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Post by veteran on Jun 10, 2017 21:05:30 GMT
Liam Kerins is supposed to be a crafty manager but allowing Cork to repeatedly take short kicks out in the second half will forever baffle me. Ken O'Halloran's kicks out are short at the best of times. If he was forced to kick long against that strong breeze the ball would have travelled forty metres at best which would put an uncertain Cork defence under pressure. Instead they were allowed to run and create the extra man against that breeze which really was the winning of the match. Poor tactics Liam. Of course we will never know what would have happened had Michael,Quinlivam been on the pitch for,the entire match. Indeed , Tipp were crippled by their injuries . Their panel is too small to absorb so many defections. I do hope they can regroup for the qualifiers.
Cork were a transformed team in the second half. All their subs brought an energy and gumption which had been missing . Paul Kerrigan and Mark Collins were giants. I have always been a huge admirer of Mark. He has a razor sharp brain allied to good feet. I would always start him a on a Cork team, indeed on a lot of teams besides. The winning Crok goal resulted from a great movement and it was a manifestation of a great spirit. The nature and timing of,the goal may well transform their season, assuming management give their,youthful quality players their,head.
Cork players were under intolerable pressure today. Not only because of. a strimg of poor performances but also on the absolute need to be there on Munster final day for the great reopening. All the pressure is gone now. Few people will expect them to win the final against Kerry, assuming Kerry make it. No hopers then like the first game in Killarney in 2015 after the 20i14 debacle in Cork! This final is set up for Cork, especially if management gives youth and skill a chance and dispense with straitjackets. I will be very , very surprised of Cork lie down at the sight of the green and gold. It rarely happens when it is expected to. In any case, there is a game in Ennis to be negotiated first. Our last visit there was uncomfortable.
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Post by southward on Jun 10, 2017 21:48:47 GMT
Skybluezone....just to clarify the galvin suspension....he initially got six months. It was cut to three months on appeal. The three months was the maximum sanction but the cccc lost the run of themselves and acted "ultra vires". Twas the six months suspension that so annoyed kerry....and the cccc effectively lost credibility As far as I remember, Galvin originally got six months on the basis that he had already been red-carded against Cork in the League. Despite, of course, the clear evidence that he was completely innocent on the first occasion (the witch-hunt being in full flow at the time). Have to agree with Rashers about the provokers going unpunished all the time. Lord knows, we've suffered enough of it in the past. Noel O'Leary made a whole career out of it; his sole raison d'etre seemingly being to get opponents sent off.
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Post by falveyb2k on Jun 10, 2017 22:03:52 GMT
Skybluezone....just to clarify the galvin suspension....he initially got six months. It was cut to three months on appeal. The three months was the maximum sanction but the cccc lost the run of themselves and acted "ultra vires". Twas the six months suspension that so annoyed kerry....and the cccc effectively lost credibility As far as I remember, Galvin originally got six months on the basis that he had already been red-carded against Cork in the League. Despite, of course, the clear evidence that he was completely innocent on the first occasion (the witch-hunt being in full flow at the time). Have to agree with Rashers about the provokers going unpunished all the time. Lord knows, we've suffered enough of it in the past. Noel O'Leary made a whole career out of it; his sole raison d'etre seemingly being to get opponents sent off. That was 2 years after the 08 incident where the ban was doubled. The cccc gave galvin 6 months because they felt like it, nowhere from the rule book they got it, it should have been 3 months first day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:13:23 GMT
Galvin got 6 months I think initially because they effectively punished him twice for the same offense.
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Post by dubaroo on Jun 11, 2017 7:33:25 GMT
How incredibly one sided you seem. Things arent always how they seem🙂 So my ex husband was always telling me. Turns out in his case it was exactly how it seemed 😩
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Post by southward on Jun 11, 2017 8:59:29 GMT
Things arent always how they seem🙂 So my ex husband was always telling me. Turns out in his case it was exactly how it seemed 😩 So a lifetime ban in that case then? Did Brolly get involved?
