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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 8, 2017 20:24:31 GMT
I AM NOT SO SURPRISED WITH THE TSG3 VIEWS BUT, AND AT THE RISK OF BEING ACCUSED OF FLATTERING ONESELF, THIS IS MORE TO DO WITH A SPECIFIC INTEREST IN THIS ASPECT OF THE GAA, AND INDEED THE WIDER SUBJECT OF EQUALITY IN SOCIETY.
HAVING PLAYED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS AND FOR ALL THEIR GENIUS AND HUMAN FRAILIES, THE TSG3 ARE CHOSEN AS THE BEST AVAILABLE MATCH-DAY ANALYSTS OF GAMES ON OUR BEHALF. NOW IT MIGHT BE A TEMPTATION TO ASSUME THEIR EXPERTISE EXTENDS TO ALL THINGS GAA, THE MEDIA HAVE FALLEN FOR IT AND THEY THEMSELVES HAVE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS.
THE TSG3 ARE GENERALLLY ADAMANT THAT A PLAYER CANNOT SHARE HIS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY HIM IN RETURN, OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL AND DIRECTLY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS.
OK, SO CAN ANYBODY DO IT?
WELL THE TSG3 THEMSELVES DO AND HAVE DONE SO FOR DECADES AND WE PAY THEM THRORUGH THE LICENSE FEE.
THE GAA ITSELF ALSO INSISTS THAT ON TOP OF US FUNDING THE PUBLIC SERVICE BROADCASTER WE MUST NOW PAY ANOTHER BROADCAST FEE TO SKY & CO, FOR ENTERTAINMENT PROVIDED BY UNPAID IRISH VOLUNTEERS AND WHO ARE THE MAIN STAKEHOLDERS AND ALONG WITH THE REST OF US WHO HELPED OUT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND YES, WHILE GOOCH HAS A BIGGER STAKE THAN MOST, SOME WOULD INSIST THAT IT MUST ALWAYS BE ONE WAY TRAFFIC, OUT OF HIS POCKET AND INTO THEIRS.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE 'DNA' OF THE ISSUE - AT ONE END IS 'SACRIFICE' AND AT THE POLAR OPPOSITE IS 'REWARD' - THESE ARE OPPOSITES THAT WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN OPPOSITES. SO NOW YOU SEE, IT IS MERELY A QUESTION OF WHO IS ENTITLED TO MOVE ALONG THIS LINE, WHEN, AND FOR HOW MUCH.
SOME OF US THINK THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE AS 'ABC', ANYBODY BUT COLM!
GOOCH GAVE FREELY OF HIS TIME THAT DEFINED HIS LIFE STYLE, HIS WELFARE AND INDEED EVEN HIS HEALTH - AND ALL FOR OUR PLEASURE. ALL THOSE FINE EVENINGS WHEN WE WERE HAVING A FEW BEERS WHILE HE WAS SWEATING IT OUT, THOSE SUNNY SUNDAYS WHEN WE HAD A BIG OUT WITH HIM AT THE COALFACE IN SWELTERING HEAT. AND HE DELIGHTED TO BE AT OUR SERVICE. LORD GOD WHAT HAVE WE BVECOME?
AND NOW AT THE CONCLUSION OF HIS PLAYING CAREER SOME OF US FEEL HE SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITHOUT CHARGE FOR INTERESTS WHO WOULD PROFIT FROM IT. AND WORK IT IS, EVEN IF HE LOVES IT - AND IF HE IS THAT LUCKY TO LOVE WHAT HE GETS A FEW BOB TO DO THEN YOU'D BE ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED FOR HIM. IT IS SMALL COMPENSATION FOR WHAT HE GAVE SO IT ISN’T AS IF HE DROVE A HARD BARGAIN.
IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL EVENING AND IT WILL BE GREAT FOR THOSE ATTENDING TO GET THE STORY FRESH AND IN PERSON - HOPEFULLY THEY WILL KEEP US IN THE LOOP, KIND HEARTS AS THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE. IT WILL BE AS TIMELY AS COLM'S 'WAR CORRESPONDENT' MATCH-EVENING ANALYSIS FROM THE BATTLE FIELD AND HE HAS A BRIGHT FUTURE IN THIS REGARD.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST AND FROM THE VERY BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THANK YOU COLM FOR THE MUSIC AND I FOR ONE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH FOR OUR BENEFIT THOUGH I KNOW THAT NOBODY CAN EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE THE PRICE YOU PAID. THANKS ALSO FOR INSPIRING OF THAT WEE POEM 'TRISKADECKOPHOPBIA' AND THERE MIGHT A BE MORE TO COME - SURE I AM ONLY WRITING DOWN WHAT I SAW YOU DO, SAT THERE ON MY ARSE IN THE COMFORT OF MY OWN HOME WITH CAN OF PORTER FOR COMPANMY! AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO USE THE WORK FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO ASK TWICE.
