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Post by skybluezone on Sept 13, 2017 14:02:58 GMT
Despite all the bull* about Leeroy pulling Dermos jersey last year, the reality is that Mayo have never been nasty enough to do what others do to win. Mayo they will do so on sunday Were they nasty enough v Kerry do you think?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2017 15:00:25 GMT
They didnt have to be.
Can you imagine the treatment Con would get if he were playing for Mayo. Will Mayo do that?
We will know on sunday
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 13, 2017 15:35:20 GMT
They didnt have to be. Can you imagine the treatment Con would get if he were playing for Mayo. Will Mayo do that? We will know on sunday The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 13, 2017 21:21:11 GMT
They didnt have to be. Can you imagine the treatment Con would get if he were playing for Mayo. Will Mayo do that? We will know on sunday The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line. They were possibly 6 points better than Dublin in the first game last year and still only drew! They will need to get the majority if not all of the big decisions on Sunday to win.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 8:26:10 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 8:27:53 GMT
They didnt have to be. Can you imagine the treatment Con would get if he were playing for Mayo. Will Mayo do that? We will know on sunday The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line. How many points is playing this game at home worth to Dublin, 6-8 points?
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 12:33:46 GMT
The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line. They were possibly 6 points better than Dublin in the first game last year and still only drew! T hey will need to get the majority if not all of the big decisions on Sunday to win. So what will happen if the ref makes all the right decisions?
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 12:40:02 GMT
The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line. How many points is playing this game at home worth to Dublin, 6-8 points?Same as its always been I suppose. Think of a number that you think Dublin will win by, then add one more to it and thats usually the number of points that playing at home is worth to Dublin. If you don't think they'll win then there is no point in asking the question. For example, no one did between 1996 - 2010.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 14, 2017 13:49:29 GMT
They didnt have to be. Can you imagine the treatment Con would get if he were playing for Mayo. Will Mayo do that? We will know on sunday The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line.Dublin didnt need to be 3 pts better in 2011. Sunday might be the day that everything goes right for Mayo and Dublin get shafted. I doubt it however.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 14:45:03 GMT
The reality is not that Mayo weren't nasty enough in the recent past, it was that they were not good enough when it mattered. They have enough bogeys now in the form of Boyle Keegan O'Connor and Doherty to a degree. Like most teams trying to break the glass ceiling, they probably need to be at least 3pts better on Sunday to ensure they get over the line.Dublin didnt need to be 3 pts better in 2011. Sunday might be the day that everything goes right for Mayo and Dublin get shafted. I doubt it however. Dublin won't get shafted in Croke Park.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 15:00:29 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there.
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Post by seaniethepony on Sept 14, 2017 15:24:54 GMT
Id Dubs win on Sunday some of them will be collecting their 5th All Ireland medal. Cluxton, Brogan, Connolly, Flynn etc. Obviously excluding Kerrymen I cant think of any other to win 5.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2017 15:39:34 GMT
Mullins has four. This will be McQuillans third. I think Anton oToole might have four.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 15:49:14 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there. Croke Park is worth more than 3 points to Dublin, 6-8 points at this stage.
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Post by fitz on Sept 14, 2017 16:39:31 GMT
Either you think that Croke Park is an advantage or not. I think everybody agrees that it is. The points total estimation is pointless because it is immeasurable because of the variety of inputs. Just opinions, which I know forums are almost totally about - but this one seems to have no finish line for any consensus, anywhere or anytime.
Symptomatic of the winter approaching...
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 16:49:19 GMT
Either you think that Croke Park is an advantage or not. I think everybody agrees that it is. The points total estimation is pointless because it is immeasurable because of the variety of inputs. Just opinions, which I know forums are almost totally about - but this one seems to have no finish line for any consensus, anywhere or anytime. Symptomatic of the winter approaching... Immeasurable usually means an awful lot. In this context home advantage to Dublin is huge!
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 19:44:20 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there. So a total of 3points then given that McQuillan is from Cavan. Quick quiz. Dublin have lost 2 Championship games in the last 7 years. Who was the ref in both?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 20:05:20 GMT
Those 3 points have come in handy these past few years. I am just happy for joe going for 3 in a row.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 21:01:48 GMT
Those 3 points have come in handy these past few years. I am just happy for joe going for 3 in a row. Sound. He's been the key difference these last few years. Kicking points for sport. It was great that the AIG money came along at just the right time to coach the likes of Joe through all those development squads. He's been earmarked for greatness from an early age.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:10:56 GMT
Joe has done his bit but I am sure he would not want any credit taken from the players, coaches etc either. It really is a collective effort.
