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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 16:01:13 GMT
We have played Clare, a poor Cork, and an underwhelming Galway. Two big name counties with teams that were a little damp in the squib area. We are matched with Mayo now, another Connacht team, to play an All Ireland SF. If we get on the next level how tempered, and trialled will we be. Dublin, and especially Tyrone have had a better run, even though their scores reflect a greater dominance. Maybe the super 8 will be an improvement, at least that way there should be some good challengers to prepare teams for the final.
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Post by mayo4sam on Aug 11, 2017 16:09:37 GMT
dingledude, there were 3 1/4 finalists from connacht. Galway would have made a game of it if they scored any of their 5 goal chances. The real question is will Kerry be ready for Mayo?
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 11, 2017 16:15:29 GMT
We have played Clare, a poor Cork, and an underwhelming Galway. Two big name counties with teams that were a little damp in the squib area. We are matched with Mayo now, another Connacht team, to play an All Ireland SF. If we get on the next level how tempered, and trialled will we be. Dublin, and especially Tyrone have had a better run, even though their scores reflect a greater dominance. Maybe the super 8 will be an improvement, at least that way there should be some good challengers to prepare teams for the final. How do you reckon the Super 8 will be an improvement and provide more challenging games - the 8 teams that made the QF's are effectively the Super 8 and the QF's showed the level of mis-match in this supposed elite group. The Super 8 simply means more meaningless drivel for TV. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 16:20:52 GMT
Each member of the "top 4" wont meet each of the other three members of the "top 4" in this super 8 system. Go figure.
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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 16:24:34 GMT
We have played Clare, a poor Cork, and an underwhelming Galway. Two big name counties with teams that were a little damp in the squib area. We are matched with Mayo now, another Connacht team, to play an All Ireland SF. If we get on the next level how tempered, and trialled will we be. Dublin, and especially Tyrone have had a better run, even though their scores reflect a greater dominance. Maybe the super 8 will be an improvement, at least that way there should be some good challengers to prepare teams for the final. How do you reckon the Super 8 will be an improvement and provide more challenging games - the 8 teams that made the QF's are effectively the Super 8 and the QF's showed the level of mis-match in this supposed elite group. The Super 8 simply means more meaningless drivel for TV. Point taken from both, apologies to Mayo4sam if it appeared that I was slighting Connacht. Yes Galway had chances, two were good chances, but Kerry felt that had only to play in a very low gear, and couldn't muster the enthusiasm to give entertainment. On reflection I accept the point about drivel, especially as it currently stands, with only the big 3, perhaps even 2, having a chance. |
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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 16:29:10 GMT
Each member of the "top 4" wont meet each of the other three members of the "top 4" in this super 8 system. Go figure. Don't understand, thought each would play 3 games? |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
If Kerry and Mayo are in group 1 and Dublin and Tyrone are in group 2, will Kerry get to play Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone?
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 11, 2017 16:42:19 GMT
If Kerry and Mayo are in group 1 and Dublin and Tyrone are in group 2, will Kerry get to play Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone? The only slight positive of the format is that the eventual winner will have to play at least two of the other supposed top four teams and possibly all three depending on how the semi finals work out. The real problem is trying to find a top 8 when in reality we are fortunate in the years we have a top 4. It will mean less chance of a "lucky" All Ireland for an ok side that might have had a favourable draw in the past. The home/away and Croke Park games will mean Dublin play one big game outside Croke Park each year against one of their pool opponents. How these are fixed is anybodys guess - Killarney will be licking their lips at the prospect of another bumper weekend. May also give the GAA some headaches as they have seen fit to move home games to a neighbouring county when the home ground was deemed too small to accomodate the Dublin fans. |
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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 16:44:53 GMT
If Kerry and Mayo are in group 1 and Dublin and Tyrone are in group 2, will Kerry get to play Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone? Is it a "seeded" round robin? |
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Post by piggott on Aug 11, 2017 16:53:31 GMT
If Kerry and Mayo are in group 1 and Dublin and Tyrone are in group 2, will Kerry get to play Mayo, Dublin and Tyrone? Is it a "seeded" round robin? In 2017 Group 1 will contain Munster champs Ulster champs, Leinster runners up or team that beats them in Round 4 and Connaught runners up or team that beats them in round 4. Group 2 will contain Leinster champs Connaught champs, Munster runners up or team that beats them in Round 4 and Ulster runners up or team that beats them in round 4. Semi finals will be played August week end, winners Group 1 v Runners up Group 2 and winners Group 2 v Runners up Group 1 |
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Post by piggott on Aug 11, 2017 16:54:18 GMT
That should read In 2018
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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 17:02:16 GMT
Is it a "seeded" round robin? In 2017 Group 1 will contain Munster champs Ulster champs, Leinster runners up or team that beats them in Round 4 and Connaught runners up or team that beats them in round 4. Group 2 will contain Leinster champs Connaught champs, Munster runners up or team that beats them in Round 4 and Ulster runners up or team that beats them in round 4. Semi finals will be played August week end, winners Group 1 v Runners up Group 2 and winners Group 2 v Runners up Group 1 Thanks for the explanation. It is clear to me now. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 20:22:48 GMT
HE NEWS IS positive for Kerry on the injury front as they gear up for Sunday week’s All-Ireland semi-final against Mayo.
