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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2017 9:28:43 GMT
Brolly has himself engraved all over this.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 7, 2017 9:38:12 GMT
The inclusion of charity and other causes while positive in itself bugs me when the actual cut is undisclosed - I support raising money for good causes but it's tainted by pocketing some for oneself.
The Brolly character pockets 100% and at least we know where we stand with him - he bemoans players (and former players it seems) from financial gain but has no problem taking his own shilling from RTÉ and others including clubs struggling to make ends meet (appearance money at club fundraisers).
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 10:00:44 GMT
The inclusion of charity and other causes while positive in itself bugs me when the actual cut is undisclosed - I support raising money for good causes but it's tainted by pocketing some for oneself. The Brolly character pockets 100% and at least we know where we stand with him - he bemoans players (and former players it seems) from financial gain but has no problem taking his own shilling from RTÉ and others including clubs struggling to make ends meet (appearance money at club fundraisers). More people might go because there is a charity donation element. If it was purely for Colm, charities would get zero. I do agree with you that the cut should be disclosed.
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Post by aranteorainn on Oct 7, 2017 10:16:54 GMT
The inclusion of charity and other causes while positive in itself bugs me when the actual cut is undisclosed - I support raising money for good causes but it's tainted by pocketing some for oneself. The Brolly character pockets 100% and at least we know where we stand with him - he bemoans players (and former players it seems) from financial gain but has no problem taking his own shilling from RTÉ and others including clubs struggling to make ends meet (appearance money at club fundraisers). Brolly has repeatedly said he does not take money from clubs for appearances. His RTE gig is a job , he gets paid for it.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 7, 2017 10:49:40 GMT
The inclusion of charity and other causes while positive in itself bugs me when the actual cut is undisclosed - I support raising money for good causes but it's tainted by pocketing some for oneself. The Brolly character pockets 100% and at least we know where we stand with him - he bemoans players (and former players it seems) from financial gain but has no problem taking his own shilling from RTÉ and others including clubs struggling to make ends meet (appearance money at club fundraisers). More people might go because there is a charity donation element. If it was purely for Colm, charities would get zero. I do agree with you that the cut should be disclosed. This is a corporate event. The charity aspect allows those donating 5000 per table to avail of a tax write off.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 11:05:30 GMT
I google "tax deduction for Donations to charity" This accountant in Donegal explains it well. www.edwinfoley.ie/Donations-to-charityMy reading of it is that if I donate 100 euro to a charity, Revenue will pay an extra 31 euro on top. No refunds made to the individual any more since 2013 So I cant see too much wrong with Revenue topping up any money that Colms designated charities receive by 31%
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 7, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
The inclusion of charity and other causes while positive in itself bugs me when the actual cut is undisclosed - I support raising money for good causes but it's tainted by pocketing some for oneself. The Brolly character pockets 100% and at least we know where we stand with him - he bemoans players (and former players it seems) from financial gain but has no problem taking his own shilling from RTÉ and others including clubs struggling to make ends meet (appearance money at club fundraisers). Brolly has repeatedly said he does not take money from clubs for appearances. His RTE gig is a job , he gets paid for it. Perhaps any Stacks contributors could confirm if he received anything for his appearance at their big bash last year. Happy to correct my comments if that element is incorrect. His RTE gig is 100% due to his GAA profile - it is the only reason he was given this paid role.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 7, 2017 12:54:56 GMT
I google "tax deduction for Donations to charity" This accountant in Donegal explains it well. www.edwinfoley.ie/Donations-to-charityMy reading of it is that if I donate 100 euro to a charity, Revenue will pay an extra 31 euro on top. No refunds made to the individual any more since 2013 So I cant see too much wrong with Revenue topping up any money that Colms designated charities receive by 31% The tax situation above only applies to individual contributions. Companies can claim tax relief on charitable donations as they are treated as a trading expense. I suspect most of the tables for this event have been bought by companies or businesses.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 13:12:32 GMT
Found this;.....
Donations from companies When a company makes a donation to a charity or approved body, it is the company that claims the relief. There is no grossing up arrangement in this case.
Calculating the relief on donations from companies Example Company X donates €1,000 to an approved body in 2016. The Corporation Tax rate is 12.5%, so the relief that the company can claim is €125 (€1,000x12.5%).
In this example the approved body has the benefit of receiving €1,000, but the cost to the company of making the donation is only €875 (€1,000 - €125). The company simply claims a tax deduction on the donation as if it were a trading expense.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 13:23:04 GMT
So
Lets pretend the whole thing is for a charity......
