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Post by keane on Jun 12, 2017 12:44:49 GMT
The following are a list of the specific cynical fouls: 1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play. 4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Jun 12, 2017 12:53:56 GMT
He fractured a man's eye socket in an unprovoked assault in a pub a few years ago. So not only is he a dirty player, he is also a violent man off the pitch. Perhaps. Would you consider Galvin a violent man off the pitch considering he threw a duster at a 15 year old splitting him open? Nice whataboutery & deflection there - the Shinners would be proud of that. However to answer your question I would yes. Now back to Diarmuid: Do you still consider Diarmuid "is not a dirty player"? Edit: I replied to the wrong Dub. Point still stands
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 12, 2017 13:16:10 GMT
Every (great) team has had it gurriers and anybody thinking otherwise is deluding themselves - however its how we deal with them that matters and county boards should put the county brand on a pedestal and protect the county brand above all else. There was a time when the All Stars and Player of the Year award only went to exceptional players whose disciplenery records was clean in the given year. A red card during the year automatically disqualified a player from selection - this requirement should never have been dropped. We should honour skill and sportsmanship alike.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 13:21:21 GMT
Everyone knows that thuggery happens in gaelic football.
And if Bernard Brogan or Alan or Mannion and many more of the dublin panel put his hands on the ref in absolute frustration at not getting protection i would feel very sorry for him and i would like to see him get off. I argued that Connolly deserved to get off the 2015 semi final suspension v mayo on here at the time....he was hauled down and held down by the throat if i remember correctly.
However, his behaviour in the 2016 final replay was to me as bad as philip jordan getting marsden sent off in the 2003 final or the attempt by canavan to get mick mccarthy sent off in the same year. I suspect that his connollys peers thought likewise.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 12, 2017 14:31:31 GMT
Another huge error of judgement from McQuillan yesterday with the black carding of the Galway midfielder in what could have had a major impact on the game. This guy continues to be a liability in games.
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Post by dubaroo on Jun 12, 2017 19:06:18 GMT
Perhaps. Would you consider Galvin a violent man off the pitch considering he threw a duster at a 15 year old splitting him open? Nice whataboutery & deflection there - the Shinners would be proud of that. However to answer your question I would yes. Now back to Diarmuid: Do you still consider Diarmuid "is not a dirty player"? Edit: I replied to the wrong Dub. Point still stands I'm honestly not trying to deflect. I'm attempting to show that just because a man effed up once in his personal life does not mean thats who he is. I don't think Galvin is a violent man and I KNOW Connolly isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 19:33:13 GMT
I KNOW Connolly is a violent guy
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Post by ciarrailar on Jun 12, 2017 19:35:45 GMT
Well, the cameras would suggest otherwise.mthis isn't Connolly's first indiscretion. He is a fantastic footballer, one of the best. However, he is starting to become a liability for the Dubs. Black cards can turn to red and this is when you start costing your team games. His black against Kerry in the league final could easily have been red. He has to learn and getting off on things like this does little to educate.
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Post by playitfair on Jun 12, 2017 19:39:08 GMT
I KNOW Connolly is a violent guy I don't know Connolly from Adam. Let's look at the gesture where he checked on peter Crowley after the frontal charge charge last year. That was not the act of a violent man in my opinion. Let's play the ball not the man. I am not saying that he is being wronged with his suspension but people making statements like that jars with me. Give the guy a break.
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Post by keane on Jun 12, 2017 20:08:28 GMT
This was fairly filthy tbf
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Post by thebluepanther on Jun 12, 2017 21:34:47 GMT
This was fairly filthy tbf Whatever the arguement about the rights or wrongs of his 12 week ban, just putting a players name into a google search to find clips of tackles is a bit much. A lot of players from your own county wouldn't look too good if some late tackles were shown. Personally I wouldn't be bothered wasting energy searching for these things. For what it's worth i think Connolly has serious anger issues , he allows guys with lesser ability wind him up and then allows himself get carded or sent to the line. But I don't think this is a violent man who , when he goes out onto the pitch has an agenda , more a guy who can't reign in his emotions and this i feel will follow him around , It's the reason he doesn't just smile at a player who provokes him and beat him with football, his brain won't allow it and unfortunetly he reacts in a negative way. It's terrible to see at times because Dublin need him for big games , like any county wants their best players on the pitch, not sitting in the stand. Like you guys watching some of the stuff Galvin had to put up with, it's hard watching the digs from behind Connolly gets to the ribs as he is being pushed He generally doesn't go looking for trouble and 90% of his alternations are reactionary. Doesn't mean he hasn't done stupid and unnecessary things when not provoked. Incident against Carlow was unnecessary and he didn't need to get that annoyed. I spend more times at games roaring at Connolly to get the f...k away from him, when I see he is going to retaliate. But it's now harm now and again if commentators highlighted the digs that Connolly has to ship also. I've mixed emotions on the whole appeal thing. d.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 21:48:40 GMT
I rang Sean Spicer for advice and he suggested I post up these. One argues that Connolly should get to play in the 2015 replay v Mayo if Cillian OConnor isnt suspended for a clear strike against Ross OCarroll The second is a reaction to Darraghs piece about pulling Connollys tail to see if he would hiss And I have never adverted to Connollys off the field problems. I dont agree with making references to that no more than I did when Brolly was making references to Galvin being a school teacher Good night folks When I wake up I expect to be reading about DC being cleared to play against Mayo. The meeting is going on now for about 3 hours and the longer it goes on the better his chances of getting off. If COC isn't suspended then DC shouldn't be either The one man that should be suspended is Johnny Cooper but the rules dont allow that as he got a yellow on the day I thought Counihans tactic of using Noel OLeary to try to provoke Paul Galvin into losing his head and getting sent off was despicable. I wouldnt be condoning a similar tactic against Diarmaid Connolly
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Post by southward on Jun 12, 2017 21:56:46 GMT
I've some sympathy for Connolly here and missing the championship is too much for what he did. However, if he does get off again this time, it's likely that Dublin will get f*ck all from referees for the next two years. Jim Gavin is unwise to allow this.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 22:04:08 GMT
Mayo looked poor enough without Aiden OShea in my opinion. He lifted them hugely when he came on.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 13, 2017 9:18:56 GMT
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Post by kerryfanatic619 on Jun 13, 2017 10:24:24 GMT
Damien Comer was very impressive for Galway and was unlucky not to have scored more!
