir & Brian O' Beaglaoich are playing with an Ghaeltacht this weekend against Moy in the Intermediate club AI SF
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2018 15:46:33 GMT
Shane Murphy Enright Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Jonathan Lyne Peter Crowley Fionn Fitzgerald Brendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Paul Murphy Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford
That's more or less the most experienced team possible I think based on players available due to a number of reasons. Still a team with a lot of experience despite their youth. Plenty of lads there that have a big haul of medals already.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 17, 2018 15:58:13 GMT
Shane Murphy Enright Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Jonathan Lyne Peter Crowley Fionn Fitzgerald Brendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Paul Murphy Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford That's more or less the most experienced team possible I think based on players available due to a number of reasons. Still a team with a lot of experience despite their youth. Plenty of lads there that have a big haul of medals already. Jonathan Lyne is definitely gone from the squad for the moment. www.the42.ie/kerry-senior-football-2018-3800807-Jan2018/
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 17, 2018 15:59:00 GMT
Shane Murphy Enright Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Jonathan Lyne Peter Crowley Fionn FitzgeraldBrendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Paul Murphy Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford That's more or less the most experienced team possible I think based on players available due to a number of reasons. Still a team with a lot of experience despite their youth. Plenty of lads there that have a big haul of medals already. Previous posters saying the three in bold are not available and the four underlined have little or no senior experience. Team selection next week will be very interesting indeed.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 17, 2018 16:15:04 GMT
Anyone know if Gavin Crowley is available?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2018 16:27:45 GMT
Shane Murphy Enright Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Jonathan Lyne Peter Crowley Fionn FitzgeraldBrendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Paul Murphy Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford That's more or less the most experienced team possible I think based on players available due to a number of reasons. Still a team with a lot of experience despite their youth. Plenty of lads there that have a big haul of medals already. Previous posters saying the three in bold are not available and the four underlined have little or no senior experience. Team selection next week will be very interesting indeed. Sheehy said he might be available. I wasn't aware of Crowley and Fitzgerald being unavailable With all 3 not available it will be very tough to have any sort of half back line. Dropping Paul Murphy back is one option, but further weakening the half forward line. Jason Foley has some experience in the league already with Kerry and Michael Burns has played a few minutes as well. Not very experienced, but we do need to use youth in this league. O'Shea and Clifford have to be tried in my opinion and given a fair chance.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 17, 2018 16:46:00 GMT
Just looking at what sort of strength Donegal are at. The following 3 have been mentioned as being missing for the Kerry game and some chunk of the league - Michael Murphy, Neil McGee, Frank McGlynn
Donegal have been playing in the McKenna Cup and their results are as follows
Donegal 4-17 Monaghan 0-19 Donegal 1-10 Fermanagh 1-13 Donegal 2-15 Queens 0-6
They were supposed to play Armagh tonight in the McKenna Cup Semi-final but the game has been postponed until the Saturday.
Looking at the lineups it's clear they have definitely been experimenting - there have had are a fair number of recent U21/minor lads making debuts, but they still have a decent core of players to work with.
Both Odhran MacNiallais and Leo McLoone have rejoined the Donegal team after the departure of Gallagher to Fermanagh. Also Nathan Mullins, son of Brian Mullins, has joined the panel as well.
Besides these 3, all the following have featured for them in the McKenna Cup.
Patrick McBrearty Ryan McHugh Martin McHugh Peter Boyle Eoghan Bán Gallagher Martin O'Reilly Eamonn Doherty Darach O'Connor Paul Brennan Jamie Brennan Michael Langan Caolan McGonagle Tony McClenaghan Caolán Ward Hugh McFadden Shaun Patton Stephen McMenamin Stephen McBrearty Ciaran McGinley Cian Mulligan Jason McGee Michael Carroll Niall O'Donnell Kevin McBrearty Brendan McCole Daire O’Baoill Peadar Mogan
They have used 30 players in total so far in the McKenna Cup. Of special note is the fact that Patrick McBrearty scored 1-8 in the game against Monaghan in his first game back.
The Armagh game will give a better idea of the likely strength of the team for the league game.
