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Post by veteran on Apr 2, 2018 10:37:58 GMT
Jackiel you are wrong about Conor Lane and his eyesight. I can assure that man never misses a Kerry misdemeanour , imaginary or otherwise.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2018 11:04:39 GMT
There is no need for panic. The knock on effect of all the funding into Dublin since 2007 wont hit for another few years.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 2, 2018 11:20:33 GMT
What can Kerry learn from yesterday's Dublin v Galway match?. What made the difference? A few bad kick-outs. A few poor passes and turnovers. A few suspect calls by the ref. A few suspect moments in the defence. Remind us of our own?
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Post by keane on Apr 2, 2018 11:52:33 GMT
A couple of instances of poor shot selection also. It's always something that strikes me when watching anyone against Dublin - there will be a couple of occasions in most matches where the opposition take on a wild shot and I think 'Dublin would never shoot there'.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 2, 2018 12:07:28 GMT
Plus giving frees in very scorable positions. Plus having ball brought forward for mouthing at ref. All these things are easily corrected except for defensive set up. Can we not learn?
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 12:15:31 GMT
The Dubs are also exceptional at restarting the game at moments of weakness for the opposition, e.g. Point scored, conceded, point of conflict etc and ramming home the advantage. Kerry are third world in this department, especially from the kickout!
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Post by dubaroo on Apr 2, 2018 14:23:35 GMT
That's not much of a counter-argument, in fairness. What would be the point? Blinkered!
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 2, 2018 14:26:47 GMT
What can Kerry learn from yesterday's Dublin v Galway match?. What made the difference? A few bad kick-outs. A few poor passes and turnovers. A few suspect calls by the ref. A few suspect moments in the defence. Remind us of our own? Basically we learnt what we knew already. Strength and conditioning will only do so much for a team if you don't have men already with the natural size and strength to build on. Of course we'll hear the usual it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog cliché thrown out but any serious analysis of Dublin knows they have this base well covered too. Dublin can match the fight with anybody! Ciaran Kilkenny who went on to have a great game for Dublin in the league final but notably wasn't body slamming or pucking anyone around (like he did with relish on our Paul Murphy) because the Galway defenders were too big and strong to push around. Dublin hammer the hammer and no team is better at spotting a weakness and exploiting it. Dublin thrive on demoralising opponents by taking out the best players and they systematically went after Comer yesterday but his a beast of a man and stood his ground. Galway did a reasonable job too on keeping the Dublin backs honest although Philly Mc did manage to sally up and get his usual point. The Kerry backs don’t have the size or strength to match the Dublin forwards generally speaking and that’s why it won’t be us who takes them down if they’re to be taken down at all this year.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 14:40:58 GMT
Galway probably got the highest league points total ever in Div 1 with 13 points. Dublin tipped along with 14 players in low gears and won at their ease. Who realistically is going to win next years NFL?
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 2, 2018 15:02:39 GMT
Galway probably got the highest league points total ever in Div 1 with 13 points. Dublin tipped along with 14 players in low gears and won at their ease. Who realistically is going to win next years NFL? Yesterday we certainly didnt win it at our ease. Kerry won it last year , Why can't Kerry aim to win it next year.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 2, 2018 15:07:58 GMT
Galway probably got the highest league points total ever in Div 1 with 13 points. Dublin tipped along with 14 players in low gears and won at their ease. Who realistically is going to win next years NFL? It's generally a case of waiting for crumbs from Dublin's table now, isn't it? Dublin continued to introduce new players and gave further experience to their wider panel. Kerry continued to introduce new players and gave further experience to their wider panel. Both travel the same path but in different directions.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 15:09:01 GMT
Galway probably got the highest league points total ever in Div 1 with 13 points. Dublin tipped along with 14 players in low gears and won at their ease. Who realistically is going to win next years NFL? Yesterday we certainly didnt win it at our ease. Kerry won it last year , Why can't Kerry aim to win it next year. Dublin hit no high gears yesterday. The win was from well within them. Kerry are not a consistent league team under Fitzmaurice. I'd imagine Dublin are odds on for next years NFL already with the bookies? It can't be dressed up any other way.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 15:10:54 GMT
Galway probably got the highest league points total ever in Div 1 with 13 points. Dublin tipped along with 14 players in low gears and won at their ease. Who realistically is going to win next years NFL? It's generally a case of waiting for crumbs from Dublin's table now, isn't it? Dublin continued to introduce new players and gave further experience to their wider panel. Kerry continued to introduce new players and gave further experience to their wider panel. Both travel the same path but in different directions. Brian Howard looked fully grown yesterday.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2018 15:16:14 GMT
S. Cluxton (c);
D. Byrne, P. McMahon, M. Fitzsimons; J. McCarthy, J. Cooper, J. Small;
B. Fenton, M.D. Macauley;
B. Howard, P. Mannion, N. Scully; K. McManamon, C. Kilkenny, D. Rock.
Subs for Dublin:
E. Lowndes for J. McCarthy (inj 35); C. Basquel for K. McManamon (h-t); E. Murchan for J. Small (blood, 40); C. O’Callaghan for M.D. Macauley (54); S. Carthy for P. Mannion (68); J. Small for P. McMahon (70+3).
