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Post by givehimaball on Jul 21, 2017 19:52:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:20:43 GMT
So say David Clifford or Sean o shea play senior football next year, they will be ineligible. Kind of diminishes the thing if the best players are ineligible
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 21, 2017 21:03:14 GMT
They can play NFL next year. Only ineligible if they play county senior championship in 2018. Most young players will go with the u20s for the few months and revert back if good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:25:20 GMT
Eamonn might like Clifford training with the seniors and maybe give him a 5 minute runout say in a Munster final. This would be less likely to happen now as it would mean Clifford missing out on an entire u20 campaign
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 21, 2017 22:15:48 GMT
Is their any distinction between league and championship - would playing Mc Grath Cup or League rule O Se and Clifford out of U20. Tendency to blood players in league and few make it to the championship team in same year but may a year later. Seems to be a belief they need 12-18 months in squad for conditioning before making step up to championship. Just a sense I get.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jul 21, 2017 22:33:26 GMT
This competition will start in mid summer I think
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:38:27 GMT
Kerry will have a strong team for it.
1 Billy Courtney
2 David Naughton 3 Chris O'Donoghue 4 Graham O'Sullivan
5 Mike Potts 6 Michael Foley 7 Daniel O'Brien
8 Mark Ryan 9 Diarmuid O'Connor
10 Dara Moynihan 11 Sean O'Shea 12 Brendan O'Mahony
13 Brian Friel 14 David Clifford 15 David Shaw
16 Cormac Leane 17 Mike Breen 18 Niall Collins 19 Fiachra Clifford 20 Donal O'Sullivan
21 Donnacha O'Sullivan 22 Caolim Teahan 23 Eddie Horan 24 Sean O'Leary 25 Cian Gammell
26 Cormac Linnane
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Post by kot on Jul 26, 2017 9:20:18 GMT
Going to put it out there. I wouldn't be giving this number to Jack.
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Post by hatchetman on Jul 26, 2017 10:47:27 GMT
What about Darragh?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 26, 2017 11:21:10 GMT
I presume thats a joke- if not then I will treat as one anyway |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 26, 2017 11:28:35 GMT
Going to put it out there. I wouldn't be giving this number to Jack. It's hanging in the air - care to elaborate and offer an alternative? |
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Post by kot on Jul 26, 2017 13:28:29 GMT
Going to put it out there. I wouldn't be giving this number to Jack. It's hanging in the air - care to elaborate and offer an alternative? Well if Peter Keane manages to do the 4 in a row, he may be a better alternative. I think Jack has been slow to react and allowed Kerry teams to be "caught on the hop" so to speak in a number of situations. Games he was slow to react and change things around were Tyrone, Donegal, Dublin in '11. When presented with a challenge I think he froze and has been outfoxed tactically and got big calls wrong. In terms of being caught on the hop, Down in '10 and only most recently the capitulation against Galway for the U21s. Just my opinion of course but I would have reservations about Jack getting the role and the potential path being laid out for him to resume in charge of the seniors when/if Fitz has enough some day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:46:39 GMT
I would like to see Tommy Griffin and Sean O'Sullivan involved in some capacity. Both know the players and underage talent in Kerry very well.
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Post by fivenarow on Jul 26, 2017 15:59:57 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't see anything wrong with JOC taking charge of this team, he knows the players better then anyone. I'd like to see Marc o Se or even gooch involved in the coaching side of things but it would be hard to overlook the selectors that have been with Jack over the past few years. In fairness they did very little wrong bar for the mishap against Galway & IMO that was down to players not performing on the day rather than management.
We're lucky to have such a multitude of good coaches & underage players at that level at the moment. If Peter Keane & co do the business at u17 & u18 level & want to stay then why even think about changing them.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 26, 2017 16:52:13 GMT
It is difficult to know what conversations are taking place in the background and therefore difficult to know what competition exists for team management roles. All I can say is that we appear to have a structured approach that is keeping us at the cutting edge of the game and therefore I bow to the superior knowledge of those orchestrating the process and wish them continued success. Ultimately in this game its success that is the only measure of the decisions made and we seem to be batting well by this yardstick.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2017 9:34:21 GMT
Rule relating to eligibility clarified in Kerry's Eye today -
Any player named in a senior championship match day squad becomes ineligible for the u20 grade. Based on this Sean O Se would be ineligible for U20 by virtue on being named in the match day squad regardless of game time.