If an individual buys two tickets costing 100 euro, the charity gets 129 euro (100 from the individual and 29 from Revenue)
If a company buYs two tickets costing 100 euro, the charity get 100 euro and the company claims back 12.5 in corporation tax so the real cost to the company is 87.50
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 13:27:25 GMT
I cant see too much wrong with that either. Revenue allows the company to claim the cost as an expense at 12.5% but think of the tax collected on drink, employees wages on the night.....
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2017 16:25:06 GMT
This is like a lesson in Biz Org at School!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2017 16:26:45 GMT
The real eye opener here is that Revenue have no interest in the event.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2017 16:57:24 GMT
This is like a lesson in Biz Org at School!
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Post by ballhopper34 on Oct 7, 2017 20:00:47 GMT
Does the cost of the night come out of Colm's take or the charities?
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Post by thirdson on Oct 8, 2017 0:25:07 GMT
Let's cut the crap out here. Cooper is on an earner cause of his status as an ex Kerry gaa player. High profile and why not. Brolly is a hypocrite as is o rourke. Either there are no earnings from being a player/ ex player or there are nt. A testimonial is no different from being on tv, selling a book, selling clothes in dunnes, having it above a business etc. Players using their fame/ brand / whatever to promote themselves . Those (and I mean brolly et al)who criticise cooper are hypocrites of the highest order.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2017 9:21:20 GMT
Pat Spillane has become the latest GAA personality to disagree with Colm Cooper's decision to have a testimonial dinner, saying that it 'is another step away from the roots' of the association. The event to mark the Kerry legend's retirement will see some of the money given to charity and GAA causes, with Cooper also getting a portion. Joe Brolly has been one of many vocal pundits who have expressed their disappointment with the arrangement, claiming that the testimonial flies in the face of what the GAA is supposed to be about. Writing in his Sunday World column today, Spillane expresses similar sentiments, and hopes that the backlash to Cooper's testimonial will dissuade other players from holding them.
"Hats off to the Gooch for coming up with this gig before anyone else," Spillane said. "But here's one who doesn't think it is a good idea. It sets a dangerous precedent and at a time when clubs and county boards are struggling to raise money, from any source they can, the idea that a player should benefit like this is nuts.
"It is another step away from the roots of the GAA, and yes, this path takes us towards elitism. "Unless all the proceeds are given to charity or GAA units, the Gooch's testimonial should be two in one: the first of them and the last of them."
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2017 9:22:26 GMT
A league table on the greatest hypnotics in relation to this issue would be interesting.
Brolly and Spillane would be well up there
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 9:34:36 GMT
Maybe Spillane and Brolly might consider donating the proceeds of their media related work to charity and their clubs in 2018 and put their money where their mouths are, literally?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 9:37:07 GMT
Pat Spillane has become the latest GAA personality to disagree with Colm Cooper's decision to have a testimonial dinner, saying that it 'is another step away from the roots' of the association. The event to mark the Kerry legend's retirement will see some of the money given to charity and GAA causes, with Cooper also getting a portion. Joe Brolly has been one of many vocal pundits who have expressed their disappointment with the arrangement, claiming that the testimonial flies in the face of what the GAA is supposed to be about. Writing in his Sunday World column today, Spillane expresses similar sentiments, and hopes that the backlash to Cooper's testimonial will dissuade other players from holding them. "Hats off to the Gooch for coming up with this gig before anyone else," Spillane said. "But here's one who doesn't think it is a good idea. It sets a dangerous precedent and at a time when clubs and county boards are struggling to raise money, from any source they can, the idea that a player should benefit like this is nuts. "It is another step away from the roots of the GAA, and yes, this path takes us towards elitism. "Unless all the proceeds are given to charity or GAA units, the Gooch's testimonial should be two in one: the first of them and the last of them." Clubs were always struggling, nothing new in that.
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Post by glengael on Oct 8, 2017 10:53:45 GMT
In his Late Late Show interview Colm says that he was first approached about the testimonial idea 'a few years ago' but put it off as he was still playing. So clearly this wasn't dreamt up very recently.
Overall the interview wasn't as bad as I expected, given Tubridy's lack of interest in sport. He said that Philly McMahon would be on next week, if I heard correctly, so clearly they are belatedly acknowledging the Al win.