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Post by dubaroo on Jun 11, 2017 9:58:48 GMT
So my ex husband was always telling me. Turns out in his case it was exactly how it seemed 😩 So a lifetime ban in that case then? Did Brolly get involved? Indeed haha! Have to say have a soft spot for Brolly.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 11, 2017 11:53:35 GMT
Sad day for football really, cynical mentalities have won. And before I get the backlash, I'll remind people that I consistently stood up for Galvin back in the day. Discipline is one thing but the horrible culture of blackguardism and off the ball fouling in football have brought us to where a guy is lauded and wins POTY having spent half his time dragging and pulling and fouling. And a journalist in a national paper who advocated that a player get targeted has not been penalised for it You have zero credibility on this topic after failing to call out MDMAs dangerous neck high challenge on CIllian o Connor, Phillys various crimes off the ball including gouging Donaghy and Connollys cynical action in calling for a card for keegan after that tumble in last years replay. You could learn a thing or two from the bluepanther on here who everyone respects for being even handed. Ah remember the days when you tried to avoid the point by accusing me of playing the man, not the ball. If you want to talk about credibility then bring it on. All teams have players who make dirty tackles or hurt other players with clumsy or reck less challenges, a very separate issue. I never went on about Kerry players doing it, and I supported Galvin Vs CCCC etc. So stop trying to deflect and avoid and address the point. Connolly is not a dirty player, far from it. He did one stupid thing and people here cheer that he's out for 12 weeks through a generally bitter and cynical attitude. Answer that if you have credibility Mick
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 12:28:36 GMT
Sad day for football really, cynical mentalities have won.
That was the opening line of your post rashers. We are talking about a player who cynically tried to get him man sent off in an All Ireland final and succeeded.
An you evidently have no problem with that.
And I wont be getting drawn into one of those interminable discussions. I repeat..you have no credibility on this topic. You seem amazed that keegan got POTY. The only credible reason is that connollys peers wanted to give him the two fingers. I will leave it at that.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 11, 2017 16:47:41 GMT
Mayo beaten, potentially easy path to an All-Ireland final for Kerry.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
Great exciting finish as Galway beat Mayo by a point. Cavan lose to Monaghan by a goal after hitting the post for the equalising goal.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 16:51:08 GMT
Mayo beaten, potentially easy path to an All-Ireland final for Kerry. Presumably the munster and connaght teams are kept in one group in the qualifiers....this means mayo v kerry in quarter finals is likely.... I think
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
We could also get a Tyrone or Donegal in the q/f so far from easy
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 11, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
Mayo beaten, potentially easy path to an All-Ireland final for Kerry. Potentially, Kerry could be put on their arse too by Cork, especially a fired up Cork at the opening of Pairc Ui Chaoimh. The game is set up for Cork who foolishly will be written off now by some. On the law of averages Cork are due a win over Kerry, so why not this season? For me, this game has rebel ambush written all over it and we should thread very carefully. Galway will take huge confidence out of today and given what happened them against Tipp in Croke park they'll be a driven team to make amends should they arrive in Croke Park this year. Mayo are a known quantity at this stage but Galway could really grow and will be a dangerous side in Croke Park.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 17:21:44 GMT
I have to say that Galway annoy me ...the big ambush followed by the arse falling out of them....their hurlers numerous times v kk, their u21 footballers this year v dublin and the seniors losing to Tipp last year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 11, 2017 17:24:30 GMT
Mayo beaten, potentially easy path to an All-Ireland final for Kerry. Potentially, Kerry could be put on their arse too by Cork, especially a fired up Cork at the opening of Pairc Ui Chaoimh. The game is set up for Cork who foolishly will be written off now by some. On the law of averages Cork are due a win over Kerry, so why not this season? For me, this game has rebel ambush written all over it and we should thread very carefully. Galway will take huge confidence out of today and given what happened them against Tipp in Croke park they'll be a driven team to make amends should they arrive in Croke Park this year. Mayo are a known quantity at this stage but Galway could really grow and will be a dangerous side in Croke Park. Normally I'd agree but Cork are poison at the minute. Tipp would have won had Quinlivan stayed on. Kerry should be beating them comfortably. I'd fear Clare more than Cork at the minute.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 11, 2017 17:39:31 GMT
We could also get a Tyrone or Donegal in the q/f so far from easy If either reach an ulster final i dont think kerry or cork can meet them. But i am not certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:46:18 GMT
Yeah but one of them won't
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 11, 2017 21:31:39 GMT
I understand the talk re a Cork ambush and don't underestimate them but really how can they possibly beat Kerry?
They definitely have some nice footballers and the young guys like Kevin Crowley, Sean Powter, Stephen Cronin and Michael Hurley all need to start but I really can't see the Cork backs holding the Kerry forwards, in fact I think it could end very ugly for the rebels'big reopening.