P.S. The bold capitals reflects how strongly my view is on the subject, as opposed to a raised voice.
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Post by thirdson on Oct 8, 2017 22:26:02 GMT
Let's cut the crap out here. Cooper is on an earner cause of his status as an ex Kerry gaa player. High profile and why not. Brolly is a hypocrite as is o rourke. Either there are no earnings from being a player/ ex player or there are nt. A testimonial is no different from being on tv, selling a book, selling clothes in dunnes, having it above a business etc. Players using their fame/ brand / whatever to promote themselves . Those (and I mean brolly et al)who criticise cooper are hypocrites of the highest order. Getting paid for doing TV work has nothing to do with a player getting a testimonial. Then what is your issue? Cooper using his status as former Kerry gaa great to earn money is a problem. Brolly using his his status as a former Derry gaa great to earn money is not then. You need to help me out here so cause I am confused.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 9, 2017 7:22:09 GMT
I detect a circling of the wagons around Cooper recently.
Players who get into punditry work for the money. Nice work if you can get it, but work nonetheless.
It cannot be compared to this expensive, exclusive, corporate event.
This controversy will pass, but people with misgivings should not be dismissed as begrudgers.
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Post by glengael on Oct 9, 2017 8:38:38 GMT
I detect a circling of the wagons around Cooper recently. Players who get into punditry work for the money. Nice work if you can get it, but work nonetheless. It cannot be compared to this expensive, exclusive, corporate event. This controversy will pass, but people with misgivings should not be dismissed as begrudgers. And as we have seen in the past while, media work, even good quality popular media work can be taken away when the man or woman writing the cheques decides to do so. Look at Seo Spoirt, the best TV sports show produced in Ireland = gone. Jim McG, Darragh, Nicky English and Kevin McStay among others, won't be getting any phonecalls from Marconi House for a quick chat about the All Stars, International Rules etc anytime soon because the boss man says so. This one off corporate lark is different. I wonder is Sean Cavanagh getting such a dinner? He has been as important to Tyrone as Colm was to Kerry. Would HM Revenue be very kindly disposed in their treatment of the proceeds of same?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 9, 2017 9:41:09 GMT
I detect a circling of the wagons around Cooper recently. Players who get into punditry work for the money. Nice work if you can get it, but work nonetheless. It cannot be compared to this expensive, exclusive, corporate event. This controversy will pass, but people with misgivings should not be dismissed as begrudgers. I can understand and empathise with those who are saddened by the way the amateur etos of the GAA is being diluted and its a runaway train now in one direction. When you critisise though you must come with clean hands and i find the double standards by brolly and spillane hard to swallow.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 9, 2017 10:36:33 GMT
I detect a circling of the wagons around Cooper recently. Players who get into punditry work for the money. Nice work if you can get it, but work nonetheless. It cannot be compared to this expensive, exclusive, corporate event. This controversy will pass, but people with misgivings should not be dismissed as begrudgers. And as we have seen in the past while, media work, even good quality popular media work can be taken away when the man or woman writing the cheques decides to do so. Look at Seo Spoirt, the best TV sports show produced in Ireland = gone. Jim McG, Darragh, Nicky English and Kevin McStay among others, won't be getting any phonecalls from Marconi House for a quick chat about the All Stars, International Rules etc anytime soon because the boss man says so. This one off corporate lark is different. I wonder is Sean Cavanagh getting such a dinner? He has been as important to Tyrone as Colm was to Kerry. Would HM Revenue be very kindly disposed in their treatment of the proceeds of same? Colm Cooper isn't being handed a dinner. This is a commercial enterprise and there is absolutely nothing stopping Seán Cavanagh trying something similar.
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Post by glengael on Oct 9, 2017 10:58:35 GMT
Very pedantic this morning back West... Long live the corporate commercial enterprise!( that last phrase is meant in a sarcastic fashion by the way).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 9, 2017 11:06:16 GMT
Very pedantic this morning back West... Long live the corporate commercial enterprise!( that last phrase is meant in a sarcastic fashion by the way). Your language suggests this event is something that has been offered to Colm Cooper and not others when this isn't really the case.