One big thing for me is that Donegal will have the advantage of 4 "competitive enough" [how competitive is hard to figure] games under their belt, which when you look at how slow Kerry have been in early games in the league under Eamonn isn't the most positive sign.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 17, 2018 16:55:25 GMT
I thought Shane Enright was not available either. Cormac Coffey, Andrew Barry and Paul Murphy would be a possible half back line
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2018 18:00:16 GMT
I thought Shane Enright was not available either. Cormac Coffey, Andrew Barry and Paul Murphy would be a possible half back line If Enright is indeed not available that would mean a very inexperienced half back and full back line versus a team that has had 4 competitive games already. Then again these youths are used to winning and have played senior football with their clubs. Exciting times for sure.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 17, 2018 18:20:04 GMT
I thought Shane Enright was not available either. Cormac Coffey, Andrew Barry and Paul Murphy would be a possible half back line If Enright is indeed not available that would mean a very inexperienced half back and full back line versus a team that has had 4 competitive games already. Then again these youths are used to winning and have played senior football with their clubs. Exciting times for sure. Enright has been training but whether he is fit or not is another question. I also think Paul Murphy is still in Australia having remained there following the compromise rules.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2018 18:27:56 GMT
Does this leave us with the following list of unavailables for the Donegal game? Tadhg Morley, Fionn Fitzgerald, Tom O'Sullivan, Mark Griffin, Adrian Spillane, Kevin McCarthy, Darran O'Sullivan, Shane Enright, Jonathan Lyne, Mikey Geaney, Eanna O'Conchuir, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Killian Young, Peter Crowley, Gavin White, Anthony Maher, David Moran, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Conor Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, Paul Murphy
Would that leave us with something like this? Shane Murphy AN Other Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Cormac Coffey, Andrew Barry AN Other Brendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Jack Savage David Clifford Paul Geaney James O'Donoghue
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 17, 2018 18:33:28 GMT
Does this leave us with the following list of unavailables for the Donegal game? Tadhg Morley, Fionn Fitzgerald, Tom O'Sullivan, Mark Griffin, Adrian Spillane, Kevin McCarthy, Darran O'Sullivan, Shane Enright, Jonathan Lyne, Mikey Geaney, Eanna O'Conchuir, Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Killian Young, Peter Crowley, Gavin White, Anthony Maher, David Moran, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Conor Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, Paul Murphy Would that leave us with something like this? Shane Murphy AN Other Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Cormac Coffey, Andrew Barry AN Other Brendan O'Sullivan Jack Barry Michael Burns Sean O'Shea Jack Savage David Clifford Paul Geaney James O'Donoghue There are others in training that should be available such as Matthew Flaherty, Greg Horan, Killian Spillane, Barry O’Sullivan, Barry John .
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Post by Fado on Jan 17, 2018 18:46:46 GMT
John Payne to start in the corner? A win badly needed to avoid the relegation battle.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 17, 2018 19:06:04 GMT
Just looking at what sort of strength Donegal are at. The following 3 have been mentioned as being missing for the Kerry game and some chunk of the league - Michael Murphy, Neil McGee, Frank McGlynn Donegal have been playing in the McKenna Cup and their results are as follows Donegal 4-17 Monaghan 0-19 Donegal 1-10 Fermanagh 1-13 Donegal 2-15 Queens 0-6 They were supposed to play Armagh tonight in the McKenna Cup Semi-final but the game has been postponed until the Saturday. Looking at the lineups it's clear they have definitely been experimenting - there have had are a fair number of recent U21/minor lads making debuts, but they still have a decent core of players to work with. Both Odhran MacNiallais and Leo McLoone have rejoined the Donegal team after the departure of Gallagher to Fermanagh. Also Nathan Mullins, son of Brian Mullins, has joined the panel as well. Besides these 3, all the following have featured for them in the McKenna Cup. Patrick McBrearty Ryan McHugh Martin McHugh Peter Boyle Eoghan Bán Gallagher Martin O'Reilly Eamonn Doherty Darach O'Connor Paul Brennan Jamie Brennan Michael Langan Caolan McGonagle Tony McClenaghan Caolán Ward Hugh McFadden Shaun Patton Stephen McMenamin Stephen McBrearty Ciaran McGinley Cian Mulligan Jason McGee Michael Carroll Niall O'Donnell Kevin McBrearty Brendan McCole Daire O’Baoill Peadar Mogan They have used 30 players in total so far in the McKenna Cup. Of special note is the fact that Patrick McBrearty scored 1-8 in the game against Monaghan