The IT interview with Duggan is very interesting, I know he didn't ghost write the book, but the content would tempt me towards buying it. Colm has a lot of interesting perspectives and articulates them well.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2017 11:07:52 GMT
Agree, the Gooch seems to have opinions on things. It is one of the few of these sports books that I will buy and read.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 11:42:59 GMT
In his Late Late Show interview Colm says that he was first approached about the testimonial idea 'a few years ago' but put it off as he was still playing. So clearly this wasn't dreamt up very recently. Overall the interview wasn't as bad as I expected, given Tubridy's lack of interest in sport. He said that Philly McMahon would be on next week, if I heard correctly, so clearly they are belatedly acknowledging the Al win. The IT interview with Duggan is very interesting, I know he didn't ghost write the book, but the content would tempt me towards buying it. Colm has a lot of interesting perspectives and articulates them well. McMahon is just on to sell his book. I doubt there will be much football chat and the focus will be on Philly's background which is probably what Philly wants anyway
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Post by glengael on Oct 8, 2017 12:05:36 GMT
I didn't know there was a book there as well.
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Post by aranteorainn on Oct 8, 2017 12:39:13 GMT
A league table on the greatest hypnotics in relation to this issue would be interesting. Brolly and Spillane would be well up there Hypocrites I assume.
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Post by aranteorainn on Oct 8, 2017 12:41:01 GMT
Let's cut the crap out here. Cooper is on an earner cause of his status as an ex Kerry gaa player. High profile and why not. Brolly is a hypocrite as is o rourke. Either there are no earnings from being a player/ ex player or there are nt. A testimonial is no different from being on tv, selling a book, selling clothes in dunnes, having it above a business etc. Players using their fame/ brand / whatever to promote themselves . Those (and I mean brolly et al)who criticise cooper are hypocrites of the highest order. Getting paid for doing TV work has nothing to do with a player getting a testimonial.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2017 14:24:12 GMT
A league table on the greatest hypnotics in relation to this issue would be interesting. Brolly and Spillane would be well up there Hypocrites I assume. yes....
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 8, 2017 14:41:43 GMT
In his Late Late Show interview Colm says that he was first approached about the testimonial idea 'a few years ago' but put it off as he was still playing. So clearly this wasn't dreamt up very recently. Overall the interview wasn't as bad as I expected, given Tubridy's lack of interest in sport. He said that Philly McMahon would be on next week, if I heard correctly, so clearly they are belatedly acknowledging the Al win. The IT interview with Duggan is very interesting, I know he didn't ghost write the book, but the content would tempt me towards buying it. Colm has a lot of interesting perspectives and articulates them well. Vincent Hogan was the ghostwriter. Had a decent article on the process during the week.
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Post by Aodhan on Oct 8, 2017 15:45:46 GMT
A league table on the greatest hypnotics in relation to this issue would be interesting. Brolly and Spillane would be well up there Hypocrites indeed and add in Colm O'Rourke also. All three played in NY as well paid mercenaries, plus flight and expenses. Spillane played for Clare, on one occasion he got paid during his stay and when dropped off at the airport got paid by mistake a second time. Of course not a word out of the bold Pat.
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Post by fitz on Oct 8, 2017 19:02:09 GMT
Let's cut the crap out here. Cooper is on an earner cause of his status as an ex Kerry gaa player. High profile and why not. Brolly is a hypocrite as is o rourke. Either there are no earnings from being a player/ ex player or there are nt. A testimonial is no different from being on tv, selling a book, selling clothes in dunnes, having it above a business etc. Players using their fame/ brand / whatever to promote themselves . Those (and I mean brolly et al)who criticise cooper are hypocrites of the highest order. Getting paid for doing TV work has nothing to do with a player getting a testimonial. But they are to do with them being players/former players,else I wouldn't mind having a crack at the Sunday Game on Sunday afternoon for some coin. So it's an argument of what avenues it is acceptable to receive money by way of status as specific person,within the GAA. What constitutes work? Brolly gives orations on Sunday afternoon, Gooch will have to do one on the night of the testimonial. People want to show up for Colm, it's their money to do with as they want. The money to charity regardless of how is being generated is a benefit to sick and will be very welcomed. Sure, I'm over-simplifying, but the GAA is far from a monument to untouched purity, so agree with the hypocrisy opinions referenced by many on here. TBH I'm hoping it won't tarnish the great memories, performances and the honour and class in which they were delivered, by the greatest forward I've ever seen.
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