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Post by kerrygold on May 1, 2017 20:32:39 GMT
Kingdom rock Westmeath to keep hopes of progress alive Kerry 0-20 Westmeath 2-12
May 1 2017 2:30 AM
Kerry are back in the hunt for a Leinster quarter-final place after shocking 14-man Westmeath in Mullingar. With the wind behind them, the Kingdom raced into a three-point lead inside two minutes and were 0-8 to 0-3 ahead by the time Westmeath forward Niall O'Brien was sent off on the quarter-hour for a second yellow card. They were full value for their 0-12 to 0-5 interval lead.
A '65' from Allan Devine and a monster free by Killian Doyle reduced the deficit but Kerry kicked on, with free-taker Shane Nolan bagging four points and Mikey Boyle landing his third point from play in a purple patch. Westmeath got a lifeline in the 54th minute when Niall Mitchell scored a fine individual goal, and the hosts battled back. With three minutes remaining and Kerry 0-20 to 1-11 ahead, Doyle rifled home a penalty for Westmeath.
However, a period of all-out attack by the hosts in the closing stages yielded just a consolation point from Robbie Greville. Kerry also finished with 14 men, Jack Goulding picking up his second yellow in the 69th minute. All four teams in the round robin section remain in contention for the two quarter-final places on offer. However, Kerry and Westmeath are still in danger of relegation to the Christy Ring Cup.
Scorers - Kerry: S Nolan 0-7 (4fs, 1 '65'), M Boyle 0-4, P Boyle 0-3, J Conway 0-2, J Goulding, P O'Connor, M O'Leary, J O'Connor 0-1 each. Westmeath: A Devine 0-8 (6fs, 1 '65'), K Doyle 1-2 (1-0 pen, 0-1f, 0-1 '65'), N Mitchell 1-0, R Greville 0-2. Kerry - M Stackpoole 6; J Buckley 6, R Horgan 6, S Weir 6; J O'Connor 7, D Dineen 8, T Murnane 6; J Goulding 7, P O'Connor 6; J Conway 6, M O'Leary 6, B O'Leary 6; P Boyle 7, M Boyle 8, S Nolan 7. Subs: J Griffin n/r for M O'Leary (64), M O'Connor n/r for P Boyle (68), K Carmody n/r for B O'Leary (70+4).
Westmeath - P Maloney 6; C Shaw 6, T Doyle 7, T Gallagher 6; G Greville 6, P Greville 6, A Clarke 8; C Boyle 6, J Boyle 6; A Devine 6, K Doyle 6, R Greville 7; N O'Brien 4, N Mitchell 8, D Egerton 5. Subs: J Galvin 6 for J Boyle (h-t), D McNicholas 5 for Egerton (h-t), A Cox 6 for G Greville (44). Ref - P O'Dwyer (Carlow)
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Post by Mickmack on May 18, 2017 10:46:41 GMT
As far as i know if cork lose, it will be the first time ever that the county hasnt won a munster hurling championship game for three years in a row.
Strange times in cork
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2017 16:49:20 GMT
Tremendous match which Cork deservedly won. The score taking at this level is unreal. Cork started five new lads, all young and all delivered.
Congrats to Cork.
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Post by aranteorainn on May 21, 2017 18:16:50 GMT
Savage game today, Wish all our games in both hurling and football were like that. Unfortunately with the huge difference in standards between counties its not going to happen. Time for change. Lots of counties are never going to win Sam or Liam. Pity that.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 21, 2017 19:25:20 GMT
Savage game today, Wish all our games in both hurling and football were like that. Unfortunately with the huge difference in standards between counties its not going to happen. Time for change. Lots of counties are never going to win Sam or Liam. Pity that. Time for change? Why? In any sport there are always going to be those on top and those on the bottom: this is a tautology.
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Post by veteran on May 21, 2017 19:47:44 GMT
Reflecting on the Cork/Tipp match today it is a mystery that the issue was in doubt to the end. Cork were much too fast , much too skillful for Tipp. There were times when Tipp looked to be as stuck to the ground as they were against Galway. I was astonished at how crude the pucks out and the pucking into their forwards were by Tipp. They repeatedly ballooned it into the sky where they were more or less cleaned out by Cork. Successive defeats in critical games will surely will surely undermine morale in Tipp.
It is difficult to assess Cork . They were sublime today but is unlikely that that Waterford will take them on in a shootout. No doubt Waterford's defensive strategy will pose different questions. Nevertheless, Cork are back and and that is good for the game.
