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Post by veteran on Jul 11, 2017 19:09:48 GMT
Mickmack,
" No surrender " has never been part of my persona. When circumstances , facts , information change I change my mind as appropriate . I have always had a fear of burying my head in the sand.
What has changed my mind in this situation? Two old friends of mine were home on holidays last Christmas. They have spend all their working lifes in England. They still pine after the green and gold. It is for them , and people like them, that I try to report on Kerry/ North Kerry club games on this forum. They reproached me severely for my attitude to Sky games, pointing how selfish and self centred approach it was . They pointed out how I was spoiled choice in the games I can attend and view while they were on a GAA starvation diet in England. In that context , the Sky deal was blood transfusion for them and their hope is that it will be further expanded in the future. Clearly, I could not sustain an intelligible , dispassionate argument against Sky when these facts were demonstrated to me. Hence the change in my approach to this issue.
I am emboldened in my change of heart when I see people like Comical Joe and Michael Duignan in the vanguard against the deal pretending their chief concern is for the man on top of the mountain. I suspect their concern for the man on top of the mountain would be diluted if they were getting their shilling from Sky rather than RTE. So there you have it . I am now on the side of my two long time buddies languishing in England all these years rather than the two fat cats who are bankrolled by RTE. Was I wrong to change my mind?
My chief regret about the Sky deal is that I am missing out on the analysis by Peter Canavan who , with Daire O'Cinneide, is the most perceptive analyst around.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 19:44:19 GMT
Veteran
They say the key to a happy life is to accept change and let go of things you once held dear. Mantras and beliefs are not for me and you are fully entitled to and correct in changing your position on this for the genuine reasons you outline.
I will probably change my mind on this when the players become professional like in Rugby for example.
I am not fully au fait with the "in and outs" of what this Sky deal brings to the diaspora compared to what they could get previously. A poster above seems to suggest that the diaspora could already get these matches. I dont know. I am with you on providing games to Kerry people abroad and that is one of the main reasons why I upload whatever Kerry games i can.
Thanks for the clarification. I am puzzled by the sea change in your views.
Mick
PS... I wouldn't put Michael Duignan in the same sentence as Brolly personally speaking. I regard Duignan highly.
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Post by badgerbadger on Jul 11, 2017 19:55:00 GMT
Thousands of people are very happy to be able to watch GAA on Sky at home and bars in the UK, this includes a huge number of players and club members. First time viewer numbers are growing all the time, hurling being especially popular. Also, bringing the game to a new audience is very important. Correct me if I'm wrong, but viewers in the UK had access already, through premier sports? And they are now also paying more to watch GAA? You are correct Pony. Premier Sports covered Intercounty and club games for £10 per month in the UK. I think there was something similar avaialbe in Oz? The diaspora they claim to be so worried about are paying 3/4 times more now to watch the games!!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 20:35:59 GMT
If badgerbadger is correct then the GAA rationale for selling to SKY, ( looking after Irish people abroad) was disingenuous
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Post by badgerbadger on Jul 11, 2017 20:47:35 GMT
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Post by southward on Jul 11, 2017 20:49:06 GMT
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 11, 2017 21:44:40 GMT
Me too. Also good to think of the Gaelic Grounds with such fond memories as prior to then my abiding association for the Gaelic Grounds was with the 1992 Munster Final.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2017 22:28:40 GMT
Fair play badgerbadger for posting the link. It serves as a good antidote to some of the bull we have been reading here all day and highlights this for the Croker bull* that it is. Lets see if some people remain as smug to the Sky deal when it is driving the wages paid to GAA players down the line. You reap what you sow....................... This one will come back to bite yet. Yours sincerely, "Pain in the hole"
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 12, 2017 7:24:15 GMT
Odd to play a Mayo and Cork game in Kerry's home stadium
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 12, 2017 7:29:29 GMT
RTE could up their game substantially in this regard and show free to air games and maybe have the option of paying €5 to watch a singualar game/double header online or something to that effect.
Also they badly need to improve their analysis- Brolly, Spillane, Dolan, O Hara, that fat goalkeeping clown from Roscommon - they are all abysmal pundits in different ways.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 12, 2017 7:43:45 GMT
Thanks for that Badgerbadger. I had forgotten that report. It is balanced, factual and sums it all up.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 12, 2017 17:37:31 GMT
The pedantic pace at which the Championship is run off is really begining to bug the hell out of me. We have another couple of weeks to wait to play our third game of the championship season and everything at county level is on hold for seniors on the county panel - this stinks to high heaven. The fun is in having your team play games and not the endless waiting for weeks between games when players are wrapped in cotton wool and prevented from playing with their clubs. Time for a revolution...............
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Post by Aodhan on Jul 16, 2017 19:46:03 GMT
It was funny watching Brolly licking up to Gooch (and even Kerry) today. Great observation by Colm O'Rourke regarding this which Brolly had no answer for. He really is in awe of the Gooch proving, as if there were proof needed, that his previous comments were only attention/publicity seeking. The last thing we need now is for him to start liking us, doubt it but you would never know with Brolly.
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Post by Aodhan on Jul 16, 2017 20:01:17 GMT
Incidentally I was very impressed with Gooch, calm, cool and collected with top class analysis and never once interrupted. He brought the level of the program up a good few notches. Brolly never went on one of his rants unlike when Spillane is around.
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Post by delorean on Jul 17, 2017 11:53:25 GMT
Cooper is indeed a breath of fresh air. They have the makings of a really excellent panel if they would just give some of the fringe players more game time, so to speak. Aaron Kernan is very good also.
