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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2017 19:53:57 GMT
East Kerry will meet a very strong South Kerry team on Wednesday night. No foregone conclusion that they will win.Spa and Dr Crokes a big loss to East Kerry. When did Dr Crokes last play with EK at any level??!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 23, 2017 20:17:03 GMT
East kerry have been discussed on here before but I'll say it again-they have made a sham of this competition. I don't understand why some of the senior clubs in the division can't have joined together- like rathmore and kilcummin used to just to stop one team being overly strong That's what they did, they took spa away from East Kerry? If you look at east Kerry's team last Wednesday. It was nothing special. That's one club- rathmore, kilcummin and legion are all senior clubs- be nice if they could muster up a pair of balls between themselves
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Post by tman59 on Jun 23, 2017 20:55:39 GMT
That's what they did, they took spa away from East Kerry? If you look at east Kerry's team last Wednesday. It was nothing special. That's one club- rathmore, kilcummin and legion are all senior clubs- be nice if they could muster up a pair of balls between themselves Name 2 clubs left with East Kerry that are strong enough to go on their own?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 24, 2017 9:20:46 GMT
That's one club- rathmore, kilcummin and legion are all senior clubs- be nice if they could muster up a pair of balls between themselves Name 2 clubs left with East Kerry that are strong enough to go on their own? As I said earlier- teams like rathmore or kilcummin could join together as they have before. But I think the whole point of fielding club teams seems to be missed here
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Post by tman59 on Jun 24, 2017 11:09:54 GMT
Name 2 clubs left with East Kerry that are strong enough to go on their own? As I said earlier- teams like rathmore or kilcummin could join together as they have before. But I think the whole point of fielding club teams seems to be missed here Kilcummin had one player playing with East Kerry on Wednesday.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 24, 2017 11:54:38 GMT
what year did Kilcummin win the minor county title
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 24, 2017 12:01:19 GMT
2010 I'd say.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 24, 2017 12:21:54 GMT
As I said earlier- teams like rathmore or kilcummin could join together as they have before. But I think the whole point of fielding club teams seems to be missed here Kilcummin had one player playing with East Kerry on Wednesday. I agree with you completely- it's idiotic and short sighted that a team who are struggling to maintain their senior status are only giving one player from the club the opportunity to play under 21 championship football when they could have 15 playing or even 7/8 if they joined up with one other club. Sure at this rate they'll struggle to keep any players from that age group involved with their club at all. That was your point, wasn't it?
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2017 13:24:54 GMT
Yes it was 2010 - west kerry in 2011, St Brendans in 2012, East Kerry 2013, Dingle 2014 & 2015 and E Kerry last year. What surprised me was the Shannon Rangers withdrawl particularly as they included Ballydonoghue and their all conquering feile underage side that actualy played minor championship (as a club and got to the final I think - maybe it was league final) on their own only 2? years ago. This highlights the challenge of transitioning underage to seniors and the absolute need for serious effort by clubs and the county to be more proactive and supportive of this grade. This is the biggest arguement for ensuring a competitive competition avoiding the easy option of big divisional sides at this grade.
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Post by tadgh10 on Jun 24, 2017 15:17:09 GMT
Think it was mid kerry that won in 2013
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Post by tman59 on Jun 24, 2017 16:36:44 GMT
No it wasn't EK won it in 13
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Post by 1955 on Jun 24, 2017 16:52:18 GMT
Mid Kerry won the title in 2013 under the current south Kerry manager dicey o reilly
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Post by tadgh10 on Jun 24, 2017 17:02:15 GMT
2013 mid kerry beat st kierans in the final and dicey oreilly was indeed the trainer check your facts tman
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Post by tman59 on Jun 24, 2017 20:11:03 GMT
Apologies got mixed up with minors . EK minors won championship in 2013. Yes now I remember mid kerry winning in 13.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2017 22:16:05 GMT
Apologies got mixed up with minors . EK minors won championship in 2013. Yes now I remember mid kerry winning in 13. Sadly the county website no longer has a role of honour for the various county titles hard won by sides over the years.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 25, 2017 2:07:54 GMT
Apologies got mixed up with minors . EK minors won championship in 2013. Yes now I remember mid kerry winning in 13. Sadly the county website no longer has a role of honour for the various county titles hard won by sides over the years. That is something that needs to be fixed...I'm sure the County Board retains all that information, or use the newspapers in the county library to gather same...nice project for a summer intern.
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Post by piggott on Jun 25, 2017 14:34:54 GMT
Surely the point of the County Under 21 Championship should be to have the 300 or so best players in the County a chance to compete in it with a realistic chance of winning a county medal.District teams give players from weaker clubs that chance.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 25, 2017 14:42:23 GMT
Surely the point of the County Under 21 Championship should be to have the 300 or so best players in the County a chance to compete in it with a realistic chance of winning a county medal.District teams give players from weaker clubs that chance. Primary purpose of the u21 grade is to give a Bridge between minor and senior - absolutely nothing wrong with divisional sides in this context. However clubs that aspire to Div 1 status (those in D1 and contenders for promotion from D2 as a minimum) should be capable and ambitious enough to field club sides in the u21 grade as a means of retaining underage/minor players they have developed over many years. Smaller clubs should amalgamate and create divisional sides again with the purpose of maximising player retention to keep their senior team (whatever division) fed with new blood.
