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Post by kerrygold on Dec 19, 2017 11:22:36 GMT
Same format as previous years. Unkind draw - if games go to plan a SF with Cork where the loser is gone for the year. Big pressure on 16 years olds!
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Post by youngblood on Jan 10, 2018 21:33:32 GMT
First cuts from the panel have already been made. A fair few youngsters have had their dreams crushed. Must be hard for them to deal with. Hopefully it doesn't turn them off football for good.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 11, 2018 10:09:16 GMT
First cuts from the panel have already been made. A fair few youngsters have had their dreams crushed. Must be hard for them to deal with. Hopefully it doesn't turn them off football for good. January is always a big month for the minor panel as its when the final panel begins to take shape and the numbers are cut down to a manageable size. They begin to focus on the first game and start having challenge games of significance. By no means is it the end as it can happen a guy dropped in January can re-appear if he shows form in the county league (minor) or schools games. Most of the lads who get cut know they are living on the edge and it comes as no surprise, others know they have another chance next year if they are young enough. In itself it rarely turns any fella off the game.
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Post by youngblood on Jan 11, 2018 14:49:29 GMT
I'm not sure if many players have been dropped and brought back in by Peter Keane. He is apparently one to stick by his decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 15:15:43 GMT
Hard panel to make. Some very good u16s there. Cian Ring (Firies) a solid keeper.
Alan Dineen (Rathmore) Ruairi Doyle (Fossa) Ciaran O'Sullivan (Cromane) Seamus Lyne (Castlegregory) Enda O'Connor (Na Gaeil) in the backs.
Adam Curran (Stacks) Eoin O'Sullian (Legion) in midfield.
Colin Crowley (Templenoe) Jack O'Connor (Beaufort) Dylan O'Callaghan (Firies) Cathal O'Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) Dylan Geaney (Dingle) Gearoid Hassett (Laune Rangers) Niall McGillicuddy (Legion) all good forwards.
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Post by madforfootball on Jan 11, 2018 18:12:43 GMT
Hard panel to make. Some very good u16s there. Cian Ring (Firies) a solid keeper. Alan Dineen (Rathmore) Ruairi Doyle (Fossa) Ciaran O'Sullivan (Cromane) Seamus Lyne (Castlegregory) Enda O'Connor (Na Gaeil) in the backs. Adam Curran (Stacks) Eoin O'Sullian (Legion) in midfield. Colin Crowley (Templenoe) Jack O'Connor (Beaufort) Dylan O'Callaghan (Firies) Cathal O'Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) Dylan Geaney (Dingle) Gearoid Hassett (Laune Rangers) Niall McGillicuddy (Legion) all good forwards. Oba from stacks is a fine keeper , Sean Quilter is another shoe in surely? Paul walsh brosna is very good forward too , is there a young Kennedy from Annascal I have heard about him but was since told soccer is number 1. Strong team there and great work done by Sean Ban and his staff and also James Costtellio and his staff, Are we good enough to win it out ?? Time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 0:33:56 GMT
1 Marc Kelliher/David Oba/Cian Ring 2 Owen Fitzgerald/Sean Og O'Morain/Luke Chester 3 Alan Dineen/Daniel O'Sullivan/James McCarthy 4 Mark Cooper/Kieran O'Donoghue/Seamus Lyne 5 Dan McCarthy/Ruairi Doyle/Peter O'Sullivan 6 Dara Walsh/David Mangan/Ciaran O'Sullivan 7 Conor Flannery/Colm Moriarty/Enda O'Connor 8 Sean Quilter/David Costello/Gary O'Connor/Brendan O'Neill 9 Darragh Lyne/Adam Curran/Eoghan O'Sullivan 10 Paul O'Shea/Patrick D'Arcy/Cathal O'Beaglaoich 11 Darragh O'Donoghue/Killian Falvey/Killian Murphy 12 Colin Crowley/Tadhg Lynch/Killian Buckley 13 David Dineen/Dylan O'Callaghan/Ruaidhri O'Beaglaoich/Jack Kennelly 14 Mike Lenihan/Jack O'Connor/Cian O'Connor 15 Paul Walsh/Dylan Geaney/Conor Myers/Shane Doona
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Post by youngblood on Feb 19, 2018 18:59:38 GMT
Out of curiosity, what size panel will be in place for the season?