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Post by dubaroo on Sept 15, 2017 6:06:51 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there. So a total of 3points then given that McQuillan is from Cavan. Quick quiz. Dublin have lost 2 Championship games in the last 7 years. Who was the ref in both? Sssshhhhh Sky....that doesn't fit the narrative here!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 15, 2017 7:55:37 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there. So a total of 3points then given that McQuillan is from Cavan. Quick quiz. Dublin have lost 2 Championship games in the last 7 years. Who was the ref in both? There wasnt much he could do in 2014 when dublin had no defence against donegal. If connolly hadnt missed two open goals early on. You cant expect joe to do everything. In 2012, he played 7 mins injury time to give a chance of an equalizer v mayo. Dublin were not at the pitch in those games as they were defending champs. Tis hard for him to do it on his own in fairness. I mean BB was put clean through with only clarke to beat and he blew it. Give joe a break. Anyway skybluezone....enjoy the game. I hope the underdog prevails. You can understand that. Its a great time to be a dub. The 16 years in the wilderness makes this all the sweeter i am sure. I cant conceive a sutuation where dublin will have a valley period again however
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Post by homerj on Sept 15, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
Given that Dublin now play every league game in Croke park, it is worth 3 points minimum. Add in a local ref and you have another 3 points there. So a total of 3points then given that McQuillan is from Cavan. Quick quiz. Dublin have lost 2 Championship games in the last 7 years. Who was the ref in both? in that Mayo game he was absolutely scandalous and did everything he could to ride Mayo. there is no doubt, having Mcquillan as ref the next day, is a massive advantage
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Post by Aodhan on Sept 15, 2017 13:59:59 GMT
The wheels have come full circle since 2011, back then rugby was captivating the minds of the youth in the capital and Croke Park had to do something about it. That 2M loss they felt was the best money they ever "spent".
Now the GAA badly needs a Mayo win and if they can keep it close going into the last 10 minutes there is no better man than Joe to deliver.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 15, 2017 14:19:38 GMT
Ah lads we're wicked hoors altogether.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 15, 2017 14:34:47 GMT
They were possibly 6 points better than Dublin in the first game last year and still only drew! T hey will need to get the majority if not all of the big decisions on Sunday to win. So what will happen if the ref makes all the right decisions? There will be a lot of decisions that could go either way and Mayo will need the majority of those to go their way. You mentioned in an earlier post about the 'soft' penalty decision that McQuillan gave Mayo in the drawn 2015 SF. That was one of 3 penalty calls in that game, the one that Dublin got in the first half, the one that Mayo didn't get in the first half (for a foul on AOS) and the one you say was 'soft' that Mayo got in the first half. The only definite thing that could be said about those 3 incidents was that the Dublin penalty shouldn't have been given as it was a yard outside the box. So those 3 decisions went against Mayo 2-1. I'm not saying Mayo would have won in 2015 if 2 or even all 3 of those decisions went their way but they will need those decisions on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 14:51:13 GMT
The wheels have come full circle since 2011, back then rugby was captivating the minds of the youth in the capital and Croke Park had to do something about it. That 2M loss they felt was the best money they ever "spent". Now the GAA badly needs a Mayo win and if they can keep it close going into the last 10 minutes there is no better man than Joe to deliver. Agreed, if mayo can stay with Dublin, joe could yet again be the decisive factor.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 15, 2017 15:45:39 GMT
So a total of 3points then given that McQuillan is from Cavan. Quick quiz. Dublin have lost 2 Championship games in the last 7 years. Who was the ref in both? There wasnt much he could do in 2014 when dublin had no defence against donegal. If connolly hadnt missed two open goals early on. You cant expect joe to do everything. In 2012, he played 7 mins injury time to give a chance of an equalizer v mayo. Dublin were not at the pitch in those games as they were defending champs. Tis hard for him to do it on his own in fairness. I mean BB was put clean through with only clarke to beat and he blew it. Give joe a break. Anyway skybluezone....enjoy the game. I hope the underdog prevails. You can understand that. Its a great time to be a dub. The 16 years in the wilderness makes this all the sweeter i am sure. I cant conceive a sutuation where dublin will have a valley period again however To summarise your points, Dublin deservedly lost in 2012 and 2014 matches. I agree, we were not good enough on both occasions.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 15, 2017 15:59:58 GMT
Dublin by 5 to 8 points for me. They're just too strong all over the field and on the line.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 15, 2017 21:49:07 GMT
I find it impossible to call the final on Sunday. I don’t think it will be a classic – it will be a series of well rehearsed drills, most initiated by kickouts. There won't be more than a few points in it in the end. Dublin will do the usual – play the “horseshoe” pattern – get the ball into the corner, feed it back and across the half forward line into the other corner. Step two: repeat step one continuously until an opening is found, usually near the centre forward position where an off the shoulder runner or a runner on the loop can cut through the centre. This almost always results in a score. If Mayo can reduce the scores coming from this Dublin may not get enough to win. Dublin have a few tactics for winning possession from the opposition. One is to literally throw their body at the player in possession, sometimes recklessly. The ball is invariably coughed up. They appear to have worked on this on and off the pitch so trying to resist it is futile. The simple antidote to it is to have the player in possession turn their back at the last second so the action becomes an aggressive shoulder in the back - a definite free and maybe a yellow card. They also pull/push at the elbows of the player in possession who is trying to kick/solo the ball. The solution if soloing is not to run a straight predictable line, or alternatively to let the player get near enough to get the legs entangled – a sure free kick. Fenton and Mannion are particularly good at this and getting away with it. So I don’t think Dublin are unbeatable. Mayo are battle hardened. They are not beaten until 10 minutes after the final whistle, after time added on, after extra time. They will have to keep Dublin’s score as low as possible. They will have to take all the chances they get.
Their game plan is much less complicated than Dublin’s. Most of their defenders are traditional tight markers. They have several players that can go forward and take scores.
Dublin feed on success as the game progresses. Kildare knew this and gave them the toughest game they got so far. Based purely on resilience I will give a hesitant vote to Mayo.
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