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Post by glengael on Jun 13, 2017 11:19:04 GMT
The GAA, at its higher echelons, has to decide if it supports in any practical, respecful or meaningful way, the men whom it sends out to officiate at its games. It is as simple as that.
In the past they have shown their disdain for supporters, by moving an All Ireland semi-final to facilitate a purely commercial Non-GAA event, their disdain for their neighbours in Dublin 3 by seeking to renege on past agreements re concerts. Again for the 'Greed is good' mentality.
This is their chance to show if they have similar disdain for their own officials and the rules enacted to supposedly to protect them.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 13, 2017 18:03:59 GMT
Isnt it the case though that its the letter of the law that matters just like in a court situation.
If I remember correctly going back to 2011 semi final game between Dublin and Donegal, Connolly got a red card on the word of the linesman. He got to play in the final because the ref flashed the red card without noting Connollys name in the black book. This was a breach of the procedures.
The grounds of appeal (I assume) now are that the linesman could have stuck up his flag seconds after the incident and called the refs attention but he didnt. Instead it was as a result of a discussion after the game between them that the incident made its way into the refs report and enabled the CCCC to act. I have no idea if the procedures allows this.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 13, 2017 22:23:51 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 13, 2017 23:05:00 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2017 6:40:56 GMT
"Dermo" appeal rejected. Has right to appeal.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 14, 2017 8:38:30 GMT
"Dermo" appeal rejected. Has right to appeal. I'd imagine that this classless rubbish will roll on for a while yet
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 14, 2017 8:48:42 GMT
I read in some of today's tabloids that Diarmuid will be back for the semi final if Dublin make it to that stage. My understanding is that the 12 weeks commences from the time the decision of his appeal is received from the Hearings committee which if he now accepts his ban will be 12 weeks from today. This would mean he is suspended until September 6th? It seems from some quarters today that last night's meeting was a HEARING, NOT AN APPEAL - as the hearing upheld the decision to impose the 12 week ban, the next step would be an APPEAL - the 12 week ban still applies from the date of the game!! Clear as mud!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2017 8:59:51 GMT
I'd imagine that this classless rubbish will roll on for a while yet I'd imagine the longer that this process continues the closer to an All Ireland final it will be before Connelly will be available to train or play with Dublin. I hope they keep it up. They are only shooting themselves in the foot.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 14, 2017 9:27:17 GMT
What exactly does a 12 week suspension entail?
Cannot play in any games (competitive, trial, practice) No Training with his squad/team (full squad sessions only?) One on one trainig from his support team Physio, Dietary etc
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Post by glengael on Jun 14, 2017 11:05:36 GMT
What exactly does a 12 week suspension entail? Cannot play in any games (competitive, trial, practice) No Training with his squad/team (full squad sessions only?) One on one trainig from his support team Physio, Dietary etc Has the concept of 'suspension' changed since 2008 one wonders?? This disciplinary system was set up as I understand it to avoid trips to the Four Courts so it will be exhausted and tested to the maximum in this case I'd imagine.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 14, 2017 11:49:39 GMT
It appeared to me that cillian o connor cynically dived and got the galway player a black card on sunday. There should be a way of sanctioning him and rescinding the black card
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 14, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
It appeared to me that cillian o connor cynically dived and got the galway player a black card on sunday. There should be a way of sanctioning him and rescinding the black card Yeah I'd be shocked if Galway don't appeal the black card - It was very cynical stuff from O'Connor - just ran straight into Flynn and then hit the deck like a sack of spuds.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 14, 2017 14:55:49 GMT
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Post by keane on Jun 14, 2017 15:36:57 GMT
Some links of general interest I meant to post the bit about Cluxton and the speed of his kickouts before. gaelicstats.com/That's good analysis, they're super-slick to be fair. It must be said though, looking at the picture below Cluxton has a second ball half way out the square before the first ball is even gone dead. I doubt this is completely in keeping with the rules.
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