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 20, 2018 23:11:24 GMT
'Give a realistic chance to counties who don't see the limelight': The dramatic proposal to revamp minor football
Clare club Cooraclare are proposing an overhaul of the U17 grade at this weekend’s GAA Congress.
ONE OF THE more interesting motions going up in Congress this weekend is the proposed revamp of the All-Ireland minor football championship from Clare club Cooraclare.
Motion 18 proposes to completely restructure the national U17 competition by running it on a round-robin basis consisting of eight groups of four teams.
The new format would guarantee every inter-county minor side at least three games, with the weaker counties standing to benefit most.
Curiously, they suggest the CCCC decide on the seedings which would see the four top-ranked counties in the country placed in Group 1, the next four in Group 2 and so on.
The All-Ireland quarter-finals would consist of:
The top two placed teams from Groups 1, 2 and 3 The top placed team from Group 4 A play-off team The play-off team comes from a knock-out phase involving the top placed teams from Groups 5, 6, 7 and 8. The winner of that phase faces the second placed team in Group 4 for a place in the All-Ireland quarter-final.
“The key thing for me on the motion is the CCCC would make their groups according to the standards of the teams,” Cooraclare chairman Joe Garry tells The42.
“Our initial plan was to work off the senior National Football League and divide the eight groups of four according to those proceedings, but that would be against general rule so we can’t do that. So now we’ve asked the CCCC to do it.
“We want the CCCC to look at the structure and give a guaranteed three games to the teams, but of an equal standing.”
At present, county sides who lose in the first-round of the Leinster and Munster championships in go into a backdoor system before they are reintroduced at the provincial semi-final stage. Connacht and Ulster are presently played on a straight knock-out basis, with sides guaranteed just one game.
Garry is a former Clare minor and U21 football boss, while he currently works as a GAA analyst with Clare FM. His issue with the current minor structure is that Clare could lose to Kerry twice in the one campaign – and their summer would be over.
“The idea that you’ve two chances in the minor championship… if you’re one of the weaker teams you could draw the very best team in the country in the first round and one of your two chances are gone,” he explains.
“And maybe, because they’re from the same province of you, you might meet them again if you did happen to win one round (in the backdoor).
“That’s the situation in Munster. Kerry being the dominant force, if a team met them in the first round they could meet them again with only one round in between.”
Inevitably, there will be heavy opposition from the stronger counties at Congress. The proposed seeding means that only two of the four highest-rated minor teams in the country would make the All-Ireland quarter-finals. As a result, there could be some very one-sided results in the latter stages of the championship.
The teams ranked fifth and sixth in the country would stand a far better chance of winning the All-Ireland than the third and fourth placed teams, which isn’t exactly a fair system.
It also means that a Group 5 team would have to play six championship games to reach the last eight. While Garry proposes these games would be played midweek, as is currently the case in the minor championship, it threatens to seriously limit U17 club football activity in many counties during the summer.
The top two teams from Group 1, 2 and 3 would also face an extended wait while the final quarter-final team is determined.
“There’s no fear of football in the strong counties but we want to give a realistic chance to counties who often don’t see the limelight,” says Garry.
“The provincial championship provides the same provincial winners invariably, history will tell you the strong counties favour that system and will continue to profit from that system.
“At the moment, Clare minor footballers played four Wednesday nights on the bounce last year.
“Invariably it’s played on a Wednesday night. At the moment counties are guaranteed two games, this will give them a guarantee of three in the All-Ireland championship and one provincial championship game.”