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Post by glengael on Jul 20, 2017 10:39:10 GMT
Nice to see the New Páirc opened and seemingly in good shape. They haven't solved the access, additional parking and other problems but at least it seems like the destination will be worth the journey.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2017 10:52:57 GMT
The boat ferries across the Lee were great till one sank one year about twenty years ago
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 20, 2017 13:08:44 GMT
Incidentally I was very impressed with Gooch, calm, cool and collected with top class analysis and never once interrupted. He brought the level of the program up a good few notches. Brolly never went on one of his rants unlike when Spillane is around. Any thoughts on why Gooch was 100% positive in everything he had to say about Dublin? It felt a bit fake, because any team that concedes 1-17 surely has issues....
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Post by buck02 on Jul 20, 2017 13:26:56 GMT
The boat ferries across the Lee were great till one sank one year about twenty years ago I suppose that was Franks fault? Or was it raining?
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Post by delorean on Jul 20, 2017 14:18:50 GMT
Any thoughts on why Gooch was 100% positive in everything he had to say about Dublin? It felt a bit fake, because any team that concedes 1-17 surely has issues.... The whole panel seemed to ignore this obvious truth actually. If Dublin concede 1-17 to Tyrone or Kerry, they'll be doing very well to win. They knew they didn't have to be watertight the last day though to be fair. Cooper is very diplomatic but maybe that's no harm to dilute a panel that thrive on over the top criticism and drama. He asked if Roscommon are in bonus territory and answered it himself with "maybe they are". I had to chuckle a little bit, bonus territory is an understatement, but he really doesn't want to upset anybody.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 20, 2017 17:53:17 GMT
Any thoughts on why Gooch was 100% positive in everything he had to say about Dublin? It felt a bit fake, because any team that concedes 1-17 surely has issues.... The whole panel seemed to ignore this obvious truth actually. If Dublin concede 1-17 to Tyrone or Kerry, they'll be doing very well to win. They knew they didn't have to be watertight the last day though to be fair. Cooper is very diplomatic but maybe that's no harm to dilute a panel that thrive on over the top criticism and drama. He asked if Roscommon are in bonus territory and answered it himself with "maybe they are". I had to chuckle a little bit, bonus territory is an understatement, but he really doesn't want to upset anybody. I don't know how Gooch can sit in a box next to Brolly, full stop. If it was Jack in the box or Bosco that would be a fine thing.
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Post by smokey on Jul 20, 2017 21:06:40 GMT
Kerry v Dublin the 1985 All Ireland final is on Eir Sport 1 at the moment, if anyone is interested.It's nearly half time.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 20, 2017 21:48:52 GMT
Watched that final from the old Canal end, big first half from Jacko, scored 1-03 from midfield into the Hill if I'm remembering correctly.
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Post by glengael on Jul 21, 2017 16:47:46 GMT
The boat ferries across the Lee were great till one sank one year about twenty years ago I suppose that was Franks fault? Or was it raining? The parking/access issues have been apparent since day 1. There's been a lack of forward planning in not trying to buy/get the use of some land either in the vicinity of Pairc Ui Chaoimh (Dunlop site/Fords etc) or develop a park and ride system for match and concert days. Developers like the late Owen O'Callaghan pumped millions in city centre developments and had plans for places like Horgan's Quay. A business savvy County Board would have got a developer onside a long time ago and tried to improve the infrastructure at some stage, rather then eventually just rebuilding the stadium. They were quick enough to buy Flower Lodge back in the day but that was it.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 23, 2017 22:52:32 GMT
Was at the Waterford in the Pairc today. Have to say the stadium is very impressive. Even though I know Fitzgerald stadium only got a revamp a few years ago this place looks light years ahead.
Then again Kerry can't sell corporate boxes etc as we don't get the games or events this fill them. Be interesting to see how much use the place gets over the next few years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 6:23:30 GMT
I would say the money spent relative to Fitzgerald stadium is also light years ahead and you could throw currans into it as well.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 24, 2017 6:49:32 GMT
Kerry v Dublin the 1985 All Ireland final is on Eir Sport 1 at the moment, if anyone is interested.It's nearly half time. Charlie Nelligan's "tackle" on Joe McNally when he scored the second goal was interesting. Neither the ref nor Ger Canning were concerned though, so that was ok, and Joe didn't lie down (probably afraid Paidi would belt him again, or maybe Mick Holden ). I wonder how it might have been if Dublin hadn't won that crazy All-I in 83, it sort of teed them up for Kerry's Golden Generation lap of honour years.
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Post by homerj on Jul 24, 2017 9:19:59 GMT
Was at the Waterford in the Pairc today. Have to say the stadium is very impressive. Even though I know Fitzgerald stadium only got a revamp a few years ago this place looks light years ahead. considering cork spent about €70million and Killarney about €3m, youd bloody well hope so! be interesting to see what happens if/when Ireland get the RWC 2023 in terms of development of Killarney. it would need serious serious investment - toilets, seating behind the goals, stand would probably be knocked and one similiar to PUC built. in that sense, when you compare Killarney to alot of the other grounds, its miles behind.
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Post by southward on Jul 24, 2017 13:42:43 GMT
Sure how often is Killarney even half-filled - once every two years on average? Maybe a super-eight game going forward but that will only be one a year. And even if the RWC does come to Kerry, it's a once-off and we'd just as likely get Canada v Georgia or something.
Hardly worth investing a fortune in imo. If there's money to be spent on Killarney, I'd sooner see it go towards sorting out the matchday traffic, if that's even possible.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 24, 2017 13:59:20 GMT
Kerry v Dublin the 1985 All Ireland final is on Eir Sport 1 at the moment, if anyone is interested.It's nearly half time. It's a great series from Eir Sport.
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