Guys like James Loughrey, Jamie O'Sullivan and Michael Shields appear to be massive weak links that Fitzmaurice will be looking to exploit no doubt. The keeper doesn't inspire confidence either. Ian Maguire doesn't look a natural footballer to me but I know people seem to rate him.
What was most worrying for me was the first man Cork brought on last night was Donncha O'Connor in the first half? Correct me if I am wrong on that. The first man they turned to was O'Connor, a great servant but surely time to move on. What does that say about their management team?
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Post by glengael on Jun 11, 2017 23:12:51 GMT
Well done to Galway.i think they are fashioning an interesting team.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2017 7:27:01 GMT
Sad day for football really, cynical mentalities have won.That was the opening line of your post rashers. We are talking about a player who cynically tried to get him man sent off in an All Ireland final and succeeded. An you evidently have no problem with that. And I wont be getting drawn into one of those interminable discussions. I repeat..you have no credibility on this topic. You seem amazed that keegan got POTY. The only credible reason is that connollys peers wanted to give him the two fingers. I will leave it at that. Ah yes, then follows the usual cop-out, start a row with personal comments and then "I'll leave it at that." The main problem with your opinions about Dublin players Mick, apart from the obvious bias, is that you then adopt the unassailable position that "because I proclaim my opinion to be the obviously correct interpretation of the facts of the situation it is therefore incontrovertible. And furthermore any gainsaying of these incontrovertible facts only serve to prove that the person saying it has no credibility". These are of course the sadly familiar traits of the inveterate windup person, who twists and uses information and opinions for his own personal entertainment. One who clearly never actually wants a reasonable discussion but who creates a clever facade of one and adopts unassailable positions in order to maintain his winding activities. The irony and hypocrisy of someone so clearly and persistently biased about certain subjects then proclaiming that another person has no credibility on that subject is of course no object to him. Like Donald Trump he will continue to boldly move goalposts, and set up and then dispose of the boundaries and criteria as suits his desire. He will also manipulate and adopt childish schoolyard tactics such as drawing in reference to other posters as examples of what his intended target of winding up should be doing, using the fact that these others have a county connection to the person that then proves his own apparent lack of bias. Just ridiculous stuff. On a straightforward level of debate, which you Mick refuse to engage in, except on the most stacked of terms, the topic is spread, turned, divided, shifted and deflected. The topic, and opinion, to remind Mick, is that cynicism has led to Diarmuid Connollys 12 week suspension for stupidly touching a linesman being lauded by people who otherwise proclaim that they want to see the best players play the game. As for Lee Keegan, he is a brilliant player who won POTY for some brilliant football, as we all know, but who also got away with persistent blackguarding and cynical play. Bringing in the misdemeanors of other players is irrelevant, they did not at the very least win POTY awards. Connollys action in the final replay, was clearly a very reasonable response of frustration to yet another blatant foul by a player who was rarely getting penalised for those actions. A player who some were lauding for his very cynical fouling, not just agreeing with it but promoting it, and holding him up as some great example of football. And then lauding his elevation to POTY, conveniently ignoring g the behaviors that suited their beliefs. This marks several clear differences to the examples Mick is trying to use as some form of comparison. The same Mick who spent years going on and on about how badly blackguarded Colm Cooper was, and how other most entertaining footballers were too, and how it was ruining the game. But not in this instance. In this instance double standards come fully into play to suit Micks familiar agenda. Maybe Mick just doesn't care to answer how one of his heros, and one of the greatest players of all time used the national press several years ago to blatantly and unashamedly start a campaign promoting the cynical targeting of Diarmuid Connolly, under the guise of soft side-of-the-mouth humour. Maybe Mick doesn't care to answer why a player's personal life is brought into footballing discussions here. Or maybe it just suits his agenda not to. Or maybe no other player in any team has ever been guilty of nasty behavior in their personal life. If that's the case then yes, I do indeed have no credibility on this discussion. The actual truth is I'm just sick to my stomach of cynical attitudes and double standards in the discourse and coverage of Gaelic games. I just want to see the best players play the game, to see them on the pitch, and it's a sad day when one of those players is gone for most or in effect all of the summer. There is room for hard physicality, and there will always be some level of dirty play and clever fouling. But to go from widespread outcry against blatant cynical play to a place where people promote and cheer for it is a very depressing sign of where the game has gone
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 9:24:54 GMT
Well done to Galway.i think they are fashioning an interesting team. For a young side they were out on their feet at the end...surprused at that. Evan Regan showed terrible immaturity with those two potshots at the end