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Post by moth on Oct 9, 2017 11:44:47 GMT
I AM NOT SO SURPRISED WITH THE TSG3 VIEWS BUT, .... AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO USE THE WORK FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO ASK TWICE.P.S. The bold capitals reflects how strongly my view is on the subject, as opposed to a raised voice. I thought that capitals were against forum guidelines. I'll try to be brief: 1. I resent being shouted at, whether or not i agree with you views, which I don't. I read your input as "I've decided that it is OK, so everyone who does not agree with Ballythefireside should shut up". 2. Gooch has given us great enjoyment, as have many others. If he is in need of funds, then he should say so. From where I'm sitting, he has a full time job, a book out for Christmas, the TSG gig and probably more gigs than any other retired footballer outside of Dublin. This tesetimonial is, to me, a money grab. 3. Up until now, I gave time to help out at underage, as I felt I'd like to give back for the enjoyment I get from the GAA. Lets be honest, I've nearly walked before, but this is the straw to break the back - I'm not going back next year. 4. If a player from another county was the first to do this (and I expect more to follow), I suspect that most contributors would be bemoaning the continued dilution of the amateur etos within the GAA. Because Gooch is one of ours, I have been slow to air my views.
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Post by glengael on Oct 9, 2017 12:02:14 GMT
Very pedantic this morning back West... Long live the corporate commercial enterprise!( that last phrase is meant in a sarcastic fashion by the way). Your language suggests this event is something that has been offered to Colm Cooper and not others when this isn't really the case. Sometimes it is very difficult to allow for all possible interpretations that might be put on one's written words.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 9, 2017 15:17:43 GMT
And as we have seen in the past while, media work, even good quality popular media work can be taken away when the man or woman writing the cheques decides to do so. Look at Seo Spoirt, the best TV sports show produced in Ireland = gone. Jim McG, Darragh, Nicky English and Kevin McStay among others, won't be getting any phonecalls from Marconi House for a quick chat about the All Stars, International Rules etc anytime soon because the boss man says so. This one off corporate lark is different. I wonder is Sean Cavanagh getting such a dinner? He has been as important to Tyrone as Colm was to Kerry. Would HM Revenue be very kindly disposed in their treatment of the proceeds of same? Colm Cooper isn't being handed a dinner. This is a commercial enterprise and there is absolutely nothing stopping Seán Cavanagh trying something similar. I really dont get the hullabaloo here- there are plenty of people earning good money off the back of the players- GAA officers, pubs, people in the media, etc so whats wrong with Cooper availing of some money that people are willing to pay to see him. Its fairly simple economics- would I pay for it- no but others would so let them off. He is using his profile to generate cash- he wont be the only lad in the GAA doing this by the way!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 9, 2017 19:06:22 GMT
I AM NOT SO SURPRISED WITH THE TSG3 VIEWS BUT, .... AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO USE THE WORK FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO ASK TWICE.P.S. The bold capitals reflects how strongly my view is on the subject, as opposed to a raised voice. I thought that capitals were against forum guidelines. I'll try to be brief: 1. I resent being shouted at, whether or not i agree with you views, which I don't. I read your input as "I've decided that it is OK, so everyone who does not agree with Ballythefireside should shut up". 2. Gooch has given us great enjoyment, as have many others. If he is in need of funds, then he should say so. From where I'm sitting, he has a full time job, a book out for Christmas, the TSG gig and probably more gigs than any other retired footballer outside of Dublin. This tesetimonial is, to me, a money grab. 3. Up until now, I gave time to help out at underage, as I felt I'd like to give back for the enjoyment I get from the GAA. Lets be honest, I've nearly walked before, but this is the straw to break the back - I'm not going back next year. 4. If a player from another county was the first to do this (and I expect more to follow), I suspect that most contributors would be bemoaning the continued dilution of the amateur etos within the GAA. Because Gooch is one of ours, I have been slow to air my views. I qualified my choice of text and in any event I wasn't aware of such guidelines. If you feel I am dictating then I regret that but it is not my intention and as you say you read what wasn't written, my point is that there is nothing without the Gooch's and it is a bit hypocritical for others who earn money to condemn him, moreover as he probably made a bigger impact than any of them. Should the community deny itself of the benefit of hearing what he has to say after such a remarkable career? - I don't think so. As regards other players didn't Shefflin have such an event already? Rugby lads