A lot of Cork supporters are blaming the bould Frank for the current malaise in Cork GAA. if Cork continue to play this sparkling hurling under Frank I wonder will they change horses and give him credit now!! Strange things happen.
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Post by glengael on May 22, 2017 9:55:31 GMT
Hopefully this will breath life into the Munster Championship with Clare, Limerick and Waterford thinking they have a chance at silverware now. Tipp lost first round games before and came back stronger later in the summer. Coupled with the League defeat though, it does ask some hard questions of them. The Tipp goal was majestic.
As for Cork, one swallow never made a summer but fair play to them for giving youth a chance and playing without fear. With nothing to build on from underage it is quite some progress.
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Post by sidelined on May 22, 2017 10:19:11 GMT
tipp had goal chances in the first half and did not take them. the quality of ball as veteran stated going into the tipp forwards was terrible, as if the backs didn't like the forwards , high dropping ball a defenders dream. tipp still scored 1 22 from play so maybe a period out of the limelight will do them good. cork now have the opposite problem, having beaten the allireland champions in thurles shooting the lights out, their new players have to remain focused.
great game and great start to the championship.
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Post by aranteorainn on May 22, 2017 11:21:56 GMT
Savage game today, Wish all our games in both hurling and football were like that. Unfortunately with the huge difference in standards between counties its not going to happen. Time for change. Lots of counties are never going to win Sam or Liam. Pity that. Time for change? Why? In any sport there are always going to be those on top and those on the bottom: this is a tautology. Leitrim are never going to beat Kerry and everyone in Leitrim knows that. Thats not what you'd call a fair system. Leagues have been very good over the last few years in both codes with teams of more or less equal standard competing with one another. Way to go.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 22, 2017 13:31:29 GMT
Time for change? Why? In any sport there are always going to be those on top and those on the bottom: this is a tautology. Leitrim are never going to beat Kerry and everyone in Leitrim knows that. Thats not what you'd call a fair system. Leagues have been very good over the last few years in both codes with teams of more or less equal standard competing with one another. Way to go. Sorry I thought you were talking about something totally different. Fair enough.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 23, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
Fair play to Cork, the hurling Championship is always better when they're challenging. They'll meet a different animal in Waterford the next day though.
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Post by glengael on May 29, 2017 9:10:43 GMT
Galway seem to have kept up the momentum since the League. What is the inside story with Dublin's absentees one wonders? Do they just want a change of manager or what ?
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Post by Mickmack on May 29, 2017 19:07:37 GMT
Galway beat Dublin without getting out of third gear. Dublin are no where and the management must be considering their position at this stage.
The door is ajar for Galway in 2017.
Nelsons Pillar was still standing the last time Tipp won two in a row. KK look to be no better than 2016. Cork are on the rise but going all the way in 2017 looks a big ask.
Galway will fancy their chances against all others bar the big three.
Surely Galway can string three big performances together and win the All Ireland.
That said they lost a defender Paul Killeen to a cruciate injury yesterday and he wasnt stretchered off either..just carted off by two lads.... didnt look right.
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Post by Mickmack on May 30, 2017 22:45:48 GMT
ALL-Star defender Cathal Barrett has been dropped from the Tipperary panel by Michael Ryan.
It comes just a week after Tipp’s surprise Munster SHC quarter-final defeat to Cork.
According to reports, he has been dropped because of an “internal issue.”
Ryan’s squad met tonight for the first time since their four-point loss to Cork, although it’s been reported that one-to-one meetings took place last week.
Ryan met his players at Semple Stadium tonight for clear-the-air talks with the season in jeopardy.
The players were informed of the decision to drop Barrett well in advance.
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Post by glengael on Jun 5, 2017 12:39:28 GMT
Significant win for Clare yesterday. It will their 1st Munster Final for quite a while.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 7, 2017 23:03:05 GMT
Poor game, Limericks defense poor and the 3 goals conceded were too soft for this level.
A few more of Clares big names need to finD form for the Munster final.
Wexford at home to KK on Saturday is a sell out down in Wexford.
Sky have this game
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 9, 2017 15:34:49 GMT
Poor game, Limericks defense poor and the 3 goals conceded were too soft for this level. A few more of Clares big names need to finD form for the Munster final. Wexford at home to KK on Saturday is a sell out down in Wexford. Sky have this game Too much expectation in Wexford, it's set up nicely for Kilkenny.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 10, 2017 19:51:41 GMT
The absentee landlord will dine well on this one! I presume this game was on SKY? Pity!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 10, 2017 20:41:42 GMT
The KK team of 2009 would have beaten wexford by 12 points. Richie Hogan got no ball and looked injured.