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 12, 2017 9:27:01 GMT
Reports this morning that Connolly is appealing.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Jun 12, 2017 10:26:37 GMT
You have zero credibility on this topic after failing to call out MDMAs dangerous neck high challenge on CIllian o Connor, Phillys various crimes off the ball including gouging Donaghy and Connollys cynical action in calling for a card for keegan after that tumble in last years replay. You could learn a thing or two from the bluepanther on here who everyone respects for being even handed. Ah remember the days when you tried to avoid the point by accusing me of playing the man, not the ball. If you want to talk about credibility then bring it on. All teams have players who make dirty tackles or hurt other players with clumsy or reck less challenges, a very separate issue. I never went on about Kerry players doing it, and I supported Galvin Vs CCCC etc. So stop trying to deflect and avoid and address the point. Connolly is not a dirty player, far from it. He did one stupid thing and people here cheer that he's out for 12 weeks through a generally bitter and cynical attitude. Answer that if you have credibility Mick He fractured a man's eye socket in an unprovoked assault in a pub a few years ago. So not only is he a dirty player, he is also a violent man off the pitch.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 12, 2017 11:11:25 GMT
Reports this morning that Connolly is appealing. He is within his rights to appeal - however it is a pity that he is not man enough to take his punishment. He has managed to appeal his way out of trouble in the past but it will eventually catch up with him and the sooner the better. Hopefully he is never picked as player of the year with this type of attitude to sportsmanship and rules.
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Post by sidelined on Jun 12, 2017 11:23:34 GMT
the incident was a thing in nothing, the shove was a more out of my way type of thing but the verbals warrented a black card and if given the matter would have been dealt with. he will get off but would Dublin have been better served if he didn't, as Kerry found out these things can cause teams to lose focus.
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Post by sidelined on Jun 12, 2017 11:31:42 GMT
back to football, mayos defeat upset the predicted allireland semis of Dublin v tyrone, kerry v mayo. they played great football against the wind with 14 men, but were clueless with it . galway kicked some massive points. cillian o connor would need to watch himself or he will finally get in trouble, a right messer
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2017 11:36:23 GMT
the incident was a thing in nothing, the shove was a more out of my way type of thing but the verbals warrented a black card and if given the matter would have been dealt with. he will get off but would Dublin have been better served if he didn't, as Kerry found out these things can cause teams to lose focus. . What verbals? Remonstrating is not a black card offense. A Carlow player clearly abused the ref verbally but nothing was said about that. Pat Spillane obviously went deaf momentarily, or he was too busy getting highly animated doing his bit to get Connolly suspended
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2017 11:43:20 GMT
Ah remember the days when you tried to avoid the point by accusing me of playing the man, not the ball. If you want to talk about credibility then bring it on. All teams have players who make dirty tackles or hurt other players with clumsy or reck less challenges, a very separate issue. I never went on about Kerry players doing it, and I supported Galvin Vs CCCC etc. So stop trying to deflect and avoid and address the point. Connolly is not a dirty player, far from it. He did one stupid thing and people here cheer that he's out for 12 weeks through a generally bitter and cynical attitude. Answer that if you have credibility Mick He fractured a man's eye socket in an unprovoked assault in a pub a few years ago. So not only is he a dirty player, he is also a violent man off the pitch. What's off the pitch got to do with this discussion? If a person was repeatedly an out and out criminal it would be a different story but people using this personal stuff to back up points about football game discussions are scraping the barrel here. And tell me, you know that all other players have no nasty skeletons in the cupboard? Derailing and deflecting the discussion. Connolly is an idiot at times on the pitch, like many players have been. It shouldn't need to be repeated. It's a separate issue to the cynicism that now passes for what the game is really about. Years of people turning a blind eye to blatant cynical targeting then turning around and blaming the targeted player as the perpetrator because he sometimes reacts. Depressing days for Gaelic games
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 12, 2017 11:46:09 GMT
Reports this morning that Connolly is appealing. He is within his rights to appeal - however it is a pity that he is not man enough to take his punishment. He has managed to appeal his way out of trouble in the past but it will eventually catch up with him and the sooner the better. Hopefully he is never picked as player of the year with this type of attitude to sportsmanship and rules. I think it's a bad mistake to appeal but certain elements have clearly hoped for it. The nature of the suspension and reaction to it have provoked the response. Connolly should take it and get on with it
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