In addition, Garry would like to see the provincial minor championships retained on a knock-out basis, to act as a curtain-raiser for the senior provincial championships starting in May. The round-robin All-Ireland would follow once the provinces conclude.
“By all means have the provincial championship, it’s not worded in the motion, but we’d envisage the Munster championship for argument’s sake being played as a curtain raiser – but as knock-out,” he explains.
“The ideal thing for us would be the minor match would run according to the senior provincial championship. If Clare are playing Limerick in the first round of the senior football in May, the first round of the minor football championship in Munster would be a Clare-Limerick curtain-raiser.
“The junior isn’t working in Munster, only three teams entered it last year and probably less this year. The junior is not working. Why not give the U17 competition a bit more prominence at provincial level by playing it as a curtain-raiser to the relevant game?”
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Post by keane on Feb 20, 2018 23:48:05 GMT
He explains that if you have two chances and you lose a game one of your chances is gone, as if this was an injustice.
Personally I think the less time 16 year olds spend away from their clubs in some intercounty bubble the better. The rest of the kids waiting around for their buddies to get beaten three times before they can play their meaningful competitions at home.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 21, 2018 9:44:45 GMT
A myopic view of minor football from the Clare club - they think that more intercounty minor games on a bigger stage will "give a realistic chance to weaker counties". There is no logic in what they propose and it only serves to clutter the u17 calendar which is already a disasterously drawn out affair. For the past number of years Kerry start pulling a squad together in late October, with a first game the following April and when successful they play a sixth game five months later (essentially 6 games in 11 months). During this time the entire squad (say 32/33 youngsters) are severely restricted in living as normal teenagers and playing games for their club side. Now that minor is back to U17 I believe there is a strong case for condensing the provincial and AI program into a far shorter season and let these youngsters play far more club football. If any competition should be developed its the U20 as this is the lead in to senior and is in my mind the critical timing to retain players who are moving from the normal routine of home/school life to adulthood and college/work.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 21, 2018 19:15:36 GMT
from Terrace Talk
Under 17 Kerry Captain''''
I think this was a good wise decision bye the county board as the young player who would br captain might not be capable of taking the presure of the position. So by wise heads picking the right man will help all round Please note that delegates at last night's County Committee meeting voted in favour of changing the system of appointing the U17 Team Captain. A captain is expected to make himself available to talk to the press, radio, etc. and really it could be even an under 16 lad who the honour might fall to in the old system and surly that would be putting unnecessary on young shoulders?
Going forward, the captain is to be appointed by the County Chairperson, the Management Team and the Liaison Officer.
For 2018 only there will also be consultation with the East Kerry Board
The decision was made to take account of the maturity of players at this age grade, some are ready for the added pressure of being captain others are not and protecting our players must be our key priority
The new system applies to both football and hurling at U17 age grade only
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Post by southward on Feb 21, 2018 21:13:40 GMT
He explains that if you have two chances and you lose a game one of your chances is gone, as if this was an injustice. Personally I think the less time 16 year olds spend away from their clubs in some intercounty bubble the better. The rest of the kids waiting around for their buddies to get beaten three times before they can play their meaningful competitions at home. The teams who are unfairly treated under the existing system (in Munster anyway) are first round winners (usually Cork & Kerry) who then lose to one another in the semis and are out. Not even a second chance there. By contrast, Clare got 3 chances last year. Beaten twice in Munster and still got straight into the AI quarters so I really can't see where they're coming from with this. As for having the 4 best teams in one qualifying group, this is crackpot stuff. Either that or the whole thing is just a wind-up by Cooraclare.