Kerry manager Éamonn Fitzmaurice confirmed last night that attacker Kevin McCarthy and the experienced Bryan Sheehan, both of whom were not involved in the quarter-final against Galway, are back in the frame.
Kilcummin player McCarthy started at centre-forward in the Munster final success over Cork while St Mary’s player Sheehan has had his season disrupted with injury since the league final win over Dublin in April.
Star forward James O’Donoghue, man-of-the-match in that provincial decider against Cork, had his preparations for the Galway hampered by an injury concern and while he did start against the Tribesmen, he was noticeably quiet and didn’t manage to score from play.
But Fitzmaurice is confident all those knocks will have cleared up before the battle with Stephen Rochford’s side and squad member Denis Daly is the only player who will definitely miss out.
“We’re not too bad injury wise. Now touch wood because the last time we did a press conference I was saying the same thing and we picked up a few knocks afterward so hopefully we’ll get from here to next week okay.
“Denis Daly is the only fella. He had a hamstring injury, he played a club game the weekend of the Galway game trying to come back and he hurt his ankle so he’s out for the medium term really, indefinitely at the moment. Other than that we’re good.”
“Kevin had a quad injury that he’s coming back from at the moment but he should be okay. It was an injury concern.
“He aggravated it the week of the game and that was that for the Galway game. Of course he’ll be in the mix, absolutely if he’s fit.
“Bryan’s fine and (James) is fine.”
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 11, 2017 20:41:15 GMT
I took the bold Darragh's advice and am largely ignoring the Mayo vs Ross game but I did have a look back at the Kerry vs Mayo league game in Tralee from February.
Maybe it tells us something we already know? We should have been home and hosed at half time being six points up at one stage and missing a penalty into the bargain but Mayo rode their luck and doggedly hung in there. In the second half, we made a complete hero out of Andy Moran with no pressure on the ball coming into him.
One thing that struck me again was the cuteness of the Mayo players, no more so as when the row broke out near the end and Tom Parsons was happy taking a red card because Mayo carried home points while killing the clock - EXPERIENCE! They were quite physical at times too and often even when a Kerry player scored a Mayo player was horsing into him, giving shoulder belts or pushing off the ball. Mayo came to put down a marker and bully us that evening in Tralee not just for points. In the second half they achieved both! Darragh is right, Fitzmaurice won't be showing the Kerry players the Ross video! We found out in 2014 these Mayo boys have a bitter streak and are not afraid to mix it and give it, they reminded us again last February. We know what's coming and we will be ready.
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Post by fitz on Aug 11, 2017 22:29:15 GMT
dingledude, there were 3 1/4 finalists from connacht. Galway would have made a game of it if they scored any of their 5 goal chances. The real question is will Kerry be ready for Mayo? The real question is whether Mayo can shed themselves of the conditioning that they have had to absorb from playing Kerry in the last 20 years, not meant in jest, a serious point. Pavlov and his dog experiment explains the details. I don't doubt Mayo's resolve and heart, but there's the line. Now, after everything, can Mayo cross it and if they do there's a strong chance a similar blue line will be in the way. Can they cross that? If they do both, well fcuk it, that would be some achievement. Let's see. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 11, 2017 22:39:52 GMT
If Mayo beat Kerry, or win the All-Ireland, or both; they will be roundly applauded around here but frankly it won't matter a jot because they'll be too busy rejoicing.
Once they get there, they'll have deserved it.
(Not in my lifetime hopefully - the beating us that is).
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Post by dingledude on Aug 11, 2017 23:14:40 GMT
If Mayo beat Kerry, or win the All-Ireland, or both; they will be roundly applauded around here but frankly it won't matter a jot because they'll be too busy rejoicing. Once they get there, they'll have deserved it. (Not in my lifetime hopefully - the beating us that is). If by some freak, Mayo can take us next Sunday week, I would love to see them push on and go the whole way. I am a big fan of Mayo football, it is tough, fast, powerful, but it has got to be said as well, that it is wasteful and naive. They can be a bit nasty as well, and whinge a bit when a team is tough back. They are the little brother in football...we like to see them doing well, but not at our expense. |
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Post by brucewayne on Aug 12, 2017 2:11:38 GMT
Mayo are cack. That they made heavy timber out of Derry, Cork and the Bo Peeps says enough.
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Post by dingledude on Aug 12, 2017 13:47:00 GMT
Mayo are cack. That they made heavy timber out of Derry, Cork and the Bo Peeps says enough. True enough, but they are as yet unbeaten. |
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Post by keane on Aug 12, 2017 15:40:11 GMT
Galway beat them.