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Post by piggott on Jun 25, 2017 16:57:45 GMT
So the Under 21 County Championship is there for Clubs with aspirations?
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 25, 2017 17:16:32 GMT
So the Under 21 County Championship is there for Clubs with aspirations? Read what I said - it's their to Bridge the gap and maximise player retention from underage to senior. Twist it however you like thereafter.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 25, 2017 17:16:42 GMT
So the Under 21 County Championship is there for Clubs with aspirations? Read what I said - it's their to Bridge the gap and maximise player retention from underage to senior. Twist it however you like thereafter.
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Post by piggott on Jun 25, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
So the Under 21 County Championship is there for Clubs with aspirations? Read what I said - it's their to Bridge the gap and maximise player retention from underage to senior. Twist it however you like thereafter. I think the Under 21 Club competition should achieve that. Then to avoid mismatches there should be different divisions. Weaker clubs would probably be using most if not all their Under 21s at senior level anyway.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 26, 2017 8:46:27 GMT
Read what I said - it's their to Bridge the gap and maximise player retention from underage to senior. Twist it however you like thereafter. I think the Under 21 Club competition should achieve that. Then to avoid mismatches there should be different divisions. Weaker clubs would probably be using most if not all their Under 21s at senior level anyway. And the club competition was not played last year for whatever reason. The previous year it was played with a number of small clubs coming together - Annascaul/Castlegregory/+1 got to the semi final or final if my memory is right which seems strange in a club competition.
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Post by yellowbelly on Jun 28, 2017 20:59:58 GMT
Crokes, East Kerry, Mid Kerry and Kenmare District into the Semi Finals
Dingle 0-16 - 3-13 Mid Kerry Dr Crokes 2-15 - 1-15 Kerins O`Rahillys East Kerry 2-10 - 3-4 South Kerry Spa 2-7 - 1-11 Kenmare District
East v South was more exciting than good. South Kerry trailed by two with ten to go and just kept going for goal. Hit the post and missed 3 other good goal chances only to be caught on the break and concede a goal. They went straight back down the field and goaled but ran out of time. Shane Ryan MotM for East Kerry, few decent saves, pulled three from over the crossbar and kicked two frees.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 30, 2017 13:03:52 GMT
Left with 3 divisional sides and 1 club side for the Semi finals - when is the SF draw taking place and when are the SF's themselves scheduled for?
From the match reports - EK - 8 clubs, SK - 7 clubs, KD - 4 clubs, MK - not given. EK - 5 of the 8 clubs play their senior football in Div 1 & 2. SK - 2 of the 7 clubs play their senior football in Div 1 & 2. KD - 2 of the 4 clubs play their senior football in Div 1 & 2.
Divisional sides are positive in so many ways but the number of "strong" clubs in a divisional side should be capped. Either that or ban club sides and play a divisional championship and a separate club competition.
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Post by yellowbelly on Jun 30, 2017 13:26:53 GMT
Only SIX Clubs entered the competition Crokes, Rahillys, Stacks, Dingle, Spa and Gaeltacht
Bit farcical that there are two Intermediate teams able to compete yet FOUR Senior Club team cannot field an U21 team on their own, three of them Legion, Rathmore and Kilcummin in with East Kerry.
Fair play to the two Intermediate clubs, they're getting far more game time and experience for their players out of Minor.
Mid Kerry have all six clubs to pick from and Semi Finals fixed for 13th July
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 1, 2017 11:04:19 GMT
There's always questions about the drop out rate after minor level- one of the key reasons is because under 21 competitions are farcical
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 1, 2017 12:35:50 GMT
There's always questions about the drop out rate after minor level- one of the key reasons is because under 21 competitions are farcical Totally agree and this has been the case for over 30 years. Total lack of imagination and interest in doing something about it both at club and county level. Just look at the disparity between the winners of minor championship and U21 championship three years later. Then clubs lament the lack of players coming through.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 1, 2017 13:10:07 GMT
Would this work....
Have three u21 competitions for clubs....
Let the division one play off each other in one competition Put the division two and three teams in another Put the lower divisions in a third.
All games on knockout basis with no back door.
There would be no divisional teams at u21 level.
This system would give gametime to all players and reasonably fair opposition to all teams.
The captaincy of the county u21 team to be appointed by the manager.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 6, 2017 16:22:49 GMT
Semi Finals fixed for July 13th @ 7.30pm
Crokes play Kenmare District in Rathmore East Kerry play Mid Kerry in Austin Stacks Park, Tralee
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