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Post by dart on Oct 12, 2017 19:13:36 GMT
When you bring in "what ifs" into your argument you are losing. Fair play to Gooch I say.
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Post by playitfair on Oct 12, 2017 20:31:38 GMT
This is just tough talk, I don't think he can act on it. If the GAA did try to stop a player, for example by suspending him from club and county activity, it would be terrible publicity. The GAA will have to grin and bear it. One of the Dubs will surely do this soon enough. Quite a few of them are in their 30s. I am glad all the same to see Duffy speaking out and articulating the values of the GAA. what are the values of the gaa and how do they relate to this dinner?
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Post by clarinman on Oct 12, 2017 23:39:07 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 13, 2017 5:52:10 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events. Not necessarily.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2017 6:33:52 GMT
Duffy gets a testimonial every year to the tune of 250k in wages. The most vocal on this are the people receiving payment of one kind or the other through GAA related avenues.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2017 6:36:30 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events. Not necessarily. There probably is a distinction alright between corporate entertainment events and fundraising.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 13, 2017 6:46:19 GMT
Duffy gets paid a 6 figure salary and was heavily involved in the Sky deal- he is not in a position nor should he have any credibility when it comes to commenting on this.
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Post by keane on Oct 13, 2017 8:54:09 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events. This is the crucial point for me. Duffy gets a testimonial every year to the tune of 250k in wages. The most vocal on this are the people receiving payment of one kind or the other through GAA related avenues. This is a non-argument. The people who are paid to write articles, get interviewed and/or appear on TV are obviously going to have the largest platform to make noise about it. How do you suggest I be equally vocal to Duffy, Spillane etc? I'm willing to do so for free.
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Post by yellowbelly on Oct 13, 2017 9:18:05 GMT
“If you do an autobiography or punditry, you’re not taking funds that could go to the GAA, if you’re holding a major dinner you’re going to the same people to support the dinner or testimonial as you would to support a club event."
So it's okay to make money out of the GAA but not okay if you dip into the GAA's own Gravy Train. Hypocrisy!
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 13, 2017 10:44:16 GMT
If Gooch gets half the money, 125K, that's still a lot less than a lot of intercounty managers have earned.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 13, 2017 11:07:59 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events. Seventy or eighty years ago the Catholic Church did their best and succeeded in many instances in banning dances. On purely moral and ethical grounds it must be said. Within a short period of time they themselves were running the dances and pocketing the loot. For some reason the stance by the GAA on this issue reminds me of that.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 13, 2017 11:08:49 GMT
If Gooch gets half the money, 125K, that's still a lot less than a lot of intercounty managers have earned. Proof?
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 13, 2017 11:36:58 GMT
Duffy makes a good point in that there is only so much money to go around. Donations to player testimonials is money that would normally go to club and county board fund raising events. Seventy or eighty years ago the Catholic Church did their best and succeeded in many instances in banning dances. On purely moral and ethical grounds it must be said. Within a short period of time they themselves were running the dances and pocketing the loot. For some reason the stance by the GAA on this issue reminds me of that. I hear you but not convinced its the same thing. Kids the length and breadth of the country go to GAA training, are carried to matches and treated well (in general) without ever being asked for a contribution. The costs associated with this come from numerous GAA sources including club and county fund raising (not forgetting the huge voluntary contributions of time and effort). Other sports look for €2-5 every training session, more €2-10 for home and away games to cover either transport or the referees stipend as well as their club fund raisers. Much as we can criticise the GAA they do plough money back into the grassroots of the association and the facilities that GAA clubs have improved beyond recognition from the 70's and 80's. The fame garnered from their skills and their fortune to be part of a successful team is very much wraped up in the organisation that is the GAA - many benefit through employment opportunities and other fringe benefits for work they get due to their fame/noteriety. The out and out elite have probably gained more but this testamonial is step beyond and that is why it is attracting so much attention. It is a payday few others could ever hope for and yet they have contributed in their own way to the success of the elite player by playing supporting roles. Having said all that the one major error of judgement for me remains the undefined linking of charities to an event primarily arranged for personal gain - as as they would say in Dragons Den - For that reason count me out.