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Post by youngblood on Feb 21, 2018 22:22:03 GMT
from Terrace Talk Under 17 Kerry Captain'''' I think this was a good wise decision bye the county board as the young player who would br captain might not be capable of taking the presure of the position. So by wise heads picking the right man will help all round Please note that delegates at last night's County Committee meeting voted in favour of changing the system of appointing the U17 Team Captain. A captain is expected to make himself available to talk to the press, radio, etc. and really it could be even an under 16 lad who the honour might fall to in the old system and surly that would be putting unnecessary on young shoulders? Going forward, the captain is to be appointed by the County Chairperson, the Management Team and the Liaison Officer. For 2018 only there will also be consultation with the East Kerry Board The decision was made to take account of the maturity of players at this age grade, some are ready for the added pressure of being captain others are not and protecting our players must be our key priority The new system applies to both football and hurling at U17 age grade only Why should there be no reward for the minor county champions simply due to a change by one year in age? It's almost unfathomable that a minor championship winning team would not have a player on the age in contention for a starting place who would take on the captaincy role. A captain should be a good leader, but must also be an accomplished footballer.
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Post by southward on Feb 21, 2018 22:59:34 GMT
from Terrace Talk Under 17 Kerry Captain'''' I think this was a good wise decision bye the county board as the young player who would br captain might not be capable of taking the presure of the position. So by wise heads picking the right man will help all round Please note that delegates at last night's County Committee meeting voted in favour of changing the system of appointing the U17 Team Captain. A captain is expected to make himself available to talk to the press, radio, etc. and really it could be even an under 16 lad who the honour might fall to in the old system and surly that would be putting unnecessary on young shoulders? Going forward, the captain is to be appointed by the County Chairperson, the Management Team and the Liaison Officer. For 2018 only there will also be consultation with the East Kerry Board The decision was made to take account of the maturity of players at this age grade, some are ready for the added pressure of being captain others are not and protecting our players must be our key priority The new system applies to both football and hurling at U17 age grade only Might this be a stalking horse for changing the system at senior level down the line? I think the senior captain's role has been much diminished in the last 10 years by having a succession of incumbents (Darren, Sheehan, O'Leary, Donaghy, Fionn) who haven't been able to command a regular place. It's unlikely that this year's captain will feature that much and it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that he doesn't make the panel at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 1:51:35 GMT
Darragh Lyne should be Captain I think. He will be on the team.
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Post by An Bradán on Feb 26, 2018 1:29:30 GMT
Ironic that the motion to reset the minor competition comes from Clare. Their own internal minor competitions are in need of huge change by all accounts.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2018 9:32:33 GMT
from Terrace Talk Under 17 Kerry Captain'''' I think this was a good wise decision bye the county board as the young player who would br captain might not be capable of taking the presure of the position. So by wise heads picking the right man will help all round Please note that delegates at last night's County Committee meeting voted in favour of changing the system of appointing the U17 Team Captain. A captain is expected to make himself available to talk to the press, radio, etc. and really it could be even an under 16 lad who the honour might fall to in the old system and surly that would be putting unnecessary on young shoulders? Going forward, the captain is to be appointed by the County Chairperson, the Management Team and the Liaison Officer. For 2018 only there will also be consultation with the East Kerry Board The decision was made to take account of the maturity of players at this age grade, some are ready for the added pressure of being captain others are not and protecting our players must be our key priority The new system applies to both football and hurling at U17 age grade only Why should there be no reward for the minor county champions simply due to a change by one year in age? It's almost unfathomable that a minor championship winning team would not have a player on the age in contention for a starting place who would take on the captaincy role. A captain should be a good leader, but must also be an accomplished footballer. It has actually been an issue on a few occasions and as recently as 2016 I believe. Remember its the 2017 champions that nominate the 2018 captain and if a club/division has an exceptional team (and this is required to win the championship) they could be nearly all of the right age and ineligible the following year.
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Post by greenmen55 on Mar 13, 2018 19:26:17 GMT
Anyone have an idea what kind of team we are looking at this year are we looking at all Ireland contenders like the previous years? Surely by now the team is beginning to take shape ahead of the first round of the munster championship
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Post by kerryfootballfan on Mar 13, 2018 21:49:48 GMT
Hi. I am new on here. I was reading through this thread and I was wondering if anyone had seen the Fossa lad Emmett O’Shea. I saw he got 1-5 for the Sem in a Munster u-16.5 final. I went to see David Clifford last year for Fossa v Dr. Crokes in an EK minor final and this lad (at 15 years old) really shone out. He is surely worth a look for the Kerry minors. Has anyone else seen this lad ?