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 12, 2017 17:29:42 GMT
Mayo are cack. That they made heavy timber out of Derry, Cork and the Bo Peeps says enough. This years performances by Mayo (bar replay Roscommon game)would suggest Kerry will have too much for them. But they were in an All Ireland Final in 2012,2013, lost replay semi final to eventual winners 2014, lost replay semi to eventual winners in 2015, lost replay All Ireland Final 2016. They are a lot better than "cack" and have players that can do damage . Right them off at your peril. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2017 17:47:22 GMT
Mayo are cack. That they made heavy timber out of Derry, Cork and the Bo Peeps says enough. This years performances by Mayo (bar replay Roscommon game)would suggest Kerry will have too much for them. But they were in an All Ireland Final in 2012,2013, lost replay semi final to eventual winners 2014, lost replay semi to eventual winners in 2015, lost replay All Ireland Final 2016. They are a lot better than "cack" and have players that can do damage . Right them off at your peril. I can't believe I am saying this...but might Dublin and the Dublin fans actually prefer to take on Kerry than the Mayo beasht? |
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 12, 2017 18:29:25 GMT
This years performances by Mayo (bar replay Roscommon game)would suggest Kerry will have too much for them. But they were in an All Ireland Final in 2012,2013, lost replay semi final to eventual winners 2014, lost replay semi to eventual winners in 2015, lost replay All Ireland Final 2016. They are a lot better than "cack" and have players that can do damage . Right them off at your peril. I can't believe I am saying this...but might Dublin and the Dublin fans actually prefer to take on Kerry than the Mayo beasht? Being honest Tyrone is the only thing on our mind. It's going to be a huge battle. Personally i haven't given Kerry or Mayo any thought as possible opponents. I was changing my mind every minute as to who I wanted to win in the Mayo v Roscommon drawn game. Mayo I feel they are a team playing well in patches and terrible at other times. , but they have experienced players well able for the big occasion . Kerry will have to be fully focused on Mayo and if you attack with aggression like you did to us in both games in the league you should win , but if Kerry have one eye on us and your midfield have an off day you could easily get caught. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 19:19:10 GMT
In fairness the vast majority respect Mayo and expect a huge battle. One or two dont rate Mayo..thats all.
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 12, 2017 19:56:11 GMT
In fairness the vast majority respect Mayo and expect a huge battle. One or two dont rate Mayo..thats all. Ah I know that. Some of our own can be similar and seem at ease declaring from their keyboards that Mayo are finished. Even though we only just got past them last year in replayed final. . Although most Dubs realise the threat they pose . |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 21:37:30 GMT
In fairness the vast majority respect Mayo and expect a huge battle. One or two dont rate Mayo..thats all. Ah I know that. Some of our own can be similar and seem at ease declaring from their keyboards that Mayo are finished. Even though we only just got past them last year in replayed final. . Although most Dubs realise the threat they pose . Most Dubs have good reason to realise the threat they pose. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2017 22:14:36 GMT
Spillane may have got it right this evening with Miriam that Dublin will beat Kerry in the final. We'd take that at the moment......................
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2017 22:17:49 GMT
I can't believe I am saying this...but might Dublin and the Dublin fans actually prefer to take on Kerry than the Mayo beasht? Being honest Tyrone is the only thing on our mind. It's going to be a huge battle. Personally i haven't given Kerry or Mayo any thought as possible opponents. I was changing my mind every minute as to who I wanted to win in the Mayo v Roscommon drawn game. Mayo I feel they are a team playing well in patches and terrible at other times. , but they have experienced players well able for the big occasion . Kerry will have to be fully focused on Mayo and if you attack with aggression like you did to us in both games in the league you should win , but if Kerry have one eye on us and your midfield have an off day you could easily get caught. It will take a Dublin meltdown to record a loss to Tyrone in this game. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2017 22:18:36 GMT
This years performances by Mayo (bar replay Roscommon game)would suggest Kerry will have too much for them. But they were in an All Ireland Final in 2012,2013, lost replay semi final to eventual winners 2014, lost replay semi to eventual winners in 2015, lost replay All Ireland Final 2016. They are a lot better than "cack" and have players that can do damage . Right them off at your peril. I can't believe I am saying this...but might Dublin and the Dublin fans actually prefer to take on Kerry than the Mayo beasht? Ballox. |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 12, 2017 22:41:26 GMT
Kerry are up against it here big time Mayo are much stronger and more physical they have huge momentum after a very enjoyable run of games that gave them much needed time to tweak their playing style.They also introduced depth to their
Panel with plenty options now to bring in blooded subs
Our organization and scoring nous will have to be at its best to compensate otherwise we're talking next year
Mayo's full back line maybe an opportunity for us if we exploit it properly. Our plan v Galway seems to have been
Long ball to Donaghy first half and change it up the second half
May be better served if we alternate the long ball with the wide ball throughout the entire game to keep their backs on the run but two men always on Donaghy in the center
If Lyne does get playing time which I hope he does will done one tell him to take the shackles off and open up his game
He plays like he's driving with the handbrake on
It's a long time since he scored those two great
Points against mayo when we last me in the all Ireland semifinal
We need more if that from a player who has not realized his potential yet under this management
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