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Post by playitfair on Oct 13, 2017 11:46:41 GMT
For me the issue is simple. Is the event outside the rules of the association, if not then it's good to go.
To me, it appears inevitable that we are on a road where to where inter-county players will be paid and possibly will not be involved with their clubs at all within the inter-county season. Some people may not like that but there is an appetite for top-end intercounty games that will be satisfied by more matches, the revenue generated will be used to pay the players.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 13, 2017 13:37:53 GMT
For me the issue is simple. Is the event outside the rules of the association, if not then it's good to go. To me, it appears inevitable that we are on a road where to where inter-county players will be paid and possibly will not be involved with their clubs at all within the inter-county season. Some people may not like that but there is an appetite for top-end intercounty games that will be satisfied by more matches, the revenue generated will be used to pay the players. The association of private citizens?
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Post by playitfair on Oct 13, 2017 14:39:56 GMT
The Gaelic Athletic Association.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 13, 2017 15:02:37 GMT
The Gaelic Athletic Association. But sure in what way is this linked to the GAA? Anyone can organise a dinner- I could do so if I wanted but noone would go! Once he doesnt use GAA signage then they cant say a bit
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Post by playitfair on Oct 13, 2017 17:09:50 GMT
I agree,
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Post by peanuts on Oct 13, 2017 23:06:10 GMT
[quote author=" onlykerry" source="/post/211246/thread" timestamp="1507894618 Having said all that the one major error of judgement for me remains the undefined linking of charities to an event primarily arranged for personal gain - as as they would say in Dragons Den - For that reason count me out.[/quote Over 50% of the proceeds are to go to charities according to Colm on Newstalk during the week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 1:25:33 GMT
“If you do an autobiography or punditry, you’re not taking funds that could go to the GAA, if you’re holding a major dinner you’re going to the same people to support the dinner or testimonial as you would to support a club event." So it's okay to make money out of the GAA but not okay if you dip into the GAA's own Gravy Train. Hypocrisy! It is wrong to say that this events takes from clubs. The event is being held in D4, it is very much about coroporate ireland who could not care less about the clubs. It more likely that events surrounding the autumn rugby internationals would be impacted.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2017 9:06:12 GMT
'Quite mealy-mouthed and quite small' - Paul Galvin responds to Páraic Duffy's Gooch testimonial comments
October 14 2017 8:57 AM Paul Galvin has sprung to the defence of his former team-mate Colm Cooper following Páraic Duffy's criticism of the Kerry legend's testimonial dinner earlier this week. Speaking on the Sean O'Rourke Show on RTE Radio this week, GAA Director-General Duffy said it was "against the ethos of the GAA to run a dinner where the individual benefits".
While Cooper has confirmed that over half of the profit from the night later this month will go to charity - Our Lady's Children's Hospital, Crumlin and Kerry Cancer Support Group - the subject remains a hot source of debate.
Galvin was defiant in his support for Cooper when he spoke on Off The Ball last night.
"He's (Duffy) done a great job and the GAA's in great health and nobody can fault how he has managed his role and his position," said Galvin.
"I'm not sure he realises how his comments came off yesterday. I just thought they were quite mealy-mouthed and quite small to say that we can't have a situation where an individual profits from the GAA and where clubs don't profit. That doesn't seem right to me.
"At the end of the day, he is giving some money to his club anyway as it turns out. But it doesn't change anything for me. I'm going along. I support him fully. I don't see why he's been criticised in the manner that he has been." Despite heavy criticism in some quarters, Cooper has stood firm and the event goes ahead on October 27 in Dublin with 15 tables sold at €5k apiece.
"You've got to realise the Gooch is a tough guy and he's got a tough mentality. He's smart as well so he's able to see the wood from the trees. Her is able to deal with the criticism," added Galvin.