Will be interesting to see how JOC and EF negotiate this in 2018 and I guess O Se and Clifford will be the main prospects under the microscope - huge loss to the U20 if they are not available. Then again this rule is countywide and not just Kerry.
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Post by fivenarow on Jul 27, 2017 10:35:47 GMT
Rule relating to eligibility clarified in Kerry's Eye today - Any player named in a senior championship match day squad becomes ineligible for the u20 grade. Based on this Sean O Se would be ineligible for U20 by virtue on being named in the match day squad regardless of game time. Will be interesting to see how JOC and EF negotiate this in 2018 and I guess O Se and Clifford will be the main prospects under the microscope - huge loss to the U20 if they are not available. Then again this rule is countywide and not just Kerry. A stupid rule IMO, it won't really effect the u20 football championship too much as the AI final is nearly finished before the senior championship gets into full swing but it could cause serious issues for the hurling counties. I'm not sure how it works if a guy makes the panel at 18 but doesn't the following year when he's still u20? Potentially you could have your best u20 players sitting on the sideline for 2 games & then ruling them out for their whole u20 career. I don't know who comes up with this stuff?? |
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Post by kot on Jul 27, 2017 15:09:56 GMT
Rule relating to eligibility clarified in Kerry's Eye today - Any player named in a senior championship match day squad becomes ineligible for the u20 grade. Based on this Sean O Se would be ineligible for U20 by virtue on being named in the match day squad regardless of game time. Will be interesting to see how JOC and EF negotiate this in 2018 and I guess O Se and Clifford will be the main prospects under the microscope - huge loss to the U20 if they are not available. Then again this rule is countywide and not just Kerry. A stupid rule IMO, it won't really effect the u20 football championship too much as the AI final is nearly finished before the senior championship gets into full swing but it could cause serious issues for the hurling counties. I'm not sure how it works if a guy makes the panel at 18 but doesn't the following year when he's still u20? Potentially you could have your best u20 players sitting on the sideline for 2 games & then ruling them out for their whole u20 career. I don't know who comes up with this stuff?? Was it a recommendation of the burn out report by the GPA way back when? |
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Post by fivenarow on Jul 27, 2017 15:25:16 GMT
A stupid rule IMO, it won't really effect the u20 football championship too much as the AI final is nearly finished before the senior championship gets into full swing but it could cause serious issues for the hurling counties. I'm not sure how it works if a guy makes the panel at 18 but doesn't the following year when he's still u20? Potentially you could have your best u20 players sitting on the sideline for 2 games & then ruling them out for their whole u20 career. I don't know who comes up with this stuff?? As the U20 competition will start in mid June it will have a major impact on this grade. Munster senior championship will be played before the U20s commences. The rule AFAIK is confined to players who appear on the Senior panel not being eligible for the U20 team in the same season. Where the rule will turn farcical will be for a player named on a Senior panel but getting no game time and even though his Senior team is out of the Championship he is unable to line out for his U20 team. How will this benefit his development. Kerry generally would have very few U20 players making a Senior Championship panel but a lot of other Counties would be hugely dependant on them. These players would be critical to a County's U20 team while only being a panel member for a Senior squad. Didn't know that cool1, I had presumed that it would be running the same time as the u21s have been so starting it in mid June makes it even more farcical IMO. It's worse on the weaker counties that tend to play fellows just out of minor or u17 as it will be from now on. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2017 15:40:35 GMT
As the U20 competition will start in mid June it will have a major impact on this grade. Munster senior championship will be played before the U20s commences. The rule AFAIK is confined to players who appear on the Senior panel not being eligible for the U20 team in the same season. Where the rule will turn farcical will be for a player named on a Senior panel but getting no game time and even though his Senior team is out of the Championship he is unable to line out for his U20 team. How will this benefit his development. Kerry generally would have very few U20 players making a Senior Championship panel but a lot of other Counties would be hugely dependant on them. These players would be critical to a County's U20 team while only being a panel member for a Senior squad. Didn't know that cool1, I had presumed that it would be running the same time as the u21s have been so starting it in mid June makes it even more farcical IMO. It's worse on the weaker counties that tend to play fellows just out of minor or u17 as it will be from now on. It will be interesting to see if it has any effect on the Summer exodus to the US - will the possibility of playing county U20 keep youngfellas at home. Also if its anything like the minor set up it could impact clubs with player availibility as I would assume they will be prevented from playing club league fxtures by the management. Then again it could all be over in 1 game..... no backdoor in this competition. Time will tell but I am not a fan of the changes they made. |
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