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Post by timmy on Aug 1, 2017 21:24:59 GMT
Any comments on Enright s Mcmenamin type shoulder or Donaghy s hands around the neck. Jerseys worn irrelevant in the interests of fairness . I thought Enright's was a black or possibly a red when I saw it in real time but when I saw the replay it looked like he couldn't really do much about it. He had actually stopped and turned into the player more to protect himself that anything. Rory Kavanagh said much the same last night on TSG. Having said all that he could easily have gotten a black. Donaghy's incident looked nasty and he probably should have gotten a yellow card for it. It was never going to be a red. He has a habit of grabbing players by the throat (usually with only the one hand though ) and I think he does it because its not striking and so you're less likely to be sent off for it. Shane's one was a yellow at most. It was also a marker. Pity more Kerry lads don't do this. Might stop all these runners coming from deep. I thought The Gooch should have opened his mouth and backed up for the 2 Kerry lads. I guarantee Whelan would have backed Dublin lads if they were involved. Though he would have more guts than that. Tomas O'Se would have backed them.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 1, 2017 22:02:31 GMT
Well done Kerry, thought Brian Kelly and donaghy played really well. Thought cooper was right to say nothing on KD as he couldn't be unbiased, wouldn't do himself or anyone any favors. When will we know if KD will be penalized. Hope he will be free to play, he'd be a big loss.
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Post by 1979 on Aug 1, 2017 22:11:03 GMT
I thought Enright's was a black or possibly a red when I saw it in real time but when I saw the replay it looked like he couldn't really do much about it. He had actually stopped and turned into the player more to protect himself that anything. Rory Kavanagh said much the same last night on TSG. Having said all that he could easily have gotten a black. Donaghy's incident looked nasty and he probably should have gotten a yellow card for it. It was never going to be a red. He has a habit of grabbing players by the throat (usually with only the one hand though ) and I think he does it because its not striking and so you're less likely to be sent off for it. Shane's one was a yellow at most. It was also a marker. Pity more Kerry lads don't do this. Might stop all these runners coming from deep. I thought The Gooch should have opened his mouth and backed up for the 2 Kerry lads. I guarantee Whelan would have backed Dublin lads if they were involved. Though he would have more guts than that. Tomas O'Se would have backed them.
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Post by 1979 on Aug 1, 2017 22:18:32 GMT
Shane's one was a yellow at most. It was also a marker. Pity more Kerry lads don't do this. Might stop all these runners coming from deep. I thought The Gooch should have opened his mouth and backed up for the 2 Kerry lads. I guarantee Whelan would have backed Dublin lads if they were involved. Though he would have more guts than that. Tomas O'Se would have backed them. Agreed that Enright's was a yellow. Surprised the McGuinness considers it a "stonewall" black as I wouldn't have considered it an off the ball check. It was a late, hard, tackle deserving of a yellow. If you got a black for that in a club game you would not be a happy bunny. While he makes some good points in the article, I found some of it a little disingenuous. I think Kerry would consider themselves in the chasing pack for as long as Dublin are the AI champions! Finally, I thought the Gooch was dead right to keep quiet on TSG, he would have been on a hiding to nothing if he said anything and the meeja would have been all over it.
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Post by fitz on Aug 1, 2017 22:27:28 GMT
I thought Enright's was a black or possibly a red when I saw it in real time but when I saw the replay it looked like he couldn't really do much about it. He had actually stopped and turned into the player more to protect himself that anything. Rory Kavanagh said much the same last night on TSG. Having said all that he could easily have gotten a black. Donaghy's incident looked nasty and he probably should have gotten a yellow card for it. It was never going to be a red. He has a habit of grabbing players by the throat (usually with only the one hand though ) and I think he does it because its not striking and so you're less likely to be sent off for it. Shane's one was a yellow at most. It was also a marker. Pity more Kerry lads don't do this. Might stop all these runners coming from deep. I thought The Gooch should have opened his mouth and backed up for the 2 Kerry lads. I guarantee Whelan would have backed Dublin lads if they were involved. Though he would have more guts than that. Tomas O'Se would have backed them. Maybe he agreed that it was a black or red, it was bad, and looked deliberate to me. The Gooch I'm sure is his own man, always has been, has had to have plenty of guts to become legendary player he is.He's on the Sunday Game to give an unbiased, neutral viewpoint. Tthat takes more guts and class. Spillane, Brolly and Dessie fail miserably at it.