Lester Ryan should have got a red card.
TJ and Fennelly at 14 kept KK alive.
Lee Chin showed massive leadership when required.
The hurling is levelling out. KK in the peleton.
The standard might be falling a bit but the excitement is rising.
Cork have had the best team performance so far
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Post by veteran on Jun 10, 2017 21:23:36 GMT
I didn't see the game as I depend on the terrestrial stations . I can live with that. However, when I heard that Mr. Cody did not select his team until shortly before throwi in I worried for Kilkenny . Usually, Brian picks his team in plenty of time and does indulge in gimmicks which leaving your selection until that late is. As Bob Dylan might say, the times they are a changing and Kilkenny are just an ordinary team team like the rest. It surely is wide open . I suppose Galway are the fancy but implode they could. In any case, I suspect Wexford will pack out Croke Park for the rest of the season.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 10, 2017 23:02:39 GMT
I didn't see the game as I depend on the terrestrial stations . I can live with that. However, when I heard that Mr. Cody did not select his team until shortly before throwi in I worried for Kilkenny . Usually, Brian picks his team in plenty of time and does indulge in gimmicks which leaving your selection until that late is. As Bob Dylan might say, the times they are a changing and Kilkenny are just an ordinary team team like the rest. It surely is wide open . I suppose Galway are the fancy but implode they could. In any case, I suspect Wexford will pack out Croke Park for the rest of the season. someone has posted up the second half here
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 11, 2017 7:04:09 GMT
Anyone got the Sky viewing figures for this game? Limerick v Clare last weekend had less than 8,000 viewers.
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Post by glengael on Jun 11, 2017 23:16:59 GMT
Well done to Wexford. The more questions asked of Kk the better.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 12, 2017 17:53:54 GMT
Any two from Galway, Waterford and Wexford contesting the final would great for the game. John Mullane referred to the Wexford as the "Wexigans" earlier in the year during the NHL. Wexford v Waterford in an All-Ireland hurling final would be nuclear, add the Davy Fitz element, a foot in both camps and the atmosphere would be electric. Dan the man asking Davy "whats the crack" with 10 minutes to go, on the line!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 21:56:54 GMT
Extraordinary piece by Brendan Cummins in todays paper about Cody. If KK draw Tipp in the back door they will have to play it in Croker as it will fill it. The bit i am talking about is below
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2017 22:00:29 GMT
For the first time, Cody is now working with players who are not of the required standard.
That's a problem, coupled with him never being viewed as a tactical genius. What he had in the past were men on the pitch to sort out any issues that arose but he now finds himself having to devise a system of play to suit the players at his disposal.
Kilkenny have always prided them on the simplicity of their approach - hand out the 15 jerseys, tell the lads to win their individual battles, and we'll see you at half-time.
But on Saturday, when Kilkenny were bent out of shape, the result was Padraig Walsh and Ger Aylward being subbed before the break. A worrying pattern for Kilkenny supporters has started to emerge in the last three serious outings - the 2016 All-Ireland final, and their League and Championship clashes with Wexford this year. They didn't seem to have a plan in place.
For example, Cody knew going into Saturday's game that Wexford would play with a sweeper and, by default, he would have one too.
For me, Padraig Walsh was ideal for this role, but he found himself at centre-forward. Say what you like, Davy Fitzgerald is a manager who gets the maximum from the players at his disposal, and they play to a system that suits them.
Cody, on the other hand, is putting square pegs in round holes.
Looking at the respective team-sheets, I wouldn't have noticed a massive difference between the teams in terms of talent but Wexford were seven or eight points a better team because Davy has more tactical nous.
If there's a weakness in Cody, this is it, setting up his team. In fact, it's a blind spot. To a large degree, that's not even his fault because he always had guys on the pitch who'd make the changes themselves.
I've seen it at first-hand, Henry Shefflin on the pitch telling other guys where to go, without any sideline prompt.
But Cody doesn't have a huge amount of leaders on the pitch anymore. TJ Reid would be one but he's often too far from the opposition goal when he's on the ball, and not a real threat to anyone on current form.
Richie Hogan is struggling to find anything. He needs to find some form again, playing at centre-forward, ghosting on to balls and winning puck-outs. That's still in him but to find the spark again is the big challenge for a former Hurler of the Year. Overall, Kilkenny have no apparent plan, their style of play is one-dimensional and contributing to them playing without confidence. This is why they're headed for the back door.