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2018 15:20:38 GMT
The question for me is whether Howard, Scully, Lowndes, Bascuel, Murchan, Carthy are as good as what went before or are they just good players. When KK started to replace great players with good players they came back into the pack over a couple of years
This was the 2015 final team
Dublin: S Cluxton (0-01, 0-01f);
J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon (0-01); J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey (0-01);
B Fenton (0-01), D Bastick; P Flynn (0-02), D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan (0-02, 0-1f), D Rock (0-02, 0-02f), P Andrews (0-01)
Subs:
K McManamon for Rock, Michael Darragh Macauley for Bastick, J Cooper for Fitzsimons, J Small for McCaffrey, D Daly for O'Sullivan, A Brogan (0-01) for Fenton
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Post by buck02 on Apr 2, 2018 15:27:27 GMT
We can only hope that you are right Mickmack.
I thought the way Dublin played the last 15 minutes was top class. There is absolutely no panic, they did the right thing on and off the ball in almost every play, re-starts were spot on. They must play a load of 15 minute high intensity 15 v 15 (or even 14 v 15) games where the aim is just to win the game by 2 or 3 points. It cant just come that naturally to them.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 2, 2018 15:43:03 GMT
We can only hope that you are right Mickmack. I thought the way Dublin played the last 15 minutes was top class. There is absolutely no panic, they did the right thing on and off the ball in almost every play, re-starts were spot on. They must play a load of 15 minute high intensity 15 v 15 (or even 14 v 15) games where the aim is just to win the game by 2 or 3 points. It cant just come that naturally to them. They clearly practice for a scenario where they are a point up in the 76th minute and the opposition has to take the kickout so i have no doubt they do as you describe. In Donaghys book he outlines a time when he suggested similar "real game scenarios" to Jack but he got rebuffed. The basketball people do these drills a lot.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 2, 2018 15:51:37 GMT
Yesterday we certainly didnt win it at our ease. Kerry won it last year , Why can't Kerry aim to win it next year. Dublin hit no high gears yesterday. The win was from well within them. Kerry are not a consistent league team under Fitzmaurice. I'd imagine Dublin are odds on for next years NFL already with the bookies? It can't be dressed up any other way. If we weren't fully focused yesterday we would of lost. If we went out thinking we are All Ireland Champions and are better than Galway , we would of lost . Because Galway are a team with a hard edge , they hadn't lost a game in the league, mainly because of a strong defence coupled with guys who who can score points. They found themselves in a great position yesterday , the teams were level , we were down to 14 men and still twenty minutes to go. But for all our leagues and All Ireland's we still found the desire to push on, and finished with a 4 point win. For me this is Dublins greatest asset. I went down to the pitch yesterday after the final whistle with my daughter and told her to enjoy watching this team , because they are special.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 2, 2018 16:26:27 GMT
The question for me is whether Howard, Scully, Lowndes, Bascuel, Murchan, Carthy are as good as what went before or are they just good players. When KK started to replace great players with good players they came back into the pack over a couple of years This was the 2015 final team Dublin: S Cluxton (0-01, 0-01f); J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon (0-01); J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey (0-01); B Fenton (0-01), D Bastick; P Flynn (0-02), D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan (0-02, 0-1f), D Rock (0-02, 0-02f), P Andrews (0-01) Subs: K McManamon for Rock, Michael Darragh Macauley for Bastick, J Cooper for Fitzsimons, J Small for McCaffrey, D Daly for O'Sullivan, A Brogan (0-01) for Fenton Equally important is how other counties are replacing their own players and integrating them . Con o Callaghan, Mannion and Howard I feel make this team stronger. If all players are fit Dublin will have a 8 into 6 scenario in defence for a big championship game . I feel David Byrne could lose out and mc Carthy moved to midfield.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 16:36:25 GMT
Dublin hit no high gears yesterday. The win was from well within them. Kerry are not a consistent league team under Fitzmaurice. I'd imagine Dublin are odds on for next years NFL already with the bookies? It can't be dressed up any other way. If we weren't fully focused yesterday we would of lost. If we went out thinking we are All Ireland Champions and are better than Galway , we would of lost . Because Galway are a team with a hard edge , they hadn't lost a game in the league, mainly because of a strong defence coupled with guys who who can score points. They found themselves in a great position yesterday , the teams were level , we were down to 14 men and still twenty minutes to go. But for all our leagues and All Ireland's we still found the desire to push on, and finished with a 4 point win. For me this is Dublins greatest asset. I went down to the pitch yesterday after the final whistle with my daughter and told her to enjoy watching this team , because they are special. I'd separate total focus and peak performance for this team. Focus & performance as required.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 2, 2018 17:10:23 GMT
