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Post by ciarrailar on May 27, 2017 20:37:17 GMT
Just seen this in relation to Brendan O'Sullivan. Failed a test but Sport Ireland agree that whatever the violation was, it wasn't intentional. Delighted for Brendan as he is a very genuine guy and a fierce hard worker. At least this explains his dropping from the senior panel. Hope to see him back in the green and gold very soon!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 23:16:55 GMT
Source?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 28, 2017 10:20:21 GMT
It is up on the main site.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 10:44:05 GMT
Strange how it takes a year for this story to come out.
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Post by whitefire on May 28, 2017 11:12:31 GMT
It may have been unintentional but the county board statement should explain exactly how the substance was taken unintentionally rather than saying there will be no further comment. This could well be used by anti Kerry pundits during the year against us. It looks very bad.
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Post by kerrygold on May 28, 2017 11:15:29 GMT
So how long was he suspended for? Looks like real cloak and dagger stuff coming out over 12 months later. People here know my onions on this drug testing crap at this level of strictness for amateur county players! Some day an innocent player is going to get incorrectly badly tarnished.
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Post by onlykerry on May 28, 2017 12:49:27 GMT
So how long was he suspended for? Looks like real cloak and dagger stuff coming out over 12 months later. People here know my onions on this drug testing crap at this level of strictness for amateur county players! Some day an innocent player is going to get incorrectly badly tarnished. Difficult one, particularly in an amateur sport - huge onus on players and agree there is a risk to reputation. The alternative argument is it protects players by ensuring some pumped up idiot does not do damage to himself or others.
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Post by ciarrailar on May 28, 2017 12:57:24 GMT
I think the county board are waiting for Sport Ireland to make an official statement. Either way, I agree this could tarnish a player's reputation. The statement says it was unintentional so it could be something as simple as taking an inhaler that contains a banned substance..... Funny how it took so long to come out though.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 28, 2017 13:21:19 GMT
Was he not described as injured last year?
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Post by An Bradán on May 28, 2017 14:07:13 GMT
Disappointing news and a lack of information not helping. I'm sure Brendan O'Sullivan would rather not be involved in this but it simply should not have happened. With the medical and nutritional expertise attached to the county team no player should be in this position.
The onus is always on the athlete no matter what the sport to ensure what he takes into his or her body doesn't contain banned substances whether intentional or not.
Doping controls are an essential part of ensuring our games remain something we can believe in. They also ensure the safety of our players.
More information is required to clear this up for the sake of the player, the team, the county board and supporters.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 28, 2017 14:17:51 GMT
All I can say is that this is an odd situation and the way it has been dealt with adds extra, unnecessary suspicion.
With regards to testing amateur players- it's a necessity to ensure the integrity of the game is upheld but I do agree that someone could get dragged through the coals unnecessarily.
Maybe a centralised GAA committee should be set up to advise players on an ongoing basis
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 15:12:01 GMT
While I have sympathy for the argument that amateur players should not have this type of testing, ultimately I believe it is for the greater good and protects players.
The lack of info from the county board in particular is making it appear that there is something to hide.
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Post by Mickmack on May 28, 2017 15:47:17 GMT
Best to wait for full information before commenting.
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Post by buck02 on May 28, 2017 16:14:41 GMT
Somebody has dropped the ball here.
There must have been a breakdown of communications between one or all of the sports council, the county board, the medical team and the player in question. It was unlikely it was the sports council who are the blame. So the fault lies between the county board, medical team and the player.
I find it strange that this has taken over a year to become public knowledge. It seems to have been poorly handled. I'd say if you go back through the press releases from the team announcements last year you will see Brendan Sullivan described as having a back injury.
Mike Quirke wrote a good article about this issue in the last year or so. I must try find it.
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Post by kerrygold on May 28, 2017 17:39:44 GMT
Depends on how we view our players, hobbyists or pawns in a 60 million euro business. These testing parameters are far too strict for hobbyists and are on a par with professional sports people earning millions every year. So if Brendan couldn't prove his innocence in this case, probably a very fine line, he would have been know as the drugs cheat from Valentia Island serving a four year sporting ban. Far too high a price to pay for a hobbyist player. The fact alone this was covered up for over a year suggests we are dealing with very fine lines regarding these players reputations. Is there a policy to keep these test results quiet and was this leaked or what is the story? What ever the case this strict in depth level of drug testing looks like street trading to me, in other words, a load of crap. Do we need this in depth level of testing to keep the game clean for hobbyists? Hardly. Seems bizarre that a player would serve a ban in this instance at all, did it cost a fringe player a Munster championship medal in 2016?