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Post by millbank on Mar 13, 2018 22:44:12 GMT
Emmet O' Shea is a seriously gifted forward.He has grown, got stronger and can manafacture scores out of nothing. Like David Clifford , his vision and long range shooting ability is a joy to watch. He is in a rich vein of form at the moment . He is underage also next year. One for the future to keep an eye on definitely.
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Post by veteran on Mar 13, 2018 23:09:26 GMT
I notice two posters are telling us about a new wonder kid called Emmet O'Shea. I presume none of these posters would be related to the said Emmett. Could we be dealing with Emmet himself . Are you right there Emmet are you right!
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Post by millbank on Mar 14, 2018 0:02:39 GMT
Veteran, I follow your posts with great interest. I can only speak for myself, no relation nor from same club, but follow underage East Kerry District. My famous relations on my mother's side played senior with Kerry and Cork late 60' /early 70's!
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Post by kerryfootballfan on Mar 14, 2018 7:08:42 GMT
I notice two posters are telling us about a new wonder kid called Emmet O'Shea. I presume none of these posters would be related to the said Emmett. Could we be dealing with Emmet himself . Are you right there Emmet are you right! That is a bit harsh. Perhaps read the Kerryman two weeks ago for further info. I found it interesting that the lad was not mentioned anywhere in this thread as a potential minor, that’s all.
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Post by mandad on Mar 14, 2018 10:09:19 GMT
I notice two posters are telling us about a new wonder kid called Emmet O'Shea. I presume none of these posters would be related to the said Emmett. Could we be dealing with Emmet himself . Are you right there Emmet are you right! The practice of ‘self-recommend’ is not unusual and at least one or two appear around this time every year. They generally rely on incisive superlatives to leverage the player’s ability and immediately suggest that the evaluator has thoughtfully assessed the lad’s talents and concluded that this is a player that the manager cannot possibly do without. The whiff of exaggeration, heaped too generously only invites doubt. On the other hand, I am prepared to accept that it may well be a well-meaning assessor or a highly motivated young individual who might well be the next ‘find’. Wouldn't that be great too?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2018 11:17:25 GMT
I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently.
Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru.
Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.
I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat 400.
My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations with the CIA.
I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid.
On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prize-winning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin.
I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis.
But I have not yet played minor for Kerry.
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Post by himself on Mar 15, 2018 18:25:43 GMT
Lad, with that many hobbies, especially full contact ones like terrorist bakers and full contact origami, I don't think you have the commitment for a Kerry minor! As for the speculation about young players, I don't see any positive emerging from such speculation. Emmett, a lovely guy from a lovely family, did have a great Frewen campaign - so did many others. I followed the games, and saw a lot of great players. So did Peter Keane and his selectors. I know that, because I met them at every single game I attended. I didn't ask them who they were looking at, nor would I ever. I think two minor titles in a row entitles them to a bit of trust. These kids - and that is what they are - are young enough to think that making the minors could define them. In time, they'll learn better, but right now I want them to relax and understand that their best is brilliant, whether they make the minor panel or not.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 15, 2018 21:08:23 GMT
Can you play inter county u17 if you qualify to play u16 that year...if you get me. Or do you have to be in the final year
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Post by greenmen55 on Mar 15, 2018 21:20:06 GMT
Yes you can play this year if you are still u16 there are quite a few u16s at the moment invloved with the squad
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 15, 2018 21:34:22 GMT
Thanks for the clarification.
Its going to be hard so to speculate on the u17 panel without mentioning lads aged 16 or even 15. Awful young isnt it in fairness.
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