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Post by glengael on Jun 15, 2017 9:41:40 GMT
I wonder if Cork's hurling summer will continue to improve on Sunday...
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 16, 2017 18:24:18 GMT
Jackie Tyrrell:
Waterford are nice, you’d want your sister going out with one of them
For Waterford, this Sunday has the feel of the English Championship play-off soccer game that decides who goes up into the Premier League.
There’s a massive upside and an equally massive downside. If they beat Cork, they are 100 per cent contenders for the All-Ireland. If they lose, I don’t see them fighting their way through the qualifiers and it becomes just another season. Cork are not in the same position, even though the prize for winning and the punishment for defeat are the same for them as for Waterford.
Cork are in a different stage in their life-cycle. They’re not really contenders for an All-Ireland, even if they do beat Waterford. They’re a season or two away from that. And whatever happens from here, the win against Tipperary has kick-started their future. No matter where they end up, they have made progress and they have something to build on now. Waterford are past that stage. They’re together four years now under Derek McGrath. They’ve done the clear-out, the rebuild, the sweeper. They’ve won the league, been to two Munster finals, lost an All-Ireland semi-final after a replay. They’ve gone bit by bit along the road and now the next thing on the agenda is to win a Munster title and carry that on into the All-Ireland series.
What I like about them is that they’ve made no bones about it. Everybody saw how they approached the league. They wanted to stay in Division 1A but they had no interest after that.
When you do that, you’re immediately putting pressure on yourself for the championship. You’re saying the league is no good to you, that you’re past that stage and only an All-Ireland will do from here on out.
That’s alright for Kilkenny and Tipperary to be saying to themselves. If you’re playing for those counties, you have no choice but to think that way. For Waterford, you can say it all you like but it will naturally take you a while to convince yourself of it. Some guys will believe from the start, others will come along in their own time. It’s not a uniform process.
That’s why a game like this is so important. Let’s say they lose to Cork on Sunday. Then on Monday morning, they’re drawn against Kilkenny or Tipp in the qualifiers, with the game to be played in a fortnight. All of a sudden, the mental task in front of Derek McGrath and Dan Shanahan is massive. They’ve spent the whole of 2017 drilling it into lads that championship is what it’s all about – and now, out of nowhere, the whole thing could be done and dusted in two weeks.
Front door Of all years, this is a championship for going through the front door. Beat Cork on Sunday and Waterford don’t have a bogey team like Tipp waiting on them in the Munster final. Win the Munster final and even if they meet Tipp or Kilkenny later on, they’ll be going in as provincial champions. A team on a roll. A team doing what it set out to do, getting more and more convinced with every game that this is their year.
Growing as a team is all about becoming comfortable in situations you’re not used to. On the biggest days, you don’t have time to be knocked off your stride. Waterford are favourites on Sunday, which isn’t something that has happened too often. They have to make sure it has no effect on them.
Kilkenny were favourites in probably 99 per cent of the games I played. Our way of dealing with it was to look inward. I wouldn’t know what was going on in the world the week of a game because all I concentrated on was what we were doing. I wouldn’t look at the news, wouldn’t pick up a paper, nothing.
Everything was internal, laser-focus, tunnel vision. The outside world didn’t exist. It will still be there on Monday. There’s no dirt in them – and to be very honest about it, they could do with some
That’s what favourites have to do. Bring the pressure on themselves to perform. Demand it of each other. And then deliver. That way, the whole thing snowballs. You become comfortable putting the pressure on yourself because you know you can live up to it. So you keep doing it.
The one thing that has puzzled me a little bit about Waterford though is the big hullaballoo about Derek McGrath taking the leave of absence from teaching. I can’t work out why he would speak so publicly about it. Okay, it would probably have come out but you don’t need to comment on something that is basically your private life. His work is nobody’s business.
By telling the whole world he’s taking leave from teaching, he’s naturally heaping more pressure on Waterford’s year. I’m all for heaping pressure on players as long as it’s a means to improve performance. If I was a Waterford player looking at that, I’d be wondering what’s the motivation there. I’d be questioning the relevance of talking about it to the media. I just think it’s a strange one.
My impression of Waterford all along is that they’re a nice team. You’d love your sister to be going out with one of them. Bigger teams can get away with looking down on them, seeing them as a team that tends to take two steps forward and one step back. They have no intimidation factor. There’s no dirt in them – and to be very honest about it, they could do with some. Or at least the threat of some.