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2017 22:41:13 GMT
Agreed that Enright's was a yellow. Surprised the McGuinness considers it a "stonewall" black as I wouldn't have considered it an off the ball check. It was a late, hard, tackle deserving of a yellow. If you got a black for that in a club game you would not be a happy bunny.While he makes some good points in the article, I found some of it a little disingenuous. I think Kerry would consider themselves in the chasing pack for as long as Dublin are the AI champions! Finally, I thought the Gooch was dead right to keep quiet on TSG, he would have been on a hiding to nothing if he said anything and the meeja would have been all over it. Not sure than Enright did much at all beyond standing his ground and turning the shoulder to protect himself. The commentator complained that Shane didn't get out of the way - he's not obliged to get out of the way! OK, maybe he did use a little forward force as well but this was arguably necessary to offset the momentum of his opponent and avoid being flattened. Yellow at worst for me, and debatable yellow at that.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 6:59:59 GMT
It wouldn't even be considered a yellow pre black card.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 7:15:18 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 2, 2017 9:45:50 GMT
Maybe I'm overly biased but I didnt even consider what Enright did- a yellow either- as he was committed to the challenge and the other guy released it. It wasnt intentional at all
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Post by jackiel on Aug 2, 2017 11:45:30 GMT
obviously some people thought it was a black - Killian went flying down the steps of the Hogan soon as it happened.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 2, 2017 12:44:31 GMT
I watched the game again. I cannot remember a better “long ball to the full forward” goal in Croke Park than Donaghy’s on Sunday.
I think he has nailed his place if we meet Dublin for 3 reasons. There is his current form. There is the way he deals with exponents of the dark arts considering what went unpunished in the NLF.
Tactically, if he stands near the post Dublin will have to keep 2 players back, one to mark him and a sweeper standing 10 yards in front. He will also be invading Cluxton’s space.
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Post by peanuts on Aug 2, 2017 12:48:31 GMT
I watched the game again. I cannot remember a better “long ball to the full forward” goal in Croke Park than Donaghy’s on Sunday. I think he has nailed his place if we meet Dublin for 3 reasons. There is his current form. There is the way he deals with exponents of the dark arts considering what went unpunished in the NLF. Tactically, if he stands near the post Dublin will have to keep 2 players back, one to mark him and a sweeper standing 10 yards in front. He will also be invading Cluxton’s space. Just as long as the players out the field don't take the easy option (especially when they'll be under more pressure than they were on Sunday)and lamp aimless long balls into the FF line. When this happens and the defenders come out with the ball it gives a great lift to the opposition. KD is unlikely to have it as easy against Mayo (regardless of 2014) and certainly won't against the Dubs or Tyrone if we end up facing them.
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Post by homerj on Aug 2, 2017 17:25:01 GMT
the best thing about Donaghy is the absolute fear he puts into teams.
if we play Mayo, they will have nightmares about him. you need a tactic to defend against him. and same for JOB and Paul Geaney.
Donaghy is a massive asset to us.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 2, 2017 20:27:05 GMT
Is donaghy safe from ccc
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Post by gamechanger10 on Aug 3, 2017 7:54:02 GMT
Hard to know but in the Star on Tuesday they reckoned that he was safe as the only sanction available to the official for the infraction is a yellow card. This must be the reason Bart hasn't been removed from the Simpson home be the Childservices !!!
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Post by fitz on Aug 3, 2017 16:16:40 GMT
the best thing about Donaghy is the absolute fear he puts into teams. if we play Mayo, they will have nightmares about him. you need a tactic to defend against him. and same for JOB and Paul Geaney. Donaghy is a massive asset to us. Even if he doesn't play well he's playing well
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 3, 2017 18:03:57 GMT
the best thing about Donaghy is the absolute fear he puts into teams. if we play Mayo, they will have nightmares about him. you need a tactic to defend against him. and same for JOB and Paul Geaney. Donaghy is a massive asset to us. Even if he doesn't play well he's playing well Joe McMahon and Rory oCarroll would be unimpressed with the pathetic attempt by Galway to stymie Donaghy.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 12:14:32 GMT
Kerry will rinse the pick of Mayo and Roscommon. You can book your weekend for the final. . Have you changed your mind on the "rinsing" business.
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Post by glengael on Aug 12, 2017 12:19:03 GMT
The Galway game was I reckon the first time since 1991 that a senior panel went to Croke Park without an O'Sé in it. And prior to that you'd have to go back to 1972 methinks....
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 12:27:23 GMT
Yes.... if you limit it to an O'Se from Ard a bhothair
Micheal was probably playing in 1972.
Thorny was there in the 60s....
I wonder how far back does it go that the name O'Se didnt feature on a Kerry panel going to Croke Park
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 12, 2017 19:48:01 GMT
91 semi final against Down?
Edit: Just saw that above, some record in fairness.
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