in his first game back. The Armagh game will give a better idea of the likely strength of the team for the league game. One big thing for me is that Donegal will have the advantage of 4 "competitive enough" [how competitive is hard to figure] games under their belt, which when you look at how slow Kerry have been in early games in the league under Eamonn isn't the most positive sign. McKenna cups games were competitive, though 'at a level', and while Monaghan was a good result on the back of them wilting vs Fermancah a few days earlier, I don't know how up for it Monaghan were. All in all we are in the 'blooding season' and The Fermanach game was typical with cracks opening and so revealing what works and doesn't. IMO Dun na nGall had their all time best band of warriors between their AI wins and they could have hauled a few Sams if they were more, well let's say, 'coordinated' - careful with your words three Bally - now I'n not saying they were staggering around the field or anything, just that they needed that bit of leadership and so focus that JMcG brought to the table. Like ourselves they have as strong a pipeline as ever and so exciting it will be. One thing about my adopted county is that they have vast experience in sports in the widest context imaginable - as I alluded to elsewhere, I'd call it a 'playground' and everywhere you look there is some sign of such endeavour - a geansai in a field, a pub conversation, lads walking with hurleys, a fella selling tickets, rounding on a lone Kerryman, etc - the depth of coverage in the local print media confirms this with some 10+ pages twice weekly.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 17, 2018 19:43:36 GMT
Where's Gavin Crowley or have I missed his name in all those lists.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2018 20:18:07 GMT
Where's Gavin Crowley or have I missed his name in all those lists. I think he is available and might go into the corner back spot or in the half backs if somebody else is able to move to the full back line. Plenty of forwards in training it seems and we look dangerous there, but not many backs and few back options for the bench too
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Post by jod15 on Jan 17, 2018 20:40:32 GMT
Would Conor Cox be an option for the seniors?
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 17, 2018 21:20:07 GMT
Reading and listening to all the bits and pieces over the past week or so it seems Jonathan Lyne was the only player that seems to have been thrown under the bus? Why?
No clarity either from any official source regarding Shane Ryan's absence this year? Brendan Kealy was a goalkeeping casualty last year. Some clarity of the Ryan situation would be welcome?
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Post by mushroom on Jan 17, 2018 22:20:25 GMT
As a Kerry supporter of approx 40 years i found Mikey Sheehys comments in today Examiner as very disingenuous in relation to the lack of support for last years semi final and replay v Mayo. Mikey as a selector can jump on the train with the team to Heuston station , get a bus transfer to the team hotel , have an evening meal , a bed for the night. The next morning get breakfast , transfer to Croke Park, free entry to Croke Park , a bus transfer back to the train , the train home with a meal possibly on the train all for free. By my modest calculations a supporter getting on a train here in Kerry and paying for all of the above would be approx. 300 Euros at low water.
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Post by Callitasitis on Jan 17, 2018 23:20:53 GMT
As a Kerry supporter of approx 40 years i found Mikey Sheehys comments in today Examiner as very disingenuous in relation to the lack of support for last years semi final and replay v Mayo. Mikey as a selector can jump on the train with the team to Heuston station , get a bus transfer to the team hotel , have an evening meal , a bed for the night. The next morning get breakfast , transfer to Croke Park, free entry to Croke Park , a bus transfer back to the train , the train home with a meal possibly on the train all for free. By my modest calculations a supporter getting on a train here in Kerry and paying for all of the above would be approx. 300 Euros at low water. and get the bones of €40,000 in expenses
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jan 18, 2018 7:58:20 GMT
As a Kerry supporter of approx 40 years i found Mikey Sheehys comments in today Examiner as very disingenuous in relation to the lack of support for last years semi final and replay v Mayo. Mikey as a selector can jump on the train with the team to Heuston station , get a bus transfer to the team hotel , have an evening meal , a bed for the night. The next morning get breakfast , transfer to Croke Park, free entry to Croke Park , a bus transfer back to the train , the train home with a meal possibly on the train all for free. By my modest calculations a supporter getting on a train here in Kerry and paying for all of the above would be approx. 300 Euros at low water. and get the bones of €40,000 in expenses But yet if it's the final, it wouldn't be that much of s problem.