They have a real chance this weekend to lay down some markers. They’re going to be faced with a young Cork team that has a totally false impression of what championship hurling is. All those young lads who had a field day for Cork against Tipperary must be having the time of their lives over the last month. Summer time, no stress, everyone falling over themselves to tell them how great they are.
Waterford should be rubbing their hands together at the sight of them. When you’re in your infancy as a team like Cork are, you’re very vulnerable. You don’t know what it takes. And worse, if you’ve got a big win out of nowhere, you think you know what it takes. You haven’t a clue. Waterford do know and they need to be using that knowledge to their advantage. Otherwise, what were the last three years for?
Man’s stuff Whatever Waterford defenders are marking Shane Kingston and Luke Meade on Sunday, they should be letting them know they don’t belong on this stage, right from the handshake. Be relentless. Put the doubts in their minds from very early on. Ye all played great the last day – how likely is it that ye’ll all do the same again? Don’t let them settle into it. First ball, second ball.
Verbalise it, if you think it will work. Tell them they’re only young lads who should be up in the stand. Ask them how they got on in Maths Paper One during the week. Drill it into them that what they got against Tipperary wasn’t how this thing works. This is man’s stuff, come back in two or three years. You think we’re a nice team? Not this year. Waterford need to show they’re different now. That they’ve taken that step forward from the team that just came up short against Kilkenny last year. They need to do that collectively and individually. Someone like Austin Gleeson can’t be coming back with the same game he had last year, good and all as it was.
You’d love someone to sit Gleeson down with a tape of Lee Chin’s performance last Saturday night for Wexford. Just to remind him of what it looks like to truly dominate a game by taking the right options. Gleeson does so much that is right during a game but he has always been prone to these 80-yard shots from the sideline that look great when they go over but suck the life out of a team when they don’t.
If I was a corner-back or half-back playing behind Austin Gleeson, I would love him. He would be my best friend. Every ball he pulls out of the sky is one I don’t have to go for and by extension, my life is made easier because I can keep better tabs on my man. But if I was an inside forward, I’d be raging at him.
Waterford are massive contenders. This championship is waiting on somebody to put their hands up and grab it And as an opposition player, you’re thinking, ‘Shoot away, Aussie boy. You might get one, you won’t get them all. And either way, we’ll have the ball when you’re finished.’ You defend against him accordingly. Shepherd him over to the sideline, send an extra man to push him to the wing because you know he’s not going to flick a pass inside. You want him to keep shooting.
I love watching Austin Gleeson play. He’s one of the few players in the country who could take over a game like Lee Chin did last week. But he’ll only do that if he has developed his game and worked on his option-taking. And if it hasn’t improved, if it’s the same old story again, then maybe Derek McGrath has to take him off early in a game to teach him a lesson.
If he becomes the ultimate team player, Waterford are massive contenders. This championship is waiting on somebody to put their hands up and grab it. Tipp and Kilkenny have been poor. Clare were unconvincing. Cork and Wexford have put in big performances but they’re not at the top table yet. Galway could be serious but they’re an unknown quantity until they meet top-class opposition.
Sunday is Waterford’s chance to make a statement – to themselves as much as to anybody else. If they win, the belief that will flow through them will be massive. They can sit down together on Sunday night and tell each other that all it’s going to take is winning three games back to back and they’ll have an All-Ireland. They are at a crossroads. Which direction will they take?
Georgie Leahy RIP Georgie Leahy passed away recently after a brave fight with illness. He was a great hurling man and enjoyed success as a manager and coach. His influence within our club, James Stephens, within Kilkenny and other counties is immeasurable. Georgie was first and foremost a genuine and humble gentleman who was loved and admired by everyone who came in contact with him. He had the unique gift of making everyone feel important. Georgie was a big man with a big heart and at a recent club function to mark the inter-county retirement of myself and Eoin Larkin, the admiration people had for Georgie was evident.
Georgie Leahy was someone people didn’t just want to know, they wanted to be. I will miss Georgie but I have no doubt his legacy will continue to inspire.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2017 15:01:16 GMT
Will cork, kk and tipp be in the back door draw after todays game v waterford...
I expect so
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2017 17:21:36 GMT
Cork were full value for their win. Some very memorable moments in a game in which waterford never got really going. The waterford keeper kept his team alive. Anthony gleeson very poor by his standards. Cork the best team by far this summer.
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