"I was one of the people who was out in Santry to visit Gooch when his leg was in two halves almost. There's a side to it to where I just think people from the outside can comment and say what they like but they don't know what it's like to go through a career and what you put into your career. And then to be told at the end of it you can't do this kind of a thing, it doesn't seem right to me."
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Post by Joxer on Oct 14, 2017 21:27:36 GMT
'Nail on head' by Paul Galvin there in my opinion at least. I cannot for the life of me understand what the problem is. Annusacaultilidie is being very polite when he says 'not necessarily' above to the idea that the Gooch will be taking money that would otherwise go to clubs. Have the GAA not made enough money off the back of Gooch over the years without trying to grab some more? As a private citizen, he is well entitled to organise whatever dinner he wants and if people don't want to go or contribute financially to it then that is also their right. Beyond that, what's the big deal? It'll be the first of many I'm sure and if it helps encourage anyone to stick around and play gaelic football in preference to heading to Oz, then that's also a nice upside to it. A little less righteousness by some people (predictable, Brolly is in the vanguard)and a little more reality might go a long way methinks.....
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 14, 2017 23:46:25 GMT
'Nail on head' by Paul Galvin there in my opinion at least. I cannot for the life of me understand what the problem is. Annusacaultilidie is being very polite when he says 'not necessarily' above to the idea that the Gooch will be taking money that would otherwise go to clubs. Have the GAA not made enough money off the back of Gooch over the years without trying to grab some more? As a private citizen, he is well entitled to organise whatever dinner he wants and if people don't want to go or contribute financially to it then that is also their right. Beyond that, what's the big deal? It'll be the first of many I'm sure and if it helps encourage anyone to stick around and play gaelic football in preference to heading to Oz, then that's also a nice upside to it. A little less righteousness by some people (predictable, Brolly is in the vanguard)and a little more reality might go a long way methinks..... There is to be no payments to private individuals in the gaa, except for me, me and a few if the lads should get 100k+ per year but no one else
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 16, 2017 20:14:04 GMT
Did anyone see an article yesterday from Brolly about Gooch.
I saw it online so not sure what paper it was in.
To say it was insulting would be an understatement.
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Post by ddtinexile on Oct 16, 2017 21:13:49 GMT
Yea, in the Sunday independent. The most scurillous article by Brolly ever. Obviously it's in response to Gooch describing him ( Brolly) . as "the greatest footballer ever" on the late late show. And the audience got a great laugh out of that as did nearly everyone who was watching the show. Brolly can give it but can't take it. Insulting b.......rd.
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Post by southward on Oct 16, 2017 22:54:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 23:34:59 GMT
Poor joe is upset that Colm made him look like a fool on the late late show. Joe is notoriously thin skinned.
I know this is a separate topic but joe always bangs on about the volunteers within the gaa. In recent weeks it has been revealed that one of these in their capacity as a volunteer groomed and defiled a child. Maybe joe could write about this instead of using his column to continue to insult one of the greatest players.
Watching the clip of Aidan o shea mark his clubs league victory I was also reminded of joes insulting words about Aidan after this years final.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 17, 2017 7:13:05 GMT
Extremely offensive.
Proof that education doesn't hide upbringing.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 17, 2017 7:54:29 GMT
Extremely offensive. Proof that education doesn't hide upbringing. I cant wait until he does hos satirical take on Philly McMahon's book where both him and Dermo are in the clink
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Post by OnTheForty on Oct 17, 2017 11:15:06 GMT
Agree with these comments on Brolly's article; it is *y, bitter, and a disgusting personal attack in the guise of a book review. Brolly hauls out all his usual bugbears - Kerry's 'easy' All-Ireland wins, Gooch's outstanding performances in these games as proof of inadequacy. Plus he adds in digs at Kerry cute-hoorism, every Kerry GAA book ever, the Healy-Raes (easy target there), and even Pele FFS! Brolly was always a bitter little boll*x, but he has plumbed new depths with this article. Looks like he got upset when Cooper had a dig at him on the Late Late, and has responded in a vicious and *y manner.
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