do it and volunteers don't go on strike, well if they did they wouldn't be volunteers. I see fellas in Listowel Race Company working for the good of their community and love of the sport, then only clap your back if you win the €200k Kerry National, Denis Brosnan never took a cent as Chairman of Horse Racing Ireland yet he transformed the industry and put it on a solid footing. I think you are great to help out and as many do but with respect I don't see how you can compare the two - sense of proportion like, I helped a little but as I live outside Kerry I am limited so I write poetry about Kerry football and I didn't charge, well not yet - the reason is that one has to prove themselves first, otherwise people won't know what they are buying. Give me a shout when I publish and I'll forward you a personally signed copy, but don't shout too loud as it gets fellas into all sorts of trouble! P.S. Did I get that right re Shefflin?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 11, 2017 8:28:07 GMT
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Post by glengael on Oct 11, 2017 8:50:18 GMT
Happened to hear most of Colm's interview on Newstalk last night. Again he came across very well. Who was the presenter I think he was called Joe, have Ger Gilroy, Parkinson etc left?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 11, 2017 9:20:26 GMT
Happened to hear most of Colm's interview on Newstalk last night. Again he came across very well. Who was the presenter I think he was called Joe, have Ger Gilroy, Parkinson etc left? Gilroy is still there. Parkinson has gone to Joe.ie. His podcast is excellent (the GAA Hour --- probably finished until the new year).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 11:26:24 GMT
Happened to hear most of Colm's interview on Newstalk last night. Again he came across very well. Who was the presenter I think he was called Joe, have Ger Gilroy, Parkinson etc left? Gilroy is still there. Parkinson has gone to Joe.ie. His podcast is excellent (the GAA Hour --- probably finished until the new year). The podcast will now just be weekly and will be both hurling and football.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 11, 2017 12:09:08 GMT
Gilroy is still there. Parkinson has gone to Joe.ie. His podcast is excellent (the GAA Hour --- probably finished until the new year). The podcast will now just be weekly and will be both hurling and football. I saw none in 6 days and assumed it was all over. Nice one.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 11, 2017 12:11:48 GMT
Happened to hear most of Colm's interview on Newstalk last night. Again he came across very well. Who was the presenter I think he was called Joe, have Ger Gilroy, Parkinson etc left? Joe Molloy did the Gooch interview.
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Post by glengael on Oct 11, 2017 12:30:11 GMT
Happened to hear most of Colm's interview on Newstalk last night. Again he came across very well. Who was the presenter I think he was called Joe, have Ger Gilroy, Parkinson etc left? Joe Molloy did the Gooch interview. Thanks clarinman, hadn't heard him before.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 12, 2017 10:09:47 GMT
Looks like the GAA are looking to stop testimonial dinners according to Pádraic Duffy.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 12, 2017 12:12:52 GMT
Looks like the GAA are looking to stop testimonial dinners according to Pádraic Duffy. I don't see how they can to be honest.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 12, 2017 12:16:46 GMT
Maybe they could get out of the aussie rules contagion arrangement first..... Or is the junket too good to give up.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2017 12:33:00 GMT
Free trips to Australia don't grow on trees.......................................
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2017 12:35:38 GMT
Looks like the GAA are looking to stop testimonial dinners according to Pádraic Duffy. Does the GAA pay Duffy's pension in retirement or how does that work? It must be substantial as he is on 250k per year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 12, 2017 12:37:18 GMT
Looks like the GAA are looking to stop testimonial dinners according to Pádraic Duffy. Does the GAA pay Duffy's pension in retirement or how does that work? I'm sure he'll be well looked after regardless.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2017 12:39:14 GMT
Does the GAA pay Duffy's pension in retirement or how does that work? I'm sure he'll be well looked after regardless. I'm sure he will but what is it costing the GAA?
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 12, 2017 13:07:55 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2017 14:07:55 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2017 14:19:21 GMT
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 12, 2017 19:05:34 GMT
This is just tough talk, I don't think he can act on it. If the GAA did try to stop a player, for example by suspending him from club and county activity, it would be terrible publicity. The GAA will have to grin and bear it. One of the Dubs will surely do this soon enough. Quite a few of them are in their 30s. I am glad all the same to see Duffy speaking out and articulating the values of the GAA.
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