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Post by Mickmack on May 28, 2017 18:16:35 GMT
Question......Is a player not allowed play for club or county till the "process" runs its course?
The test took place after the league final v Dublin in 2016
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Post by southward on May 28, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
Somebody has dropped the ball here. There must have been a breakdown of communications between one or all of the sports council, the county board, the medical team and the player in question. It was unlikely it was the sports council who are the blame. So the fault lies between the county board, medical team and the player. I find it strange that this has taken over a year to become public knowledge. It seems to have been poorly handled. I'd say if you go back through the press releases from the team announcements last year you will see Brendan Sullivan described as having a back injury. Mike Quirke wrote a good article about this issue in the last year or so. I must try find it. I think it's a remarkable achievement to keep this quiet for a whole year. So did he get a one-year ban then or what?
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Post by glengael on May 29, 2017 9:09:08 GMT
That is the thing that struck me. How did they keep it under wraps for a whole year? A sharp contrast to the 2008 case where there seemed to be a scramble to publicise the story.
Did I hear somewhere that Sport Ireland are to issue a statement in the coming week ?
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Post by buck02 on May 29, 2017 11:42:28 GMT
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Post by glengael on May 29, 2017 12:07:38 GMT
Maybe in the same way that food products can be contaminated, i.e in the manufacturing process ?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
I would guess that it was not clear that the offending ingredient was contained on the supplement.
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Post by givehimaball on May 29, 2017 13:42:00 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on May 29, 2017 13:48:49 GMT
That is the thing that struck me. How did they keep it under wraps for a whole year? A sharp contrast to the 2008 case where there seemed to be a scramble to publicise the story. Did I hear somewhere that Sport Ireland are to issue a statement in the coming week ? I have a notion that a couple of solicitor's letters were sent in 2008, because of how the media made it into a bit of a witch-hunt ; as such I'd imagine the various press outlets have been a bit more careful this time around.
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Post by buck02 on May 29, 2017 14:22:43 GMT
A solicitors letter should be on its way to the manufacturer of the supplement if it didnt state it had this MHA substance in it.
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Post by Jo90 on May 29, 2017 14:51:01 GMT
From what I've read so far it's clear O'Sullivan isn't a drugs cheat but may be guilty of naeivity to the point of foolishness or else bad luck depending on the circumstances i.e. Was the supplement approved by someone within the Kerry setup e.g. a doctor or dietician? Was the supplier also approved or was it bought online or elsewhere by O'Sullivan? What process is used by Kerry setup to validate suppliers of supplements?
As the suspension was lifted due to the likely innocence of O'Sullivan, why is the name of an innocent amateur sportsman been dragged through the mud by the national media (again)?
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Post by animal on May 29, 2017 14:57:06 GMT
A solicitors letter should be on its way to the manufacturer of the supplement if it didnt state it had this MHA substance in it. I would love to see more detail on this especially in regard to the product itself. Methylhexaneamine can be found in dietary weight loss supplements. Was the player taking the product under the guidance of the squad's medical team or was it a solo run? If the former was the case then it may have been easier to show that it was a case of contamination in an ordinarily fine product i.e. an outlier. If it was the latter i.e. a solo run then he only has himself to blame I'm afraid. The problem unfortunately is that "contaminated supplement" is the "dog ate my homework" excuse of the doping world. It is an excuse often scoffed at by anti-dopers and campaigners. The statement by Sport Ireland does not offer much clarification.
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Post by 6 in a row on May 29, 2017 15:00:01 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2017 19:20:45 GMT
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Post by wideball on May 29, 2017 21:13:14 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2017 21:29:28 GMT
According to the above article, the drug is only slightly more powerful than a cup of coffee ....so says the professor in Toronto.....
That can hardly be true can it?
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