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Post by madforfootball on Jan 18, 2018 8:24:11 GMT
As a Kerry supporter of approx 40 years i found Mikey Sheehys comments in today Examiner as very disingenuous in relation to the lack of support for last years semi final and replay v Mayo. Mikey as a selector can jump on the train with the team to Heuston station , get a bus transfer to the team hotel , have an evening meal , a bed for the night. The next morning get breakfast , transfer to Croke Park, free entry to Croke Park , a bus transfer back to the train , the train home with a meal possibly on the train all for free. By my modest calculations a supporter getting on a train here in Kerry and paying for all of the above would be approx. 300 Euros at low water. I see your point , but his only telling the truth. The Mayo fans have to do more or less the same as us.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2018 9:06:02 GMT
Walking down Clonliffe road for the replay i remember being struck by the number of kerry fans up on a saturday afternoon from a county so heavily involved in tourism at that time of year.
I would safely say that mayo had more to cheer about. I myself was simply stupified by the tactical shambles, the most notable being the inability to play a short kickout to a defender and for the defender to get the return handpass to the keeper and then build from the back....like mayo and dublin did in 2017. . Kerry kickouts were raffled up the middle where mayo won half of them. Mayo retained possession from nearly all of theirs.
Imagine trying to win a rugby game where you lose half your own throw ins and all of the throw in by the opposition.
Maybe mikey might explain the tactical shambles that day.
And while he is at it, explain why shane ryan left the panel. As i understand it, it had nothing to do with not cutting the mustard in training.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 18, 2018 9:44:44 GMT
Where some good proposects (all grades) lose out seems to be if they express anything less than 100% committment to the cause - talent alone is not sufficient in todays setup and unquestioning dedication and committment seem to be essential for players to make the Kerry (and I daresay other tier 1 counties) panels.
We frequently demand explanations why particular players are not involved - management have one focus only and that is on delivering the AI at their particular grade. All is forgiven if this is achieved and the bones of every decision (tactical and managerial) will be picked over for the dark winter months (and years to come) when failure is the outcome. Failure normally being anything less than ending the year as top dog.
The evenings are begining to lengthen - lets sit back and enjoy the roller coaster ahead..............
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 18, 2018 10:25:17 GMT
Where some good proposects (all grades) lose out seems to be if they express anything less than 100% committment to the cause - talent alone is not sufficient in todays setup and unquestioning dedication and committment seem to be essential for players to make the Kerry (and I daresay other tier 1 counties) panels. We frequently demand explanations why particular players are not involved - management have one focus only and that is on delivering the AI at their particular grade. All is forgiven if this is achieved and the bones of every decision (tactical and managerial) will be picked over for the dark winter months (and years to come) when failure is the outcome. Failure normally being anything less than ending the year as top dog. The evenings are begining to lengthen - lets sit back and enjoy the roller coaster ahead.............. One recent example of demands for an explanation for the exclusion of a player was for Brendan O'Sullivan...
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Post by hugh20 on Jan 18, 2018 10:32:25 GMT
John is 30 and will be turning 31 this year (1987). He made a couple of provisional minor panels but never made an appearance for Kerry at any level. I always thought he was overlooked to be honest. He has never displayed great ball skills but does seem to know his limitations. He certainly is one of the best defenders in the county and has proved this over the last decade with Crokes, continuously picking up the prime danger men on the opposing teams. His age is not something that would concern me, certainly in the short term, as he has always minded his body well. I hope he gets a chance and does well.
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