If we weren't fully focused yesterday we would of lost. If we went out thinking we are All Ireland Champions and are better than Galway , we would of lost . Because Galway are a team with a hard edge , they hadn't lost a game in the league, mainly because of a strong defence coupled with guys who who can score points. They found themselves in a great position yesterday , the teams were level , we were down to 14 men and still twenty minutes to go. But for all our leagues and All Ireland's we still found the desire to push on, and finished with a 4 point win. For me this is Dublins greatest asset. I went down to the pitch yesterday after the final whistle with my daughter and told her to enjoy watching this team , because they are special. I'd separate total focus and peak performance for this team. Focus & performance as required. No doubt every county aims to peak for championship. But Gavin knows the value of league games also. That game yesterday was a good game for Eoin murchan, Brian Howard , Colm Basquel to be involved in. They see a never say die attitude and at times a calmness from the more experienced guys and learn from it. No amount of training can replicate that.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 2, 2018 17:31:56 GMT
I'd separate total focus and peak performance for this team. Focus & performance as required. No doubt every county aims to peak for championship. But Gavin knows the value of league games also. That game yesterday was a good game for Eoin murchan, Brian Howard , Colm Basquel to be involved in. They see a never say die attitude and at times a calmness from the more experienced guys and learn from it. No amount of training can replicate that. The Dubs can play as required now, right up to the final moments of All-Ireland finals as shown against Mayo in '16 & '17.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 2, 2018 22:09:36 GMT
I’m not sure if Galway we’re trying to break out and win yesterday or if they were trying not to lose ? I say this because with a strong second half wind in their favor they never played enough ball ( only one) to their full forward Comer he scored but they never done it again?
Running at Dublin paid huge dividends they could not handle the runners and so fouled time after time . I don’t know why Brannigan Probably Galway’s fastest player never ran once at the defense all afternoon very dissapointing . Paul Conroy’s Hollywood shot late on with at least two teammates inside him running good lines when they needed a goal was baffling. .Based on that play alone Galway did not deserve to win Dublin in the same situation would have calmly and unselfishly found the shooter in the best position.Not much between them but that’s the difference.
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 2, 2018 23:57:26 GMT
I hate the sight of Paul Mannion on a team sheet. He is their most potent forward and is so strong on the ball. He really bothers me.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 3, 2018 8:51:07 GMT
Galway were too negative when it mattered most. They didn't or couldn't push up enough on the Dublin full-back line towards the end. Jim Gavin is so positive in every thing he does during a game. He just goes for it.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 3, 2018 9:42:46 GMT
Dublin brought on subs in following minutes: 35, 35, 40, 54, 68, 73.
Galway brought on subs in following minutes: 62, 67, 68, 69, 70.
So one third of Galways outfield players were replaced in final 13 mins of playing time. It's a lot of disruption for any team to take while trying to keep focus etc.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 3, 2018 11:06:03 GMT
Dublin brought on subs in following minutes: 35, 35, 40, 54, 68, 73. Galway brought on subs in following minutes: 62, 67, 68, 69, 70. So one third of Galways outfield players were replaced in final 13 mins of playing time. It's a lot of disruption for any team to take while trying to keep focus etc. The last four subs for Galway would have no time to impact on the game, looks like a pointless box ticking exercise.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 3, 2018 11:07:34 GMT
I hate the sight of Paul Mannion on a team sheet. He is their most potent forward and is so strong on the ball. He really bothers me. He is becoming a class player with more room for further improvement.
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Post by yourholiness on Apr 3, 2018 11:07:34 GMT
The question for me is whether Howard, Scully, Lowndes, Bascuel, Murchan, Carthy are as good as what went before or are they just good players. When KK started to replace great players with good players they came back into the pack over a couple of years This was the 2015 final team Dublin: S Cluxton (0-01, 0-01f); J Cooper, R O'Carroll, P McMahon (0-01); J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J McCaffrey (0-01); B Fenton (0-01), D Bastick; P Flynn (0-02), D Connolly, C Kilkenny; B Brogan (0-02, 0-1f), D Rock (0-02, 0-02f), P Andrews (0-01) Subs: K McManamon for Rock, Michael Darragh Macauley for Bastick, J Cooper for Fitzsimons, J Small for McCaffrey, D Daly for O'Sullivan, A Brogan (0-01) for Fenton I think that 2015 team was the apex. I fear that the regression to the mean has begun.
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 3, 2018 11:10:02 GMT
Dublin brought on subs in following minutes: 35, 35, 40, 54, 68, 73. Galway brought on subs in following minutes: 62, 67, 68, 69, 70. So one third of Galways outfield players were replaced in final 13 mins of playing time. It's a lot of disruption for any team to take while trying to keep focus etc. If Dublin made the substitutions in those minutes , you would be pointing out the strenght Dublin have coming off the bench in the final 10 minutes of a game, when it mattered . 😀
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